Monday, August 2, 2010

Does This Sound Like Columbus, Ohio WELS?

BENNY HINN AND PAULA WHITE: COLLUSION OF RESPONSES

Republished from Surph’s Side with permission:
The lawyers of Benny Hinn and Paula White sure have been busy coming up with a response they both could print. Unfortunately for them, it proves this has been a collusion and that they are orchestrating things together. Inspired by Ken Silva at Apprising Ministries, I decided to show “side-by-side” (blogspot won’t let me do side-by-side columns), their words which are nearly verbatim, with only minor differences. This is underhanded to manipulate their followers as well as the media. However Scripture says those of God do not use such tactics:
2Co 4:1 Therefore, having this ministry by the mercy of God, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God.
Both Hinn and White are not of Christ as their doctrines and practices prove. Therefore, collusion, underhandedness, demanding $2 million (to pay for this collusion?), is not a shock nor a surprise. Its just more proof they are false prophets/teachers and they are two birds of a feather.
The National Enquirer:
Paula White’s Response
Last Friday, the National Enquirer released a dishonest and misleading article which falsely characterized my friendship with Pastor Benny Hinn. The publication, which is known for its bias and slanting of the truth, tries to mislead readers regarding the ministerialrelationship and friendship I have had with Pastor Benny for over 20 years.
Benny Hinn’s response
As you may be aware, the National Enquirer recently released a dishonest and misleading article which falsely characterized my friendship with Paula White. The publication, which is known for its bias against religious figures, misleads readers regarding the ministerial friendship I have had with Paula White for over 20 years.
May’s taping of “This Is Your Day”:
Paula White
In late May of this year, I went to tape a “This Is Your Day” broadcast with Pastor Hinn.Although I had not seen him in years, the taping gave us the opportunity to catch up on what has transpired in both of our lives. As someone who also endured a painful and public divorce, I was able to offer him insight and spiritual encouragement. Since that time we have continued to talk and our friendship has grown stronger but has remained morally and spiritually pure.
Benny Hinn
In late May of this year, Paula White came to tape a This Is Your Day broadcast with me.Although I had not seen her for years, she was an encouragement to me and shared helpful advice out of her own painful experience. As a result, I will not deny that the friendship has strengthened, and, while it has remained morally pure at all times, I have enjoyed the company of someone who has also gone through the trauma of a painful and public divorce.
Forcefully renounce and not morally impure :
Paula White
I publicly profess and forcefully renounce assertions that the recent trip to Italy to meet with Vatican officials suggests that the friendship is in any way improper or morally impure.
Benny Hinn
And so I am writing to tell you today that I forcefully, categorically, and absolutelyrenounce the lies that have been spread about me and want to set the record straight with you. There is nothing inappropriate or morally improper about my friendship with Paula White.There has been no immorality whatsoever!
Traveled indepentantly and never alone:
Paula White
We traveled independently to the region for respective ministry duties and, while there,spent time together along with others. We were never alone and were in the constant company of staff and other associates.
Benny Hinn
The truth is that we traveled independently to the region for respective ministry duties….Paula was likewise invited to have meetings in the region, and, although we spent time together, we were never alone and were in the constant company of staff and family members.
The original appears at Surph’s Side with a comments section right here.
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Mrs. Hinn has her own ministry.
Here is Benny's shocked statement that his wife was leaving him and filing. They were living apart.
Fire on the kids - sick manipulation of the vulnerable.

Craig Groeschel Fact Page




How To Plagiarize Legally

Groeschel on Plagiarism

Screaming is a typical Reformed gimmick
to sell the Gospel, to be entertaining.

Intrepid Lutherans on Groeschel.

Craig Groeschel preaching.


Craig Groeschel and Andy Stanley (Babtist) often conduct Catalyst conferences together. This is a fairly recent one.

Groeschel was born in 1967 in Texas, grew up in Oklahoma, attended a Methodist university (Oklahoma City U.) and pursued a degree in marketing. He attended Philips Seminary, which is affiliated with the ultra-liberal Disciples of Christ, the denomination of Jim Jones and Donald McGavran.

He married Amy in 1991. They have six children.

He was a United Methodist minister in 1995 when the Oklahoma City bomb blew up the federal building and severely damaged the nearby church where he worked.

In 1996 he began a church in a two-car garage, apparently because his denomination did not want him to start a mission church. Like Hybels of Willow Creek, he began with a marketing survey. The church grew rapidly and became Life Church - with the URL of LifeChurch.tv.

The New York Times reported:
He set up a website for people to post "secret confessions," an idea copied by Pastor Ski at The CORE.

The Catholic Church noted this new trend started by Groeschel.

USA Today says:

"Of the USA's 100 largest churches, 67% now have two or more sites and 60% of the 100 fastest-growing churches also have multiple sites, according to the annual listings of the USA's largest churches in Outreach magazine's October issue."



The most innovative churches in America are:

· LifeChurch.tv (Edmond, OK) :: Craig Groeschel

· Mars Hill Church (Seattle, WA) :: Mark Driscoll

· Granger Community Church (Granger, IN) :: Mark Beeson

· Flamingo Road Church (Cooper City, FL) :: Troy Gramling

· Seacoast Church (Mt. Pleasant, SC) :: Greg Surratt

· Saddleback Church (Lake Forest, CA) :: Rick Warren

· Mosaic Church (Los Angeles, CA) :: Erwin McManus

· Fellowship Church (Grapevine, TX) :: Ed Young Jr.

· North Point Community Church (Alpharetta, GA) :: Andy Stanley

· Willow Creek Community Church (South Barrington, IL) :: Bill Hybels

· National Community Church (Washington, DC) :: Mark Batterson


"Granger broke the rules when his church plastered mylamesexlife.com billboards around the local city, which stirred debate among Christians and a media storm. LifeChurch.tv went out of bounds when it launched the multi-site movement, which includes an internet campus for worship services. And Life Church's senior pastor, Craig Groeschel, broke the rules when he went into bars to meet "the sick" and tell them about Jesus."


