ICHABOD, THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED - explores the Age of Apostasy, predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, to attack Objective Faithless Justification, Church Growth Clowns, and their ringmasters. The antidote to these poisons is trusting the efficacious Word in the Means of Grace. John 16:8. Isaiah 55:8ff. Romans 10. Most readers are WELS, LCMS, ELS, or ELCA. This blog also covers the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Left-wing, National Council of Churches denominations.
Wednesday, January 30, 2013
California on the KJVs
California:
You said it well, when you said, "The various KJV's imagine they have the license to make continuous changes to their language, I know the NKJV has done that".
Dave P. asked, "Do you have any objection to NKJV or any modern English translations based on the same texts?" The question assumes that the publishers of the likes of NKJV actually have carried out their claims of following the samemanuscript evidence as the KJV, but in reality they make exceptions and deviate in bits and pieces. (Matthew 28:19) Bible publishing these days is monetarily competitive business, almost as much so as women's fashions and the latest tech toy. Publishers whose bottom lines depend on numbers of units sold, must keep churning out something new and different to remain in business.
One means of doing that to compete with other bible publishers is to periodically come out with the entirely new and innovative . That appeals to the itching eyes and ears of those who have already abandoned the KJV long ago.
Another useful approach is to keep the more recent "runaways from KJV" (a generation or so) in their publishing house camp, by publishing revisions of their best sellers, and revisions of revisions to come. That is the second market to retain.
But what market has yet to be corralled? The refuseniks, the resistors, those who haven't taken the bait, and cling to the time tested, reliable KJV.
They won't jump from KJV to NIV and certainly not a NNIV, but if they can be enticed to take that first step away from the KJV, the marketers have achieved two things. Tapping a market which hasn't responded to the New of everything, but more importantly, they will have succeeded in getting the last holdouts to make that step.
A next step will be easier and the next and the next......until KJV is all but extinguished. They can continue to plagiarize the KJV title while the gradual weaning of the last of them away from KJV and family of manuscript evidence Luther and KJV translators used is accomplished. The Devil will rejoice.
That having been accomplished, who can trust any so-called version, with even what I call the "bridge" bibles (from KJV to the great unknown) versions sure to come in even more rapid succession. For as you correctly observed, "The various KJV's imagine they have the license to make continuous changes to their language......". Why bother with taking the "bridge" when one can simply "leap" directly to NNIIV and any of the other current New Translations and the ones which are sure to follow in short order. Save the publishers all that trouble to court the KJV holdouts by publishing NKJV and "cousins".
Bottom line in more ways than one....doesn't anyone wonder why no publisher has published a revision of the KJV which only does some updating of obscure words and nothing more?
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GJ - Maybe the KJV 21st Century has done that, California, making very minor adjustments. But your points are valid. The modernized KJV efforts have filled that market and also made a lot of Baptists happy by getting rid of the Means of Grace in the original recipe KJV.
The 21st Century one will also sell, but the niche is filled and (my guess) that one will not make a difference.
Lutherans could have jolted the industry by doing exactly what California suggested, putting their money behind it. But that is why WELS excommunicated her - for having a brain and using it.
Anonymous Accusations - At Least Kudu Don Patterson Signed His Email
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Luther Bunker wants his UOJ. |
Luther Bunker has left a new comment on your post "An Anonymous Claim Without Support":
Your duplicity is shocking. You condemn other bloggers for manipulating their blogs by shunning and non-publishing comments. And then you do the same here and say you publish all comments. You are a fool and a liar.
Again, redemption is not regeneration.
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GJ - The UOJ fanatics from WELS are dense. They cannot comprehend English, so how can they grasp Greek?
I said, repeatedly, that I let most comments pass through - not all of them. Most and all are different words. But UOJ dolts think some and all are the same words. That is why they love their New NIV, which adds an all to deliver their favorite dogma.
Luther Bunko wants a free ride from a blog with 2 to 3 thousand page-views a day, but he wants to enjoy publishing without responsibily.
DP Kudu Don Patterson sent me an email using the same language, but he signed it. WELS clergy are verbally abusive and easily offended by the truth, an unpleasant combination.
From a pastor Ichabod post

Hey, Greg,
I am not a part of Church and Change Leadership. I went to one conference a few years ago and had my own reservations. Also, Robert Timmerman does not serve as a church council pres at our church. You are lying on your blog.
