Wednesday, June 22, 2011

Dr. Lito Cruz on Predestination.
Chemnitz Delivers the Conclusion

This is one of the most eloquent statements in the Book of Concord.




I have studied some bits of predestination when I was a Charismaniac and turned Calvinist. I came with the conclusion that if I were to be a Calvinist, the only logical position is to be SupraLapsarian. Praise God I got delivered from Calvinism.

At any rate, today I reason that surely I must grant that if God knows everything, then surely God knew that I would believe when he presents the Gospel to me. I said, surely that must be granted. This is not being an Arminian, it stands to reason that if God foreknew, he knew everything beforehand including my standing up and sitting down, that includes my faith. The authors seems to argue for a neither Arminian nor Calvinistic understanding of predestination - hence, a Lutheran view.

The question is this -   did God predestine us based on the foreknowledge of that faith? I have no Biblical data for this yet and I am of course very happy to learn. However, I now must grant the point that God knew my faith, nevertheless. Yet Calvinist do not put any weight to this. That is why when taken to final conclusion, you cannot distinguish God from Allah under those terms.

Calvinistic universalism goes like this - since God is Sovereign and since he wants all to be saved, his Sovereignty is never thwarted and so all will be saved.

When I read the articulation of Missouri based on the book Errors of Missouri, I have no doubts that Walther and Co have fallen into the Calvinist paradigm. Which is why I chuckle why they are allergic to Calvinists when in fact Calvinists would be happy at their articulation of predestination!!!

Glende's scholarship has nothing to offer, he simply says "ooh, Schmidt and Stellenhorn etc  believe in intuitu fidei". He assumes by default it is wrong and he does not deal with the arguments of the authors. He offers no counter arguments and no counter data. The argument used is band wagon. What he can do is to get the best argument from anti-Missouris  and shoot it down from Scripture but we do not see that in his posts. The teacher in me can not help but mark his posts down. 

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GJ - Calvinism easily passes into Universalism, as Lito observed. Karl Barth, the main theologian for Fuller Seminary, advocated Universalism in his Dogmatics. Actually, Barth's hawt mistress did most the writing.

UOJ is cowardly Universalism. If the Little Three keep promoting it, they will produce Universalists and atheists for the next generation. They already have. I know several key WELS Shrinkers who either open, loud atheists or pan-religionists.

The UOJ Advocates are Shrinkers, and the Shrinkers slaver over UOJ - Valleskey, Glende, Bivens, et al.

AC V on Luther's Romans Commentary.
Do You Believe Your Sect or Your Lying Eyes?

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AC V has left a new comment on your post "AC V - Grabbing St. Paul by the Shoulders, Teachin...":

Luther's commentary on Romans 3 (Nota bene: no "all" clarification of Paul's "intended meaning"):

"That is why faith alone makes someone just and fulfills the law; faith it is that brings the Holy Spirit through the merits of Christ. The Spirit, in turn, renders the heart glad and free, as the law demands. Then good works proceed from faith itself. That is what Paul means in chapter 3 when, after he has thrown out the works of the law, he sounds as though the wants to abolish the law by faith. No, he says, we uphold the law through faith, i.e. we fulfill it through faith."

AC V has left a new comment on your post "AC V - Grabbing St. Paul by the Shoulders, Teachin...":

I would like to add Luther's commentary on Romans 5, key to understanding that vv. 18-19 esp. do not teach UOJ:

"Next St. Paul makes a digression, a pleasant little side-trip, and relates where both sin and justice, death and life come from. He opposes these two: Adam and Christ. What he wants to say is that Christ, a second Adam, had to come in order to make us heirs of his justice through a new spiritual birth in faith, just as the old Adam made us heirs of sin through the old fleshy birth.

St. Paul proves, by this reasoning, that a person cannot help himself by his works to get from sin to justice any more than he can prevent his own physical birth. St. Paul also proves that the divine law, which should have been well-suited, if anything was, for helping people to obtain justice, not only was no help at all when it did come, but it even increased sin. Evil human nature, consequently, becomes more hostile to it; the more the law forbids it to indulge its own desires, the more it wants to. Thus the law makes Christ all the more necessary and demands more grace to help human nature."

The Basics of the Christian Faith.
Misleading for Future Sausage Factory Graduates


Best Bible Translation
First of all, people need an accurate Bible translation. For years, WELS Leftists have bewitched people with the union NIV. The same apostates now want to force the New NIV on everyone, a translation simply loaded with political and anti-Christian views (such as Adam as a myth and feminazi language).


The KJV has direct lineage from Luther. Tyndale was burned at the stake for producing the first all-English translation from the original languages, a prodigious feat. Luther's Bible is called the uncle of the English Bible. Luther's influence upon Tyndale is traced in this website.

Without a good Bible, people are led into the wilderness of Enthusiasm, because the bad translations are inaccurate, political, and anti-Sacramental. They also eliminate many verses from the New Testament, based on theories less substantial than the Area 51 landings.

The Little Three have completely failed in Biblical leadership, for promoting substandard, erroneous, and misleading translations, abandoning the Nephew of Luther's Bible, the KJV.

The Little Three could easily use the KJV 21 or another modern version of the KJV. I still prefer the KJV and can easily explain unusual wordings like "our conversation is in heaven."

The Efficacy of the Word
The Scriptures reveal the efficacy of the Word. Isaiah 55:8-11 clearly teaches that God's Word always contains the divine power and purpose of the Holy Spirit. This constant association of the Holy Spirit and the Word gives us certainty about God's will and actions.




KJV Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to
the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Doubting Efficacy Is Anti-Biblical, Anti-Lutheran
Doubting the efficacy of the Word is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, showing an antagonism toward the Scriptures and Lutheran doctrine. Luther consistently taught the efficacy of the Word because he was a faithful exegete throughout his ministry.

KJV 1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.




The explosion of methods, programs, plans, surveys, statistics, and entertainment can be linked to a lack of trust in God's Word. For that reason, clergy plan instead of preaching. They rely on pre-digested materials instead of teaching on the basis of their own study of the Word. They do not take the Gospel to their own shut-in members, let alone the unbelievers and spiritually inert.

The Gospel
The entire Bible, says Luther, is a sermon about Jesus. The Gospel not only includes Christ dying for the sins of the world, but all promises and blessings from God.

The primary preaching of the Law is to show people this sin - that they do not utterly trust in Christ for their forgiveness.

KJV John 16:8 And when He [the Holy Spirit] is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on Me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see Me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

KJV John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Thus the Gospel plants and sustains faith in the hearts of those who hear it. God creates and sustains this faith through His Gospel and declares us forgiven - justification by faith.



The Visible Word
Holy Baptism and Holy Communion are the Gospel in visible form, always efficacious. For that reason we should always uphold the blessing of infant baptism and teach against those Baptists and Pentecostals who denounce it as heresy.

