Thursday, December 8, 2011

4 area Presbyterian churches leave national denomination

I documented the mainline gay agenda efforts in 1987,
24 years ago: Out of the Depths of ELCA.


4 area Presbyterian churches leave national denomination:



By Brandon Smith-Hebson, Staff Writer
7:39 PM Thursday, December 8, 2011

SOUTH CHARLESTON — Four of 60 Presbyterian churches in the Miami Valley recently left their national denomination.

Their ministers pointed to changes in the denomination’s constitution that paved the way for openly gay people to become ministers or church leaders, as well as changes to the way the church is governed that could provide for a more top-down leadership in the future.

Churches sometimes organize a significant part of the charitable work done in their area, and can influence and reflect the beliefs of a community.

But these recent changes weren’t the entire reason for leaving, ministers said — rather, the national denomination, Presbyterian Church (USA), had been on a decades-long drift to a less-specific, more inclusive theology, they said.

“We were concerned,” said Peter Larson, head pastor at Lebanon Presbyterian Church, “that some might see this move as creating a church that’s anti-gay people, or homophobic.” Larson’s church voted to leave the denomination. “That’s just not true. Every person is welcome here. This is not a condemning place.”

But some pastors from churches that remain have their doubts.

“The message it sends is, ‘we love you as long as you aren’t practicing who you are, as long as you aren’t yourself,” said Dwight McCormick, pastor of Northminster Presbyterian Church in Springfield.

McCormick said that gay people “have had a lot of violence done to them over the years,” spiritually as well as physically, and that the denomination wants to distance itself from that.

Shortly after the constitution was altered, the first openly gay minister was ordained in the PCUSA, in Madison, Wis.

Secessions over similar subjects rocked Lutheran churches in the area earlier this year.

In addition to Larson’s church, the local congregations that voted to leave include First Presbyterian in South Charleston, Kirkmont Presbyterian in Beavercreek, and Greenville Presbyterian in Greenville, which is in Darke County.

Church members were invited to afternoon meetings for a vote — two churches on Oct. 23 and two on Oct. 30. All were said to have good turnout for church business meetings, between one-third and two-thirds of voting membership.

And at each church, more than 90 percent of votes supported measures to split from the denomination.

Three of the four churches also voted to join the Evangelical Presbyterian Church, another, smaller Presbyterian denomination with more conservative theology.

“There was very little hostility” in the splits, said Dennis Piermont, the top executive at the Presbytery of the Miami Valley, a local grouping of about 60 churches in the denomination.

PCUSA isn’t seeking to take individual church buildings or property, according to Piermont. In other states, departing churches have had their buildings confiscated by the denomination, or they’ve had to buy back their own building.

Piermont considers it an “enormous concern” to maintain theological diversity in the church, something that took a hit when these churches left.

“Let’s recognize we still have some of that here, and to value that,” he said. “A great many people remain who are theologically conservative. It’s now easy for them to feel marginalized, and that is a great concern for me.”

But the churches that left sometimes view theological diversity as a farce, complaining that PCUSA had become a “big tent” denomination — and that it was getting bigger.

“In scripture we see diversity based on races and male and female, but there’s no such diversity in terms of doctrine and theology. It’s a pretty tight document,” said Bill Riesenweaver, pastor of First Presbyterian Church in South Charleston. Riesenweaver’s church voted unanimously to leave the PCUSA.
“Some people believe you can be a good Buddhist, Muslim — different strokes for different folks,” said Larson. “It’s a fundamental disagreement, ‘who is Jesus?’ ”

The denomination believes it’s following tradition in its more inclusive approach.

“Theological diversity has been a mark of our church from the beginning. There were debates in the early 1700s,” said Gradye Parsons, a PCUSA official whose responsibility includes theological discussions. “We’ve never really been what’s called a subscriptionist church, where you have to subscribe to very specific doctrines.”

Like most other large church denominations, Presbyterian Church (USA) has had a declining membership in the United States since the mid-1960s, according to church historians.

At its height in 1965, it counted around 4.2 million members, while last year it had just over 2 million members. It is the largest of the Presbyterian denominations.