Don
Donald Patterson
kududon@gmail.com
12-10-08
subject: Don't be a fool
sent to BethanyLutheranWorship@gmail.com
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Patterson denied being a Church and Changer, but attended their "last" conference. He also participated in the C and C list-serve discussions, oozing the comment "pure gold" when John Lawrenz wrote. |
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GJ - I don't look at my gmail very often, as readers can see. Someone could have created a gmail account and sent this. In fact, one of his cronies could have. I looked up "kudu" and found this site. So I think Kudu Don Patterson sent the email.

This email does remind me of typical WELS evasion tactics -avoid the main point and call someone a liar on a trivial, debatable matter.
Does VP Patterson soak up synod money by asking for grants to pay for his vicars? Yes.
Does VP Patterson support Rock and Roll Church? Yes.
Did VP Patterson take Chad White (on his parish staff) and others to the Exponential Conference? Yes.
Did Stelljes, son of a member of Holy Word, also attend that pan-denominational conference? Yes.
Did other WELS workers attend that conference? Yes.
Was Brother Stetzer a featured speaker at Exponential? Yes.
Was Babtist Stetzer hired to speak to Church and Change's 2009 conference soon after? Yes.
Did Church and Change start lying about Stetzer? Yes - so much that one of my sources got rattled about whether it was true or not. I posted three separate proofs that Stetzer was hired in August - all from Stetzer himself. It was up to Church and Change to prove otherwise. SP Schroeder said Stetzer is an issue, so who is lying?
Is Timmerman a leader at Patterson's church? Yes. Timmerman is also on the WELS governing board. (I am not the parish or synodical secretary, so terms of office are not in my job description.) If Patterson wants to pretend Timmerman is not involved in Church and Change, as he also pretends - many know otherwise. Does he want to suggest Timmerman, who must bankroll the African safaris, is not a parish leader?
So, is Patterson a stealth leader of Church and Change?
Good for Patterson. You lie and tell half-truths all the time, mostly to make yourself look good.
[GJ - Confidential to Joe - I don't think you should post anonymously when Patteson arranges for Rock and Roll to have more grant money. Conflict of interest and all that. Does it bother you that he took a crew to hear Brother Stetzer and a bunch of false teachers at Exponential?]
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GJ - What was your name? I didn't catch it.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":
Ignore Don's jackals.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":
I'm glad that you can make such sweeping inferences about someone, especially when some of your bellowing is patently false... although that matters not to you. Well guess what Greg? Because of your half-truths, your carelessness and your downright vile-ness, most of us care little about you except to pray for your soul. That is the Christian thing to do, No, wait, I'm sure that is way too pietistic for you because it would mean to show concern for someone. Well, we'll keep praying for you (and all the others you are fomenting hatred within) and you enjoy your little self-serve perish (that wasn't a typo).
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GJ - Don's jackals care so little that they stop by every day to bite and chew. Too bad they are toothless. I would be bitter and angry too - if I spent my career promoting Babtist theology...if I ended ended up with a non-pastor (Ed Stetzer) as guest speaker, a hot-air merchant so pathetic he has to claim "two doctorates" (false) and "two master's degrees" (so what) on every bio.
Church and Chicanery is losing ground. All they have to offer is a pack of lies. The trouble with the first set of deceptions is that they need another set to cover for them.
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For months they have claimed - More information is coming soon. They need to wake up the webmaster or tell the truth about Stetzer.
Joe Krohn, one of their ovine followers, could not get the truth from them on their own list-serve.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":
When did he call you a fool?
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GJ - When? The subject line of the email. I am not offended, but pleased. The feathers fly when the arrow reaches the mark. VP Patterson's behavior is typical of WELS Church Growth leaders. They do not repent and apologize - they accuse and slander and deceive. That is why I call the headquarters buildings The Love Shack - since most of the drones there talk love, and conversion via love, but exhibit nothing but spite and hated.
Lutheran Schools versus a Jewish School
bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod - Synod Board...":
Jewish college succeeds where LCMS's Concordia-Ann Arbor fails, despite the Lutheran population of Michigan being many times the size of the Jewish population.
Ann Arbor is only 10 miles west of the Detroit metropolitan area where the Jewish college is located.
Ann Arbor recently had to merge with Concordia-Mequon, which is now a dual campus.
The Jewish college started from scratch in 2006, and in 2010 it already had $3 million in assets and a 40-acre campus. It's main source of revenue is federal Pell Grants! Meanwhile, Concordia-Ann Arbor started earlier, and was subsidized by the synod, got the same Pell Grants, and yet failed.