Likewise, Holy Communion must be closed and offered frequently to demonstrate the significance of the Word in saving and condemning.



Pastoral Work in the Word
The pastor has no other calling than to preach his own sermons, based on his own study. He should offer the Sacraments without hesitation or shame, and to take Word out on visits to shut-ins, the hospitalized, the grieving, and the spiritually indolent.

Luther and the Book of Concord
Ankle-biters like to go over minor conflicts from the last century, so they can spend a few more months pounding an issue rather than teaching the Gospel. If they spent time with the sermons of Luther and the Book of Concord, they would have something to teach.



The study of Luther's doctrine has been in complete collapse for decades, with all the synod leaders (Big Four) spending their time with the Enthusiasts at Fuller Seminary, Willow Creek, Mars Hill, Trinity Divinity, Granger, North Point, Sweet, and worse.

If a pastor or pastoral candidate understands the efficacy of the Word, he will make that the foundation of all he does, excluding:
  1. Most living authors.
  2. Synodical position papers, essays, and other trivia.
  3. Sermonic books.

Given the Biblical teaching of the efficacy of the Word in the Means of Grace, there can be no forgiveness apart from that faith created by the Gospel.

    One Reader, Known Only as 29A,
    Responds to the Glende Gang:
    No UOJ in WELS Gausewitz Catechism



    What in the world is wrong with these guys?

    Why attack his deceased daughters or wife and then say that he has brain cancer.

    Guys you need to stick with the debate about faith based on the Word and our Lutheran confessions.

    This election controversy of the late 1800's has nothing to do with what Greg Jackson is posting about your idiotic UOJ.

    By the way guys I am WELS and I was confirmed in WELS with the Gausewitz catechism and NO where in that catechism is there a mention about objective or subjective justification.

    29a

    Please post this on ichabod


    Bored Offers a Trenchant Analysis of the Issues.
    Mrs. Ichabod and I Enjoyed Every Word of It


    bored has left a new comment on your post "Timmy Learns To Spell. WELS Church Lady Smacks Him...":

    The birth of In too eetoo feed ace and UOJ came from too many little people asking too many big questions. The simple fact that Justification comes to man by Faith, and that Faith comes to man by the means of Grace is quite easy to glean from nearly any section of the new testament.

    I'm starting to think that UOJ and others, (or even trying to understand/discuss election) are ways that theologians seek to make complex thought necessary for salvation at the expense of simple belief. As intelligent as most theologians were, I guess that most were unsatisfied with leaving the conversation with belief. I'll bet every heresy came from over-thinking, as people try to make Scripture congruent with logic.

    But ya know, I don't find that with Luther. I haven't sampled a wide variety of theologians, but of the ones I have read, Luther is by far the most readable by the widest audience. He is the opposite of shallow, but you find no thought puzzles and no mind-bending rhetoric that you find in others, even in his students.

    Why? Because God used him to unencumber the Word. Luther was used to remind the world of the Gospel's simplicity. The UOJers fight against JBFA with the same spirit as the Romans fought Luther. To them it is blasphemous to dismantle their clever little puzzle--their logic powered canon.

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    GJ - This is all so true. I also give Chemnitz and Melanchthon very high scores in being readable and relevant. Chemnitz also had Luther's sense of humor. However, no one can touch Luther in plain writing with a powerful impact.

    I have had many years among academic theologians, some of them on the far extreme of intelligence and study. Nevertheless, they play the same top dog games Bored eviscerates with such skill. They play around with narrow topics that few can discuss with them, sometimes stepping in it themselves.

    Stan Hauerwas is the best known theologian today. In class, looking at me, he said, "Lutherans are not very good on sanctification."

    I added, "Or sanctimony."

    Timmy Learns To Spell.
    Someone Faked A Church Lady Post.
    Do We Follow the Reformer or the Kidnapper?



    Wednesday, June 22, 2011


    The Essence of the Election Controversy

    Dr. Gregory L. Jackson on his blog, Ichabod the Glory Has Departed, has thrown his lot in with Schmid, Allwardt, Schmidt and Stellhorn when it comes to the 19th Century election controversy in the Synodical Conference. Jackson can spout all he wants about justification by faith, but when he sides with the intuitu fidei crowd, he negates everything the Confessions say about faith. The “in view of faith” group that left the Synodical Conference and pulled the Ohio Synod away and caused the Norwegians to depart for a time essentially denied sola gratia—by grace alone.

    There are two ways to view our election or predestination in Christ and its relationship to faith:

    1. The intuitu fidei group taught that God chose his elect when he could look ahead into the future and see who would have faith. This teaching would tell us that our faith in time is the cause of our election in eternity. The essential reason for our salvation is then found within ourselves, and not in Christ and his atoning work. This is the synergism Lenski was guilty of, since he was a follower of the Ohio Synod train of thought.

    2. The Synodical Conference, with its theologians Walther, Hoenecke, Stoeckhardt, Pieper and others, taught on the basis of Holy Scripture that our election in Christ in eternity is the cause of our faith. Let’s put that another way: Our faith in time is the result of our election in eternity. Sola Gratia!

    The spiritual descendants of those who taught intuitu fidei are now found in the ELCA. We don’t believe it is a coincidence.

    Dr. Jackson, do you believe that our faith here in time is the cause of our election in eternity, or the result?

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    This was faked and not from the WELS Church Lady
    But if election doesn't come in view of faith, then there isn't any justification by faith. I think I know what you're saying. You're a UOJ storm trooper and you want salvation to come apart from faith by election. Dr. Jackson has well informed us all about these tricks. It's Calvinism and Pietism. And I'm not falling for it. I believe in the Bible and what Martin Luther taught.


    Fake Signature

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    GJ - I posted information about intuitu fidei because people like to look up background material. Linking articles is not the same as promoting a dogma. For example, I have linked lots of UOJ essays. Am I promoting UOJ? Jungkuntz? Valleskey? Tim accused me of promoting Deutschlander for linking his professor's Theology of the Cross book. Perhaps he was still feeling guilty for skipping the Deutschlander presentation in Atlanta so he could worship with Andy Stanley and the Babtists at Drive.

    Tim is doing everyone a favor by showing the uncritical thinking of WELS clergy, especially the Changers. As various ELS members have noted, they see heresies all over the place, but never under their own noses. (Deputy Doug - take note.)

    Glende seems to be confusing justification by faith with intuitu fidei, which is lodged in a Pietistic group now, as one of my sources pointed out (A. Nonny Moose, aka Anonymoose). The concept has never fizzed on me, never been a controversy, a conflict, an issue, or anything else.

    I feel sorry for the members (and ex-members) of St. Peter, Freedom and The CORE. The clergy-persons do not comprehend Lutheran doctrine. They are cowardly bullies who cannot even spell their accusations correctly. When their ignorance is exposed and quoted, they feel insulted.