But as reported in The Layman, a conservative-leaning source of Presbyterian church news, PCUSA experienced a large drop in membership in 2010 — likely as a result of the changes to the constitution.
Because presbyteries don’t report their membership loss or gain until the end of each year, officials said, the full effect of the changes won’t be known until early 2012.
Contact this reporter at (937) 328-0353.


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VirtueOnline - News - Exclusives - South Carolina Bishop Asked to Explain "Quitclaim" Property Action

VirtueOnline - News - Exclusives - South Carolina Bishop Asked to Explain "Quitclaim" Property Action:
GJ - Bigger Than the Donation of Constantine - And Historically True

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GJ - My understanding is - the traditional bishop has made sure the parishes own their own property. Archbishop Jefferts Schori cannot sue on behalf of The Episcopal Church. Hahahaha.

The New NIV - An Upcoming Battle or Another Uncontested Contest?


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I agree that it is a little fuzzy, but at least they had the guts to initially recommend against it. Props to the ESV doctrine committee on this one. Perhaps they can teach their WELS brothers something? Ahh, who am I kidding...




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GJ - I see a few positive signs of resistance to the New NIV in WELS. Apparently some groups have already formed to discuss and work against the NNIV. Beware, each group has synod-minders in it, to report back to Wendland and Schroeder. Neither one will tolerate any dissent from The Plan. Gay videos are fine with them, but not independent thinking.

I read about district votes. That will be more managed than one of Stalin's show trials. The outcome will be determined before anyone meets, with the right floor committees and resolutions. This can easily be by-passed by a significant group with significant spine.



If there is no real objection to this monstrous joke of a translation, the few objectors will be picked off, one by one, using various excuses to undermine the man's ministry. Everyone knows that in advance. Tyndale was burned at the stake for his translation. Most ministers are afraid of missing lunch. The laity who care have drifted away. In many cases the all-loving and grace-filled Wisconsin Synod has extended the Left Foot of Fellowship to them.

WELS - Wendland and the NNIV are your punishments for buying the Classic NIV, almost as rotten, for the last 25 years.

David R. Barnhart: Lutheran leader confronts state's Catholic bishops over gay marriage



David R. Barnhart: Lutheran leader confronts state's Catholic bishops over gay marriage:



To My Brothers -- The Catholic Bishops of Minnesota:

In 1976 I was elected a Lutheran bishop in Minnesota -- one of seven such Lutheran leaders in the state. Over the next years one of the highlights of my time in office was the annual noon-to-noon retreat with our eight Catholic counterparts in the state.

The bond that developed between us was deep and respectful. We shared our differences; we celebrated our likenesses. My friendship with Archbishop John Roach and Bishop Raymond Lucker, in particular, is a blessing I will treasure as long as I live.

May I share a word with all of you who now lead the Roman Catholic community of faith in Minnesota?

First, I would go to the wall to defend your right to work for the adoption of the so-called marriage protection amendment. Having said that, I must tell you that I believe you are making a significant mistake.

Over my 35 years as an active and retired bishop I have come to know hundreds of gay and lesbian persons. I have yet to meet even one who is opposed to the marriage of one man and one woman. After all, they are the daughters and sons of such unions.

What they cannot understand is why church leaders would oppose their fundamental desire and right to be in partnership with someone they love and respect who happens to be of the same gender and sexual orientation. They don't understand why they should not enjoy all the rights and privileges their straight counterparts take for granted.

More than a half century ago Father Francis Gilligan spoke out for equality for African American citizens of Minnesota. Though many argued on the basis of the Bible that these neighbors were inferior to others, Gilligan fought tirelessly for justice for these brothers and sisters.

In our generation homosexual persons are subject to the same discrimination. Their detractors often use the Bible and tradition as weapons of choice.

Is it not time for religious leaders, walking in the footsteps of Father Gilligan, to do the same for another minority, neighbors who are as responsible as our African American sisters and brothers?

I also suggest that you ask yourselves an important question: If the amendment is passed, will it make one particle of difference in our common culture in Minnesota? I don't think so.

Responsible lesbian and gay persons will continue to seek companionship with those they love. This law will only work to drive many of them deeper into closets of anonymity.

Instead, why not welcome them into our communities of faith where they can work side by side with us as equal partners?

Let me put out a challenge to each of you brothers. Invite 15 gay and lesbian persons from your respective areas, one at a time, to spend two hours with you.

