Friday, February 25, 2011

Yale Classmate Downsized at ELCA Headquarters,
Gets Gig as President of Failing Seminary.
Raised on a "Diary" Farm

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Saturday, April 2, 2011
The Rev. Stanley N. Olson, PhD
Thirteenth President of Wartburg Theological Seminary

10:00  AM
HOLY COMMUNION WITH INSTALLATION
St. Joseph The Worker Catholic Church
THE REV. MARK S. HANSON
Presiding Bishop, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Presiding and Preaching

12:30  PM
CELEBRATION LUNCHEON
Grande Ballroom, Hotel Julien Dubuque
Please click here  to RSVP for the Celebration Luncheon
RSVP by March 18, 2011

2:30  PM
PRESIDENTIAL ADDRESS
Loehe Chapel, Wartburg Seminary
“Gathered, Sent, Learning”

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The Executive Director

The Rev. Dr. Stanley N. Olson

The Rev. Dr. Stanley N. Olson
Pastor Stan Olson has served since November 2005 as executive director for the Vocation and Education Unit of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA).

From 2002 to 2005, Olson was executive director for the Division for Ministry of the ELCA. Previously, from 1994 to 2002 he served as the bishop of the ELCA’s Southwestern Minnesota Synod. Olson was senior pastor of Our Savior’s Lutheran Church in New Ulm, Minnesota, 1987-1994, and associate pastor of First Lutheran Church in Duluth, Minnesota, 1976-1983. In the years between those Because of Christ, THE WORLD. Because of the world, VOCATION. Because of vocation, EDUCATION.two parish calls, he was a professor of New Testament at Luther Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota.

Olson was raised on an Iowa diary (sic) farm. He is a graduate of two ELCA colleges (Waldorf and St. Olaf) and of Luther Seminary. He holds a doctorate from Yale University where he wrote a dissertation on the rhetorical uses of hope and confidence in New Testament and other ancient letters. He is the author of many articles and of Christian education resources for children, youth and adults.

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GJ - Policies pursued and affirmed by Olson have downsized ELCA many times now. He was a division executive, but that position was eliminated. This last position was apparently eliminated as well. I imagine they no longer pay a website developer, because the same mistake has been there for over a year, and he has been gone from this job for months.

John C. Zimdars, Jeske, Seibert Foundation:
Why You Are Lint in the Toes of the Synod's Big Boot

Standing astride three synods at once, cuz the ELS don't matter at all,
Mark Jeske defies ecclesiastical authority
and the murmurs of the hoi polloi.


The Intrepids are intrepidly waiting for an answer. The WELS Conference of Pussycats (not to be confused with the Missouri Council of Pussycats) has begged, pleaded, or cajoled Jeske and Ski to withdraw from the Seibert Foundation shindig the boys helped plan.

A total of twelve (12!) WELS pastors have signed the letter against this event. That is prit-near 1% of the entire WELS ministerium. In other words, 99% do not care.

Jeske is the biggest gasbag of the bunch, so he is the main speaker.

Ski is valued for his ability to copy and paste Groeschel sermons, download Groeschel graphics, and dance to Groeschel's music. Except for Tim Glende, no one has attended more religious conferences of more denominations than Ski.

If I did not have pressing duties, like ironing my alb, I would be there to listen to both of them.

Let me see what else this opportunity affords.

A Missouri Synod pastor, Jeff Meyer says on the brochure (not making this up, mind you):

"It is my personal vision to become the Lord's master fire-starter."

No, that is not a mistake. The same claim can be found on his blog.

Also from Pastor Jeff:

My daily focus is to:
Fix my eyes on Jesus,
Ignite a passion for Jesus,
Renew hearts and lives, &
Empower each person to be a healthy, productive leader.

He digs Visioneering, by Andy Stanley, closet Babtist.

Plenty of diligent research will uncover the fact that it is a Missouri Synod church.

the Church is a ministry associated with the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. We are firmly committed to the mission of connecting people to life in Jesus. As we do, Jesus is transforming us into people who are living a connecting lifestyle. What is a connecting lifestyle? It is a life that is lived on purpose, attempting to connect others to life in Jesus by sharing the love of God and the message of Jesus Christ. It’s not a program or event, it’s a way of life!

Rev. Jeff Dorth has this illiterate paragraph on his beliefs page:

Holy Spirit
We believe the Holy Spirit is active among us today bringing conviction when a person has done wrong and creates the desire for ones (sic) forgiveness in Jesus Christ. He regenerates their (our?) heart and lives within them. His ongoing work is to guide, instruct and empower the believer (another change of person) to Godly (sic) living.

The same confusion can be found at another LCMS church here. Verbatim! Whom copied whom, as they say in Mequon. Neither congregation shows a whiff of Lutheran doctrinal knowledge. Both are feathered with Schwaermer language.

Line Up for Gay Marriage
Since Thrivent is involved, ELCA was not neglected. Rev. Ken Wheeler has an urban congregation in Milwaukee, Cross Lutheran. I wonder how they announce "The Cross Lutheran Ladies will meet on Tuesday" etc.