Groeschel motto: "In order to reach those that no one else is reaching, we will have to do things that no one else is doing," he said.

Groeschel began as a United Methodist minister but is an Evangelical Covenant minister now. The Evangelical Covenant church is Pietistic and related to the Swedish Augustana Synod which merged into the LCA in 1962.

Groeschel's thoughts about the United Methodists can be found linked here.

He claims 21,000 in attendance each week.

He may not have been the first to promote multiple sites, but he is known for them now. He began using video when his fourth child was born and he could not lead services.




Blusterers for Christ Responds with the Usual Charm Offensive





Greetings:

There was a recent posting on your webpage called Building Better Prisons. There was information on the page that is false. The Builders For Christ program is not looking to build a church in Thailand. We were asked if we knew of anyone that might have interest in supervising the building of a small church. I supplied names of some individual that might have a interest. This is not a project of the Builders program. I would suggest that before you publish information that you check the facts instead of just running at the mouth. You not helping any when you have no idea what you are writing.

Building to His Glory,

Dale Mueller, Director

Builders for Christ

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GJ - Nice to hear from you, Dale. I posted what someone heard, based on his extensive connections and thorough research. I reread the post. No concrete plans were announced. I believe the idea was to remind people of how much was spent on Prairie just before it was given away to the state.

The Shrinker faction forced WELS into an emergency purchase of the campus, a Catholic school far away from the WELS population.

The point is - WELS has wasted millions and is likely to waste even more.

I suggest reading all 4,000 posts on Ichabod before writing a caustic email message.



Lutheran Situational Awareness Test




Sunday, August 1, 2010

Unbearable Dumbness of WELS -
Minnesota District Holds Youth Rally in Appleton: Love-N-Ex Rules



Learn from the best.


I got out Google Maps and found that the concentration of WELS members in the People's Republic of Minnesota live far away from Appleton, Wisconsin, a circuit known for plagiarism, unionism, and the Popcorn Cathedral of Rock.

District youth rallies are normally hosted in the same district, simply because travel becomes a hardship and also a cost on top of room and board.

So why did this happen? This event is an example of solidarity among the Church and Money Changers. I imagine the two DPs got together and struck a deal to show WELS who was running the show.

Alternately, WELS members need to face the facts about the other administration. They voted for SP Schroeder, but a shadow government runs WELS - The Love Shack in Exile, or Love-N-Ex. The apostates pushed out of power are united in their lust to regain power, not that they have lost much. They all have plush salaries and positions - Kelm, Bruce Becker, and the rest.

Their odious lobby continues - Church and Change. When a few people got together for a cooperative blog, WELS had a collective hissy-fit and worried that I was involved.

I am guessing that Appleton is tottering from all the attention on this blog. This Minnesota road trip is a way to shore up their apostate friends and to prove the Love-N-Ex is in power, even though not officially in office. Elections are an adiaphoron. What matters most is what people do - what they believe, teach, and confess.

In Appleton, they confess Groeschel, Driscoll, Sweet, and Stanley.

Taxpayers Members are paying for this through their offerings.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Unbearable Dumbness of WELS -Minnesota District Ho...":

A government in exile (gov-n-ex) occurs when rulers have to physically move because of an invasion from the outside or an internal coup. The gov-n-ex takes residence with a nation that is sympathetic to them or perhaps has a symbiotic relationship with them. Here is the key: the gov-n-ex still makes the claim of legitimacy. They maintain that they are the duly elected or appointed leaders. Their hope is to physically move back to where they were once the craziness ends.

This would be the case with the Love-N-Ex. They consider their situation temporary. It is the drunken sailor three steps forward one step back scenario. It also gives them some feedback about what not to do. They may try to be even more underhanded and less brazen.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Unbearable Dumbness of WELS -Minnesota District Ho...":

You got that right, the "Unbearable Dumbness of WELS," but for the wrong reason. If you are going all the way to Wisconsin for a youth rally, might as well have it at the Wisconsin Dells water parks. That would put the Arizona districts youth rally at the Wet N' Wild water park to shame!

http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2010/07/wels-youth-mystery.html

excerpt: We spent a day at the Wet N' Wild water park and enjoyed mixer games and devotions.

The Minnesota Youth Rally in Appleton WI web page is here:

http://www.welscyd.net/site/default.asp?sec_id=180000504

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GJ -

Bruce, that would deny the teens their chance to tour the Thrivent home office in Appleton, aka LB-N-Ex.


Church Growth Slide Rule Shows How Close



What Is Wrong with Objective Justification and Subjective Justification?




But I read it in Christian News!


Les Baker has left a new comment on your post "Knapp's Portrait Contributed by...Someone":

Just a question:

When the terms SJ and OJ are used they seem to me to be the same as imputing of faith and atonement. (OJ and atonement being equal terms.) That is how I learned it from my pastor and how I continued to learn as I studied on my own.

"Words of Dr. E. W. A. Koehler (A Summary of Christian Doctrine, Second Edition, p. 149): “Justification is that forensic” (judicial) “act of God, by which He, on the basis of the perfect vicarious atonement wrought by Christ, declared the whole world to be justified in His sight (objective justification), and transmits and imputes the effect of this declaration to all whom He brings to faith by the work of the Holy Ghost through the means of grace (subjective justification).”

Can you explain to me how this is incorrect? My son led me to your blog 2 days ago and we have been discussing this issue. He seems to agree with your view, but while talking about it it sounds the same as what I have listed above.

Thanks for your answer.

Les Baker

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GJ - The key phrase is "declared the whole world to be justified in His sight," which is a bit milder than many formulations.

The essence of UOJ or OJ is the entire world being absolved of sin. Do you believe that Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Judas Iscariot have the status of guilt-free saints?