I suppose like most colleges, Ann Arbor gave full and half scholarships to sons and daughters of wealthy families based on academic performance, and charged poorer students full price, also based on academic performance. Every school does it and they all wonder why schools have financial challenges. Surprise! Now poorer Americans now have $1+ trillion in student loan debt. As with most things in America, means testing is anathema, and this leads to catestrophic systemic problems when the class of the poor expands and can't pay their mortgage, need food stamps, qualify for Medicaid, etc. Also, it lead to the growing class wealth divide as measured by the GINI Index. If there is a student loan fix, I hope Congress demands that colleges stop letting the rich students attend free while charging the poorer students full price.
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Chabad College in Michigan Gets Building Go-Ahead: Fueled by Federal Funding, 16,0000 Square Feet, but Just 3 Degrees
http://forward.com/articles/170106/chabad-college-in-michigan-gets-building-go-ahead/
For many years, MJI catered mainly to a small number of part-time students studying towards vocational degrees in business and computers. However, as the Forward revealed last fall, the college and its finances have swelled rapidly as it transitioned to offer courses in Judaic Studies and particularly as it expanded online.
Its student body has grown from about 200 students in 2004 to about 2,000 students today. During the past five years, MJI students collected almost $25 million in federal Pell grants designed for low-income students.
Between 2006 and 2010, MJI’s net income increased from $89,000 to $850,000. It ended 2010 with almost $3 million in assets.
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An Anonymous Claim Without Support
Luther Bunko has left a new comment on your post "Another Foolish Argument from Luther Bunko":
"The word Trinity is absent from the Bible, but the concept is found throughout the Bible, from Genesis 1 to the end."
And so the words Objective Justification are absent from the Bible, but the concept is found throughout the Bible as well as the BoC. Mankind is redeemed because of the Atonement as the BoC claims under the SD under election. To deny this limits mankind's redemption and therefore limits the atonement.
Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Why Do the Women Confess the Truth While the Men Silence Themselves?
Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Comment and Selections from Intrepid Lutherans":
Linda Sasieta makes a bold confession - and signs her own name. More than can be said for the majority of (W)ELS clergy.
http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2011/03/words-of-wisdom-from-another-blog.html
http://vdma.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/terminated-from-wels-fellowship/
Another Foolish Argument from Luther Bunko
Luther Bunko has left a new comment on your post "Comment and Selections from Intrepid Lutherans":
I have been watching what seems to be a war of words. Surely, Scriptures do not use the word 'Trinity' and yet we have no problem with the term. It describes accurately from our frail human condition what we understand of God's essence. So, in like mind, we should not try to define objective justification in such a narrow 'essence'. Or in other words...think of this OJ in the sense of redemption of mankind vs. a redemption that is received in faith.
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GJ - The word Trinity is absent from the Bible, but the concept is found throughout the Bible, from Genesis 1 to the end.
Terms by themselves are meaningless. Each faith-group uses grace in a different way. Being a Biblical word does not save it from abuse. The Bible is a book for heretics, as WELS and Missouri know - from practice.
The LCMS/WELS precious OJ is wrong from the start, since it is foreign to the Bible and Confessions. But Objective Justification is especially bad for being the tool used to convey false doctrine under the guise of Lutheran orthodoxy.
The OJ/SJ combination is an addiction for false teachers. It came from the Woods translation of Knapp's Pietistic theology lectures.
Give the bunko artist an F for Epic Fail.
KJV Questions
Unknown has left a new comment on your post "Study the Issues for Your Shelves, Starting with t...":
Do you have any objections to the NKJV or any modern English translation based on the same texts?
Dave P.
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GJ - The hysterical promotion of bad paraphrases is the hallmark of the Synodical Conference today. The precious ESV marketed by the Missouri Synod and its dim-witted publishing house is better named The Calvinist RSV.
Please suppress all laughter the next time a Missouri pastor calls justification by faith Calvinism. His beloved ESV is Calvinistic, edited by a Calvinist, but spawned in the disease-ridden womb of the National Council of Churches. The NCC owns the RSV.
The leaders of the LCMS play for both teams, as they say in a different context. One team is Rome. The other is Fuller. Both camps adore dynamic equivalency and despise Luther's English Bible, the KJV.
The best solution for having modern translations is to use something from the KJV family. The "old" KJV we use is actually a modest revision and updating of the 1611 version.
Since the Lutherans are too lazy to produce an updated KJV, using versions of the KJV is a second choice. The New KJV is popular. I know of a KJV II, a Modern KJV, and a KJV 21st Century. I own the last one as a reference and use the KJV for all my quotations.
The various KJVs imagine they have the license to make continuous changes to their language, a practice I find annoying. I know the New KJV has done that.
They also suffer from denominational filters, in various degrees, such as getting rid of communion with the body and blood of Christ, baptism does now save you, and that mantra of Fuller Seminary - manufacture disciples (Great Commission). Each one is so dynamic that it corrupts the original meaning. Means of Grace - exit stage right. No curtain calls.
