AC V has left a new comment on your post "Intrepid WELS Members and Pastors Supporting Justi...":
Here is the crux of the UOJ issue as correctly confessed by Kurt Marquart in a post by David Jay Webber on Intrepids:
"No one actually has forgiveness unless and until he receives it by faith."
UOJ-ers say "you have forgiveness whether you believe it or not."
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GJ - I will be more impressed when Webber and Rolf Preus repudiate the universal declaration of forgiveness that has fueled their endless posts in the past. That may be touchy business with Shrinker in-laws and outlaws in the extended family.
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And now the big question: Why should any of us care about teaching the doctrine of Justification correctly?
Answer: Because if you teach that Justification means all people have been forgiven whether they believe it or not, then "all people" will not see the need to receive Word and Sacrament, the only means by which God offers and gives forgiveness.
This false teaching of UOJ is (one of the reasons) why attendance at services is down in our churches. Worse, it is why anti-liturgical (liturgical = Word and Sacrament) worship practices have crept in to Lutheranism.
Worse than worse, UOJ leads to Universalism and a denial of the faith.
Yes, Dr. Jackson, THAT will be the day. The trickery of vehement UOJ adherents like Webber always plays out the same. It may be referred to as Diaprax (can you repost that link about Diaprax by Church Campanologist?)
AC V, try this: Ask the Intrepids to declare Kokomo and the Sig Becker UOJ essay to be Anathema and see what happens. They will dance around forever and never give a definitive condemnation of ANY thing previous blessed by Madame WELS. None of the Intrepids want to risk being Krohned.
By the way "Krohned" is my latest submission to the Ichaslang Lexicon. Hope you don't mind, Joe.
I don't mind...file it under 'K' next to Kelmed and Kilcreased. :)
Webber just couldn't help himself:
By the way, I do not concede that the "objective" side of justification is not taught in the Confessions. With the understanding that forgiveness and justification are essentially synonymous in meaning, the quotation from St. Ambrose quoted approvingly in Apology IV:103 teaches it most clearly.
Stop the dichotomy already. There is one Justification and it is by Faith Alone.
The main reason everyone should weight in on the doctrine of UOJ is that it is a new and different gospel than the Gospel declared in Scripture and clearly and fully addressed in the BOC.
Nothing else needs to proceed from the false gospel of UOJ to further the separation of those who confess it from Christ and the forgiveness of sins that comes, by grace, through faith in Him alone. The fact that all manner of abhorent doctrines, behaviors and contradictions eminate from this doctrinal dung heap is simply part and parcel of it's essence and it's war on Christ and His Church.
In Christ,
Brett Meyer
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