One problem is "already forgiven," as the Brief Confession of Missouri says. When you were born, were you already forgiven? If so, why were you baptized?

If the entire world is already forgiven, how is that different from Universalism? In fact, ELCA teaches the exact same concept of the Gospel.

The Atonement means that Christ has paid for the sins of the world. Atonement is not justification, just as baptism is not communion, even though both are sacrament.

The Atonement is the Gospel message, the treasure. As Luther and the Book of Concord say, the treasure lies in one heap until distributed by the Holy Spirit in the Means of Grace.

There is no justification without faith. Unbelievers remain under the wrath of God. In faith they receive the Gospel promises and are declared forgiven.

If you thought OJ was synonymous with the Atonement, you were like me and many others. I know Syn Conference pastors who thought that is what OJ was - the Atonement.

Here the Gospel in a few simple steps.

Robert Preus once taught UOJ, but he repudiated it in his last book, Justification and Rome.

God's forgiveness is grace, and that grace only comes to us through the Means of Grace. To claim grace without the Means of Grace is Enthusiasm, which is roundly condemned in the Book of Concord.



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Scott E. Jungen has left a new comment on your post "What Is Wrong with Objective Justification and Sub...":

Thank you, thank you! Now I understand what UOJ is all about. Thank you for spelling it out so simply. Remember, I'm WELS trained so it took me a little longer to get it!

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GJ - Support of UOJ is crumbling, Scott. One reason is that WELS stepped into it during the Kokomo Statements crisis, then refused to deal with their error, for fear of exposing the non-infallibility of the sect. Those who advocate UOJ do so from bluster, not from doctrinal arguments or exegesis.

Walther was right about this - error has to be exposed first. Hiding it away is not the same as making it go away.



Building Better Prisons



Do not question the WELS papacy.
The Holy Spirit does not allow them to err.


bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Thai One On with Dave Kehl - Genius Advisor to the...":

Builders for Christ has been looking to build a church somewhere in Thailand, if it hasn't already been started. That would be like the WELS, though, building a nice new building and then leaving. The WELS is like the Boy Scouts and always leaves an area better than it found it. For example, the Prairie du Chien state detention facility has a first-class music facility thanks to the WELS.

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GJ - Bruce is referring to the $500,000 music building which was added to Prairie when WELS was already going to close it.

The president of NWC was shocked when he solicited a large gift for a library building at Watertown: WELS demanded the 10% fee for Planned Giving. Yes, the Tetzels get a commission, just like the parish consultants and WELS stewardship consultants. He said, "I got the gift, why surrender the fee?" WELS demanded it anyway.


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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Building Better Prisons":

Your caption is right. The relentless use of the 8 and 18 switch is really just a back door method of claiming infallibility. The pope is saying right now, "If only the RCC had gone about it the way the WELS has, it would have saved us a lot of trouble." But just as infallibility has led the RCC to become corrupt and led it deeper into heresy, the same goes for the incorrigible WELS. Infallibility is why there's never been a serious study of UOJ and where it really came from exactly.



The Ninth Sunday after Trinity



By Norma Boeckler


The Ninth Sunday after Trinity

Pastor Gregory L. Jackson

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bethany-lutheran-worship

Bethany Lutheran Church, 10 AM Central Time


The Hymn # 628 Shepherd of Tender Youth 3:74
The Confession of Sins
The Absolution
The Introit p. 16
The Gloria Patri
The Kyrie p. 17
The Gloria in Excelsis
The Salutation and Collect p. 19
The Epistle and Gradual
The Gospel
Glory be to Thee, O Lord!
Praise be to Thee, O Christ!
The Nicene Creed p. 22
The Sermon Hymn #283 3:90
Strange Parable
The Communion Hymn # 307 Draw Nigh 3:72
The Preface p. 24
The Sanctus p. 26
The Lord's Prayer p. 27
The Words of Institution
The Agnus Dei p. 28
The Nunc Dimittis p. 29
The Benediction p. 31
The Hymn # 50 Lord Dismiss Us 3:86

KJV 1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

KJV Luke 16:1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. 2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward. 3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed. 4 I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses. 5 So he called every one of his lord's debtors unto him, and said unto the first, How much owest thou unto my lord? 6 And he said, An hundred measures of oil. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty. 7 Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore. 8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. 9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

Ninth Sunday After Trinity
Lord God, heavenly Father, who hast bountifully given us Thy blessing and our daily bread: We beseech Thee, preserve us from covetousness, and so quicken our hearts that we willingly share Thy blessed gifts with our needy brethren; that we may be found faithful stewards of Thy gifts, and abide in Thy grace when we shall be removed from our stewardship, and shall come before Thy judgment, through our Lord Jesus Christ, Thy Son, who liveth and reigneth with Thee and the Holy Ghost, one true God, world without end. Amen.

Strange Parable

This parable is the strangest of all parables, but we have to look at the intentions of Jesus.

A lot of people clustered around Jesus for the benefits. Enormous crowds followed Him, but they left the moment He said something they did not like. One example is in John 6, when they said, “This is a hard saying. Who can listen to it?” And they left.

Jesus often questioned their motivation, since they liked the mass feedings and the miracles.

Therefore, the parables were designed only for believers to understand. When an unbeliever hears this parable, or if someone listens to it superficially, it is a complete puzzle.

The plot itself is rather simple. The manager of the estate has done a poor job, so he is going to be fired. To provide for himself, he goes to those who owe his master money and lowers their bills, making them his friends. We expect the master to imprison the steward for costing him money, but he commends the steward instead. If that is not confusing enough, Jesus offers the unjust steward as an example for believers – for the children of light.

How do we make sense of this – Make friends for yourself of unrighteous mammon, so that when you fail, they may receive you into the everlasting habitations?

Anyone can say, without being contradicted, that the church leaders of today have been unjust stewards of the treasures they were given. Unjust is another word for unrighteous.