So, for people who went to public school or WELS schools, the a modern style KJV is the best for their vocabularies, but reading the KJV, especially out loud, will improve their understanding and vocabulary immensely.
The New Testament Text
The NT Greek text is good for a book, and many have written about that topic. The Bible Society types are grifters, too, just like the dynamic equivalency translators.
The modern translations follow Wescott/Hort scam of changing the original text to match what they think at the moment.
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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Study the Issues for Your Shelves, Starting with t...":
Ichabod -
I have little doubt that WELS will adopt the dumb-downed new NIV version to accomodate its decreasing synodical membership. WELS synodical officials believe in the principle of appealing to the lowest common denominator.
Nathan M. Bickel
www.thechristianmessage.org
www.moralmatters.org
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California added:
You said it well, when you said, "The various KJV's imagine they have the license to make continuous changes to their language, I know the NKJV has done that".
Dave P. asked, "Do you have any objection to NKJV or any modern English translations based on the same texts?" The question assumes that the publishers of the likes of NKJV actually have carried out their claims of following the same manuscript evidence as the KJV, but in reality they make exceptions and deviate in bits and pieces. (Matthew 28:19) Bible publishing these days is monetarily competitive business, almost as much so as women's fashions and the latest tech toy. Publishers whose bottom lines depend on numbers of units sold, must keep churning out something new and different to remain in business.
One means of doing that to compete with other bible publishers is to periodically come out with the entirely new and innovative . That appeals to the itching eyes and ears of those who have already abandoned the KJV long ago.
Another useful approach is to keep the more recent "runaways from KJV" (a generation or so) in their publishing house camp, by publishing revisions of their best sellers, and revisions of revisions to come. That is the second market to retain.
But what market has yet to be corralled? The refuseniks, the resistors, those who haven't taken the bait, and cling to the time tested, reliable KJV.
They won't jump from KJV to NIV and certainly not a NNIV, but if they can be enticed to take that first step away from the KJV, the marketers have achieved two things. Tapping a market which hasn't responded to the New of everything, but more importantly, they will have succeeded in getting the last holdouts to make that step.
A next step will be easier and the next and the next......until KJV is all but extinguished. They can continue to plagiarize the KJV title while the gradual weaning of the last of them away from KJV and family of manuscript evidence Luther and KJV translators used is accomplished. The Devil will rejoice.
That having been accomplished, who can trust any so-called version, with even what I call the "bridge" bibles (from KJV to the great unknown) versions sure to come in even more rapid succession. For as you correctly observed, "The various KJV's imagine they have the license to make continuous changes to their language......". Why bother with taking the "bridge" when one can simply "leap" directly to NNIIV and any of the other current New Translations and the ones which are sure to follow in short order. Save the publishers all that trouble to court the KJV holdouts by publishing NKJV and "cousins".
Bottom line in more ways than one....doesn't anyone wonder why no publisher has published a revision of the KJV which only does some updating of obscure words and nothing more?
Book of Concord Editor, Chemnitz Biographer Polycarp Leyser on the enumeration of causes in justification | Faith Alone Justifies
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Might the biographer of Chemnitz, an editor of the Book of Concord, a specialist in justification by faith, get this topic right? |
Polycarp Leyser on the enumeration of causes in justification | Faith Alone Justifies:
Polycarp Leyser on the enumeration of causes in justification
Like Chemnitz and Hunnius, Polycarp Leyser also wrote of various “causes” that are involved in the justification of sinners. Like the other orthodox Lutheran theologians, Leyser speaks of faith as the “instrumental cause” of justification. In other words, this is the means by which God justifies sinners. Faith is not the one who justifies sinners (that is, the efficient cause). Nor is it what motivates God to justify sinners (the interior motivating cause), nor is it that which earns the justification of the sinner (the meritorious cause). Instead, the Word of God and the faith to which the Word gives birth are the “how” of justification. All of these “causes” are involved, so to speak of justification as already having “taken place” or “happened” apart any of these “causes,” including the “how” of faith, is, Scripturally speaking, nonsense. As the Apology says in IV:67,
But God cannot be treated with, God cannot be apprehended, except through the Word. Accordingly, justification occurs through the Word, just as Paul says, Rom. 1, 16:The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth. Likewise 10, 17: Faith cometh by hearing. And proof can be derived even from this that faith justifies, because, if justification occurs only through the Word, and the Word is apprehended only by faith, it follows that faith justifies.