    False accusations are insulting. Tim, you really need to talk with a synod lawyer about what you are publishing. You, your parish, your district, and your synod are liable for what you post. Not having your name on the blog is not the same as being truly anonymous. Google Blogger has all your information.

    Tim, you seem to be irrationally angry. You have pictured laity eating cat feces from a toilet and you named them. They disagree with you and that is the result? Are there no limits? Have you no shame?

    I can live with your weirdness, because I provoke you on purpose. That is the point of polemical writing. But the people you attack, including your own member, are mild and soft-spoken. There is no excuse for what you have done. That brings shame to all pastors, to all Lutherans.

    I have to ask Deputy Doug Englebrecht and SP Schroeder - why is nothing done?

    The Dog Returns To His Vomit -
    Tim Glende Gang at Work

    KJV 2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
    than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
    22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb,
    The dog is turned to his own vomit again;
    and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.



    Anonymous said...
    The problem with Jackson is several fold. First, he's probably mentally ill and should have sought therapy after the death of his daughters. On this level my heart goes out to him and his wife. Secondly, his intellectually capacities have failed because of brain cancer. This is probably the reason why none of his statements about uoj make a bit of sense. Intellectually, he's probably suffered significant decline- which again is not his fault and I feel very bad for. Thirdly, he's about as close to a cult leader as you can get in Lutheranism. He enjoys the power he has over his flock. His flock are very gullible for several reasons. First, lacking much theological education (Brett Meyer isn't even apparently away  (sic) that different Lutheran Confessional documents list different numbers of sacraments!) Jackson seems impressive to them. If you do have a theological education (even from the sausage factory like myself!), then he comes off as having a half knowledge of a lot of things. I love it when he talks about modern theology (Tillich, Barth, Bonhoeffer, etc.). He just makes things up out of thin air- like that Bonhoeffer was secretly a Nazi. Secondly, because of their intellectual limitations and their correct instinct that something is wrong in the Lutheran house, Jackson seems to have the answer. Jackson's answer is that everything can be explained by his bogus argument about UOJ. He draws out the supposed implications of the doctrine (which he misunderstands and which he works into propositions which no one actually teaches) and then gives them an explanatory model that explains everything they think is wrong from the Church-Growth movement to whatever other make-believe problems that Jackson comes up with. Because they think Jackson is smart, they then feel smart by agreeing with him. Much of what he says is counter-intuitive and illogical, but it makes them feel like they're in the know (kind of like the ancient Gnostics) and everyone else is a blind fool. When people try to say to them things like "Oh, I see, you misunderstand UOJ, it's not universalism-though I see how you can make that mistake" they never offer any real counter arguments. They just cut-and-paste Bible and confessional quotation  (sic)  (which often times have nothing to do with argument) and then start insulting you. Then Jackson comes in and tellings (sic) them what a good job they did refuting the argument and they feel good about themselves- because it he's smart, then you're smart! That's why I think arguing with them is a bad idea. It just reinforces their Gnostic conceit that they're in the know and that they're smarter than you. So I'd just leave them alone. If I were you, I'd just shut down this blog. It just makes things worse.
    June 21, 2011 5:22 AM



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    GJ - According to Glende's genius friend, I have brain cancer. I should tell my physician, who would interested to know how an illiterate parson can practice medicine anonymously over the Net.

    Naturally they have to attack me through my sainted daughters, pictured above. I thought Paul Kuske wore that out 20 years ago.

    Confidential to Appleton - real men do not pose with pop tarts and post the photos on their Facebook pages.

    The bees are buzzing because the laity--even the clergy--are catching on to the Appleton Dumbed-Down Gang.

    Church and Change started there, with Witte, Parlow, and others, with WELS offering money. Y'all let it grow and now it runs the entire sect.

    The Synod President is powerless to do anything, he claims. All he can do is keep promoting them into positions of greater influence. The hand of doctrinal discipline is heavy indeed.

    Nothing Funnier Than WELS Clergy Showing Off Their Doctrinal Knowledge


    Tim Glende and his buddy took turns showing off how little they know about Latin, English, and Christian doctrine.

    These buddies display the pathetic lack of knowledge in their sect, from the top down, while trying to show off. Both work anonymously, to maximize denial. But Tim takes a private email and says, "Hey world, I know who the WELS Church Lady is." Antinomians are like that - legalists for everyone else, no rules for their little band of warlocks.

    They can refute any argument by linking their Spirit-anointed WELS Essay Files. Oh, ah. I have never heard anyone else quote them, so the essays must be special. Of course, I have laboriously reproduced the timeless twaddle of UOJ, straight from that same set of essays.

    My ready-to-go database, the legendary Megatron, named after my car battery, has always provided quotations for comparison. For instance, Fuller doctrine versus WELS doctrine - oops, same thing, same words, same definitions, same Enthusiasm. Better - WELS doctrine versus the Book of Concord and classic theologians.

    Now Megatron 4G is providing those good and bad quotations in graphical form, and the quotations are getting around faster than a false story in WELS.

    Glende's bragging reminds me Roger Zehms (WELS divorced ex-pastor) and Paul Kuske (district VP voted out of office, sponsor for Floyd Luther Stolzenburg) discussing doctrine. Zehms said, "Some confuse the exinination of Christ with His humiliation." Both Shrinkers looked at me and smirked as I scowled. The first word is a Latin term for humiliation. They are the same term exactly. They might as well have smirked while saying, "Some confuse water with H20."

    They should have said, "Some confuse the Incarnation with the state of humiliation." That topic is treated in Schaller's Christology, a worthwhile summary of Lutheran orthodoxy.

    I like to bring up WELS doctrinal pratfalls and their butchery of the English language because they want to flog the laity with their superior education. If an unaccredited MDiv from a parochial seminary is worth so much, how much more impressive is another eight years of education from Yale and Notre Dame? Tim's uncle went to Yale, but the Appleton dumbed-down gang denounces me for going to Yale.

    Simply citing a seminary degree and some study of Greek is proof that Glende does not understand Biblical theology. He is not a Roman Catholic priest who is infallible by virtue of agreeing with the Synodical Pope. The Scriptures judge all books, all doctrine, all teachers. "Let not many be teachers." It is far worse to be an ordained false teacher than to be a shunned, ridiculed, excommunicated layman.