Cross is a Reconciling in Christ congregation.

The stated purpose of this all-synod (except the ELS) conference is - to rescue Lutheran congregations from catastrophic decline. Thrivent did the same thing 18 years ago with the lavishly funded Membership Initiative, which also involved all three synods.

This reminds me of a passage in Hitchhiker's Guide, where the use of the Babelfish allowed all civilizations to understand perfectly what the others were saying. That unleashed the bloodiest war in galactic history.

Likewise, all three synods declined even faster after the last Thrivent rescue attempt.

Can you envision  anything here except massive egos, false doctrine, and begging for grant money?

The "conservative" Lutheran congregations are now so bankrupt that they have to steal members from the Enthusiasts by being Enthusiasts, hiding the Word and Sacraments, driving away the last remaining confessional members.

Most of the clergy do not give a rip, because their own leaders have been in on this scam for about 40 years.

John C. Zimdars is a very big deal in insurance, estate planning, and investments. He is involved with Wisconsin Lutheran College and Time of Generic Grace. In other words, it takes big bucks to be on these boards. Zimdars is also on the Seibert Foundation board.

Here I am, doing your homework, finding the links.

The Mariology Dossier — complete set of links « Churchmouse Campanologist

The Mariology Dossier — complete set of links « Churchmouse Campanologist

Pope John Paul II is bowing before a statue of Mary.



Pope John Paul II is bowing before the Fatima statue of Mary.



Over the past few days, I have seen several searches for my Mariology dossier from November 2010.  No one has found all of them, so to make things easier, here are links to the entire set.
Informative and educational, these will no doubt answer a number of questions you might have about how Mary is viewed within Christianity:

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GJ - Traditional Roman Catholicism is Mariolatry.


CM's post on the Monster of Calcutta is one of the favorites of the readers. I appreciate his effort in finding out the truth and publishing it.

Siebert Lutheran Foundation:
Daddy Warbucks Alert

Siebert Lutheran Foundation



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GJ


http://www.zimdars.com/ - Zimdars is on the board of the Siebert Foundation. He is on the boards of Time of Grace and Willowcreek's Liberal College.

WELS at Work - Quote Luther When Opposing Lutheran Doctrine



Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Stranded on the Shoals of UOJ with Cap'n Huff N Pu...":

I was reading through the (W)ELS South Central District UOJ essays again and came across this footnote which quotes Luther and speaks directly to why the Lutheran Synods are unable to resist the siren calls of the New Age religion and their progressive fellowship with the Church of the Antichrist.

Luther is also among those who reminds us of the great blessing that this article of justification is: “What are all creatures in comparison with the doctrine of justification? If we understand this article correctly and purely we have the right heavenly sun, but if we lose the correct understanding of it we have nothing but the darkness of hell. One can never praise it highly enough
and defend it sufficiently….Where this article remains pure Christendom will remain pure, in beautiful harmony, and without schisms. But where it does not remain pure it is impossible to repel any error to heretical spirit. And St. Paul says specifically of this doctrine that a little leaven ferments the whole lump [1 Cor. 5:6]” (Tappert 164‐165). (Lutheran Confessional Theology in America: 1840‐1880. Edited by Theodore Tappert.© 1872 Oxford University Press, Inc.)
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http://scdwels.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/justification-paper.pdf

Stealth in Gay ELCA

Guard dogs, ELCA Headquarters, Chicago.


Pastor George Erdner

American Lutheran Publicity Bureau

I am 99 44/100% certain that you are correct about that.

I did receive this in an e-mail today:

from synodical bishop's current newsletter to his congregations in Eastern Washington, Idaho:

"The Emmaus Community of Idaho Falls has named itself for the road of companionship with Jesus in Luke 24:13ff. This new community has been formed among those who are proud to be part of the ELCA in Idaho Falls. We expect that they may be received as a Synodically Authorized Worshipping Community at our Synod Assembly in June."

It should be noted that they are so proud to be part of the ELCA that the word "Lutheran" appears no where in the church name. That's some serious pride, isn't it?

Thursday, February 24, 2011

Yale Divinity School Memories

Here we are in our YDS student housing, with Little Ichabod.
LI just won a special award in computer science at Walmart headquarters.
He is also fluent in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, German, and Spanish.


Yale Divinity sent me their magazine today, listing all the big donors. I looked for alumni news and saw my classmates going into active retirement, changing jobs. One person, younger by seven years or more, has a a series of blogs, so I looked them up.

The blog posts stirred up many memories, because the author knew the same faculty, including Roland Bainton, author of Here I Stand, A Life of Martin Luther, the all-time best seller for Abingdon Press. Bainton posed twice with LI, once holding him in a baby carrier, the second time at Sterling Library when we came through on a visit.

Yale was too big and too old to promote the conformity of mediocrity. I find it ironic today, to see WELS pastors list seminary as "graduate school" and claim infallibility because they actually studied Greek. They also shun to a fare-thee-well, but that does not make them educated in Lutheran doctrine or faithful in practice.

