Sunday, October 16, 2011

Ignore the Man Behind the Curtain:
Mark Jeske and His Church and Changers

"Ignore the man behind the curtain!"


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The church growth leaders of today are the progeny of Spener. The legalism in American Lutheranism always seemed like an odd duck. Pastor Jackson, like Toto, you may have pulled back the curtain. It really may have been nothing more than a cover for the doctrinal indifferentism that is a trademark of Pietism. A generation ago, a sizable share of the laity had a workable knowledge of many of the doctrinal points of contention. Now, they are peppered with life coaching sermons and how-to Bible studies.

Notice the sequence of Lenski's comment: 1) Doctrine 2) Faith (Justification) 3) Admonition......which deals with life and conduct (sanctification).

St. Peter Fond du Lac (WELS) Edits the Book of Concord To Eliminate Justification by Faith

Join their cell group "ministry." UOJ and cell groups go together.


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Yet another example of WELS UOJ subterfuge, this time at parish level. In the October 2011 newsletter of St. Peter Lutheran Church in Fond du Lac, WI (just down the road from Appleton), the lead article entitled "Luther's Last Will and Testament: The Smalcald Articles" the author writes:

"As children of the Lutheran Reformation, may we steadfastly stand on the truth of the Bible as it is faithfully expounded and explained in the Smalcald Articles. The first and chief article is this:"

The author then goes on to quote that article from the SA. However, there is a curious "..." in the middle of the quotation. What is the "..."? Look up the entire article and you find that the author left out this important part:

"Now, since it is necessary to believe this, and it cannot be otherwise acquired or apprehended by any work, law, or merit, it is clear and certain that this faith alone justifies us as St. Paul says, Rom. 3:28: For we conclude that a man is justified by faith, without the deeds of the Law. Likewise 3:26: That He might be just, and the Justifier of him which believeth in Christ."

In other words, the author gave the impression that Justification does not include faith. Narrowing it down to the sentence before and after the "...", this is how the author teaches UOJ:

"Likewise: All have sinned and are justified without merit [freely, and without their own works or merits] by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, in His blood...Of this article nothing can be yielded or surrendered [or can anything be granted or permitted contrary to the same], even though heaven and earth, and whatever will not abide, should sink in ruin."

In the WELS this is code for: "You better believe in UOJ, or else!"

Pope Benedict Showing His Age and Liturgical Style


Them MLC guys could show him something about how to dress for success.




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From the MLC student portal:

On Saturday, October 24th after 7 pm chapel in the Cafeteria Conference Room, Scott Barefoot will present on leaving the gay lifestyle. He has a powerful message and shares what God’s word has to say on the subject. Come and learn how to speak the truth in love to those involved in the gay lifestyle. Bring your bible.

Laugh. Out. Loud.
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GJ - Short answer - transfer from MLC.

The Seventeenth Sunday after Trinity:
Ephesians 4:1-6

Norma Boeckler, artist



The Seventeenth Sunday after Trinity


Pastor Gregory L. Jackson




The Hymn #  44                    Ye Lands             2:41
The Confession of Sins
The Absolution
The Introit p. 16
The Gloria Patri
The Kyrie p. 17
The Gloria in Excelsis
The Salutation and Collect p. 19
The Epistle and Gradual       
The Gospel              
Glory be to Thee, O Lord!
Praise be to Thee, O Christ!
The Nicene Creed             p. 22
The Sermon Hymn #203            Morning Breaks            2:70     

Unity through the Word

The Communion Hymn # 315            I Come O Savior             2:66
The Preface p. 24
The Sanctus p. 26
The Lord's Prayer p. 27
The Words of Institution
The Agnus Dei p. 28
The Nunc Dimittis p. 29
The Benediction p. 31
The Hymn #  467     Built on a Rock                   2:83

KJV Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

KJV Luke 14:1 And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him. 2 And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy. 3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? 4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go; 5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? 6 And they could not answer him again to these things. 7 And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them, 8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; 9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. 10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee. 11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Seventeenth Sunday After Trinity

Lord God, heavenly Father: We beseech Thee so to guide and direct us by Thy Holy Spirit, that we may not exalt ourselves, but humbly fear Thee, with our whole hearts hear and keep Thy word, and hallow the Lord's day, that we also may be hallowed by Thy word; help us, first, to place our hope and confidence in Thy Son, Jesus Christ, who alone is our righteousness and Redeemer, and, then, so to amend and better our lives in accordance with Thy word, that we may avoid all offenses and finally obtain eternal salvation, through Thy grace in Christ, who liveth and reigneth with Thee and the Holy Ghost, one true God. world without end. Amen.

Unity Through the Word


KJV Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

This is one of the great, classic passages in the Bible.

Two things happen with numbers. The first is the naming of the Holy Trinity within two verses. This shows how clearly the teaching of the Trinity was embedded in the earliest Christian documents.

Only a few years after the resurrection of Christ, Paul routinely invoked the Trinity, listing all three Persons, or emphasizing the Father/Son relationship, or naming the Holy Spirit in other references. In several places Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are named together. Besides this, Paul gave divine attributes--such as faith, hop, and love—in groups of three.

But within these verses is another great emphasis, always found in Paul – the oneness of the true Church through unity of doctrine.

The Evangelicals have this saying that comes from Spener – Pietism – “Doctrine divides.” Spener did not want people arguing about sound doctrine. I asked an avid translation of German works – What did Spener teach about this or that? He said, “Name it and he probably wrote it someone. He was prolific but not consistent.” Spener liked working with non-Lutheran Protestants, which is where he got his ideas.

In the name of love, unity of doctrine does not matter to Pietists.