    Rev. Dr. Gerhardius-Flacius said...
    I see the last comment really got his goat. He put up another childish response that dodged the question of whether or not he holds the orthodox Lutheran doctrine of predestination. That and he used a Transformers graphic. I'm very impressed. Using children's cartoons from the 80s, instead of actual theological arguments makes me take him all the more seriously. Perhaps he can put up more pictures of Tim Glende with Katy Perry also. Wow, what an indictment! He took a picture with Katy Perry. Also, he took a picture with the Black Eyed Peas! He must be heretical, because he takes pictures with pop stars! Good reasoning! Yes, and thanks for reminding us again that you went to Nortre Dame and Yale. Because when you then go and complain that other people in the WELS have "unionistic degrees" it doesn't sound massively hypocritical or anything. But then Jackson turns around and claims that the WELS educational system is bad. So getting degrees from elsewhere is bad, but getting degrees from WELS is also bad? So where is a person supposed to get a theological degree? Perhaps we can just listen to his infallible voice like his benighted flock!
    June 22, 2011 8:51 AM
    Blogger LutherRocks said...
    Why don't you guys actually show some back bone and sign your name to something? If you believe you are speaking the truth and that you are standing on the pure Word of God, what is there to hide? Joe Krohn

    Artful Dodger - On the Felonious Founder of Faithless Forgiveness



    I don't justify the Walther kidnapping but ...  I knew about it from the time I was at the seminary (1970s).  So there was no attempt to hide that fact then (I think it came up in Zion on the Mississippi.  I also was aware of Stephan's previously being accused of womanizing.  Of course, the assumption was of his innocence.

    I agree though that Stephan was running a small cult.  This is probably the real reason they were wondering about the reality of their calls and church after Stephan left.

    I believe the children wanted to leave with the Saxons so the "kidnapping" was more of assisting runaways than what we would call kidnapping - not that that justifies it.
    A.D.

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    GJ - That would make a good defense - "The kids wanted to go to America, so my brother and I took them from our father's parsonage while he was deathly ill. Sure, we had to hide the children, because the police were trying to get them back. I wanted to be like Jonah, so I hopped the first ship out of town. God vindicated me by sinking the one I would have been on."

    As one sales manager said, "Any excuse will do."

    Southern Babtists Turn Down the NNIV That Mequon Adores


    Southern Baptists ‘cannot commend’ new NIV Bible translation Print E-mail
    By Bob Allen   
    Wednesday, June 15, 2011 
    PHOENIX (ABP) – The Southern Baptist Convention went on record June 15 saying it “cannot commend” the 2011 New International Version Bible translation and its use of gender-neutral language.

    “This is as big as it gets,” said Tim Overton of Halteman Village Baptist Church in Muncie, Ind., who brought his resolution to the floor after a resolutions committee declined to include it in their report. “This is the word of God. The best-selling Bible translation in the United States is now gender neutral.”
    Overton said the NIV retains 75 percent of gender-neutral language included in a Today’s New International Version translation denounced by the Southern Baptist Convention in 2002.

    Russell Moore, a member of the resolutions committee and professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said the committee didn’t feel the same sense of urgency about the new NIV because the translation process was more transparent and there are other translations available that weren’t around in 2002.

    “As Southern Baptists, I don’t think we have the luxury of not speaking to this important issue,” Overton said. “People are buying this translation unaware of what’s happening. We are the anchor of the evangelical world.”

    The resolution expressed “profound disappointment” with NIV publishers Biblica and Zondervan Publishing House for their “inaccurate translation of God’s inspired Scripture.”

    It asked LifeWay Christian Resources, the SBC publishing house, to refuse to sell the translation in its stores and encouraged pastors to make their congregations aware of concerns about the new NIV.  “We cannot commend the 2011 NIV to Southern Baptists or the larger Christian community,” the resolution concluded.

    Tuesday, June 21, 2011

    New Book by Northwestern Publishing House,
    Already Endorsed by Glende's Illiterate Pal


    Dr. Gregory L. Jackson Finally Shows His Hand

    Dr. Gregory Jackson on his blog, Ichabod the Glory Has Departed, has finally revealed what he's all about. On his site he is resurrecting the old inuitu (sic) fidei heresy by promoting the names and works of men such as F.W. Stellhorn and F. A. Schmidt. If our readers are unfamiliar with this controversy that plagued American confessional Lutheranism in the late 1800's, we invite you to read this very thorough and informative paper in the Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary Essay File--

    http://www.wlsessays.net/files/RardinElection.pdf

    This comment is even funnier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anonymous said...
    I noticed this- I have always wondered about this. Of course the inuitu (sic) fidei heresy has always been the logical implication of his rejection of UOJ. But he never really came out and said it.

    Another interesting point: he brings up Gerhard. Of course Gerhard and most of the Lutheran orthodox weren't so orthodox on the question of election. After Leonard Hutter's work, pretty much everyone abandoned the predestination of Luther and the FC in favor of a (sic) inuitu (sic) fidei.

    Jackson generally doesn't know what he's talking about, not only because of his ignorance of anything but Schmid and Lenski, but because he lacks theological nuance and jumps to conclusions a lot- like with his idiotic claim that Robert Preus rejected UOJ before his death or that Bonhoeffer was a Nazi. So, I'm not really certain if he knows that he's actually rejecting the orthodox doctrine of predestination. I suspect he might be unaware that there are difference (sic) between Lutheran theologians in the 16th and 17th century on this question, and has just sort of smattered (???) together a bunch of stuff in his brain about what's the real doctrine is (sic!) without much systematic study. After all, most of his argument involve (sic) the accumulation of lists of citations thrown together as if they (sic) don't actually need any interpretation or context.

    Ah, the blind leading the blind!!

    Keep up the good work. I'll be interested to see if Jackson makes another ex cathedra pronouncement about this post.

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    Anonymous said...
    I guess he did respond. See the post this morning. It's insulting (of my misspelling in a hastily written post). But that's good. When Jackson starts insulting, then you know he has no response and you've won. If you think about it, that's his career. Without much theological research or knowledge, he decided he was smarter than every theologian in the LCA, LCMS, WELS, and whatever. When he was condemned, he just started insulting them and their theological positions with his website. He has no real arguments other than his made up theological critiques, bogus histories, and childish insults. When he can't answer, he just insults. I seen (sic) this in action many times.

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    GJ - Neither one of you can write a short post in lucid English. I seen that many times. Where did you two go to school? Let me guess - the Wisconsin Synod's superior educational system.

    Criminal Foundation of the Missouri Synod.
    Walther Kidnapped His Niece and Nephew,
    Left Germany Fast To Escape Arrest

    Walther's parents had custody of their two grandchildren. Walther kidnapped them and took them to America, after hiding them from the police.


    The patriarch of the Missouri Synod, C. F. W. Walther, left Europe with the police after him. Walther parents were given legal custody of their two grandchildren (Theodor and Maria Schubert), but Walther stole them away from his father's parsonage while his father was gravely ill. Ferdy's brother, another ordained pastor, helped with the criminal enterprise.

    Walther had the children hidden from the police, who began looking for them and issued warrants for Walther's arrest. His future mother-in-law was arrested.

    Walther was scheduled to leave with the Saxons on the ship Amalia, the one that sank with all lives lost. The police intended to arrest him, so he left on the next ship chartered for the group. The children were hidden away and brought later to America.

