Doctrinal Morons Sell the Fuller Seminary Toxins - For a Hefty Fee

old-curmudgeon (http://old-curmudgeon.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Marketing Sees Through Fuller Seminary - Lutheran ...":

While Fuller provides misguided education, it took lame-brained pastors with their political shenanigans to soak it up and peddle it to their flocks.

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GJ - I contend that the Enthusiasm of the Syn Conference prepared the leaders to receive the nonsense of Fuller Seminary with joy and approbation. These leaders got synodical offering money and Thrivent grants to pay for even more education, until the Syn Conference became a super-saturated solution of apostasy.

WELS does not have the doctrinal spine to shut down Church and Change or to mark and avoid Jeske. The faux-Lutheran New Ager straddles two weak synods at once, a Colossus of Toads, far more eager to share his ego than we are to partake thereof.

Jeske's Church and Change operation is the management of WELS. When the Wisconsin sect needed a new president for their tiny Asian seminary, a founder of Church and Change took over from another Changer (Witte from Lawrenz).

The expensive but seldom read FICL is a Church and Change newsletter, printed at synod expense.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Doctrinal Morons Sell the Fuller Seminary Toxins -...":

Mideast dictators, Rev. Jeske and C&C are all shaking in their boots this week. The apostasy in the WELS may finally be defunded by Republicans in Wisconsin, and shortly, in other states.

Jeske's school is premised on the idea that it's giving a quality education at cut rate pricing that public schools can't provide. However, as soon as the state can provide it, courts have ruled that the state must pull funding to private educational entities.

If the teachers union loses its collective bargaining rights, quality education at more reasonable prices will follow, and then the state will pull the plug on St. Marcus school, and also on 4th grade kindergartens and daycare centers run out of churches and parochial schools. These are all "marks of the C&C churches" since they are into grants more than anyone else.

BIDDLE: Day of reckoning for unionized teachers’ pensions
States facing retirement deficits are forcing reductions

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/18/day-of-reckoning-for-unionized-teachers-pensions/

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/62661862.html

Marketing Sees Through Fuller Seminary - Lutheran Doctrine Destroys It

Valleskey, Bivens, Larry Olson, Paul Calvin Kelm, VP Heubner, Reuel Schulz, Wally Oelhafen, Fred Adrian, Waldo Werning, Kent Hunter, and many more studied at this citadal of apostasy.
And they loved it.


Narrow-minded Lutheran has left a new comment on your post "Fuller Wrecked the Synods - That Is What I Publish...":

"Testing the Claims of Church Growth," by Rodney Zwonitzer refers to Fuller as the LCMS's "third seminary." This guy was a marketing expert in his first career. Funny how a marketing guy shoots down the marketing gimmicks in the Church. Funny how CPH ceased printing his book.

http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar57.htm

Fuller Wrecked the Synods - That Is What I Published from 1988 On

To die, to sleep--
To sleep--perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come...
Rub my tummy. I need a longer nap. Thanks. Meow.


Narrow-minded Lutheran has left a new comment on your post "Fuller Seminary's Imprint Can Be Found in "Lay Min...":

The "everyone's a minister" mentality is destroying the synods. Is the janitor working at the Lutheran school "divinely called?" This is not said to degrade the janitor, as his earthly vocation is indeed potentially very God-pleasing. But is he "called" to administer Word and Sacrament? Certainly not.

I feel sorry for the SMP guys. I have been criticized for bad-mouthing the SMP, but is is mostly the synod that I fault. They are putting guys out there with a subpar theological education. The handy-dandy NIV/ESV translation isn't going to cut it. They don't even need to know Greek. For example, how are they going to handle Acts 2:40 (be saved vs. save yourselves), which every English translation I know of gets wrong, with the exception of the NASB, which is bad in other areas? From my elementary Greek knowledge, the text clearly appears "passive" in the Greek.

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GJ - There is a place for the SMP type of training, but the synods seem to be putting LPNs in charge of thoracic surgery. The impetus is Fuller training. All the synods ran to Fuller like Garasene pigs. They asked for demonic possession, paid for it, and got it.

Blunting the Sword in Intrepidville

ELCA-WELS-LCMS-ELS! They have so many Fuller-trained leaders that they can do their own Fuller seminars now.
They keep the moolah for themselves.

The Intrepids led the charge against the Jeske-Ski gay ministry meeting, another outgrowth of Church and Change.

I saw one sanctimonious comment, then a second, then only one, now nine comments. Going, going - stuck at nine.

Ten clergy have signed the statement, excluding Steve Kurtzahn (pancake pope) and Poppin Jay Webber. Kurtzahn and Webber posted but did not sign. On Wall Street, this is called a Bear Straddle, to protect against bad results by taking two positions at once.

Almost no one has signed onto the Intrepids' open list. I know of one professor who is a secret Intrepid. Crypto-Intrepids! If you believe the Wisconsin and Little Sect ministers (and I don't), they are all crypto-Intrepids. They would really like to come out in the open, but Muffy and Buffy need orthodontic work, etc.

They are working quietly in the background, so quietly that no one can hear them.

Comparing the numbers - more pastors show up for Change and Change conventions than sign onto the Intrepids. In fact, more show up for a Church and Change coffee hour in Nebraska than sign onto Intrepids.

Moreover, the Intrepids kill each discussion by limiting the comments. That has been the case for decades. The so-called dissenters are so eager to placate the apostates that they do their work for them.

Some people really dig theses, so I will leave some for people to ponder:

1. No one can challenge apostasy while avoiding the doctrinal problem of UOJ, which was not taught in the LCMS or WELS until recently. Walther imported it, but the real launch-point of UOJ came with the 1932 Brief Statement, Pieper's Dogmatics, and Kuske's over-priced UOJ catechism.
   
2. Avoiding, downplaying, and rejecting the efficacy of the Word will only increase the influence of Enthusiasm.
   
3. Taking money from adulterous millionaires to build buildings and pad salaries will never be a good bargain. The foundation of the Kingdom of God is Christ conveyed in the Word of God, not money.
   
4. The emotional, physical, and sexual abuse of vulnerable members will haunt Holy Mother Synod until there is true repentance.
   
5. The synods abuse the clergy because the synod leaders despise the Means of Grace. Troubled congregations see clergy as handy targets for their dysfunctional problems, because they know the CP and DP will help them out in the worst way possible.