However, this is confused with legalism. The Lutheran groups today argue about legalistic issues because they all agree with ELCA about everyone already being forgiven. Since they are really in union with ELCA, both in teaching and in actual ministry work, they protect their franchises with legalism.

  1. Can someone pray with his aunt who belongs to another Lutheran group?
  2. What if she is dying in a hospital bed?
  3. What about husbands and wives who belong to different franchises?

They fuss over little matters to avoid the big doctrinal issues. They “filter out a gnat but swallow a camel.”

I asked one WELS member, “When are you going to admit that you are just as involved in Lutheran World Relief—with ELCA—as Missouri?”

All that fussing comes from using legalism to avoid dealing with the basic doctrinal issues, including the most important one – the Gospel itself – justification by faith.

Doctrine does divide – it divides the sheep from the goats. Paul said there must be heresies and divisions to prove or test what is the sound doctrine revealed by the Holy Spirit in the Word.

Lenski:
1) First, doctrine which consists of the clear statement of the divine facts on which alone faith rests. Next, admonition which presents the obligations involved in the faith that relies on the doctrine and thus deals with life and conduct in detail. The two stand in a vital connection, which fact also appears where the admonitions are supported by brief doctrinal additions.
After having set forth the great doctrine of the Una Sancta‚ Paul now tells his readers how their lives should be shaped in order to accord with the facts of this doctrine. This is very fitting after having shown that by faith in Christ they are all one in Christ in the Una Sancta although they were formerly Jews or Gentiles. Paul’s first admonition to the Ephesians is an exhortation that they keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace (v. 1–3). He elucidates and strengthens this first admonition by an explanation of the organism of the church which is so fitted together as to constitute a great unity in its members, their activity and work producing and conserving unity (4–16).
Lenski, R. C. H.: The Interpretation of St. Paul's Epistles to the Galatians, to the Ephesians and to the Philippians. Columbus, O. : Lutheran Book Concern, 1937, S. 504.

It is a great mistake to think there are many doctrines in the Bible, simply because we deal with one small area at the time. The Lutheran Reformers were careful to emphasize that there is one unified truth that unites the entire revelation of God’s Word. No one can bargain for or swap out a particular part of that doctrine without sacrificing the whole.

That is why the two foundational concepts of the Scriptures cannot be ignored or set aside with anything taught. If they are, everything based on the absence of those foundational concepts is in error.

That is one way to test what is being taught.

The two foundational concepts are:
  1. The Holy Spirit’s exclusive work in the Word – never apart from the Word, never preceding the Word.
  2. The efficacy of the Word – either as the Word of grace or the Word of condemnation and rebuke. The Word is never ineffective or without result and always accomplishes the divine will.

Many Protestants talk about Holy Baptism as an ordinance (law) that makes it a witness to our faith but not a divine act through the Word that takes away sin. Associating with them in worship and teaching (stealing their sermons) is the same as denying the foundational concepts of God’s Word. In effect – that mocks the Word of God, no matter how it is portrayed by the crafty salesmen of gimmicks.

I often read through the arguments of Universal Justification, even when they claim to have “both parts”! Absent always – the efficacy of the Word, the Means of Grace. Present always – this UOJ is true because Uncle Fritz said so.

Unity is not from organization or from men controlling others, but from the same doctrine of the Scriptures.
Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

As he did with the Philippians he started with behavior and moved into unity of doctrine and the true nature of the Gospel.

Man’s wisdom would be like this – You are fussing among yourselves. Stop it now. (The Law)

But when we consider the Gospel, the ordinary irritations of life fall away as trivial and not worth mentioning.

Paul was his most joyful when he was imprisoned for the faith. He spent a long time in prison due to a crisis in the Roman government. That enabled him to write longer and to lead the Christian Church through his helpers.

2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

In this verse he invoked the characteristics of Christ, which are conveyed to us through the Gospel and not through the Law. Considering what Christ is like and what God has done…

Ephesians 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

The unity of the Spirit is not a vague concept since the Spirit is often used in place of the Word and the Word always possesses the divine power and efficacy of the Holy Spirit. Thus the unity of the Spirit is the unity of the Word of God.

As Luther said – never even argue with someone who denies the inerrancy of the Word. There is no basis for any debate – it is a waste of time. Unity of teaching means we also enjoy the peace which is the fruit of the Gospel. That peace is not a worldly peace, lacking the cross and absent afflictions from our mortality, but a divine peace from forgiveness.

In short, Luther shows us in many sermons that believing in the Gospel is forgiveness, a simple plain idea taught from the very beginning of the Bible. As one of my students wrote this week, the Gospel began with Genesis 3:15.

Therefore, since all our sins are covered through Christ, and He sends them completely away, justification by faith, we are to do the same with others. That is the basis for unity, love, peace, and joy.

That bond is universal and transcends the limits of denominations. I cannot make everyone an orthodox Lutheran but I know others will listen to Luther’s doctrine because Luther’s teaching is the Gospel from a believer for believers. God will accomplish His purpose that way, just as He moved John Bunyan to write the greatest work of English, apart from the KJV, Pilgrim’s Progress, based on the Bible and Luther’s commentary on Galatians.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

God’s Word assumes a unity, not a diversity. That unity can only be derived from and based upon the Word of God, the Book of all books, the judge of all books.

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

God is not divided. Man divides Him – or thinks he can do that.

Quotations

"Since, therefore, so much depends upon God's Word that without it no holy day can be sanctified, we must know that God insists upon a strict observance of this command-ment, and will punish all who despise His Word and are not willing to hear and learn it, especially at the time appointed for the purpose."
            The Large Catechism, Preface, #95, The Third Commandment, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis:  Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 607. Tappert, p. 378. Exodus 20:8‑11.                