    Martin Stephan Forum:

    In Germany, Martin Stephan Sr. knew Walther, then a student who was starving himself to death in a form of ascetic pietism. Stephan reassured Walther that to obtain salvation, he did not need to resort to this practice, and saved this young man's life (by Walther's own admission). Walther received counsel more than once thereafter from Dr. Stephan in Germany.

    The "Great Walther," prior to his leaving Germany for the States with the emigration, kidnapped two children, Theodor and Maria Schuber, children of his deceased sister, and in the court appointed guardianship of Walther's own father and mother. Before leaving Germany, Walther evaded warrants for his arrest and changed ships to elude the law, taking the children with him, leaving his father devastated, and as reported by a neighboring pastor, Georg Pleissner:
    "What a faith [Walther], which can separate himself from his parental home with such devilish cunning and dark treason." (As quoted in: In Pursuit of Religious Freedom: Bishop Martin Stephan's Journey, by Philip G. Stephan, Lexington Books, 2008.)

    Before disembarking in New Orleans, Walther's brother and eight others others initiated and signed the investiture of Stephan as Bishop, on January 14, 1839 in the Bay of New Orleans. 

    Today, Walther's actions might gain him a life sentence in prison. They brought great shame to the immigration society, whose leaders either condoned (Stephan) or shared (Vehse) in the crime.

    The Missouri Synod Myth has God moving CFW to another ship, so he could lead Lutherans out of the wilderness.

    Moreover, Walther and the others had to know about Stephan's adultery before they left for America. Stephan was known for being with women late at night, on evening walks and such, with the police very suspicious about his intentions and actions. Even today, a pastor who arranges to be alone with women is going to be fall under suspicion and bring people down.

    My initial reading of In Pursuit of Religious Freedom, by Stephan, has shed light on many aspects of Missouri Synod history and doctrine. Stephan was a cult leader with cult followers. They pledged obedience to him as their bishop-for-life, but Walther suddenly discovered Stephan's adultery soon after they arrived in Missouri.

    Walther took advantage of the confessions of two women to lead a mob to Perry County and get rid of Stephan, taking the mantle of cult leader for himself. The outrageous behavior of Walther has always been known. The facts about deposing Stephan actually penetrated the misty water-color memories of the way we were. People like Robert Preus were known for admitting that Missouri was especially nasty in how it treated leaders.

    Mrs. Ichabod asked, "Why did we not know about the kidnapping before?" The book is new, but many of the facts are not. I offered two possible reasons:
    1. No one really cares about Missouri history or Walther, apart from the LCMS. Someone could be ordained and serve in the LCA with as much knowledge of Walther as most WELS pastors have of Hoenecke.

      Sorry, Missouri - Lutheran history is not all about you.

    2. Anyone who knew a lot about Walther from within Missouri would be eviscerated for telling the truth about him. Hence, there will never be a good analytical biography of Walther unless someone from the outside does it.

    I will post more about Stephan in the future. Some helpful links are below. Pope Paul Without a Call went Medieval on the Stephan family when the book came out.

    Martin Stephan Forum

    The kidnapping, from Philip Stephan's book.

    Paul Sauer's notes on Martin Stephan, followed by sour notes from Paul McCain, MDiv.

    Walther's future mother-in-law
    arrested in connection with the kidnapping.

    Martin Stephan in Wikipedia.

    Tell the truth about us, we trash your family.
    It's the Missouri way.
    Don't get me mad.

    Better Access to The Error of Missouri,
    In Case You Want To Know What You Are Talking About



    bruce-church (http://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Anonymoose Knows Where To Get The Error of Missour...":

    To download "Error of Modern Missouri", one might have better luck going to my Scribd homepage:

    http://www.scribd.com/bruce_church/

    There, right click on the Stellhorn link and select Save Target As.

    The reason Save Target As works better is you are using the FTP protocol and not the HTTP protocol.

    The book can also be found here. This is where I got my PDF from:

    http://www.archive.org/details/errorofmodernmis00scho

    I improved Archive.org's B&W version by filtering out the gray using a graphics program, and that's what I put on Scribd.

    ---

    Dr. Gregory L. Jackson Finally Shows His Hand

    Dr. Gregory Jackson on his blog, Ichabod the Glory Has Departed, has finally revealed what he's all about. On his site he is resurrecting the old inuitu (sic) fidei heresy by promoting the names and works of men such as F.W. Stellhorn and F. A. Schmidt. If our readers are unfamiliar with this controversy that plagued American confessional Lutheranism in the late 1800's, we invite you to read this very thorough and informative paper in the Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary Essay File--

    http://www.wlsessays.net/files/RardinElection.pdf 

    ***

    GJ - Someone needs to teach Tim Glende how to link a URL in Blogger. I had to do it for him. Rardin, Dennis - Little Auschwitz. That rings a bell. Didn't he leave the ministry for cause? Glende's hero. Dennis claims he left the minister due to illness.

    Inuitu fidei - Isn't that the religion of those Eskimo Indians up north? Thanks for the laughs.

    Anonymoose Knows Where To Get The Error of Missouri and Pontoppidan



    Greetings Rev Dr Jackson,

    "The Error of Missouri: It's Inception, Development, and Refutation" is available as an e-book. F.W. Stellhorn wrote the chapter of "The Present Controversy on Predestination"; F.A. Schmidt wrote the chapter on "Intuitu Fidei"; and, part III is "A Testimony Against the False Doctrine of Predestination recently introduced by the Missouri Synod. By Several Former Members of the Missouri Synod." This was translated from the German. The editor was G. H. Schodde of the Columbus Seminary. It was published in 1897 by the Lutheran Book Concern, Columbus Ohio.

    Pontoppidan's Catechism forms the basis for "An Explanation of Luther's Small Catechism," 1988, ed. Warren Olsen & David Rinden, published by Faith and Fellowship Press in Fergus Falls, MN, for the Church of the Lutheran Brethren. It appears to be still in print.

    Blessings

    A. Nonny Moose

    ---

    Here is Stellhorn, and Bruce Church got there first.

    The Walther Cult Still Lives By Its Own Rules

    The LCMS was founded by Loehe, not the kidnapper,
    but why let the facts get in the way of the myth?


    The next accusation will be, "Loehist!" I know almost nothing about him, because his contributions have been wiped clean from the Syn Conference history.

    All I know is that Loehe--who started the synod and invited the Perry Count cult to join--was bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

    The Ruled Norm -
    But No Excuse for Being Creedless and Illiterate


    The Ruling Norm

    A distinction about creeds is useful. The Scriptures are called the ruling norm, norma normans, but the Confessions are called norma normata, the ruled norm. Therefore, nothing trumps the Word of God, not even the precious WELS essay files. No, not even the 1932 Brief Statement, which was the coffin lid for the LCMS.