Thirty hours are a pittance compared to the time you are investing to promote adoption of the marriage amendment. Use the time, not for confession, but to listen to them describe what it is like to live in our culture in Minnesota.

Hear as they tell you what it means be a child of God and a faithful member of your church, persons who happen to be gay or lesbian through no choice of their own. I can promise you, based on my experience, that your heart will be deeply moved by what you hear.

When you have finished your time with these sisters and brothers in Christ, spend a quiet hour reflecting on a single question: "As I understand the heart of my Savior Jesus, how would he treat these sons and daughters of my church?"

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Herbert W. Chilstrom is former presiding bishop, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.



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GJ - I had lunch with Chilstrom (Minnesota Bishop) and some other LCA pastors, at a conference for men in the ministry a certain number of years. He was a pleasant person, face to face, but he was ice cold as a  leader. When his policies caused firings of staff, he managed to be out of town when his co-workers were given security exits - "Don't go back to your office. We will send your personal effects to you. The guard will show you the door."

Chilstrom was definitely an architect of the change from Don't Ask Don't Tell homosexual ordination to Please Ask Please Tell. In the name of UOJ he pronounced everyone except the traditionalists "forgiven, absolved, saved," not that it mattered. Chilstrom taught against the Virgin Birth of Jesus - no one noticed.

When Paul Calvin Kelm ended his Church Growth conference (disguised as evangelism) at Mequon, he had this dramatic statement at the climax of his scripted speech.

"Given what we teach about the Wisconsin Synod, can you think of anyone in the world who would not join if he found out?"

A pause followed.

I said, "Herb Chilstrom?"

The place just rocked with laughter. Even Kelm had to laugh. In fact, the laughter went on so long that he could not say much more, since the laughing kept starting over.

One reader, known only as 29A, wants everyone to remember that the radicals of ELCA were trained in WELS and the LCMS. Their most honored leader, Richard Jungkuntz, was a professor at Northwestern College and a UOJ fanatic.

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Jimmy James has left a new comment on your post "David R. Barnhart: Lutheran leader confronts state...":

This reminded me of an editorial an African-American contributed in yesterday's Detroit Free Press. She was complaining about the "lack of diversity" on today's television. She started in with the way it use to be; The Cosby Show, The George Lopez Show, Family Matters, etc.

I quickly called her Feedback Line and pointed out that today's television has all kinds of diversity! In fact, diversity that other African-American columnists in your paper (i.e. Leonard Pitts) have promoted AND endorsed. They have also compared it with the civil rights movement of Martin Luther King! GAY RIGHTS!

I explained that every cotton pickin' night on the TV, I can find at least a dozen current or previously run television programs that either have a gay plot or feature a gay character(s).

Last week, Tim Allen's new TV show had a plot about a new lesbian couple that moved into their neighborhood. I changed the channel and found an old episode of "That 70's Show" featuring the same used plot! Only this time, it was two gay men who moved into the neighborhood! (And the two actors who were playing the gay men were two of the three "Brady Bunch" brothers!)

Every time I look around, it's in my face....

LCMS Seminaries - Where the Money Is.
Ultra High Tuition and Salaries











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From Bruce Chuch, Ichabod Research Department:

Summary: The LCMS seminaries have the highest overhead per student of all the accredited Lutheran seminaries in America, in part due to  an inadequate endowment fund. However, much of the overhead is a result of choices the LCMS seminaries and synod have made. First and foremost is the facilities overcapacity. One seminary on one campus would more than suffice for the needs of the LCMS (allowing for the expansion of classroom buildings and dormitories, of course). Secondly, there is the over-payment of professors at Concordia St. Louis, which campus has the highest tuition rates, by the way. Third, the federal government deems the LCMS seminaries to be in great financial shape, better off than most of the ELCA seminaries, and they of course charge much lower tuition. In other words, the LCMS seminaries could afford to lower their tuition quite a bit without losing their OK credit rating with the government, and without going broke.

Discussion: In the spreadsheet and charts, I have called overhead any cost not associated with professor salaries. However, if one wished, one could add to overhead the amount that he or she estimates the Concordia Seminary St. Louis professors are overpaid. When professor salaries are subtracted from tuition, a LCMS seminary student is paying $21,500 for overhead per year, twice as much as all the ELCA seminary students, except at one seminary. The fiscally troubled Philadelphia ELCA seminary still has $5,000 less overhead per student than the LCMS seminaries. Philadelphia also has the highest tuition and fees of any ELCA seminary, but its yearly tuition still trails $5,000 behind the LCMS seminaries.