"Since it is God's gracious purpose to remove every hindrance to conversion by the means of grace, and it is still possible for a man at every point to continue in his opposition to God, a man is never without responsibility over towards the grace of God, although he may mock and say that, since God is the one who does everything for our salvation, then a man has no responsibility himself, as we see in Romans 9:19.  Cf. Theses 17 and 18."
            U. V. Koren, 1884, "An Accounting," Grace for Grace:  Brief History of the Norwegian Synod, ed., Sigurd C. Ylvisaker, Mankato:  Lutheran Synod Book Company, 1943, p. Romans 9:19.              

"It is God the Holy Ghost who must work this change in the soul.  This He does through His own life‑giving Word.  It is the office of that Word, as the organ of the Holy Spirit, to bring about a knowledge of sin, to awaken sorrow and contrition, and to make the sinner hate and turn from his sin.  That same Word then directs the sinner to Him who came to save him from sin.  It takes him to the cross, it enables him to believe that his sins were all atoned for there, and that, therefore, he is not condemned. In other words, the Word of God awakens and constantly deepens ture penitence.  It also begets and constantly increases true faith.  Or, in one word, it converts the sinner."
            G. H. Gerberding, The Way of Salvation in the Lutheran Church, Philadelphia:  Lutheran Publication Society, 1887, p. 145f. 
                        Law Causes Contrition          
"In like manner Moses must precede and teach people to feel their sins in order that grace may be sweet and welcome to them.  Therefore all is in vain, however friendly and lovely Christ may be pictured, if man is not first humbled by a knowledge of himself and he possesses no longing for Christ, as Mary's Song says, 'The hungry he hath filled with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away,' Luke 1:53."
            Sermons of Martin Luther, ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids:  Baker Book House, 1983, II, p. 149.

                         Gospel Only for Humble Sinners
"All this is spoken and written for the comfort of the distressed, the poor, the needy, the sinful, the despised, so that they may know in all times of need to whom to flee and where to seek comfort and help."       Sermons of Martin Luther II,  p. 149.


BBC documentary exposes 50-year scandal of baby trafficking by the Catholic church in Spain | Mail Online

Identity crisis: Randy Ryder as a baby being cradled in a Malaga hospital in 1971 by the woman who bought him

BBC documentary exposes 50-year scandal of baby trafficking by the Catholic church in Spain | Mail Online:

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Up to 300,000 Spanish babies were stolen from their parents and sold for adoption over a period of five decades, a new investigation reveals. 

The children were trafficked by a secret network of doctors, nurses, priests and nuns in a widespread practice that began during General Franco’s dictatorship and continued until the early Nineties. 

Hundreds of families who had babies taken from Spanish hospitals are now battling for an official government investigation into the scandal. 

Several mothers say they were told their first-born children had died during or soon after they gave birth.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049647/BBC-documentary-exposes-50-year-scandal-baby-trafficking-Catholic-church-Spain.html#ixzz1awpJVryH

Saturday, October 15, 2011

Luther Rocks - Fired



Luther Rocks:


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Shots Fired...
...across the bow that is:  See here.


They have stood up to the wrong teaching of objective justification in the WELS; they have stood up to the WELS leadership pushing for the NNIV; while also contending for the proper use of the Means of Grace.  Now they have incorporated; established officers and articles of incorporation (governing).  If I didn't know better I'd say they are in a state of confession.



Our prayers are with you.



The Word of the Lord endures forever!

Always Glad To Answer Jack Kilcrease, Son of WELS Pastor, Trained by ELCA, Teaching for the Antichrist, Doctrinal Expert for Paul McCain, MDiv


Dr. Jack Kilcrease

About Me

I am a layperson in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod and an adjunct professor of Theology and Humanities at Aquinas College in Grand Rapids. I grew up in Oregon and attended Luther College in Iowa (B.A. History and Religion) and Luther Seminary in St. Paul, MN (M.A. Doctrine and Theology). I graduated in 2009 from Marquette University with a Ph.D in Systematic Theology. My master's thesis was a comparison of Luther and St. John of Damascus concepts of Christology and atonement. My doctoral dissertation was a critique of the atonement theology of Gerhard O. Forde and my suggestion of a confessional Lutheran alternative. I am also the author of the following articles: "The ELCA, Homosexuality and the Orders of Creation," "Gerhard and Chemnitz on the Salvation of the Unbaptized," "Evangelical and Catholic? The Conservative Reformation's Scriptural Principle and the Catholicity of the Gospel," "Kenosis and Vocation: Christ as the Exemplar and Agent of Christian Freedom," "Gerhard O. Forde on the Law: A Confessional Lutheran Critique" (Forthcoming). I am married to the historian Dr. Bethany M. Tanis (now Kilcrease).



Dr. Jack Kilcrease has left a new comment on your post "Kansas City Bishop Is First To Be Charged Criminal...":

"ELCA paid $40 million for covering up the abusive past of a man they were too happy to ordain."

As a conservative Lutheran, I of course do not believe that we should cast stones at any one. In that you make a good point.

But, seriously, I mean, where do you get this stuff? Do you have any actual evidence of this? I personally don't care much for the ELCA, but this claim about the 40 million dollars doesn't sound very credible to me. I will totally believe it if you can come up with evidence.

Your response: Blah, blah, blah. You miss spelled (sic) a word. Blah, blah, you're secretly a Catholic. Blah, blah, UOJ is universalism. Blah.

No need for a response then.

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GJ - The lawsuit was settled for about $40 million, acknowledged in the ELCA news archives. If Jack wants to find it, he can spend some time doing research instead of proving how foolish he is.

Jack should be quite familiar with ELCA, since he went to one of their seminaries.