    The claims about being "a confessional synod" and "having a quia subscription to the Book of Concord" are bogus. The Little Three are not confessional but an incoherent group of dogmas and traditions. If they had a quia subscription to the Book of Concord, the Changers and Shrinkers would be laughed out of the assembly - instead of being honored, promoted, and raised to the levels of professor and administrator. UOJ would not be taught, and ELCA would shunned with the force and venom normally reserved for faithful Lutherans.

    Historical Dodges, Intellectual Laziness
    Two common traits of the Little Three are closely associated: the historical dodge and intellectual laziness.

    The historical dodge is used to avoid the real issues by naming a Syn Conference conflict and identifying an opponent with the wrong position. For example, Church and Ministry is used as an excuse to keep the Little Three apart when they are actually united by fellowship with ELCA, Thrivent, and papalism. They will find their differences slight when the financial collapse gets worse.

    WELS is full of contradictions on that score alone. Because of hyper-congregationalism, whatever the Changers do is their own business and the SPindoktor is powerless. However, due to their papalism, the District Popes can threaten any pastor (except a Changer) with instant expulsion. The same papal powers are enjoyed by Changer pastors, but not by the rest of the clergy. But people will say, because they are mentally indolent, "Do you agree with Missouri or WELS on Church and Ministry?"

    I would be inclined to ask, "Do you even agree with yourself?" - speaking to one pastor at a time.

    Glende, Lenski, Intuitu Fidei, Ohio
    Tim Glende is an prime example of the dangers of in-breeding, where the worst characteristic come out and dominate. He is an example of educational inbreeding, not biological inbreeding.

    The people in higher education find it dangerous to grant graduate degrees and ask all their recent graduates to stay and teach future graduates. Denominations do that very thing, so we call their education parochial, which is synonymous with bigotry, self-righteousness, and mental stupor. Some Sausage Factory students call Mequon a graduate school.

    One former WELS member was completely frustrated with the products of Mequon. He was an aerospace engineer who worked on top secret projects for the military, but WELS pastors talked down to him about science. When he asked questions about the proposed WELS hymnal, he was excommunicated with his entire family.

    Tim Glende simply repeats what others in WELS repeat, whether they are professors, pastors, or synod officials:
    1. Lenski is bad, because he pokes holes in their Kokomo dogma. In fact, if they ever read Lenski, they could find passages that seem harmonious with their peculiar ideas.
    2. Justification by faith is the intuitu fidei heresy, a really cool term to use, because most laity are baffled by it.
    3. Justification by faith is the Ohio position, when they broke with the infallible Missouri Synod.
    These excuses keep them all from studying the Word or the Confessions. Intuitu fidei is often explained as "saved in view of faith." Apparently, the original formulation was "saved in view of the merits of Christ, apprehended by faith." That was supposedly stated by Gerhard but truncated in a catechism (Pontoppidan's) that no one uses now. The Ohio Conference split from Walther's franchise may have come from the personality cult of the Missourians versus a difference in approach by the others. There is an out of print book on this, with a delicious title - The Errors of Missouri. I once owned it and need to buy it again. The book gives the Ohio perspective. Polemics are fun, especially when they are published in that era, so many obscure and forgotten statements can be studied.

    Some of you never heard of Pontoppidan until today. That is how it works. Now you can glare at pastors and say, "Do you mean to say you agree with Pontoppidan?"

    Valleskey called me a legalist, behind my back, in a conversation with Guy Purdue. But Valleskey flattered me in his odious Church Growth essay (see Romans 16:18) and lied to my face about going to Fuller Seminary. His buddy Frosty Bivens admitted going to Fuller, but later denied it three times at Mequon. That is the UOJ talking - double-justification leading to double-talk and two-faced leadership. If people can be lied into the Kingdom of God, WELS has reason to boast.

    These historical skirmishes are not especially edifying, because few people know all the details. Note well that they are Syn Conference oddities, studied or yakked about because the Syn Conference was the ultimate in Lutheran orthodoxy, they imagine.

    If legalism is opposition to the Church Growth Movement from Fuller Seminary, then Valleskey was not only a deceiver but also a false prophet, elected to the seminary presidency to promote the Shrinker agenda. He did well. The seminary spent millions on its buildings and shrank faster than woolens in a dryer. Church Growth grew, but nothing else. Mequon has even considered selling its deluxe property. The ideas are in the synod's secret file, labeled bazingo.

    I agree with Gerhard's original statement, if I have that right. I have not found UOJ in Gerhard, and I have read some of his best work. He labored with Chemnitz, so I think the Second Martin would have head-slapped him for departing from the Faith.

    I never read Pontoppidan, and I doubt anyone else has. I wonder about people who have such a love for universal forgiveness (without the Means of Grace) combined with a great loathing for the word faith. As one layman said, "They denounce decision theology and end up repeating the dogma of decision theology: here is UOJ, now make a decision." They are more Evangelical than Jesus, forgiving everyone (except UOJ opponents). They are more Babtist than the Babtists.



    If we start with Walther as the gold standard, then everyone else is a heretic. He joined the cult of a known adulterer, Stephan. Walther was so messed up emotionally that he was starving himself to death, trying to find forgiveness. Stephan, a product of Halle, saved his life, Walther admitted.

    Walther escaped Germany as a felon, for kidnapping two children. He did not have custody of the children, but stole them away. The police were looking for him, to arrest him. He hid out on another ship. The police looked for Walther on the wrong ship, so he got away. The ship he was destined to sail on sank, so that story has always been that God spared his life in a miraculous way.

    Like the others, Walther pledged obedience to their bishop-for-life, but suddenly discovered Stephan's open adultery once in the Promised Land (not too far from where I live), Perry County, Missouri. Walther trashed Stephan, exiled him, stole property from him, and took over the cult. Later, Missouri used a similar approach with Loehe, who started the synod and invited the Perry County cult to join. Loehe is used as a curse word among the Bronze Age Missourians (Otten, etc).

    This is a good time to practice the glare. "Do you agree with Loehe?" Scowl while waiting for an answer. That will make you orthodox in certain select circles.

    Glende trots out the Ohio Conference business, as if he actually studied it, repeating the talking points used to shore up Kokomo Justification. I could say, "He is just a product of his poor education," but that is not true. Anyone can study the Word and the Book of Concord. Anyone can buy the set of Luther's Sermons and find the best exegesis as a guide. I have read thousands of pages of Luther out loud to Mrs. Ichabod, including the entire Galatians commentary. We found that experience edifying and enlightening.

    I find it odd that people who never talk to me will say, "He agrees with the Ohio Conference." I do not know enough about that fight to say, so I am astonished that they can read the vacant space in my mind, the one marked - to be studied later.

    I begin with the Scriptures and the Confessions, plus Chemnitz and Chytraeus.