The professor salary ($89,483) at Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, is $22,923 more than the average ($66,560) holding at the nine other Lutheran seminaries listed. Its associate professor salary ($71,201) is $14,287 more than the average ($56,914) at the other  seminaries. The assistant professor salary ($59,830) is $5,410 more than the average ($54,420) at the other seminaries. If the amount of this over-payment of professors were factored into the overhead cost, the overhead cost per student at the LCMS seminaries would be even greater.

Links of Interest:

With church membership dwindling and more families struggling to afford the cost of college, many private religiously-affiliated colleges and universities are slashing tuition and offering incentives to attract new students -- and to stay afloat.

Concordia Seminary FAQ on its high tuition--It's all your fault!

Dept of Ed Rates Private Seminaries and Colleges for Fiscal Soundness:

    or download 2009-10 report here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34974726/0910CompositeScores.xls





ELCA Seminary Fiscal News:





This report's spreadsheet and charts can be found here:

Seminary Tuition Scandal:

Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Intrepid Lutherans: ELS doctrine committee recommends AGAINST NIV 2011



Intrepid Lutherans: ELS doctrine committee recommends against NIV 2011:

    Doctrine Committee recommendation regarding Bible translations
    Many congregations of the ELS currently use the NIV (1984) Bible for worship and Christian education. This edition of the NIV will no longer be available for purchase at the end of 2011. It has been replaced with the NIV (2011) which makes significant changes to the text of the NIV (1984). 
    These changes have diminished the accuracy of the NIV. Therefore, based on preliminary study of the NIV (2011), the Doctrine Committee recommends against the use of the NIV (2011). 
    The Doctrine Committee recommends for use in the Evangelical Lutheran Synod translations such as: New King James Version (NKJV), English Standard Version (ESV), An American Translation (Beck, AAT), and the New American Standard Bible 1995 (NASB95). 
    These translations are accurate and understandable. If a new Lutheran translation is prepared in the future this also could be an option for use in the ELS. The following essay from the WELS website is suggested for further study on this matter. (Other essays at that site are also of benefit.)

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GJ - I found the report rather tepid and fuzzy.

The Lutheran translation that the ELS longs to own is the King James Version. Too bad that cannot be mentioned during the 400th Anniversary. The Olde Synodical Conference basks in hypocrisy, so why not pretend to like the KJV for one measly year?

Once again - Tyndale enrolled to study under Luther and Melanchthon. Name one translation family where that is true. The Tyndale became the KJV.

The lauded ESV is the Calvinist Packer version of the RSV. Paul McCain loves it, but he does not comprehend justification by faith, English grammar or spelling.

The NIV--owned by billionaire Murdoch--cleverly marketed itself by getting all the denominations involved, making all these professors part of the team. The Pentecostals were not going to criticize their man's work, and WELS was not going to criticize John Jeske's compromising, unionistic efforts.

I am not interested in a new Lutheran Bible. I like the KJV. I doubt whether the current crop of lazy-bones could get 3 John done in time before the Parousia. If they had invested their time in Biblical studies instead of running off to Fuller Seminary...  But that is why they galloped off the Gadarene cliff into the Schwaermer sea.


Brett Meyer Answers the AnonyMouse Tim Glende

They pretended they were going to a WELS pastoral conference. They also
skipped Professor Deutschlander in Atlanta to worship with Babtist Andy Stanley.


Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Fake Blogger In Panic Mode":

It's interesting to me that he thinks that self-justifying, hyper self-defensive, psychotic rage-filled rants are somehow convincing.

And posting their own anonymous opinions criticizing Pastor Jackson, myself and others is the preferred method of convincing others? Illegally posting comments in my name and attempting to capitalize on them with your own personal critiques is the preferred method of convincing others? Disregarding the fact that I politely informed you that I didn't post the infantile comments and my request that they be removed is the preferred method of convincing others?

Most people can read what has been written and judge the merits of the discussion concerning doctrine, personal opinion and people's actions for themselves.