YDS gave the Yale gadfly blogger an award at graduation. He said, "I thought the faculty hated me." The dean said, "We do, but we respect a challenge."

The posts about Bainton reminded me of the legendary church historian. When he anticipated that I needed information for my Notre Dame dissertation, he offered to go to the library and xerox pages to send back to me (if I did not own a particular book). The topic of my dissertation was a gadfly who studied at YDS.

One of my regular Facebook friends lived in the same student housing. He and his wife were godparents for LI. Another godparent had two doctorates from Yale Medical but died young.

An academic divinity school is entirely different from a denominational seminary. I shocked people by seeking ordination. Most were aiming for additional degrees, teaching, law, business school, and social work.

I had the strange idea that the Lutheran Church would welcome someone writing with an academic and pastoral background. I was disabused of that notion many times over. In each synod I saw an extremely narrow focus on what was proper and encouraged, with permanent condemnation for straying from that agenda.

The LCA focused on its own infallibility - not that the others were different from that. Naturally the LCA had little interest in Lutheran doctrine, genuine Biblical studies, or criticism of its liberal agenda. However, the LCA in the 1970s was orthodox compared to WELS in the 2010s.

Missouri seemed very mixed, in a permanent state of schizophrenia, depending on and yet hating Herman Otten at the same time. Missouri had its LCA wannabees and its conservative core. When I was deciding to leave the LCA, I really thought the Lutheran Church was dead in America. That was a correct assumption, proven later by the smaller sects.

Every LCMS convention was a turning point in history, yet nothing changed, except in the empowering of the liberals and the Church Growthers.

I was justifiably suspicious of WELS from the beginning, not from anything I heard. I simply figured a smaller group would have its unwritten rules, peevish little power groups, etc. I was far too optimistic.

While crowing about how orthodox they were, the WELS leaders were already in bed with the LCA. John Lawrenz, as a prep school principal, ran down the LCMS for destroying its prep schools. John did his best to wreck the entire WELS school system, as a dedicated Church and Changer. He forgot to mention his unionistic Pietistic agenda.

Now, as he is fading out, Lawrenz has turned over the leadership of the micro-mini Asian seminary (four professors, one Mexican janitor) to a founder of Church and Change, Steve Witte, DMin, Gordon Conwell.

The micro-mini synods are even worse than WELS, giving WELS an opportunity to appear less corrupt, less immoral, and less anti-Lutheran than the CLCs, etc.

WELS Cannot Continue
The Little Sect on the Prairie has already decided it will be gone in 20 years - that is their optimistic report.

WELS is so parochial that they judge everything according to growing up in the State of Wisconsin, their in-bred family ties, and all the dirty tricks they have played on each other. Mean-spirited, vindictive, and cowardly are terms that best fit the leaders of WELS. Yet they believe that following the Babtists and New Agers will make them different. People will flock to their imitation community churches.

This is how strange it is.
Ski's The CORE--which is really just another site for the Ron Ash/Tim Glende St. Peter Freedom cult--shares an old WELS building with another Emergent Church. People go to nearly identical services hosted by two different congregations or denominations, and yet they are the same me-centered entertainment service, bragging about "transforming lives" with Jesus.

Ski and Glende keep track of all dissent and bully people into silence.

Glende, though denying his outright plagiarism, excuses his copying because he does not want the congregation to die.

Change and DIE! - that is how an ex-WELS member describes this phenomenon.

But in love, we will wait to see what happens. Give them time. They are working on it.

Back To Yale
The value of an independent university education is independence of thought. The same classroom could have Roman Catholics, Bob Jones graduates, LCMS Lutherans, UCC, and Episcopalians in it. The unwritten rules of each denomination did not apply. Being a DP's son or a priest's "nephew" did not matter.

Yale had certain standards and lived up to them. So many teachers were required reading everywhere and world-famous scholars that a visiting expert could barely gather a basement meeting room.

WELS, Missouri, and the Little Sect do not live up to their standards. They deceive people constantly. They are so frightened of failing as an organization that they copy the idiots at Fuller, Mars Hill, Willow Creek, and the Crystal Cathedral (where Schuller is already a bankrupt fad).

The Syn Conference is ashamed of being Lutheran and opposed to teaching justification by faith. If someone wants to attend a liturgical service while visiting a new city, a Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox parish is a better bet than anything from the Syn Conference.

Getting Grumpier



grumpy has left a new comment on your post "Jeske and Ski, Change or DIE!:No Answer At This Ti...":

Since they are called/ordained members of the WELS, in all probability NOTHING will happen...

Now, if these were lay members who went to a non-WELS funeral, wedding, baptism, etc. of a friend or family member and were seen praying...well....that's quite a different story now, isn't it?

Grumps (getting Grumpier)

Jeske and Ski, Change or DIE!:
No Answer At This Time

Jeski and Ski are success stories? 
They depend on:
1. Taxpayer grants (Jeske).
2. Foundation and Thrivent grants (Jeske and Ski).
3. Daddy Warbucks (Jeske and Ski).
Givest thou me a break. I would not skip a rerun of I Love Lucy to hear them.