The story was widely discussed and so scandalous--even for ELCA--that several publications dealt with the details. Here is one by their well known Lutheran Forum editor. Below -

By Rev. Russell E. Saltzman

Copyright 2004 by American Lutheran Publicity Bureau - Kelmed without permission, for scholarly purposes.

This is very serious, very messy and potentially very, very costly to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). We are speaking of the lawsuit against Trinity Lutheran Seminary, Columbus, OH and the ELCA. We have mentioned it before (Forum Letter: 33:1).

The suit was instigated by the families of the teenage boys who fell victim to sexual molestation by Gerald Patrick Thomas. Thomas is the 1997 Trinity graduate who, at the time of his arrest, was serving an ELCA congregation in Marshall, TX. His 2002 conviction on multiple counts of sexual abuse resulted in a prison sentence of 397 years, reputed to be the most severe penalty ever meted out in such a case by any criminal court. The only comparable sentence we have heard about is 270 years given to a Catholic priest. The lawsuit is seeking more than $300 million from the ELCA and will be heard before Judge Bonnie Leggat in her Harrison County, TX district courtroom —— the same judge, incidentally, who presided over Thomas’’ criminal trial.

Were you to visit and click under the district court’’s jury docket schedule, you will find John Alfred Doe, et al vs. Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, et al scheduled for April 5, provided no settlement is reached in the meanwhile. We know that negotiations were held early February. We know, too, that the plaintiffs are confident, very confident, of going to trial.

Given the materials related to the case that we have in hand, we can understand why.

Depositions and memos

Forum Letter is in possession of the deposition of James M. Childs, one of the defendants named in the suit. At the time Thomas was a seminarian, Childs was Trinity’’s academic dean and is now director of the ELCA’’s sexuality task force. We also have several other depositions given by ELCA officials during discovery, including that of ELCA Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson, made in Chicago at the Lutheran Center last September 22. Additionally, we have copies of numerous internal seminary memos related to Thomas’’ internship and behavior while a student at the seminary, and we have memos from Bp. Kevin Kanouse, bishop of the ELCA Northern Texas/Northern Louisiana Synod related to the arrest of Gerald Thomas. Bp. Kanouse within days of Thomas’’ arrest specifically alerted a seminary official to a possible lawsuit.

From these items we now know that at least some Trinity officials were well aware of Thomas’’ problematic behavior with adolescent boys, and they were aware of it prior to his certification for call. They knew that while on his internship Thomas provided alcohol to adolescent boys in his apartment and allowed them to watch a same-sex male pornographic video. There was police involvement at the time, but no charges were filed.

Question in dispute

This incident did not end his internship, which concluded in the normal fashion. He returned to Trinity Seminary for his final year. The incident did merit an ""incident report"" by his internship supervisor, Pr. Melvin Swoyer, which is also in our possession. Seminary officials never shared the report with Thomas’’ synodical candidacy committee, though at least one memo speculates about the impact such a report might have upon a candidacy committee.

Further, seminary officials knew that a pastor in charge of an after-school youth program in Columbus, OH, where Thomas worked during his senior year, had also raised concerns about Thomas over the manner of his involvement with male youth in the program.

To be clear, the seminary faculty did not specifically vote to approve Thomas’’ candidacy. Instead, of three recommendations available to the seminary —— approve, deny, postpone —— the faculty took no action. None of the appropriate blanks were checked. In effect, the faculty rendered a ""no comment"" on the fitness of his candidacy for certification. We do not know what questions, if any, the candidacy committee may have raised given Trinity’’s lack of recommendation.

The issues around Thomas’’ behavior on internship and with the after-school program were addressed with Thomas.

How thoroughly and how seriously the seminary addressed those questions is the subject in litigation.

He was urged to seek therapy because of his unstable ""boundaries"" with teenage male youth. He never did, nor did anyone at the seminary insist. Moreover, they claim they could not. In the depositions we have seen, all plead a lack of authority to compel or require any student to seek therapy. That is probably so, absent a threat of dismissal. But there was not, in the seminary’’s opinion, reason to make therapy an absolute requirement before certification. Thomas’’ inaction in seeking therapy did raise concern with at least one seminary official, but by that time Thomas was certified with a call in hand to Marshall, TX.

Casting a wide net

Among those named as ELCA defendants from Trinity Seminary are: Brad Binau (who conducted several sessions with Thomas post-internship), Allan Sager (internship director), Dennis A. Anderson (seminary president at the time), Leland Elhard (then on faculty, now retired), Don Luck (faculty), Mark Ramseth (current president). Defendants from the Northern Texas/Northern Louisiana ELCA Synod include: Mark Herbener (synod bishop when Thomas was called to Marshall, TX), Kevin Kanouse (Herbener’’s successor and bishop at the time of Thomas’’ arrest), Earl Eliason (an assistant to Herbener, of whom more in a moment). Named as ELCA defendants are: H. George Anderson (presiding bishop during that period) and Mark S. Hanson (the present presiding bishop).

The plaintiffs, of course, cast as wide a net as possible hoping to haul in a big catch. Our opinion, the only names of merit in the lawsuit are the synodical and seminary officials.

Disingenuous discipline

Nonetheless, the deposition of Bp. Hanson reveals the plaintiff’’s interest, keen interest, in ascertaining just exactly how rigorously ELCA disciplinary policies on sexual misconduct are actually enforced. Any pattern of non-enforcement common throughout the ELCA arguably strengthens the plaintiff’’s case for negligence regarding Thomas.

In this respect, Hanson is asked about his period of service as a synod bishop. He is questioned, ""When you were synod bishop, did you have a lesbian minister in your synod?"" Hanson: ""I literally would have to take time to think through who was in the synod."" Next, ""Did you have a lesbian minister in the synod while you were bishop that was engaged in a committed sexual relationship with another lesbian and would not take a vow of celibacy?"" Hanson: ""I was never given allegations of that kind of behavior about one of the rostered persons in my synod by anyone.""