Or as the Formula of Concord enumerates the causes in SD:III:25 (without using the word “cause”):
For not everything that belongs to conversion belongs likewise to the article of justification, in and to which belong and are necessary only the grace of God, the merit of Christ, and faith, which receives this in the promise of the Gospel, whereby the righteousness of Christ is imputed to us, whence we receive and have forgiveness of sins, reconciliation with God, sonship, and heirship of eternal life.
Here is an excerpt from Leyser’s larger work, the year after the Book of Concord was first published.
Theological Assertions Concerning the Justification of Man before God
Polycarp Leyser, 1581
The efficient cause of justification is the entire Holy Trinity. For the Father justifies us, in His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6).
The interior motivating cause is not any preceding merit of ours, nor any subsequent satisfaction, but only the free and infallible mercy of God, who sees the miseries of the human race, procures their redemption, and freely justifies us without any condition of the law having been fulfilled by us.
The exterior motivating or meritorious cause is the obedience, suffering, death and resurrection of Christ, the Son of God and of Man, by which He has perfectly made satisfaction to the Law for us, has made atonement for sins, has defeated death, has conquered Satan, and with the gates of Hades having been broken, has freed us for the freedom of the sons of God.
The formal cause is no inhering quality in us, nor is it the essential righteousness of God dwelling in us. But it is the remission of our sins and the righteousness of Christ alone which the heavenly Father imputes to us as our own, and by this He pronounces us to be righteous.
The instrumental cause with regard to God is the ministry of Word and Sacrament, in which God opens His heavenly treasures, hidden in the Son, and offers them to all men without discrimination or condition.
The instrumental cause with regard to us is faith, which acknowledges the fullness of the divine promise about Christ, offered in the Word and sealed in the Sacraments; embraces it with firm assent; and rests in it with great confidence that has no doubt concerning its salvation.
And since no works of the Law, neither preceding nor present nor subsequent, constitute any cause (either of merit or of application), therefore we rightly and piously declare thatman is justified by faith alone in Christ.
The final cause of this free justification is not only that the dignity of God’s righteousness may be acknowledged, but also that our consciences, afflicted by sin in general, may have peace before God.
The effects are: adoption as sons of God, regeneration, the indwelling of God, vivification, eternal life, and innumerable other things.
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Study the Issues for Your Shelves, Starting with the KJV, the Triglotta, Luther, and Chemnitz
I know when people have a weak argument for their false doctrine, because they write to me "I do not agree with you."
They often engage in repetitious personal attacks. Puh-leeze find some new material.
WELS is about the adopt the New NIV, which is worse than the old NIV, both guilty of paraphrasing in the name of "dynamic equivalency."
Atheists, homosexuals, and lesbians are in the vanguard of the Bible business, because any Bible will have large runs, truly a license to print money.
Ken Ham, the Answers in Genesis and Noah's Ark guy, says, "The New NIV has the same problems as the older one. Culture dictates the paraphrase. Culture has invaded the Scriptures."
That is a key description of all the new Bible efforts. The Scriptures are no longer the inerrant Word of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They are words to be moved, changed, dropped, and twisted like wax forms until they fit what today's culture demands.
Mequon jumped into this long ago by making Luther's English Bible (the King James) seem to be a horrible and dastardly translation.In fact, the King James is a precise translation in classical English style, its wording modeled after Luther's.
Tyndale enrolled at Wittenberg to study under Luther and Melanchthon and gave his life to give the world his translation. The clergy wanted ONE English Bible so the King James commission kelmed Tyndale's to a large extent. What one king killed, another king exalted. God's justice is slow but sure.
Ex-DP Glaeske asked the WELS convention if they could ever turn back from the NNIV road. Where was he when WELS adopted the old one? Get-along-go-along guys get promoted and elected. Those who dared to criticized the NIV were expelled from WELS. It is an old pattern, modeled upon the Spanish Inquisition.
Clergy and laity need to stock their shelves with the Lutheran classics.
- The King James Version
- The Book of Concord, starting with the Triglotta
- Luther's Sermons
- Chemnitz.
There is no excuse, because everything is available on the Net for free or from used book websites for very little.
This blog has plenty of doctrinal posts where people can study the orthodox teachers, the false teachers, and decide for themselves. They are concentrating on the Lutheran quotations, which is my goal. Look at these top two posts for the last 30 days. You can click on them.
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Comment and Selections from Intrepid Lutherans
Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "A bit of Q & A with Hunnius on justification | Fai...":
May the Lord continue to richly bless the work of Pastor Paul Rydecki who has been faithful to Christ and His Church. This recent translation is a wonderful testament against the Antichrist's in the Lutheran Synods who continue to teach and defend the false rationalistic gospel of Universal Objective Justification while condemning to Hell Christ's doctrine of one Justification solely By Faith Alone along with all who profess it.