    "The real question is not what do you subscribe, but what do you believe and publicly teach, and what are you transmitting to those who come after? If it is the complete Lutheran faith and practice, the name and number of the standards is less important. If it is not, the burden of proof rests upon you to show that your more incomplete standard does not indicate an incomplete Lutheran faith."
    Theodore E. Schmauk and C. Theodore Benze, The Confessional Principle and the Confessions, as Embodying the Evangelical Confession of the Christian Church,
    Philadelphia: 1911, p. 890.



    Something similar can be found in the 1932 Brief Statement, but I wanted to post a quotation that would shock and appall the Appleton Dumpling Gang. Glende and his FB friend, Don Patterson, have already excommunicated more people than Walther did in his entire ministry. Their motto must be, "Sin more, that grace may abound."

    They are more Evangelical than Jesus, until someone asks questions.

    Monday, June 20, 2011

    Tim Glende Copies Other Enthusiasts To Prove UOJ,
    Cannot Defend His Own Position


    Anonymous said...
    Okay, well, I understand your viewpoint. I disagree, and I will tell you why, but I hope you publish this on your blog with refutation. I am not a theologian, but an attorney, so I must address your arguments in my way. I read those papers you suggested awhile ago, but I think they are very poorly written and as such, unhelpful. Mixed metaphors, split infinitives, and a perpetual comma happy-hour confuse even the confused. I don't fault you for suggesting them, but... I hope you be amenable to the discussion without sig becker quotes. You are using several Bible verses in isolation to prove a preconceived idea. Now, any student knows that this approach (to any topic) must be held in a critical light. To understand a concept you must read things in context. You can prove anything in the world provided you offer a narrow enough scope. Upon rereading Romans, particularly chapters 4 moving into 5 you do not find one shred of suggestion that any substantive change happens to a man apart from faith. Faith is not, as you insist, the thing that appeases God. God demands righteousness. Christ, and faith in him is the way that God makes it possible for a man to become righteous. I'm not going to judge your heart, but the words you use make it seem like you're making a god out of faith. The cherry, my friend, is righteousness, not faith. Faith is God's chosen vehicle for delivering righteousness. What I hear you saying is that man's overarching lack is faith. Please show me Scriptural evidence (not using verses in isolation) which describes man's problem as faithlessness. No rather, all throughout the Old and New Testament we find the Apostles preaching that humanity's fundamental problem is a lack of righteousness. Our sin is what separates us from the Father. God could've chosen 6000 different ways for man to regain this right standing with him, but he chose to send his Son, and made faith the vehicle for receiving the righteousness that Christ achieved. Objective Justification makes God an unjust lying demon and I would not worship him, if that's who I thought he was. How evil and pathetic would some so-called god be who tells us he damns us for failing to be perfect throughout the entire Old Testament, but then as soon as Jesus shows up, moves the goalpost? Now, post-Jesus, righteousness is not the object, but faith is. Everyone is now righteous, according to you, and now we need to get this Pick 'n Save card (faith) so that we can access heaven--even though, when Abraham lived, righteousness was the key to heaven. If that is who the god of the Bible is then I would spit in his face like the Roman soldiers. Don't you think it's a bit presumptuous to suggest that God would damn someone for something OTHER than breaking his holy law? I really hope that isn't what you're saying, but it sort of sounds like it. God damns man for his failure to keep his Law, not for his lack of faith. (now, it turns out that without faith it is impossible to keep the law. But faith is not the object. Christ's obedience and righteousness is credited to those in whom faith has been created. It's only through the Word and Sacrament that a man receives Christ as his substitute. You have been deceived. ---Tom Wyeth
    June 20, 2011 12:54 PM
    Blogger Real Ichabod said...
    Tom, we're not going to debate you further on this topic. We have stated clear Scripture and shared the links to a number of well written papers. We're sorry if you don't agree and misunderstand where we're coming from.

    Gratuitious kitteh photo

    Pastor Paul Youndahl, Son of Reuben, Just Died.
    13,000 Members at Mt. Olivet

    Youngdahl, Pastor Of Largest ELCA Church In Nation, Dies


    (credit: Mount Olivet Lutheran Church)
    (credit: Mount Olivet Lutheran Church)
    ,
    MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) – Paul M. Youngdahl, the senior pastor of Mount Olivet Lutheran Church in Minneapolis, passed away on Monday, according to the church.

    A message was posted on the church’s website saying the Youngdahl has ”entered the joy of eternal life.”

    “He will be remembered as one of Mount Olivet’s greatest treasures for his leadership, his commitment and service to God’s family, and for his never-ending love of the Lord.  We will miss him dearly and extend our condolences to you, his beloved church family,” the statement said on the church’s homepage.

    Youngdahl has been senior pastor at Mount Olivet since 1974 where his father, Reverend Reuben Youngdahl, was previously a senior pastor from 1938 to 1968.

    The church has 13,000-plus members which makes it one of the largest ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Churches of America) churches in the nation.

    Youngdahl is survived by his wife Nancy and three children Aaron, Peter and Kristi.


    ***

    GJ - His father was a legend in the Augustana Synod. The story I heard was that Reuben was given this relatively small church, with 250 members, to get rid of him. When he died relatively young, Mt. Olivet had 10,000 members.

    Most whale congregations fade away in time. Or, as LI observed, plum calls turn into prunes.

    Time Magazine recognized Reuben here:

    "The most outstanding young man in Minneapolis for 1944" turned out to be blond, strapping (6 ft. 2 in.; 205 Ibs.) Rev. Reuben Youngdahl, 33. His outstanding job: in only seven years he converted Mount Olivet Lutheran Church from a debt-ridden institution of 200 members into a booming 2,500-member parish.

    Last week Mount Olivet, now the second biggest church in the Augustana Lutheran Synod, celebrated its 25th anniversary. The congregation had already outgrown its new $50,000 church. Pastor Youngdahl was holding three identical services every Sunday, each overflowing the 465 seats and jamming the church to the doors. To meet the rush, he planned to split $400,000 between a new postwar church building and a Sunday school, youth center and gymnasium.

    Reuben Youngdahl, son of a Swedish grocer, took unorthodox risks to perform this transformation. He first plunged the church deeper into debt in order to build in a better part of town. Then he set out after new members. He told his parishioners that he believes that church member ship is a "seven-day-a-week proposition"; if they wanted to belong, they would have to keep busy. They do—in thirteen women's and social clubs, four youth groups, two missionary societies, a day nursery.

    Pastor Youngdahl is no sawdust-trail evangelist. Quiet, forceful, hardworking, he preaches ten-to-twelve-minute sermons, studded with human-interest stories which relate Christian truths to modern living. He believes no minister need be a ranter: "I've got something to sell. The greatest thing in the world. Christianity works."