This may seem more than a little disingenuous. It is not, as some might suspect, a reference to the illicitly ordained Anita Hill who was never on the synod roster. Instead it refers to another pastor presently on the clergy roster of the St. Paul MN Area Synod.

Zipper troubles

What is evident is that some synod bishops construe an absence of formal allegations —— never mind how well-known the problem may be —— to mean it does not exist and therefore does not merit intervention by a church authority. The crisis of the Roman Catholic scandal, we point out, isn’’t just that some pastors acted badly, but that so many bishops failed in their responsibilities to enforce policies in existence. The similar factor here – which admittedly is an oversimplification – is the "old church" culture that would not directly confront rumored heterosexual misconduct, in the hope it could be dealt with "pastorally" among "old boys" in a "friendly" and "paternal" way. That often amounted to nothing more than allowing the pastor to receive another call. The egregious problem of pastors with multiple incidents of "zipper trouble" is one the ELCA has been forced to face. Meanwhile, though, since the ELCA does not know what to teach about homosexuality, the "paternal," "pastoral" approach, disgraced as a way of dealing with heterosexual predator offenses, seems to be alive and well when the context is homosexuality. In short, the once "tolerated" list of ""acceptable" kinds of sexual misconduct has been replaced by another one.

Little distinction

Questions surrounding disciplinary enforcement grew much sharper as the plaintiff’’s attorney raised in one deposition the instance of former Bp. Mark Herbener’’s assistant, Earl Eliason. Eliason installed Thomas at Marshall, TX in June 1997. Just four months earlier, Eliason had pled guilty to misdemeanor charges of lewd behavior with several men in a public restroom. No public action was taken by the synod bishop; what private action may have been taken is unknown. Eliason remained on Herbener’’s staff until Herbener’’s term expired. He took retirement shortly afterward and then resigned from the ELCA clergy roster in early June 2002, four months after the Marshall, TX lawsuit was filed.

It must be said the plaintiff’’s attorney makes little distinction between gay men attracted to teenage boys and gay men content with more age-appropriate partners. Yet the suggestion here is that in cases involving homosexual men and women, ELCA discipline amounts to a wink and a nod whatever risks exist, even when the risk is posed to adolescents and children.

When standards for pastors said to be devised in part to limit potential liability arising from misconduct are not enforced, a liability insurer conceivably is let off the hook. The insurance against liability is good only so long as the disciplinary policy, upon which the guarantee is based, is in fact put into effect.

This is what Trinity Seminary officials are accused of doing —— winking, nodding, going along, failing to enforce church policy.

Is that what happened?

As we said earlier, and we wish to stress it again, the issues around Thomas’’ behavior as an intern and as a student were addressed. At litigation is, were they adequately addressed? Testimony from the seminary officials involved asserts that the answer is clearly yes. As best they could view things at the time, there was not enough evidence to warrant Thomas’’ dismissal.

But this isn’t to say a Texas civil court jury will not view matters differently.



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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Always Glad To Answer Jack Kilcrease, Son of WELS ...":

Evidently, Jack was studying German in Dresden, Germany, when the lawsuit occurred in 2004, and he didn't hear about it. However, only two years after this mega-lawsuit involving the ELCA and homosexuality (mentioned several times in the press release about the case), Jack Kilcrease wrote an article on the ELCA and homosexuality, and yet he didn't know about this case. Of course, that's the norm for studies of homosexuality in the church--discussing deviant sexual behavior without any reference to crime statistics and criminology studies, and the actual experience of the church in these matters:

Homosexuality mentioned several times in press release about court case:
http://www.foclnews.org/Articles/Saltzman1401.htm
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Kilcrease's ELCA and homosexuality article:
http://theologicalresources.wordpress.com/2006/10/

Logia: A Journal of Lutheran Theology, Vol. XV, No. 4 (Reformation 2006)
“The ELCA, Homosexuality, and the Orders of Creation”, by Jack D. Kilcrease III.
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Kilcrease maybe in Germany in 2004 went the suit occurred:

http://www.aquinas.edu/humanities/faculty.html

Jack Kilcrease grew up in Salem and Portland, Oregon. He attended Luther College in Decorah, Iowa, where he graduated with a B.A. in History and Religion in 2001. He later attended Luther Seminary in St. Paul, MN, where he received an M.A. in Systematic Theology in 2003. He briefly lived in Dresden, Germany where he studied German at the Goethe Institute. In 2009, he received his Ph.D in Systematic Theology from Marquette University in Milwaukee, Wis. 



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GJ - Jack had to live in primitive conditions in Germany. The bathroom, in the home where he was staying, burst into flames. Fortunately the fire never reached the house.

Kansas City Bishop Is First To Be Charged Criminally With Sheltering Abusive Clergyman | Fox News

Kansas City Bishop Is First To Be Charged Criminally With Sheltering Abusive Clergyman | Fox News:

Kansas City Bishop Charged

'via Blog this'

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GJ - Conservative Lutherans cannot cluck their tongues. They have done far more in covering up multiple felonies, but they excommunicate for disagreeing with His Holiness the DP or SP.

ELCA paid $40 million for covering up the abusive past of a man they were too happy to ordain.

Friday, October 14, 2011

Bentonville Tigers No. 1 High School Football Team in US (Includes first-hand account)

Bentonville Tigers No. 1 High School Football Team in US (Includes first-hand account):



News bulletin from "Podunk-land," as they say in Appleton, Wussconsin, home of the pan-religious Thrivent company.