The squandering of the treasure is obvious. ELCA comes to mind first, especially if someone has read the classics from the 19th and 20th centuries, all from ELCA pioneers: Reu, Jacobs, Krauth, Lenski, et al. My wife and I were talking about the congregation and pastor I worked for in Kitchener, Ontario. He was so conservative and liturgical by today’s standards that he could not get a call in most areas of WELS, Missouri, or the ELS. But, after 40 years, that same congregation is conducting homosexual weddings and already had an Anglican bishop as an interim pastor.

WELS, Missouri and the mini-micro synods want to use ELCA to make themselves look good, but they have squandered just as much, with the same speed. My first visit to a Missouri church took place in high school – a matter of curiosity for those of us who had never been to one. We met at a school gym and used the 1941 hymnal, which was very much like the one we used. At our allegedly liberal LCA congregation, youth meetings consisted of using the hymnal to learn liturgical services like Vespers and to sing Lutheran hymns. The ministers wore liturgical robes (not Geneva academic gowns) and sometimes chanted.

Now Missouri and WELS think youth gatherings should be as pagan as rock concerts. In fact, they are rock concerts and the rock n roll has moved into the Sunday service itself.

Thus far the parable. The wealth has been squandered. In the Bible, wealth is primarily the spiritual treasures of the Gospel, since money is a small matter to God.

The spiritual treasures have been squandered to such an extent that frauds either promote Roman Catholic or Fuller doctrine and call themselves “confessional Lutherans.” My Shelties know more about Lutheran doctrine than the DPs and seminary professors, so the frauds all promote one another and praise one another, world without end, Amen.

So what should we do, according to the parable? Even a bad, lazy, crooked steward knows what to do. He makes friends with that same mammon (money) he has squandered. He was foolish before but now he is wise. They will take him in when he is fired from his stewardship, because he has befriended them.

Jewish reasoning is often from the minor to the major. In other words, if this bad steward can figure it out, so should the believers – but they are often foolish.

Jesus never said, “Be crooked and wily.” He said, “Be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves.”

So, if an unjust steward can figure this out, why not follow him in his cleverness?

People long for the power and money of the established churches. But what they do have is far more powerful. They have the free use of the Word and many ways to spread that Word of God for free.

A few people have noticed that it is possible to communicate with 20,000 people for free, all over the world, when others spend millions to do the same thing.

This is one way to make friends in the best sense, to unite people according to their faith in the Word of God.

It is strange that everything gets turned upside down. Money itself has only short-term use and has no eternal value. The treasure of the Gospel is a blessing now and in eternity.

When we help people out, we often complain, “We did not get any thanks for it or even a returned favor.” That is really a barter situation, not a gift. If I get a returned favor or thanks, I am not truly giving something away, whether it is my time or something with monetary value.

This parable teaches, “Make friends with money and they will speak for you when you get to heaven.” (Luther) I see this as encouragement to think of those who receive from us as our defense lawyers when we reach Judgment Day. The New Testament has an odd way of balancing faith alone and those good works which follow faith. The good works are a visible testimony to our faith. They do not add to, do not complete faith (as the papalists teach). It is a matter of order.

The situation will be reversed in many cases. There will those who reach Judgment Day who have been honored by the visible church for funding all their buildings. But if they broke up their own families and others, if they lied and cheated people through life, will God be impressed with their honorary doctorate from Fleabit College? Who will speak for them? The apostate church leaders will already be on slow roast.

The early Christians took note of the advice given by Jesus. They had nothing and were nothing, but they spread the Gospel throughout the world. They used hospitality the way we use the Internet today. They had secret signals, like the fish. Deprived of great marble temples, they used the tombs below ground. Persecuted, they took the Gospel to new places. Imprisoned, they preached to their jailers (see Acts) and baptized them. Slain, they died in peace in front of raging beasts, shaking pagan Rome to The CORE.

Thai One On with Dave Kehl - Genius Advisor to the WELS Feminist Conference



Church and Money Changers rule the roost.


Moral has left a new comment on your post "Church Growth in WELS":

update on Thailand:

while the two missionary positions were eliminated for "budget cuts," a WELS church has been able to go Galt and independently support missionary Meister.

This is bad news for the Thailand mission committee, consisting of Dave Kehl and Ken Pasch. So much so that they decided to call one of their own (Ken Pasch) to be the Thailand Mission Coordinator, while the Meisters are still in Thailand.

Pasch, by the way, doesn't have over ten years of language, culture, and relationships like Krohn. Pasch, by the way, doesn't have over 17 years of Thai language, culture, and relationships like Meister.

Corporate America take note: I haven't seen a hostile takeover go down like this in years. All the while, the committee can claim to be doing the will of God.

Hit me with the 8 and 18 bait and switch in 5...4...3...2...1...
(but if you do, please demonstrate to me where I am in error).




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GJ - Richard Starr was head of the Brazilian Church Growth experiment, but he never learned Portuguese. The issue is doctrinal fidelity (to Fuller) not language ability. One day they will post a brass plaque at the mattress room entrance to note that.


Church and Money Changers Sell You the Shovel To Dig Your Own Grave





Ex-Sp Gurgle and Patterson should conduct a synod-wide workshop on stewardship,
with the freewill offering going to hunt kudu deer and zebras.


rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "July Page Views For Ichabod":

It still astonishes me how so many look up to the Church and Money Changers. What is worse is that anyone would pay them to tell you how to dig your own grave. In fact, you even have to buy the shovel from them. Presently, many of them are running scared. With a minimum of 37,000 page views on Ichabod just last month, their gig may soon be up. Because of their laziness, few of them could work in the real world. Our teenage daughter just started her first job in the real world. She has already commented about eight hour work days. She will learn persistence just by going to work every day. It is not hard work to oppose the Church Shrinkers. The Holy Spirit working through the Word does the work. Luther commented that sometimes, it will take 20 years to see results. Opposing the Shrinkers may get you funny looks. That is a small price to pay for defending the faith. In this case, the opposite to the Church and Money Changers laziness may be having just one Luther moment and staying with it.