Intrepid Lutherans, Change or Die! Update

Thursday, February 24, 2011


Change or Die - Update

Since our post last week in which we addressed the ill-conceived Change or Die conference scheduled for March 10th, we have not received any communication from Pastor Jeske or Pastor Skorzewski in response to our letter.

When we approached members of the COP to see if they were aware of this conference, we were informed of the following:
  • The WELS Conference of Presidents had scheduled a meeting concerning this conference even prior to our post on Intrepid Lutherans.
  • The WELS COP has unanimously requested that Pastors Jeske and Skorzewski not participate in this conference.

As of this time, the conference brochure and registration form remain unchanged on the Siebert Lutheran Foundation website.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...
And if they go anyway........? Scott E. Jungen
Rev. Paul A. Rydecki said...
We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. It is our hope and prayer, and even our loving assumption, that the rebuke from God's Word and the request from their overseers in the Church will convince our brothers not only to pull out of this conference, but to see and admit the error of it. That will be cause for great rejoicing.
Pastor Jeff Samelson said...
I remember another time -- about 12 or 13 years or so ago -- that the CoP requested that a someone not go ahead with something that was causing offense in the WELS. They (WLC) went ahead with it anyway. It will be interesting, to say the least, to see what happens in the next few weeks.
Lund Family said...
I felt compelled to right my own letter to Pastor Jeske and sent it last week via postal mail. Most likely, a return letter has not had time to come back my way. We leave the results of this to God. Perry Lund Grace Evangelical Lutheran Oskaloosa, IA.
Anonymous said...
Once one draws a line in the sand, there can be no compromise. If indeed right is right and wrong is wrong, the Intrepids must hold their ground, or retreat into the company of fools comprised of those who sit by the side of the road and wait for someone to do something significant. A "request" by the COP is not the decisive action expected or required; they should not abdicate leadership, they should exercise leadership, and make a clear statement that we untheologically trained laymen can clearly understand. Kenneth Jamka
Rev. Paul A. Rydecki said...
To give our leaders the benefit of the doubt, we (at IL) don't know the form this "request" took. It may well be the decisive action required. It may have been more forceful than a request. And they may be planning on making their judgment public once those involved have been given time to respond. We won't let the issue go. For the moment, we will give Pastors Jeske and Ski a little more time to respond, either to us or to the COP, or preferrably to all those who have contacted them, which would seem to be the loving thing to do. This can't drag on for months. The conference is coming up in two weeks. By that time we should know if the pastors involved have accepted the COP's (and our) admonition gratefully, acknowledging their error (which would be cause for great rejoicing), or if they have accepted the COP's (and our) admonition under protest (which would not yet be cause for rejoicing), or if they have rejected the admonitions they have received (which would be cause for even greater concern).

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GJ - The loving thing is to rebuke these clowns for even thinking of such a thing, but no one would touch the Lord's Anointed (Jeske) earlier, when he engaged in various union activities before. No one touched Jeske's sock-puppet (Ski) when he and Glende attended many different false doctrine worship conferences.

Ski and Glende bragged about their conferences, Tweeted about them, and took pictures in Seattle and at Andy Stanley's Babtist worship conference.

Did anyone discipline Kudu Don Patterson for gathering WELS workers like Rev. Spikey-Hair for a pan-demon conference in Orlando, Florida? No. But Patterson and Kelm gave papers at The Sausage Factory about improving education there.

Above is a reference to asking Willowcreek's Liberal College to cease and desist from inviting Martin Marty. They "gave WELS the finger," to quote Pastor Guy Purdue and invited him anyway.

The only cease orders issued and obeyed were the one about the Kent Hunter/Waldo Werning conference and the Church and Change Stetzer invitation.

I may have the details wrong, but I think Missouri dis-invited Stetzer at the same time. I know Stetzer lined up Missouri and Church and Change on his official calender. The Changers tried to deny this, which meant I was a liar and Stetzer was a liar. I gleefully posted the material in the blog, with the link to Stetzer's calender, his Tweets, and his snide remarks about Lutheran doctrine.

WELS even had one of the Intrepids (pre-Intrepid) convinced that I invented the information. That is why I copy and paste and link. The material may go away at the URL, as it often does, but it is preserved here.

Ex-LCMS, Now ELCA, Pastor Bruce Foster Weighs In Again

I added the labels, but this really is an ELCA seminarian blessing the compost bin at a chapel service, Lutheran School of Theology, Chicago.
I owned one of these composters years ago, but I did not bless it at a service!



Dear Dr. Jackson

You have begun a series of intelligence test on your blog, right? I mean moving Transfiguration and Septuagesima Sunday a week early and then waiting for somebody to notice. Clever.

Today your test is this. Who will be the first to catch this silly mistake.

"The love of money is the root of all evil, as Shakespeare said"

Do I win the prize for responding first by noting that the quote is from the Bible (KJV no less) and not Shakespeare?

You are so clever hiding these little tests in your blog. When nobody from WELS catches them, they prove they are the Morons you say they are.