'via Blog this'

Roth to be installed bishop of ELCA Central/Southern Illinois Synod Oct. 15 - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

Roth to be installed bishop of ELCA Central/Southern Illinois Synod Oct. 15 - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America:

'via Blog this'

Born in St. Louis, Roth earned a Bachelor of Arts degree at Concordia Senior College, Fort Wayne, Ind. He attended Eberhard-Karls Universität, Tübingen, Germany, before earning a Master of Arts degree from Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tenn. He earned a Master of Divinity Degree from Christ Seminary-Seminex, St. Louis, and a Doctor of Philosophy degree from Vanderbilt University.

Following his ordination by the Association of Evangelical Lutheran Churches in 1981, Roth was assistant pastor at Grace Lutheran Church, Glen Ellyn, Ill., and prior to that a pastoral assistant at Lutheran Church of the Living Christ, Florissant, Mo.

GJ - Seminex men have done very well in ELCA. Their professors took over the Chicago seminary by working as a united block.

Thursday, October 13, 2011

Joe Krohn on the Ninevites

Don't think about it too long.

Justification by Faith Alone

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 13, 2011

Ninevites Affirm Justification By Faith Alone
Jonah 3 (KJV)
1  And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Emphasis mine.

Lito Cruz, PhD, on the Jay Webber Defense of UOJ



LPC has left a new comment on your post "Lindee Undercuts the Jay Webber Gambit: UOJ Is Ind...":

What Pr. Jay Webber did in quoting Rambach is so asinine.

1. It is clear UOJers argue by authority and not by Scripture exegesis nor by the Confessions.
2. For goodness sake, why bring to your aid, the quotation of an authority whose authority is dubious and whose reputation is questionable? This is so pathetic and disperate in trying to prop up a sinking boat -which over here in Aus would be called HMS - UOJ.

LPC

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Pietists Turn to 1 Timothy 3:16, But Lenski Is an ...":

Clearly UOJers are betting their farm on one verse which they imagine teaches UOJ and that is Rom 4:25. It seems that the Lutheran Pietism's exegesis of this can be traced back starting from Walther back to the Halle Pietists.

I remember Brett and I crossed sword with Kilcrease on this in 2010. Kilcrease should wake up to the data presented in this blog because that Pietist connection is the one he wished to deny yet, UOJ's Pietist connections are becoming as clear as day each time UOJers speak.

LPC
PS. I believe Pr. Rydecki is seing the light and the UOJ issues are now very clear to him. Praise the Lord for this.

Another Love Note from an Anonymous Stormtrooper

Who's the moron?


d3ee1598-f5b2-11e0-b80f-000bcdcb5194 (https://openid.aol.com/opaque/d3ee1598-f5b2-11e0-b80f-000bcdcb5194) has left a new comment on your post "Double-down on Martin Chemnitz":

Wow, you're a total idiot. Seriously? You can't figure out that words mean different things in different contexts- like that the word "justification" can refer to either the act of forgiveness or the act of receiving forgiveness. You moron! You got kicked out of 5 denominations and screwed up your family's medical insurance because you don't have a command of the English language! Unbelievable!

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GJ - When the arrow hits, the feathers fly. I wonder why two universities have me teaching the craft of writing.  My tummy was shaking with laughter while reading this hysterical post. Such Enthusiasm! Such courage!

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d3ee1598-f5b2-11e0-b80f-000bcdcb5194 (https://openid.aol.com/opaque/d3ee1598-f5b2-11e0-b80f-000bcdcb5194) has left a new comment on your post "Another Love Note from an Anonymous Stormtrooper":

My name is Rev. Rick Jordan. Sorry my name didn't come up. Nice to see your rhetorical strategy of pretending actual rational challenges are laughable is still in place. [GJ - Run-on sentence, gets a D in composition.] Enjoy your cult and your stupid followers.

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Look at this geneology, a fascination he shares with Jay Webber. Jordan is LCMS.

UOJ Stormtroopers Cannot Forgive the Unforgivable -
Asking Them Questions



SimpleMan has left a new comment on your post "Intrepid Lutherans: The Case of the Disappearing "...":

I'm not saying that I agree with Curia's conclusion, but I find it interesting that he says objective justification is not an official teaching of the WELS, and yet someone has now been taken off from membership in the WELS because of that very teaching which is not an official teaching.

GJ - Joe Krohn simply began to ask some questions and beg the congregation to study the issue. But he also opposed spending $45,000 on Cornerstone, a LCMS-WELS joint business that violates the code of ethical fund raising.

Rick Techlin sinned by studying the issues with other concerned laity and pastors in his district, asking for a meeting. Dugout Doug Englebrecht fired the circuit pastor who dared to discipline Tim Glende, ducked the carefully arranged meeting, and left a letter blaming this blog for the troubles he created with his incompetence and tolerance of false doctrine and plagiarism.

These jittery, thin-skinned false teachers in WELS say they want to reach out with love but they bludgeon their own members. Shepherds do not beat the sheep. Satan does that.

WELS has tolerated this situation since the 1960s, when the radical foundation for all this was created. Since then the old war horses--the real pastors--have been shoved aside or chased out of the Wisconsin Sect. The pastors and laity have tolerated this debacle, joining in shunning the shunned, so now they must pay the price. God allows false teachers to punish doctrinal laxity. "They flay their disciples to the bone." - Luther


Double-down on Martin Chemnitz



Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Pietists Turn to 1 Timothy 3:16, But Lenski Is an ...":

UOJists condemn those who, by the grace and mercy of God the Faither, Son and Holy Ghost, cling alone to Justification by Faith, rebuking Justification before and without faith in Christ.

UOJists declare the whole unbelieving world righteous by God's divine verdict before and without Word and Sacrament working faith in Christ's atonement. This includes the Antichrist.

Christ declares in Proverbs 17:15, "He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD."