If your opinions are to have any possible shred of consideration you would post your real names. But you want to say anything and do anything and not have it affect how others would view you. As the only outspoken group of (W)ELS clergy you are the distinct antithesis of 1 Peter 3:15, "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

The Ichabod caption describing your actions is accurate - "They vowed that together they would blog for truth, courage, honor and truth - anonymously"

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GJ - The reprobate mind of Romans 1 is emerging with clarity in WELS - in all its parts, including the well known (among the clergy) homosexual pastors. Yes, the pastors know which ones are living as homosexuals. What is done? Nothing.

I was happy for the latest ignorant comment on the fake blog. I was motivated to Photoshop Fuerbringer into a quotation from the old Concordia Cyclopedia.

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If these fellas won't sign their own name and thus reveal their identity, what makes us think that they would have any inkling of contending for the faith once delivered unto the saints? They have shown that they are both ashamed of being Lutheran and also that they are nothing more than weather vanes.

Mid-Week Advent Service.
December 7, 2011

"The blind receive their sight."
By Norma Boeckler



Advent, December 7, 2011

Pastor Gregory L. Jackson


Mid-Week Advent, Thursday, 7 PM Central

The Hymn # 62        O Come, O Come Emmanual            4.51
The Order of Vespers                                                         p. 41
The Psalmody            Psalm 2                                              p. 123
The First Lection                      
The Second Lection           
 The Sermon Hymn #657            Beautiful Savior                    4.24

Sanctified by the Word

The Prayers and Lord’s Prayer                                     p. 44
The Collect for Peace                                                       p. 45
The Benediction                                                               p. 45
The Hymn # 558     All Praise to Thee                           2.9

KJV Matthew 11:2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, 3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another? 4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: 5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. 7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? 8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. 9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. 10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

I.                     John’s mission – to send his followers to Jesus.
II.                 Jesus’ answer – to sanctify them with the Word and show Himself as the Messiah.
John had the greatest and most difficult work of all – to point to an ordinary looking man and said, “This is the Christ.”


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Finally, someone gets it correct about the Baptist sending the diciples out so Jesus could speak His Word to them. Most pastors argue that the Baptist had a lapse of faith, since he was in prison.

Thanks, Pastor Jackson. You better get with the program, though, about sanctification. Most Lutherans today, like their Arminian heros, teach that we sanctify ourselves.

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GJ - I kelmed that from Martin Luther.

Fake Blogger In Panic Mode



Fox Valley Jimmy said...
Jackson responded to the last post with more hearsay. Oh there's no official report about it, but peopls say stuff to him. When I am able to compare facts that he offers to reality, it's generally a half truth or a garbled remembering on his part of a past event. Case-in-point: Jackson made reference to a former blog (possibly associated with this one, I don't know) which parodied him. I personally thought it was pretty funny. In any case, it had a picture on it of a cat with its head in the toilet with the names of the Jackson cultists photo-shoped on to it's (sic> body. Jackson remembers this as a cartoon of his cultists "eating cat feces." This is utterly false - but one can see how his memory got garbled on this point. Whenever I read gossip on the Ichabod, I usually think its a grabled version of some event to fit Jackson's narrative of the fall of American Lutheranism.

BTW, I am not ignorant of the reference of Ichabod to 1 Samuel. The fact that he now claims that it is a reference to the departure of the means of grace is rather odd since 1.) After having looked through quite a lot of Lutheran theologians I have found no identification of the means of grace and the divine kabod or glory. 2.) It makes no sense. American Lutheranism has not lost the means of grace. As bad as American Lutheranism can be at times, the means of grace are still present creating faith. Luther claimed this was also true of the Roman Catholic church, despite its massive level of corruption.

Jackson's hatred of American Lutheranism has primarily to do with A. His need to feel smarter than everyone else. B. His sense of personal rejection by the established Lutheran Churches. They in effect to failed recognize his theological clap-trap as brilliant in the way he believed it was. His response to invent a make-believe conspiracy narrative where the Churches were all poisoned by UOJ- why else would they reject him? That leaves him and his small band of followers as the only enlightened people who can see the truth of the gospel- thereby validating his brilliance and orthodoxy against everyone else. It's an oddly transparent self-defense mechnanism.