July Page Views For Ichabod


37,000+ page views in the month of July, anno domini 2010.

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Persistence is the key. I look at my list of blogs and see relatively few updates. Aristotle said, "Patience and courage are so closely related that one is either the mother or sister of the other."

The Church and Money Changers are lazier than a trust fund kid. They cannot even invent their own false doctrine. They have to borrow it from Fuller, Willow Creek, Groeschel, Granger Community, Trinity in Deerfield, Mars Hill, Northpoint, and Leonard Sweet's Space Academy.

Outproducing them is no problem.

Saturday, July 31, 2010

Hide Your Kids From This WELS Youth Rally



"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, why Appleton?
I forgot - the fix is in.
That's why."


One Eponymous Archon (https://me.yahoo.com/oneeponymousarchon) has left a new comment on your post "Missouri Synod's Rock N Roll Youth Rally - And Hig...":

Rev. GJ,

Found out a few days ago that the Minnesota - repeat, Minnesota - District (WELS) Youth Rally will be held in Appleton, WI. No doubt that the fake "rev." Ski person and Soul-killer Glende will be main attractions. Maybe they will even get their Bible boobs (opps, excuse me, babes) to attend.

WELS is so dead its (sic) really beginning to stink like last month's baloney!

One Eponymous Archon

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GJ - Don't fail to miss this one. Entertainment:
1. Doug the Unready will send a letter to be read, explaining that the low attendance is the fault of Ichabod and its eeevul author, Greg Jackson.
2. John Parlow will give Hybels' latest sermon and channel Willow Creek emotions most effectively.
3. Paul Calvin Kelm will explain that his Fuel Bible study failed at The CORE because of Ichabod and the eevul Greg Jackson.
4. Tim Glende will warn the youth about the dangers of reading Ichabod, urging them instead to read the fake Ichabod, wink wink.
5. Bishop Katie will have a cameo appearance so no one finds out why she quit at The CORE, even though she did all Ski's work for him.
6. Ski will deliver an original message - gasp - on celebrities he has known and hugged. Later, he will narrate a tour of his office and explain each celebrity photo for the drooling teens.

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St. Peter's features Schwaermer-Vision:


Mission/Vision

Mission

At St. Peter Lutheran Church our mission is to love God, love one another, and share God’s love with whole world

Vision
When Jesus was asked what the greatest commandment was he replied, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” He continued, “And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Matthew 22:37-29 NIV) Jesus made our mission as Christians pretty simple: love. First God, then others.

Jesus Christ is the leader of our church at St. Peter. He guides the lives of his people through the Gospel and the Holy Spirit. In addition to loving God and others Jesus commands us to reach out with the Good News of salvation through faith in Jesus to those who do not know the Lord and to nurture our members with God’s Word. We want to be faithful to God’s mission here at St. Peter and so we strive to first Love God and our fellow Christians and then share that love with the entire world who (sic) has not yet heard of the wonderful story of Salvation.

GJ - For examples of Pastor Tim's love of God's Word, see his cloning of Craig Groeschel sermons and materials. For examples of his love for others, read the fake Ichabod blog and the late, unlamented Anonymouse Shrinker blog.

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Pastor Tim Glende a.k.a. Pastor Tim


5 ways to describe you: Blessed by God. Loves his family. Passionate about sharing Jesus in the Valley. Hard worker. Obsessive about Ohio State Football – “Go Bucks!”.

What you do at St. Peter: Lead pastor and main preacher for weekly worship, with main ministry responsibilities being administration, worship, and working with our school board, staff, and students.

Before St. Peter: Attended High School at Michigan Lutheran Seminary (Saginaw, MI) - Class of 1990; Attended Northwestern College (Watertown, WI) - Class of 1994, Graduated from Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary (Mequon, WI) with a Masters in Divinity – Class of 1998; 1998-2006 - pastor of Star of Bethlehem Lutheran Church in Urbana & Savoy, IL.

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GJ - I can imagine the sweat breaking out as Pastor Tim copies Groeschel. That is so much harder than writing a sermon.

It is hard work to deceive people all the time. Deception requires a great memory, remembering all the lies and keeping them sorted out.

Defending The CORE is not so difficult. Money talks, doctrine walks - in WELS. Patmos is not an island of suffering and persecution in Appleton, but Tim and Ski know that already.


Missouri Synod's Rock N Roll Youth Rally - And Higher Things


It is funny, the good guys picked a good hymn with a pagan background. I believe Freddy Finkelstein had the details about it. The official LCMS Youth Rally is just one step away from what ELCA is doing - having a big Gay Lesbian group grope.

Missouri voted overwhelmingly to remain bedmates with ELCA.


Church Growth Methods,
Because They Care about Your Miserable Soul



"Lupine? No I am ovine.
Baaa-ah. See?"


bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "New Gurgle-Patterson Site Less Than Three Bunny Ho...":

CGer disregard what are known as "parish boundaries." This was a major complaint against the Methodists and other revivalists (CG heroes) of the past--that they'd set up shop right on the doorstep of the traditional churches from which they wanted to, and would, draw members. In other words, Methodism didn't grow so fast legitimately, and any net gain of Methodists meant a net gain of zero Christians for Christendom. CG is a zero sum game at best.

CGers influenced by synodicalism still put church growth way ahead of the idea of serving a wider area of the US just so current WELS members wouldn't have to travel as far to church. Nor are they above competing with, or duplicating the efforts of a like-minded church in its own parish.

Synodicalism for CGers means not putting a church right across the street from a church of the same synod, while synodicalism for everyone else means serving the next town over.