Bruce Foster (not smart enough to catch the first one because I use the evil three year lectionary)

[Various signatures below]
Bruce Foster (yes I know I should hang my head in shame, ELCA and no PhD from Our Lady U.)

Bruce Foster (please don't belittle me for not having a degree from the anti-Christ's best school)

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GJ - I believer Foster is one person who sent spiteful little messages for the blog when it first started. He is best pals with WELS Pastor Lindemann, the one who refused to answer a certified letter (ditto Jenswold and SP Schroeder). Birds of a feather do flock together.

Foster stopped commenting via the blog when I started using Open ID, but he sent a signed email every so often. As anyone can see, he has much in common with the WELS ministerium (although many Wisconsin pastors are decent human beings and faithful to the Confessions).

Foster's latest effort at sarcasm is illuminating. Yes, I actually moved the date of Septuagesima by mistake. I am not sure why that merits an email. Things must be slow at Lake Woebegone.

I used the Shakespeare blooper on purpose, waiting for one of the WELS Shrinkers to hyper-ventilate. Little did I realize that Foster would jump at his big chance.

In fact, I usually check quotations before I use them. Recently I thought a friend was wrong for citing the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, but he was right and I was not.

Nevertheless, having almost 6,000 posts and dozen books means that fact-checking and typo-finding is a team effort. Many people help out cheerfully. They involve all the synods except ELCA.

Normally a post has about four obvious mistakes in it. I publish it and read it over, correct it, re-publish, until I am satisfied. Some things get missed by everyone, such as a weird spelling of Enthusiasm in a title. Others, like Septualgesiam (sic) are noticed and mentioned. Pastor ___ did not want credit for that one, and he was rather benign in telling me.

Bruce definitely fosters a resentful heart. When I reviewed the recent, dumb book about Otten, he sent a typically bitter email a few hours later. The Missouri civil war is a tender spot for LCMS apostates rewarded by ELCA. The Left loves the unrepentant prodigals they nurture.

Stranded on the Shoals of UOJ with Cap'n Huff N Puff


Most people in the Syn Conference want to be left alone. Some want to see a move from the relentless pursuit of change for the sake of change. Almost no one is willing to face the 80-160 history of abandoning Luther and the Confessions.

The Changers in WELS have cleverly set up so many targets that attacking one (Ski and Glende) only excites the defensive network of friends developed over the years by the Gurgle-Valleskey-Wendland team.

The Intrepids have only one battle to face, but they "fought without discipline and ran without shame" to quote Gibbon.

That battle is for the efficacy of the Word alone. Thus, the Intrepids are stranded on the shoals with Cap'n Huff-N-Puff. They are different from him only in degree, because he adheres to Universal Objective Justification.

What can DP Buchholz say, when has proclaimed--in a convention essay--that the entire world is saved? Buchholz may not be singing from the same page in the hymnal as Jeff Gunn (aka Jeff Gun on the Changer websty), but he is singing from the same hymnal.

No one critical of Fuller's influence in WELS, Missouri, or the Little Sect is willing to give up on their precious UOJ opinion. Although some UOJ Stormtroopers--like Jay Webber, Jon Buchholz, and the Intrepids--are mildly critical of Church Growth, they are determined to defend universal grace without the Means of Grace in the face of Biblical, Confessional, and historical facts devastating to their quirky cause.

Combininng Rat Poison with Good Food -
Only Seems To Fool the Sausage Factory



rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Dapper Don Pieper Responds With the Unloving Card":

The way that Satan uses false doctrine to undermine faith is to mix a tiny amount of it with correct doctrine. The rat poison analogy has been used here several times on Ichabod. When a Crypto-Calvinist acquaintance of mine tried to pooh-pooh the credibility of Ichabod, I reminded him that I had been following some of this for 15-20 years. There is a strange double standard at work here. Those who defend the apostates will say, "he's okay, I drank beer with him at the sem". The Ichabodians can discern only what is written. I have never seen one claim that he was a drinkin' buddy of Pastor Jackson.

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GJ - WELS pastors only need to look at their own documents. Although I am not a catechism collectors, I know that Gausewitz was a favorite edition used in many WELS congregations. When this came up, and Gausewitz was quoted by a current WELS pastor, a WELS member wrote me and said, "I still have the Gausewitz we used when I was confirmed in the Wisconsin Synod."

Like many others, this WELS layman only scratches his head when the Mequonites now try to advocate the alleged ancient truth of UOJ.

Wisconsin is an abusive cult. The cult-behavior is shown in the way the group changes doctrine and re-educates everyone, without ever acknowledging that they just reversed course on something.

Another example is gambling. It was a sin in WELS until they latched onto some wealthy casino people. Now gambling is entertainment and all the Sausages chant the same thing.

The way Sausage Factory graduates repeat the same thing in the same way is rather disturbing. The Little Sect on the Prairie is no better, except they imagine they are - making them worse.

Brett Meyer Answers Dapper Don


"All the Changers are looking forward to the Jeske-Ski conference with ELCA.
We are going to bring disco back.
Y-M-C-A."



Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Dapper Don Pieper Responds With the Unloving Card":

Don, since I'm the one whose heart you judged, are you saying that you find Pastor Mark Schewe's statement, "As we sit as a fly on the wall, we see that God the Father will have the last word, as he brings about the salvation of all people and exalts his Son to his rightful place as King!", to be faithful to Christ?

Or, that it was wrong but could be understood correctly because it wasn't accompanied by other Universalistic statements?

Many people have excused (W)ELS DP Pastor Buchholz in the same way for his Universalist statements in the 2005 WELS Convention essay where he made the false statement and then immediately contradicted it.

"God has forgiven the whole world. God has forgiven everyone his sins." This statement is absolutely true! This is the heart of the gospel, and it must be preached and taught as the foundation of our faith. But here’s where the caveat comes in: In Scripture, the word "forgive" is used almost exclusively in a personal, not a universal sense. The Bible doesn’t make the statement, "God has forgiven the world."

"God has forgiven all sins, but the unbeliever rejects God’s forgiveness." Again, this statement is true—and Luther employed similar terminology to press the point of Christ’s completed work of
salvation.16 But we must also recognize that Scripture doesn’t speak this way."

"God has declared the entire world righteous." This statement is true, as we understand it to mean that God has rendered a verdict of "not-guilty" toward the entire world. It is also true—and must be taught—that the righteousness of Christ now stands in place of the world’s sin; this is the whole point of what Jesus did for us at Calvary. However, once again we’re wresting a term out of its usual context. In Scripture the term "righteous" usually refers to believers. "

"Here is the legal or juridical nature of justification, revealed at Calvary. The change does not take place in the sinner. The change takes place in the relationship or the status between a sinner and God.2 A verdict has been rendered, which declares man free of sin and guilt, righteous in God’s sight, and worthy of eternal life, for Jesus’ sake."

http://www.wlsessays.net/node/390

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LutherRocks has left a new comment on your post "Brett Meyer Answers Dapper Don":

Christ stands in man's place so he that believes in Him and is baptized will be saved...whoever does not believe will be damned...this is how Scripture speaks.

Wednesday, February 23, 2011

Dapper Don Pieper Responds With the Unloving Card



Don has left a new comment on your post "Try To Make Sense of This WELS Sermon:Dis-Graceful...":

Yes, it is disgraceful if that is what Pastor Schewe or Voss preached in Trinity Lutheran, Des Moines this Sunday.

It is always dangerous to hear ony (sic) bits and snippets of a sermon.

The preacher also said earlier of Jesus, "He revealed himself as the Servant and Savior sent from the Father, and promised forgiveness and salvation to those who confess their sins and put their faith in him." This is not universalism.

He also mentioned the desertion of many of Jesus' followers, a desertion that caused the Savior great pain (why, if they were all saved?). This is not universalism.

A cursory glance may accuse the preacher of making a questionable statement, "God the Father reveals here that all people are saved on equal status before him through the Savior." But this follows the presentation that the Jews have no "first dibs" (my wording) on God any more.

And the final statement of the sermon brings in the role of faith, "May our minds be blown away that God has loved us so much. And may our faith in him be strengthened as we see what he has planned for us!" God's love calls forth and creates faith in us.

Jesus said he who is forgiven little, loves little. And the Apostle said, "love covers a multitude of sins."

Perhaps Mr. Meyer loves so little he covers up material in this sermon which would give your readers a balanced perspective.

Don Pieper--and please, use my name.

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GJ - First of all, linking the sermon is not covering up. All my sources link material because people need to read everything in context and judge for themselves. That approach is much better than vague accusations about "a certain blog" that remains nameless and unlinked, with nothing specific to answer.

Don, you would be shocked at the number and variety of sources from WELS. I remember someone having a meltdown on the phone because I said, "All of it comes from WELS pastors and members." I would have to add now - "former members and pastors, too" - because so many have given up on the sect. Mostly, they have been driven out.

From the sermon itself, verbatim:
As we sit as a fly on the wall, we see that God the Father will have the last word, as he brings about the salvation of all people and exalts his Son to his rightful place as King!

The salvation of all people is Universalism.

I have studied this for over 10 years now and read countless books related to the subject, so I am not spitting out talking points from one mentor or another. The Syn Conference fragments try to rescue themselves from the charge of Universalism by adding a little about faith. That gets forgotten soon enough, so some of your best and brightest (according to WELS PR) have become atheists or Pentecostals.

Look at your hero Jungkuntz. He advocated UOJ, misled people about his Biblical beliefs, and worked his way down to ELCA. He finally became the ELCA parson he always was, to paraphrase Father Neuhaus.

The foundational pratfall in UOJ is merging the Atonement with justification, and that is quasi-Calvinism.

DP Jon Buchholz denied, in a conversation with me, that anyone teaches Universalism in WELS. I reminded him of the recent WELS evangelism campaign, featuring banners with this message for the whole community, "I am saved, just like you."

The sermon quoted is from Buchie's previous congregation. So there are two examples of Universalism.