Jackson will doubtless response to this with a series of childish insults and non-sequiturs. It's interesting to me that he thinks that self-justifying, hyper self-defensive, psychotic rage-filled rants are somehow convincing.

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GJ - I kept the graphics, which are not what Tim's friend (or Tim) claims. They show a scatological obsession, a real mental disorder. The speed of their disappearance says a lot.

The vague and anonymous disclaimers above mean nothing. The murder of Mrs. Tabor is part of the legal record. What the chief of police said was broadcast on TV. VP Huebner's father testified on behalf of the murdering Al Just at the trial where Just was justly convicted. That also is a matter of record.

WELS lying is axiomatic, not only from their training in GA and covering up for criminal friends, but more importantly from their opinion that they were born forgiven and saved. The current fake blog claims I endorse UOJ but criticizes me for publishes against their precious doctrine. So many contradictions are the sign of a booze-befuddled mind, a rock-hard liver, and soulless deceiver.

When is Tim's blog going to have anything edifying in it? Many are worried about his emotional state. Plagiarizing and lying about it takes it toll, even if the spineless DP approves.

Quote - After having looked through quite a lot of Lutheran theologians I have found no identification of the means of grace and the divine kabod or glory.



"The doctrine of the means of grace is a peculiar glory of Lutheran theology. To this central teaching it owes its sanity and strong appeal, its freedom from sectarian tendencies and morbid fanaticism, its coherence and practicalness, and its adaptation to men of every race and every degree of culture. The Lutheran Confessions bring out with great clearness the thought of the Reformers upon this subject."
"Grace, Means of," The Concordia Cyclopedia, L. Fuerbringer, Th. Engelder, P. E. Kretzmann, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1927, p. 299.




I have quoted this many times, with the observation that the Olde Synodical Conference has forgotten the Means of Grace in their Enthusiasm for such clowns as Groeschel, Driscoll, Stetzer, Sweet, and C. Peter Wagner.

Tuesday, December 6, 2011

The Green Bay Packers Gospel

"The G looked fine in the mirror when I put it on."


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The gospel according to Packers player Greg Jennings at St. Marcus Lutheran Church, Milwaukee, WI:

http://bcove.me/aqtnd02w 

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Summary of Greg Jennings message "preached" in a Lutheran church in the same place Rev. Mark Jeske preaches on "Time of Grace" TV:

"I truly believe that if you put forth the time and the effort and the passion, you can become and do whatever you want."

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/135108688.html

Jesus had a lot of passion. It got him crucified. (Thank God.)

"Ski, you are not too old to play for the Packers.
There is another reason."
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St. Marcus pupils listen intently as Jennings explains his favorite phrase he uses daily: It’s a great day to be great.:

http://www.jsonline.com/multimedia/photos/135109353.html#id_60295463

Exploring options for the administration building | Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS).
Sell P. U. Towers or Hochmuth Hall?
Sell Both and Lease Two Rooms at NPH.

This may be too modest for the WELS synod headquarters.


Exploring options for the administration building | Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS):


A Synodical Council task force is exploring all options in addressing the recent setback in plans to relocate the synod's administration building.

Here is a brief review of the situation. Earlier this year, the synod reached an agreement with a developer to sell the current administration building on Mayfair Road in Milwaukee, Wis., for $2.82 million. The sale was to be finalized in January of 2012, but the developer had until Nov. 4 to perform “due diligence” in making arrangements for rezoning and financing. When the offer was accepted, the Synodical Council authorized the purchase of a newer building in Pewaukee, Wis., for $2.85 million. The building was a perfect fit for our office needs, and we received an exceptional price on the property. That purchase was finalized last summer and tentative plans were made to move to the new building in December.

At the end of the due diligence period, the developer who had agreed to purchase the current building withdrew from the purchase agreement after concluding his planned project for the site was not financially feasible. This resulted in the synod now owning two buildings.

A task force was appointed by the Synodical Council to explore all options available to remedy this situation. Those options include renewed efforts to work with the city and interested developers to sell the Mayfair Road building. In addition, the task force will also be considering the possible sale of the Pewaukee property.

Obviously, it is not desirable for the synod to be holding two properties. However, we do have reserves that allow us to hold the two properties for a time without using any mission offerings to pay for this. The task force will consider all options carefully in an effort to arrive at a recommended course of action that will best serve the needs of the synod in the long term. The full Synodical Council will make any final decision.