Romans 10:10, "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
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http://www.intrepidlutherans.com/2013/01/a-bit-of-q-with-hunnius-on-justification.html#comment-form
I have been a WELS member my entire life, went to WELS schools from K-12th grade and even spent a semester at NWC. My grandfather, Clare Reiter, is a WELS pastor (retired). I have always understood that while Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, only believers are justified. With respect to those who believe this controversy is symantecs, I believe this change in language descibing justification, which is apparently the current WELS position, is not only a dangerous move in the direction that other christian churches have moved, but may already represent false teaching. I will say that it appears to be false teaching to me but I will leave that determination to those whose understanding of language and doctrine is better than mine. I hope that the current controversy will have the benefit of increasing my understanding of Scripture, doctrine, and language.
James Huey
James Huey
@ James Huey...
I agree with your words with exception of the following: "but I will leave that determination to those whose understanding of language and doctrine is better than mine."
You are capable of determining and already have seen the problem for what it is. You don't have to be ordained to know the truth. I have the same background as you. I know I was taught the truth when I began my education. By the time I graduated from DLMC, I could see things were already changing. I never could accept the change in the catechism...not because it was a different book, but because the teachings were different. Sadly, this is the book that almost all the pastors and teachers being churned out today have had ingrained into their education. Gausewitz would be foreign.
The sad truth is this... there are several kinds of pastors - here is a short list...
I agree with your words with exception of the following: "but I will leave that determination to those whose understanding of language and doctrine is better than mine."
You are capable of determining and already have seen the problem for what it is. You don't have to be ordained to know the truth. I have the same background as you. I know I was taught the truth when I began my education. By the time I graduated from DLMC, I could see things were already changing. I never could accept the change in the catechism...not because it was a different book, but because the teachings were different. Sadly, this is the book that almost all the pastors and teachers being churned out today have had ingrained into their education. Gausewitz would be foreign.
The sad truth is this... there are several kinds of pastors - here is a short list...
Group 1) Believe UOJ is correct without question...they can only think UOJ and cannot fathom any other idea - you heretic.
Group 2) Don't really know what's going on other than what is told/whispered about the controversy and the false teaching, and will always follow what Synod tells them to follow. They will forward you materials you "should read" to help you clear up your questions, probably the things Synod sent to them, as they have not, and will not do any extra to find out for themselves (eager Bereans would be good examples here)
Group 3) This type has questions too and would like to be able to discuss the subject openly. Sadly, out of fear of retaliation from Synod and risking they could be fit with new shoes - Rydecki Specials - or blackballed for the rest of their professional life, these guys will say nothing.
Group 4) The saddest group of all in my view are those who know the truth and will say nothing. They already are somewhat ostracized as they have possibly already spoken out against other flaky WELS issues like Church & Change, Parish Services, the Crossroads Churches and any other that is seemingly ashamed to proclaim the name of Lutheran in the church's name, as well as not supporting the "ministry" of Mark Jeske, questioning the direction of WLS, the shady alliance with Fuller Theological Seminary, as well as Willow Creek Association, not supporting the church growth folks, and any other possible cause that is happening among us. Sadly, they can't speak up as they may lose their retirement and many of these people are close to that age and cannot risk it.
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Group 5) Those that will boldly speak up despite the repercussions of doing so.
God warned us that there would be days like this. Make good decisions for your faith life and for your family. Your are also equipped to make spiritual decisions...the paradox is that it was this same group that trained you and told you to do it.
May God bless you... Linda Sasieta
God warned us that there would be days like this. Make good decisions for your faith life and for your family. Your are also equipped to make spiritual decisions...the paradox is that it was this same group that trained you and told you to do it.
May God bless you... Linda Sasieta
Wisconsin Inquisition Grows in Scope,
Even Though Mark Schroeder Helped Start the Intrepids
SP Mark Schroeder complained to classmate (WELS bloodbrother) Steve Spencer that they were being out-organized.
When I was asked about my opinion, I suggested that they have a blog to air doctrinal concerns. If people were writing to me and I knew them, I suggested they participate. After all, Church and Change already owned synod headquarters, down to the website managed by Willow Creek fanatic.
That was the end of my involvement.
The group decided to create a blog and called themselves Intrepid Lutherans. If you care to keep the content there, use software to back the entire blogsite. It is not too difficult to do. I suspect the blog and the group will be gone in a few months.