Martin Chemnitz wrote against the Calvinists and the Roman Catholics.
At the peak of his career he was the senior editor of the Book of Concord,
the senior writer of the Formula of Concord.
Like Tyndale, he studied under Luther and Melanchthon.


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WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2011


Sodomites Refute Objective Justification...

...at least the false teaching of justification.

We know from Scripture that the Lord destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because there were no righteous people living there.  See Genesis 18 &19. He spared Lot, his wife and two daughters.  Even their righteousness was questionable when you read the account post flight.

From WELS confession of faith:

"IV. JUSTIFICATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH

1. We believe that God has justified all sinners, that is, he has declared them righteous for the sake of Christ. This is the central message of Scripture upon which the very existence of the church depends. It is a message relevant to people of all times and places, of all races and social levels, for "the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men" (Romans 5:18). All need forgiveness of sins before God, and Scripture proclaims that all have been justified, for "the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men" (Romans 5:18)." 


According to the WELS all men have been declared righteous before God.

But Moses writes by divine inspriration thus:

From the KJV; Genesis 18 - 19:

"23And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?24Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?...32And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. 33And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place...24Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;25And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground...27And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD: 28And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace."

Emphasis are mine.

Make Smoke, Disappear.
Jay Webber and the Evangelical Lutheran Synod

"Pietists are orthodox when they agree with my opinions."






David Jay Webber said...
I knew that Rambach was a pietist. I was not using his observations on this verse to discredit Chemnitz, but to supplement Chemnitz. His exegesis and reflections stand on their own, and should be evaluated on their own merits, regardless of what he might have said on other topics on other occasions. And it is also clear that on this topic in particular, he was not inventing a new pietist notion, but was recapitulating the orthodox teaching of the orthodox theologian Quistorp. Theologians with pietist leanings were not wrong in everything they said, especially when they were repeating the sound teaching of orthodox theologians of earlier times.


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GJ - Quistorp is a theologian so obscure that people confuse the father and the son. As one Lutheran layman used to say, "Any excuse will do."

Pietism is Calvinism in the disguise of Lutheran doctrine and worship; therefore, it is neither Calvinism nor Lutheranism. Now we witness the Intrepid interloper, Jay Webber, defending Pietism when it supports his precious UOJ.

Walther was a cell-group Pietist who allied himself with another cell-group Pietist, Stephan. The Stephanites brought their cell group methods over the America, just as Stephan brought his Halle Pietism into his ministry.

Pietists Turn to 1 Timothy 3:16,
But Lenski Is an Antidote



KJV 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was
  1. manifest in the flesh, 
  2. justified in the Spirit, 
  3. seen of angels, 
  4. preached unto the Gentiles, 
  5. believed on in the world, 
  6. received up into glory. [numbers added by GJ, to show the Trinitarian form].



Lenski:
When and how was Jesus declared righteous by God? In and by the act of raising him from the dead. Men had nailed him to the cross, condemned him to the cross as one accursed of God, for to be hung on wood meant to be declared accursed of God; him God raised from the dead, him God thereby declared righteous. God’s forensic judgment was analytic: Jesus himself was declared righteous; it was not synthetic: another’s righteousness was not imputed to him. On Christ’s sinlessness note John 8:46; Heb. 10:7, 9; 7:26; 4:15. Why this signal act of declaring Jesus righteous? He is made “unto us righteousness,” 1 Cor. 1:30; “he was raised for our righteousness,” Rom. 4:21; “that we might be made the righteousness of God in him,” 1 Cor. 5:21; Rom. 10:4.

The phrases match the verbs; a person would not be manifested “in spirit,” the manifestation would be “in flesh,” for when “flesh” is used to designate the whole human nature, as it is here, it includes body, soul, and spirit and thus the whole visible, bodily life that is manifest to other men and manifesting the kind of person one is. So Christ was manifested “in flesh,” and John 1:14 says, “we beheld his glory,” etc. But one is not justified or declared righteous “in flesh” but “in spirit,” for one’s spirit is judged when a justification occurs; here it was Christ’s spirit of holy obedience unto the death on the accursed cross.
Lenski, R. C. H.: The Interpretation of St. Paul's Epistles to the Colossians, to the Thessalonians, to Timothy, to Titus and to Philemon. Columbus, O. : Lutheran Book Concern, 1937, S. 611.


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GJ - The misuse of 1 Timothy 3:16 shows how rationalism works. Man has no parallel with Christ, yet they create one in their minds. They attack the majesty of Christ in doing so. They have God declaring Christ righteous in the same way man is declared righteous. They conclude that all of mankind is declared righteous in the resurrection of Christ. Thus they connect this verse and Romans 4:25 with their fake exegesis.


One flaw alone defeats their scheme. Christ did not die as a sinner. He died as the Holy One. The resurrection revealed this holiness to the world.


KJV Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see
corruption.

To have the world declared righteous, a rolling righteousness that seems to take effect before birth, according to that whack job Ed Preuss, is the fantasy of UOJ. And how does that happen without the Word? No one has explained it, as much as they posture about their exegetical skills.

Somehow this point-in-time world absolution must move forward as people are born, since they are born forgiven, but no one deals with pre-resurrection world absolution. Abraham was justified by faith in the Old Testament so Sodom was justified without faith? Let me be the first to acknowledge confusion.





Lindee Undercuts the Jay Webber Gambit:
UOJ Is Indeed Pietism

Johann Jacob Rambach, Halle Pietist.