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,792131,00.html#ixzz1Ps5KAnjz

    ---

    Reuben Youngdahl ’31 Inducted 1978
    Basketball and Football
    Reuben Youngdahl

    Reuben Youngdahl '31 earned six letters in basketball and football at Gustavus and was placed unanimously on every All-State team in basketball as a junior and senior, He was the league's high scorer as a senior with 117 points in ten games. Reub led the All-State team to victory in 1931 when they played the Carleton Victory Five in a post season game in the Minneapolis auditorium.

    He received his B.D. from Augustana Theological Seminary in 1934 and at his first call in Marshalltown, Ia, he helped support himself by playing professional basketball. He became pastor of Mt. Olivet Lutheran Church in Minneapolis in 1938 and during his tenure the congregation grew from 300 to more than 10,000 members. He traveled internationally, spoke to a wide audience through his radio and television programs and wrote 13 books.

    Reuben Youngdahl died on March 2, 1968.

    ---

    Luther Youngdahl was the governor of Minnesota:

    Luther W. YoungdahlAKA Luther Wallace Youngdahl
    Born: 29-May-1896
    Birthplace: Minneapolis, MN
    Died: 21-Jun-1978
    Location of death: Washington, DC
    Cause of death: Cancer - unspecified
    Remains: Buried, Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington, VA
    Gender: Male
    Religion: Lutheran
    Race or Ethnicity: White
    Sexual orientation: Straight
    Occupation: Politician, Judge
    Party Affiliation: Republican
    Nationality: United States
    Executive summary: Governor of Minnesota, 1947-51
    Military service: US Army (field artillery, WWI, 2nd Lt.)
    Brother: Reuben Youngdahl (pastor)
    Brother: Oscar Youngdahl (US Congressman)
    Brother: Carl Youngdahl (music professor)
    Brother: Benjamin Youngdahl (educator)
    Brother: Peter Youngdahl (attorney)
    Sister: Ruth Youngdahl Nelson
    Wife: Irene Annet Engdahl (m. 1923, d. 26-Nov-1992, one daughter, two sons)
    Daughter: Margaret Peterson
    Son: William L. Youngdahl
    Son: P. David Youngdahl

    Special Pleading among the UOJ Stormtroopers - New Graphic

    Nothing is too low or dirty for the UOJ Stormtroopers.
    Do not ask them questions or they will excommunicate.
    If you are a fellow pastor, they will block the email.


    Ichabod readers can compare this blog to others. Come back in a few minutes.

    OK. Welcome back. Notice the difference. I post all their favorite UOJ essays and even kelm their posts with the links.

    All they do is post their favorite talking points and only the UOJ essays that recycle those talking points.

    They could kelm my doctrinal graphics. I have given advance permission to use them. They could deal with the points brought up by many people about the short and dreadful history of UOJ, starting with Knapp at Halle University and ending with universalism, atheism, and Church Growth (in descending order).

    They deal with objections this way:
    1. The efficacy of the Word in the Means of Grace. Never heard of it.
    2. The Holy Spirit works only with the Word and never apart from the Word. Never heard of it, so can't discuss it.
    3. Robert Preus - deny and avoid that topic, Justification and Rome.
    4. Gausewitz - forgotten. Nothing to see or address.
    5. The 1901 German LCMS catechism with no UOJ and the current CPH catechism (KJV) with no UOJ. Silence.
    6. Luther, Chemnitz, Melanchthon, Gerhard, Calov, Quensted - they do not read those authors.
    7. The Book of Concord - denial of the entire content of the Confessions.

    I have noticed an excess of nastiness on the part of UOJ Enthusiasts, which they pursue anonymously if at all possible. They also lie a lot, as if "All men are liars" is a command rather than a description.

    They howl with rage if anyone challenges for obvious sin, even when this is done with hat in hand, and beggin' the pardon, sir. But they have no compunction about excommunicating - not exactly an excess of grace or forgiveness.

    Heard It on the Grapevine


    The Michigan District, WELS, is asking to delay the vote on the NNIV.

    The South Central District voted against it.

    Tim Glende claims that everyone in the entire world is already forgiven. That is why he is so eager to excommunicate.

    Ditto Kudu Don Patterson.

    Ditto Pope John the Malefactor.


    The only damning sin--for Ski and Glende--is questioning Ski and Glende.
    For that sin - excommunication.
    Read Rick Techlin's blog.



    Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Clown Ministry Honcho Defends UOJ - Ineptly Of Cou...":

    If all are declared innocent as UOJ teaches, for what reason are some damned to hell?
    People are damned to hell because of unbelief.


    So the (W)ELS would have everyone believe that Christ didn't die for the sin of unbelief. UOJ teaches that Christ died and paid for every sin but the sin of unbelief which is the one remaining sin that damns a person to Hell. This individual who answers this appropriate question is teaching that Christ didn't die and pay for the sin of unbelief.

    First, every human being was born dead in sins, separated from God and under the Law. Everyone from the time of their conception was guilty of the sin of unbelief. No one outside of God's Word and Baptism ever believed on Christ alone for the forgiveness of their sins. If Christ did not die and pay the sins of unbelief then the entire human race is damned to Hell for the sin that Christ's sacrifice didn't pay for.

    UOJ makes Christ inept and makes God a liar because Scripture states in Isaiah 53:6, "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all." God says that every sin was laid on Christ and yet the (W)ELS contends that the sin of unbelief was not laid on Christ and therefore it wasn't paid for.

    Second, what is being taught by this individual promoting UOJ is false doctrine. Christ states that if a man remains not in the sin of unbelief, but comes to faith in Christ, by the gracious work of the Holy Spirit, that man will receive the forgiveness of sins and eternal life. Romans 11:23, "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again." The UOJ defender above goes on to reference 2 Corinthians 5:21, "God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them.” as proof that UOJ is true. Yet this very verse contradicts UOJ's teaching concerning the universal sin of unbelief. If God, apart from the Means of Grace working faith alone in Christ, doesn't count men's sins against them, then how can he count the sin of unbelief against them? If the teachings of UOJ are true it is indeed a Universalist religious doctrine. The truth is that not one teaching of UOJ is true it can be easily shown by using Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions.

    So unbelief is not the unforgivable sin. The true Gospel is that Christ died and paid for all sins, including the sin of unbelief which every human being has been guilty of. Outside of faith in Christ we are dead in sins, remain unforgiven and condemned of God. By the gracious calling of the Holy Spirit through the Means of Grace, God's Word and Baptism, Christ works repentance over sin and faith in Him for the forgiveness of sins, justification and salvation. Not as a process as the false gospel of UOJ teaches but instantaneously when we believe alone in Christ's atonement.

    UOJ is a heinous false gospel and attacks the central article of Christian faith. Test the spirits with God's Word to see if they are of God. This UOJ defender and promoter is not of God.

    In Christ,
    Brett Meyer