WELS is now actively breaking up the group. Pastors are telling laity not to participate, to remove their names from the list. This is coming down from Mark Schroeder to the District Presidents to the pastors. The DPs are contacting the pastoral signers to get them to back-pedal at flank speed.
Part of the sales pitch is to say, menacingly, that "one of the pastors on Intrepid Lutherans was removed for false doctrine."
Many would call that innocence by association, a true merit badge for a sect that covers up for murder, adultery, child abuse, homosexuality, and embezzlement.
"How's about false doctrine in WELS? Do they cover that up in WELS?"
More than that - they reward false doctrine with promotions, honors, and speaking engagements. After Randy Hunter closed his Latte Lounge Church, Martin Luther (sic) College invited him to speak for Evangelism Day. That is like getting Iver Johnson for a marriage retreat, Gurgle for money management or English composition, James Tiefel for the Mothers Against Drunk Driving annual dinner.
The only god the Roman Empire would not tolerate was the One True God, Jesus Christ, as Luther observed. The one doctrine WELS will not allow to be taught is justification by faith.
Mark Schroeder is not really the boss of WELS. Mark and Avoid Jeske is. Schroeder is just the office manager and public relations man - and not too good at it. Jeske is also the boss and paymaster of the Missouri Synod. If you think Paul McCain is overpaid, think of the LCMS getting $50 million to $60 million a year to sell Thrivent Insurance to its members.
And they all do - from Herman Otten all the way up.
Monday, January 28, 2013
Comments on the Ichaslang Lexicon
LPC has left a new comment on your post "The Ichaslang Lexcion - Still Popular":
How come we are the only ones laughing?
UOJers do not get it, do they?
LPC
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narrow-minded has left a new comment on your post "The Ichaslang Lexcion - Still Popular":
The statement that No Call Paul is not a blogger is certainly true. Now that the Intrepids have followed suit of other blogs by giving him a "time out" for tantrum-infused behavior, No Blog Paul may actually have to spend his day at CPH working for his six-figure salary, instead of blogging all day.
When a fellow-parishioner recently asked me why "Luther's Small Catechism" can be purchased for less money from Amazon than from CPH, I gave him the obvious explanation.
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GJ - The Lutheran classics are free or inexpensive. The best Lutheran hymnal, The Lutheran Hymnal, can be found in piles in many different places, free.
A bit of Q & A with Hunnius on justification | Faith Alone Justifies
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A bit of Q & A with Hunnius on justification | Faith Alone Justifies:
A bit of Q & A with Hunnius on justification
Aegidius Hunnius didn’t only write on the subject of Justification in the Theses Opposed to Huberianism (linked in the sidebar). Among other things, he wrote a book (about 250 pages long) called The Article of the Gracious Justification of Sinful Man beforeGod, Explained by Means of Questions and Answers. It’ll take me a long time to finish translating that work, especially since I’m currently working on others, but here is a brief series of excerpts.
The Article of the Gracious Justification of Sinful Man before God: Questions and Answers
(Hunnius, p.17 ff)
What does the word “justify” mean in the present discussion?
In a human judgment, they are said “to be justified” who are pronounced free from the guilt of the crimes of which they were accused. (The Scripture speaks in this sense in Deut. 25: If a case arises and they go to judgment, the righteous man should be justified and the ungodly man condemned, as this word “justifying” is understood in both Proverbs 17 and Is. 5). In the same way, understanding the word in the same forensic usage, they are said to be justified before God who, fleeing to the Throne of Grace, are absolved from the guilt of sin and from damnation, and are reckoned as righteous by the imputation of the righteousness of Christ, which consists in His obedience.
In order that each part may be examined in order, give me such a definition of justification that embraces the sum of the whole treatment that will follow.
Justification is the act of God by which He deigns to consider the man who is frightened by the awareness of sins and who flees to the Throne of Grace with pure mercy, through and for the sake of the merit of Christ, apprehended by faith; and, having forgiven him his sins, He reckons him as righteous, free from damnation, and also an heir of eternal life, without any human merit and without any view of God toward the virtues or the works of man.
What kind of definition is this?
It is a causal definition, seeing that the true causes are being enumerated and the false causes removed.
How many causes of justification are there?
Three. First is grace, that is, the gracious favor of God. Second: The obedience of Christ. Third: Faith.
Why do you number the causes in this order?