WELS is so deep into UOJ now that pastors cannot even think in terms of Lutheran doctrine. I know this is currently being taught at The Sausage Factory (Mequon) and Mary Lou College in New Ulm - "Hitler is a guilt-free saint."

I think Universalists would be deeply offended by Hitler's sainthood. The assertion by WELS is an example of getting deeper into hyperbole with each generation.

WELS pastors are disgusted with UOJ, but they remain in the silent minority, as far as I can tell. Perhaps many of them simply think of UOJ as a synonym for the Atonement. Pastor James Heiser, ELDONA, thought so. I did as well, until WELS laity pointed out what the documents really say.

Unlike the knee-biters in WELS, I have provided as many quotations from both sides of the debate as I could muster, in Thy Strong Word, which is available free from Lulu.com. In fact, one person trying to provide UOJ for his doctorate is using Thy Strong Word, because of its extensive documentation.

To spell it out again - UOJ is from Halle University, not from the Bible or the Book of Concord. Double-justification is found verbatim in English in Knapp's theology book in 1831, but he was lecturing on it long before that, and his book remained a major tome for the entire 19th century. Knapp is still in print today.

UOJ is Calvinism via the Pietism of Halle University.

Justification by faith (absent UOJ) was taught in the Gausewitz catechism of WELS and the old Missouri catechism in German.

UOJ was not taught among Lutherans before the era of Pietism.

I can tell Dapper Don has a poor argument, delivered off the cuff, when he ends with a typical WELS eye-poker like this:

Perhaps Mr. Meyer loves so little he covers up material in this sermon which would give your readers a balanced perspective.


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Don has left a new comment on your post "Dapper Don Pieper Responds With the Unloving Card":

Judge from the sermon, and not from your extensive experience. Find another dog to flog.
Don Pieper

Try To Make Sense of This WELS Sermon:
Dis-Graceful

"And your problem with this is?"



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The Universalism of Objective Justification rules the day in the (W)ELS.

Faith is but another aspect of the Law when it's required of those God has already declared justified, forgiven of all sin and righteous by the body and blood of Christ.

As we sit as a fly on the wall, we see that God the Father will have the last word, as he brings about the salvation of all people and exalts his Son to his rightful place as King!

As we come to the end of this remarkable conversation, our minds might be spinning. After all, that happens when God gives you a glimpse of what he’s thinking. What can we take away from this conversation we have heard? There are great mysteries here in these words from Isaiah, but what is the biggest mystery of all? The biggest mystery is that God has done all this for you. 


Why would he do that? Why would he show grace to you? As a wayward child, why would he do it? As one who needs to be cut down by the sword of the Spirit for your sin, why would he do it? God has shown remarkable love and grace in his plan to save you. Why?

We don’t have the answer to that question in this conversation we have listened in on. As a fly on the wall, we don’t hear that answer.


http://www.htlc-wa.org/home/140004986/140004986/140047070/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20022011%20Sermon.pdf

(W)ELS laity are left to spin in the wind, the rope chaffing their necks and ears tickled by the siren song of their New Age Emergent leaders.

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GJ - I wondered if this was a sermon from Buchholz, but this is a January, 2011 sermon, as you can see from the entire document.

I recall DP Buchholz denying Universalism in WELS. The salvation of all people, highlighted in red, is Universalism. More on that in a minute.

Who else taught the same thing? Karl Barth - who offered pastoral counseling to the lovely Charlotte Kirschbaum while she wrote the Dogmatics for him. They shared a cabin alone every summer, but I am sure nothing untoward happened. But look up her photos. He was an old fuddy-duddy Commie. She was HAWT!

Charlotte was so needy that Karl moved her right into his family home, with his wife Nellie and his growing sons. Iver Johnson and WELS/ELS would have been proud. They share the same concept of Universalism.

Universalism in the Syn Conference comes from Universal Objective Justification, because they start with everyone being forgiven (justified) before birth. They try to rescue UOJ from Universalism by saying people have to decide to believe in this universal absolution. However, as Schleiermacher and Tholuck have shown, when one starts with universal absolution, the "believe it" part drops away.

UOJ simply eliminates every article of faith, every aspect of worship. Sin more that grace may abound! As the Shrinker adulterers have demonstrated in abundance, universal absolution defaults to Antinomianism. There is no Law of God.

UOJ is ELCA's doctrine too.

Predigtamt Brings Up Outmoded Book of Concord

Melanchthon is obviously from another era, so his Augsburg Confession is considered obsolete and irrelevant, especially by the Schwaermer who publish FICL - Lutheran on the outside, Babtist on the inside.



Predigtamt has left a new comment on your post "Canon Law in WELS - Pretend Not To Be Naming Names...":

Teaser for the March 2011 issue of Forward in Christ:

"Biblical word pictures - Four words help us understand our Christian faith more clearly" by Mark Lenz

Except for the subtitle, there is no mention of faith, even and especially under the word "Justification." - Nothin'. Nada. Zilch.