A CGer who is slightly synodical will merge two churches into one (Kokomo), a CGer who is a bit more synodical will put his venue a block away (Appleton), while a CGer who wants to continue using the synod as an ATM will put a church 2 to 3 miles away (Austin), and a CGer who is about as synodical as they get will put a CG church a whole 5 miles away from other synod churches, provide it's smack dab between two WELS parishes on major roads (Rockford).



Watch WELS waste millions of dollars in the name of missions.



Bible Babes

Ski and Glende's Bible Babes


WELS church lady has left a new comment on your post "Slaughter of the Lambs":

Hi Brett! Strange, I viewed Pastor Ben's Blog just yesterday. I was also going to post some things, but you BEAT me to it! Did you see the name of the ladies bible class? It is called, "Bible Babes." Now my pastor would NEVER allow anything like that.

In Christ,
from WELS church lady

Asking about the Murderers



Dr. Pangloss has left a new comment on your post "Happy Birthday, Bethany and Erin Joy":

Where can we find more information about the Just and Tabor murders?

This is very cryptic.

Love your blog, Greg!

Paul

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GJ - WELS Pastor William Tabor was at Salem in Milwaukee when his mistress murdered his wife in their home. Most people assume he was directly involved, either pulling the strings or finishing the job. Tabor received a call to Escanaba, Michigan. I am not sure if it was before or after the murder. He went to Escanaba and served there for a year or two, messing up another group of people. The chief of police in Milwaukee retired, sorry that he never put Tabor away. The editor of the Northwestern Lutheran (Mischke's buddy) told me that Tabor's file was empty when the police came asking for it. I know from several sources, including Bischoff (Trinity, Bridgeton, Missouri) that people wrote WELS warning letters about his adultery in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. WELS took him in and set him up in a mission church in Cape, knowing he was unfaithful and fathered a child in his own parish.

Al Just was a WELS teacher at Arizona Lutheran Academy (Phoenix), where CrossWalk channels Andy Stanley. Just claimed his wife rolled over and over a steak knife in bed. The father of the First VP in WELS organized a busload of Just fans from New Ulm to back up poor Al at his trial. Huebner's father, president of DMLC, testified FOR Just. The jury voted to convict Just, who married his children's baby-sitter while in prison.

Just insisted he was innocent, and many WELS church workers still believe that lie. Just also confessed his guilt to someone. A staffer at MLS wrote me an angry email, telling me that his Uncle Al was an innocent man. I was slandering him. The murderer served only a few years in the clink.

WELS has an obligation to report major crimes within their synod. Covering them up with silence or denials is a new crime.

WELS District President Ed Werner went to state prison for molesting girls in his own congregation. All the pastors knew he was doing it, but they kept re-electing him. Finally, the previously molested mothers of the girls he was currently molesting called a stop to it.

In Michigan, WELS Vicar Scott Zerbe went to state prison for having an affair with a minor girl during his vicarage. Pastor Fred Adrian, who was chairman of the District Mission Board, wrote two versions of Scott's vicarage report - one knowing about the affair, the other not knowing. The girl's family sued WELS in court and won an initial amount of $400,000. Adrian wrote his congregation a letter, saying in effect, "Don't worry. Insurance will pay for it." The WELS lawyers immediately appealed the verdict.

In court WELS denied knowing about any other scandals involving their church workers. I supplied the girl's attorney with names, dates, places. When she gave that to the judge, the court ordered WELS to tell the truth. That is what broke the case open. The criminal element in WELS has been trying to get even with me ever since, not that they were very nice before.

Fred Adrian resigned from the ministry for another reason, but he is back in a call in Michigan. The Good Ol' Boy Network never fails one of their own.

The Werner and Zerbe stories should have been in FICL too.

The CLC (sic) is just as bad.

McCain said Missouri had to get tough because it was costing them so much money in lawsuits. I will let his fanbase absorb that insight from the Purple Palace.

There are many details that only hurt the victims of these crimes.

Ex-SP Gurgle was a DP when he managed to use up the entire estate of MilCraft, which was to support the man's widow during her lifetime. She had to sue to get some money from WELS. The WELS response was "We have to be more careful about which gifts we accept from now on." Robbing widows is mentioned in the Bible.

Gurgle was so good at managing money that WELS elected him SP to stop amalgamation, which he immediately pushed forward.

Now Gurgle is doing the same for Texas.

Someone could do a crime series on WELS.


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Scott E. Jungen has left a new comment on your post "Asking about the Murderers":

I was a DMLC student during the time of the Al Just murder trial. Somebody used the school's mailing list to ask for funds for his defense. My father received one of these letters. I tried to explain to him what happened after he asked.

About a year ago I had a WELS teacher tell me how he knew of someone else who accidentally rolled over on a steak knive in bed. See, it could happen! Therefore Al Just was not guilty.

Even after thirty years people still have a hard time believing that a called worker could do such a thing. Sad!

Time Is Running Out and Pastors Do Not Do Their Jobs


Meanwhile, future ELCA pastors are blessing their compost tumblers in the chapel
at Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago.



Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Bored Advice":

I agree with Brett Meyer and Bored in this respect - if the synod cannot face its doctrinal apostasy, there is no hope. That may happen in time, but many laity will have to force the issue.

A note about time. Many currently think they have time and will address the apostasy and blatant errors later, when time permits or the situation becomes such that they won't stand out as much as if they nipped the issue in the bud alone and at great cost now.

Time. There is very little of it left. A realistic view of what the current and future government(s) intend to allow as far as open confession and practice concerning Scriptural doctrine and how long they will allow the internet to be open and free will show that there is very little time left to benefit from such an expansive and informative resource. It's a reminder of the Biblical account of the bride grooms and the oil in their lamps. Many are putting off today what they will not be allowed to do tomorrow. If they will not promote and defend right doctrine and practice today (in alignment with Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions) for the price of a few skinned knuckles, what will they do tomorrow when the price is your life of the lives of those they love.

