Wednesday, February 23, 2011

Try To Make Sense of This WELS Sermon:
Dis-Graceful

"And your problem with this is?"



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The Universalism of Objective Justification rules the day in the (W)ELS.

Faith is but another aspect of the Law when it's required of those God has already declared justified, forgiven of all sin and righteous by the body and blood of Christ.

As we sit as a fly on the wall, we see that God the Father will have the last word, as he brings about the salvation of all people and exalts his Son to his rightful place as King!

As we come to the end of this remarkable conversation, our minds might be spinning. After all, that happens when God gives you a glimpse of what he’s thinking. What can we take away from this conversation we have heard? There are great mysteries here in these words from Isaiah, but what is the biggest mystery of all? The biggest mystery is that God has done all this for you. 


Why would he do that? Why would he show grace to you? As a wayward child, why would he do it? As one who needs to be cut down by the sword of the Spirit for your sin, why would he do it? God has shown remarkable love and grace in his plan to save you. Why?

We don’t have the answer to that question in this conversation we have listened in on. As a fly on the wall, we don’t hear that answer.


http://www.htlc-wa.org/home/140004986/140004986/140047070/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20022011%20Sermon.pdf

(W)ELS laity are left to spin in the wind, the rope chaffing their necks and ears tickled by the siren song of their New Age Emergent leaders.

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GJ - I wondered if this was a sermon from Buchholz, but this is a January, 2011 sermon, as you can see from the entire document.

I recall DP Buchholz denying Universalism in WELS. The salvation of all people, highlighted in red, is Universalism. More on that in a minute.

Who else taught the same thing? Karl Barth - who offered pastoral counseling to the lovely Charlotte Kirschbaum while she wrote the Dogmatics for him. They shared a cabin alone every summer, but I am sure nothing untoward happened. But look up her photos. He was an old fuddy-duddy Commie. She was HAWT!

Charlotte was so needy that Karl moved her right into his family home, with his wife Nellie and his growing sons. Iver Johnson and WELS/ELS would have been proud. They share the same concept of Universalism.

Universalism in the Syn Conference comes from Universal Objective Justification, because they start with everyone being forgiven (justified) before birth. They try to rescue UOJ from Universalism by saying people have to decide to believe in this universal absolution. However, as Schleiermacher and Tholuck have shown, when one starts with universal absolution, the "believe it" part drops away.

UOJ simply eliminates every article of faith, every aspect of worship. Sin more that grace may abound! As the Shrinker adulterers have demonstrated in abundance, universal absolution defaults to Antinomianism. There is no Law of God.

UOJ is ELCA's doctrine too.