From the Intrepid Lutherans, On UOJ:

Rev. Webber,

I've been away from my desk for several hours now, and I notice that I have been addressed in several posts, above, but your last post is foremost on my mind at the moment. I am disappointed. Of course, none of us have ever heard of this theologian you quote with distinction, Johann Jacob Rambach, and use to discredit the orthodox theologian Martin Chemnitz in his exegesis of 1 Tim. 3:16. One of us Intrepids -- not me, not Rev's Rydecki or Spencer, but one of us who does a lot of work behind the scenes -- began feverishly researching this theologian, to find out who he is. You quote Rambach from Schmidt/Marquart, so perhaps you don't really know who he is, either. I assume, in all charity, that you don't.

What our fellow Intrepid found is that Rambach was a confessing Pietist. In fact, several essays from the WELS essay file identify and criticize him as such:

Pietism’s Teaching on Church and Ministry: As Evidenced in its Pastoral Practice
After Three Centuries - The Legacy of Pietism
Agreement on the Correct View of the Authority of Scripture as the Source of Doctrine: The Way to Unity in the Church
A Historical Survey and Brief Examination of the Hymnbooks Used Within the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod
The Confessional Lutheran Emigrations From Prussia And Saxony Around 1839

When I found out about this, I immediately pulled my copy of Loescher's Timotheus Verinus off the shelf, only to discover that Loescher really had nothing to say about the man. But when I pulled Schmid's History of Pietism down, and search for Rambach, I discovered that he was no ordinary Pietist. He was a Halle Pietist, and a close associate of Hermann August Franke. Schmid, on page 319, identifies Rambach as a Halle Pietist and compatriot of Franke, and credits Rambach for his accomplishments in the area of hermeneutics -- which is, no doubt, how it is that we find him prominently mentioned in F.S Schmidt's work. However, on page 320 Schmid qualifies his praise of such pietists, stating that their accomplishments are low compared to the harm caused by them: the use of such accomplishments was for the purpose of discrediting orthodoxy. And here we are now, treated to the authoritative work of a German exegete of whom we were happily ignorant, who is marshaled for the purpose of discrediting Chemnitz and elevating UOJ, only to discover that this man was a bona fide Halle Pietist, and that he engaged his work, alongside that of Franke and other radical Pietists, to serve the design of toppling Lutheran orthodoxy.

Continued in next comment...
You know, we at IL have been very careful, for the sake of fraternity, to avoid mention of his name or reference to his research on this subject. But the prominent use of a Halle Pietist, who produced his work at the pinnacle of the period of radical German Pietism, to discredit an orthodox theologian like Chemnitz and instead supporting the teaching of Universal Objective Justification, only proves Dr. Jackson's thesis: UOJ did emerge from Halle Pietism. I myself, up to this point, have been skeptical of this thesis, as my own extended and personal contact with confessing Pietists has had me convinced that they are not guilty of distinguishing Objective from Subjective aspects of Justification -- certainly not to the elevation of the Objective! -- as everything for them is Subjective. But rather, I had thought, they are guilty of separating (subjective) Justification from Conversion. You yourself have read Iver Olson's Baptism and Spiritual Life, and know precisely what I am referring to. To me, if there was anything to Dr. Jackson's connection of Halle to UOJ, it was in later Halle Rationalism. But now there can be no doubt. Rambach, a bona fide Halle Pietist, supplied the foundation necessary to topple formerly orthodox teaching on the matter of Justification.

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Jay Webber's post on Intrepid Lutherans:

O.K., one more post, and then I will try to honor Paul's wishes and not post anything else beyond his topical restriction...

I can understand why Chemnitz would read 1 Timothy 3:16 in this way. But his reading does not rule out what I would consider to be a necessary corrolary to such a "personal" justification of Jesus. The 18th-century Lutheran theologian Johann Jacob Rambach makes the following observation in his Ausfuehrliche Erklaerung der Epistel an die Roemer (p. 322), regarding the Lord's payment and satisfaction of sinful humanity's "debt" to God:

"Christ was in his resurrection first of all justified for his own person, Is. 50:51 Tim. 3:16, since the righteousness of God declared that it had been paid and satisfied in full by this our Substitute, and issued him as it were a receipt thereof; and that happened in his resurrection, when he was released from his debtor's prison and set free. But since the Substitute was now justified, then in him also all debtors were co-justified."

Later in that commentary Rambach also writes (in a way that shows that he has 1 Tim. 3:16 in mind):

"The justification of the human race indeed also ocurred, in respect of the acquisition, in one moment, in the moment in which Christ rose and was thus declared righteous; but in respect of the appropriation it still continues till the last day."

GJ - I appreciate Jay Webber confirming my thesis and Doug Lindee acknowledging it. Many people have helped sort out the details and causes. The Knapp connection came from another researcher. The laity have been the most insightful and clear-minded about this. They started me on this research, kept after me to continue, and continued to encourage me.



Luther's greatest single book and
Bunyan's favorite, next to the Bible.
Bunyan wrote Pilgrim's Progress,
once the best-selling English book after the KJV.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Pietism and UOJ? Jay Webber Jumps Up To Prove the...":

Webber got the Rambach quote from volume III of Walther-Baier, pp. 271-3. Here is another translation of that quote:

J. J. Rambach: “Christ was in his resurrection first of all for his own person made righteous, Isa. 50:5, 1 Tim. 3:16, then the righteousness of God declared that from this our surety may be paid out and we are fully freed, and he is like a receipt given, and this happens in his resurrection; there he leaves his shield-tower and is placed on free feet. There now the surety is justified, thus in him also all debtors will be made righteous.” (Ausführliche Erklärung der Ep. and die Römer, p. 322).

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Lindee Undercuts the Jay Webber Gambit: UOJ Is Ind...":

Did (W)ELS Pastor Jay Webber happen to remember the name of the Bus that just hit him?

By the grace and mercy of God he will repent of his error concerning the central and chief article of Scripture and turn in God given faith to Christ alone for forgiveness and life.