Time. There's very little of it left. And by the grace and mercy of God this continues to be more and more true as the glorious day of Christ approaches. May the Lord grant His Church an abundant harvest while it is still day and His Word continues to be taught in it's truth and purity.

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viewpoint (http://viewpoint.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Rebuke False Doctrine":

Yes, reprove, rebuke, exhort false teachers and pastors with all longsuffering and doctrine wherever and whenever you find them. Failure to do so has led to the current state of apostasy. Truth be known such pastors and teachers do NOT know best. They do NOT even care about the truth.

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GJ - The vast majority of clergy will do nothing.



Friday, July 30, 2010

Rebuke False Doctrine

Patmos

bored has left a new comment on your post "Bored Advice":

Pastor Jackson

Point taken. I didn’t really want to go on record giving advice to “leave the WELS”. I guess I did, and I should be more careful.

To correct that I’ll say that we desperately need every person willing to ask the hard questions AND provide the right answers: the Word. Laymen need to encourage their pastors in this. It’s really difficult to be beholden to the WELS in the way that so many pastors are, and laymen should not abandon their pastors in this fight. That would be as bad as withholding our tithes, and requiring our pastors to live in poverty.

Let’s each encourage those men given spiritual authority in the WELS who wish to see the synod rebuke and correct it’s errant members. Let’s pray for them to have the raw guts it’ll take to accept the risk, to speak with the audacity and clarity of Martin Luther. Prayer is the next best step.

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GJ -

KJV 2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

I am not saying "Stay" or "Leave" but "Rebuke false doctrine." Everyone who is ordained pledges to obey these verses posted above. The verses do not say, "Keeping in mind the PR of the synod..." or "Deceive people so no one knows who the criminal clergy are."

WELS is especially vulnerable to protecting the synod's image first, which has led it far deeper into the Slough of False Doctrine than most people realize. One can trade on a reputation only so long. If hundreds of people see the links and the photos, month after month, they will realize that the PR is more than a smoke screen - it is a fog bank.

Someone could say as much about the Little Sect on the Prairie. They were running Thoughts of Faith as a carnival of wasted money and corruption. But the synod leaders act as if their feet never touch the ground, and the sick are healed, whenever they raise their predestined and predestinating arms in blessing.

McCain in Trouble at ALPB Online

ptmccain
ALPB Contribution Leader
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Posts: 601



Editor McCain,

Some of us here appreciate and wish to continue to hear Pr. Austin's reflections on the LWF assembly. This is your last chance. Here's the deal: I am asking you to STOP commenting on any of the threads related to the LWF. If you fail to do so, I will suspend your membership on the forum until after the LWF assembly is over. Are we clear?

Whatever you say, Moderator Johnson.



ALPB Online Forum

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GJ - Note that McCain has 600 posts on a forum he quit because it was harming his mental health.

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Daniel has left a new comment on your post "McCain in Trouble at ALPB Online":

This ptmccain character joined my website (it was a somewhat successful Christian forum community) after a discussion started about the new Lutheran study Bible a few months ago.

I thought it was strange at the time that he would do so, for no other reason than to support the sales of the bibles. Apparently he doesn't have better uses of his time?

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GJ - I read things from all over, which takes some time, but I only post at Extra Nos. Commenting all over would take a lot of time, so I have to conclude that blogging is his main job at CPH.

I read ALPB because it gives me a perspective on ELCA and liberal Missouri. McCain is the only person I have seen warned on that site. It may have happened to someone else, but I have not witnessed it. Generally the discussions are fairly light in tone. Perhaps McCain has been on LutherQuest (sic) too much.


Slaughter of the Lambs

Avoid WELS tattoo artists. Seriously.



Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Here Is an Idea for Those Who Follow Babtist Stanl...":

Thought people should read the blog of Pastor Ben from Victory of the Lamb, WELS. A few real, relevant and relational statements that can be read online and in context are:

"First off we’ve got Hallepalooza! coming up this Friday, July 9th, from 5-8 pm at Lions Legend Park in Franklin. In case you’re wondering, you are invited! This is our party in the park with live music, free food, kids’ events, karaoke, horseshoes, and door prizes donated by local business. Come whenever you can after work. Food will be served from 5:30-7. I’ll be leading a devotion from God’s Word at 7:00 and door prize giveaways will be after that."

"Twice a month, I regularly invite people at worship to text me whatever questions they have on my sermon. We then have a Q and A time during the service when I do my best to answer some of those questions."

"As for me…I have no hidden agenda. I just love to help people like you see what the Bible actually says so that you can make up your own mind about it on the basis of at least knowing what it says."

"So maybe the timing wasn't right even though we though it was. Maybe God wants me to spend more time develping leaders from within our church."

"So let me just share some more exciting news about our church. This week Thursday, God-willing, our church will we get a second pastor to complement me and we’ll learn who he is. I am really pumped about this. After a couple months of planning and prayer we’ve been able to request a graduate from Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary. I’ll be the lead pastor who’ll focus on outreach, preaching, worship, and leadership. Our second pastor will primarily be a discipleship pastor. His main roles at first will be to teach a weekly Bible study, to get to know our people and help them find a plan for individual and family spiritual growth, and to develop and oversee a plan to connect people in small groups gathered around God’s Word on a regular basis."

"Bible Quest: is our awesome ministry for kids ages 2-10 which takes place during the regular Sunday morning worship service."

http://pastorbensblog.blogspot.com/

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GJ - Church and Change? You betcha.

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Joseph Schmidt has left a new comment on your post "Slaughter of the Lambs":

"develop and oversee a plan to connect people in small groups gathered around God’s Word on a regular basis."

Yay! Cell groups. Haven't those been tried before?

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GJ - When will WELS leaders admit that cell groups are Pietism and Enthusiasm? Here is an easy way to do it - I went to John Lawrenz and said, "How could you write a book for home Bible studies when you know that is the essence of Pietism?"