Compare the FIC article to the official "Lutheran Voice" of Lutheranism, the Augsburg Confession:

"Also they teach that men cannot be justified before God by their own strength, merits, or works, but are freely justified for Christ's sake, through faith, when they believe that they are received into favor, and that their sins are forgiven for Christ's sake, who, by His death, has made satisfaction for our sins. This faith God imputes for righteousness in His sight. Rom. 3 and 4." - Article IV

Pastor's reality food show pitch: Christians and Jews bonding over hotdogs – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

Pastor's reality food show pitch: Christians and Jews bonding over hotdogs – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs


Pastor's reality food show pitch: Christians and Jews bonding over hotdogs
February 23rd, 2011
06:00 AM ET
By Gabe LaMonica, CNN
It was the hot dogs that broke down religious barriers.
Megachurch pastor Phil Hotsenpiller and his wife, Tammy, invited their Muslim, Jewish and Buddhist neighbors over to their Southern California home for an interfaith, multicultural meal.

Rebuking False Teachers By Name

The policy in ELCA, WELS, Missouri, the ELS, and the micro-minis sects is to defend and promote false teachers.
The results speak for themselves.



rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Canon Law in WELS - Pretend Not To Be Naming Names...":

Dropping the names of teachers of false doctrine is proper because the Office of the Holy Ministry is a public office.

Intrepid Thoughts

First Lutheran Church, Moline, Illinois, was across from Melo-Cream Donut Shop.
Swedes lived in Moline and had their college a mile away, Augustana, in Rock Island.
WELS has imitated the decline of the old Augustana Synod.



Rev. Paul A. Rydecki
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Daniel, Just to add a bit to Douglas' and Adam's excellent comments... You wrote, "Their contention is that a Law/Gopsel message on a mailing is not effective, because it isn't read. Someone sees a postcard with a religious message in their mailbox and it goes straight into the wastebasket."

If the postcard isn't read, how does anyone receive the postcard and know that there's an Easter service with a yummy breakfast before or after? If they mean that a long, wordy treatise on doctrine isn't read, then they may well be right. But a short invitation itself does not have to be devoid of truth and honesty. The question is, to what are we inviting people? To an event that will cater to the old man or to a proclamation of God's truth? Granted, an unbeliever only has an old man, but that does not mean that the old man must be coaxed into falling into this "trap" where we actually mean to kill him (if only he knew...).

I've heard it said, "No unbeliever goes to church for the right reasons." I used to believe that. Now I see the error in it. True, no unbeliever goes to church out of love for Christ. But some go because their conscience convicts them and tells them there is a God and they've offended him, and they'd better find out who he is before it's too late. Is that a "wrong reason" for going to church? Absolutely not. In fact, those are precisely the unbelievers whom the Lord has prepared to hear his Law and Gospel.

Now what? Shall we, instead of honestly portraying what the Church has to offer, persuade them to come in for other, non-spiritual reasons? Then we are promoting ourselves, not Christ. This idea that we should somehow "trick" people into exposing themselves to the Means of Grace (Ha! They fell for it! They came for breakfast and exciting, upbeat music, but mixed in with all that we're going to give them Jesus! Surprise!) is really deceptive and dishonest.

The idea that we shouldn't "pepper" our mailings with religious messages (i.e., the Word of God and the proclamation of Christ) because the world will perceive it as "cultish" is really scary. I don't know where that comes from. Should we be content to let the cults promote their doctrine freely while we shrink back from presenting doctrine for fear of appearing "cultish," relying instead on what a friendly bunch of people we have in our congregation? May this never be.

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GJ - The conversation reminds me of many tea and crumpets discussions in WELS. Someone quoted Jester as saying "So much for pre-evangelism," as if a quip from John Jeske threw the Shrinkers back, like the soldiers when Jesus said, "I AM."

In fact, J. P. Meyer has an excellent passage about this "baiting the hook" concept. He rebuked it quite sternly as adulterating the Word of God. WELS pays attention to Meyer only where he is wrong. There is no discernment.

The Word of God must be used for rebuking, but the pastors refuse to rebuke. If they start to rebuke, they pull back because of the Satanic blowback from the Shrinkers.

One Intrepid told me he was booted in the backside for days, because of one mild Intrepid post. After that, Rydecki reversed himself on UOJ and Lindee laid down a bank of fog, aided and abetted by Thoughts of No-Faith Webber.

The comments are rigorously policed and edited. Notice how they appear, disappear, and stop.

So far I am reminded of the statement about the Italians in war. "They are worth two divisions on our side if they go with our opponents. They are like four divisions against us if they are our allies."

First Congregational Church in Moline is now United Church of Christ, thanks to various mergers.
The UCC is the model for mainline churches going Unitarian -
without really admitting it.
The Unitarians lead the way in radicalism,
closely followed by the UCC, with the mainlines
(ELCA, WELS, LCMS, ELS, CLCs) close behind.


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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Intrepid Thoughts":

The problem with some so called "Intrepid Lutherans" or so called "Steadfast Lutherans" is that they rebuke false doctrines but promote one of their own, like UOJ.

LPC