I put the grace of God in first place because this was given to us, as the Apostle testifies, before times of eternity, and it is also the source and beginning of the remaining causes, since it occurred by the mercy and grace of God that the Son was sent into the world to satisfy God in our place. Faith, on the other hand, since it is considered relatively to the obedience of Christ as the instrument that apprehends the thing that is apprehended, necessarily presupposes that which is apprehended, namely, the merit of Christ. In the order of causes, the merit of Christ comes before our faith, although in the case of the fathers, who lived before the Messiah was born and suffered, their faith (temporally speaking) existed prior to the suffering of the Lord, as they were naturally looking forward toward that which was to come. Still, if you consider the order of causes, the suffering of the Son comes first before God, who justifies (who views the merit of His Son outside the realm of time). Similarly, if you weigh the order of causes and effects, the suffering of Christ, is naturally prior to the salvation of the patriarchs (for this depends on the suffering of Christ as the effect brought about by the cause), although if you view the priority of time, the fathers gained that salvation before the Lord suffered—indeed, before He was born into the world.
(Hunnius, p.66 ff)
Explain more clearly what this means.
Scripture locates our justification in a twofold imputation, one positive, the other negative. Positive, in that the righteousness of Christ is imputed to us, which otherwise would not dwell in us. Negative, in that that which does dwell in us, namely, sins, are not imputed. The Apostle writes about both in Romans 4, with these words: As David also explains the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Here you hear of the imputation of righteousness (which, for us, is Christ in His obedience); you hear likewise of the non imputation of sin. Indeed, our justification is located in both, even as one reads again of this latter non-imputation in 2 Cor. 5, God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing sins to them.
As I understand your thinking, you believe that a man who is righteous by nature is justified?
When God justifies a man, He does not justify one who is righteous by nature. For He finds none, in that all have sinned, all have become useless and unrighteous, and fall short of the glory of God. Indeed, Christ did not come for the sake of righteous people, but to save sinners, to seek and to save what was lost. Paul does not hesitate to affirm in this regard that God justifies the ungodly (Rom. 4)—not the ungodly as he continues in his ungodliness, but as he acknowledges it and turns to the Throne of Grace, Jesus Christ.
But Proverbs 17 says that it is an abomination before God if someone justifies an ungodly man. Knowing this, how, then, shall we attribute this to God Himself?
There is a great difference between the two. To be sure, in a human judgment (where the imputation of a foreign righteousness has no place), it is called “justifying the ungodly” when he who is neither righteous by his own nor by a foreign righteousness is reckoned and pronounced righteous, without respect to or intervention of any righteousness—that is, by a false and unjust sentence. But in God’s judgment, where a foreign righteousness is valid, the ungodly is justified, not without any righteousness at all, but, since he lacks his own righteousness (and is for this very reason “ungodly” by nature), nonetheless, he is clothed by faith with a foreign righteousness which most certainly can be and is imputed to believers by God, as was just demonstrated.
What is the means of this imputation?
Faith. As it is written, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him as righteousness. And again, To him who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is imputed as righteousness.
You said that the righteousness of Christ is imputed to us. Now it appears from the testimonies that have been produced that faith is imputed for righteousness?
These things are not at odds with one another. For each is imputed to us in its own way. The righteousness of the obedience of Christ is the very thing that is imputed, that is, because of which we are reckoned as righteous and by which we are called “righteous.” But faith is the means of that imputation as it lays hold of the righteousness imputed by God. In this sense, faith itself, insofar as it embraces the righteousness of the obedience of the Savior, is said to be imputed as righteousness.
So then, you are making faith a third cause of our justification?
Very much so. And this together with the Prophets and Apostles, who have set forth that justification of faith illustrated by the example of Abraham (Gen. 15, Rom. 4). Indeed, there are also other testimonies that confirm that man is justified by faith: John 3, God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that everyone who believes in Him should have eternal life. Acts 13, Let it be known to you that through this Man the remission of sins is announced to you, and through Him everyone who believes is justified from all the things from which you could not be justified through the law of Moses. And this phrase is often used by the Apostles from the Prophets: The righteous will live by faith. Paul makes this the proposition of his entire disputation in the introduction of the Epistle to the Romans, writing: The righteousness of God is revealed through it (the Gospel), from faith to faith, as it is written: But the righteous will live by his faith. And in Romans 3: But the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all and upon all those who believe. And again: We judge that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. And: The inheritance is given by faith, so that [it may be] according to grace, so that the promise may be firm. Many such sayings occur here and there (Acts 10, Gal. 2, Phil. 3, Heb. 11, and elsewhere).
But what do you here understand by “faith”?
Justifying faith is not only the knowledge in the intellect by which we hold the chief articles of the doctrine that has been divinely passed down, which includes that Christ has been crucified, dead, buried, resurrected, etc., but is above all the confidence of the heart with which a man trustingly rests in the satisfaction obtained through the death of Christ.
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