He was very emotional, but he never addressed the question itself.

That is all it takes - direction questions - plus a mass exodus of members and money.

Later I learned from the Church and Change listserve that he was a contributor to the whole problem.


Apology and Correction

True contrition.


I wrote that Ichabod was averaging 1,000 page reads a day. The figure is running 1,300 to 1,500+.

I apologize for the error.


Bored Advice

Perusing Ski's photo albums is an education in itself.
"Foward (sic) this newsletter..."
Two full-time employees and they cannot run a spell-check.



bored has left a new comment on your post "Scott Makes Some Valid Points":

Scott

To answer your question about where to go: I can’t be certain there’s anything close…don’t know where you live. But http://www.lutheranliturgy.org/ is a trustworthy site for finding a congregation, in my experience. If you live in the Milwaukee area email me at boredbyyourrhetoric@gmail.com I can give your more specifics about Milwaukee churches.

Rev. Gary Gelbach, the site administrator, has done good work. I’ve used his site on several occasions to find a church. No church is perfect of course, and I couldn’t swear that every church listed is Confessional, but it seems to be true that (most often) if a church uses the historical liturgy they also teach Confessionally sound Lutheran doctrine.

I think Scott, to find a place where you can receive the benefits of the divine service without having to dance the hokey pokey, you might have to bail on the WELS, if no Confessional WELS church is close. Your allegiance lies with correct doctrine? Then go where the doctrine is good, regardless of the acronym. Both LCMS and WELS have officially sanctioned error being taught and promoted. Both have great churches. The only difference is that the good guys in the LCMS will admit to anyone their synod’s problems and the good guys in the WELS won’t. With this in mind, does it matter whose doctrine of Fellowship is right? LCMS has no standards for who stays in their synod, and the WELS has standards but doesn’t enforce them. Which is better?
(hope the bus tire marks come off your shirt.)

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GJ - I appreciate the guest bloggers today. I agree with Brett Meyer and Bored in this respect - if the synod cannot face its doctrinal apostasy, there is no hope. That may happen in time, but many laity will have to force the issue. Too many clergy have been abused to expect leadership from them.

The answer is not getting rid of Doug the Unready, but applying the Word until he cries "Quia." No one has done that. He was allowed to promise a meeting about Fox Valley, skip the meeting, leave a letter (!), and blame me (?). That was when the entire ministerium should have marched with torches and pitchforks. But I guess the meeting was a secret. Sure, keep everything a secret so no one can discuss the incompetence of the leaders.

In short, applying the Word is the solution, not going or staying or using a website. We must sow patiently.

T

Scott Makes Some Valid Points




Scott E. Jungen has left a new comment on your post "Disgusted, Not Bored":

Bored,

I second Brett's "Hear, hear." My only question is this: If I would shake the dust off my feet and "blow town", to where should I go? ELCA?,LCMS?

To me, the WELS on my personal congregational level is still the place I want to be as a Lutheran, even in the Northern Wisconsin District!

I joined Intrepid Lutherans because I finally found a group who was at least willing to admit there is a problem. Would I like to see names called out and people held accountable for their false teaching? Of course I would! Will it happen right away? I doubt it.

Remember, the WELS has been in the spiritual cancer of the Church Growth Movement for over thirty years. This type of deep rooted problem does not go away in a day or a year. Keep speaking, praying, and the powerful Word will do what the Lord intends it to do on His timetable, not ours.

Crawling out from under the bus,

Scott

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GJ - Scott has made some good points. The chief one is that turning to Confessional Lutheran doctrine will take time - if it happens at all. I trace the Shrinker Movement to 1977, when the odious TELL magazine began, with the approval of SP Naumann.

For that to happen, pastors had to be working on a palace revolution before that time. Now the two colleges and the seminary are subsidiaries of Fuller, Willow Creek, and Mars Hill. The Love Shack and FICL (pronounced Fickle!) are vessels of dishonor.

From Luther's death to the Book of Concord took 24 years, from meltown to publication. Luther's approach was to apply God's Word and let His will take effect. Luther was excommunicated, so the Evangelical Lutheran Church was born.

We have the advantage of knowing Luther's doctrine - if we do - and possessing the Book of Concord - if we study it. I cannot say what the best approach is for each individual. I have confessional friends everywhere.

The foundational issue is applying the Word. Faith makes us bold.


Happy Birthday, Bethany and Erin Joy


Bethany Joan Marie at four months.


Erin Joy loved her swing.


A cluster of birthdays includes Mrs. Ichabod, Alicia Meyer, the sainted Walter Boeckler, Bethany and Erin Joy, all within a few days.

Bethany and Erin Joy are the stars of Angel Joy, the title based on their nicknames. Nurses always called Bethany "Angel" for her curly blond locks. Erin was so full of joy that the nurses called her "Joy," surprised at seeing it was her middle name. We used to say "Where's the Party?" was her middle name.

Look at my daughter's faces. I baptized both of them. The fake blogger used the death of both girls to attack me for questioning UOJ, Church Growth, and clergy adultery in WELS. I am pointing that out so the readers understand the criminal nature of WELS leadership. Nothing is too low for them.

Criminal actions have consequences. If the perps escape the noose in this life, they still have the next life to answer for their actions. Matthew 7:15ff comes to mind.

When you hear a WELS apostate talk about the Eighth Commandment, remember the helpless children they use as a smokescreen for their evil.

Remember the late Mrs. Al Just, murdered in her own bed.

Remember Mrs. William Tabor, shot to death in her own home by her husband's mistress.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Happy Birthday, Bethany and Erin Joy":

Angel Joy is a wonderful book that is a testament to the supreme efficacy of the Word and the everlasting grace, abundant mercy and loving kindness of God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

The Lord's will be done,
In Christ,
Brett Meyer