Vacant positions
Two important administrative positions are currently vacant. The process to fill the positions of Director of Human Resources and Director of Communications has begun. Updated position descriptions for both positions will be made available after a review by the Conference of Presidents in December.

The duties of both of these positions have been temporarily reassigned to other staff members. We are working to ensure that the services provided in both areas will continue without interruption. Please note that the WELS Connection segments for January through April 2012 are being completed this month and will soon be distributed to congregations.

Advent preparation
As we prepare our hearts and homes for the Advent of our King, we direct our thoughts and worship to the One who came as one of us to redeem fallen mankind, and to the One who will come again in the clouds with all power and glory as the King of kings and Lord of lords. God’s richest Advent blessings to you all!

Serving in Christ,


Mark Schroeder


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GJ - Some remember when the synod staff consisted of Carl Mischke and his wife Gladys, working in a room or two at Northwestern Publishing House, at the bottom of the stairs.

That reduced the risk of a staffer being arrested by the police and the offices searched by the FBI - the most excitement at headquarters since the document shredding party for William Tabor.

Most of those staffers are useless. The magazine is waste of money. Slick Brenner called it The Ladies Home Companion, and that was before it really went downhill.

The Shrinkers love business models. Try this one - reduce the overhead by eliminating most of the staff. Reduce it even more by selling the two office buildings.

Perfect - Just enough room for needed staff.
Everyone else - get a job.
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When the offer was accepted, the Synodical Council authorized the purchase of a newer building

Accepting an offer buy your property is not the same as closing on the sale of your property, something a seller should do before buying another property.

SYNODICAL COUNCIL NENBERS (sic) - Check the original linked below!

Rev. Mark G. Schroeder, WELS president and chairman
Mr. Kurt L. Austad, Nebraska District
Mr. Warren Ehlke, Pacific Northwest District
Mr. Charles Fiedler,  South Central District
Mr. Seth Hansen, Dakota‐Montana District
Mr. Philip Hempel, Michigan District
Rev. Philip C. Hirsch, chairman, Board for Ministerial Education
Mr. Paul Holzhueter, Minnesota District
Mr. Mark Massmann, South Atlantic District
Mr. David Metzger, North Atlantic District
Mr. James Moeller, teacher‐at‐large
Rev. Peter Naumann, Conference of Presidents
Rev. Joel Petermann, Conference of Presidents
Rev. David Rutschow, Conference of Presidents
Mr. Tom Schlittenhart, Arizona‐California District
Rev. Larry Schlomer, chairman, Board for World Mission
Rev. Jonathan Schroeder, pastor‐at=large
Mr. Timothy Snyder. Southeastern Wisconsin District
Mr. John Tappe , Western Wisconsin District
Rev. Earle Treptow , pastor‐at‐large
Rev. Charles Westra, Chairman, Board for Home Missions

Advisory:
Rev. Keith Free
Rev. Brian Gerlach
Rev. James Huebner
Rev. Daniel H. Koelpin
Rev. James D. Liggett
Mr. Todd J. Poppe
Rev. Paul Prange
Mr. Mel Schuler
Mr. Martin A. Spriggs
Rev. Joel R. Voss

http://www.wels.net/sites/wels/files/WELS%20Leadership_0.pdf

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Contingency contracts, for buying before selling the original property.

Contingency purchase?
We don't need no stinking contingency contract!
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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Exploring options for the administration building ...":

"Here is a brief review of the situation...."

"the synod reached an agreement with a developer to sell the current administration building..."

Was this done at the synod convention? I missed that one.

"When the offer was accepted, the Synodical Council authorized the purchase of a newer building"

The SC "authorized." Was every member of the SC involved in the contract negotiations, did they see the paperwork, or did a representative(s) make a "trust me" recommendation?

"This resulted in the synod now owning two buildings....A task force was appointed by the Synodical Council to explore all options available to remedy this situation."

Was there not a "task force" in place to negotiate the sale of 2929 and purchase Pewaukee? If so, who were the members?

"The full Synodical Council will make any final decision."

Did not the full SC make the previous sell/buy decisions?

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GJ - They got a smokin' deal on Pewaukee Universalist Towers, so your questions are impertinent, immaterial, irrelevant, and just plain irritating.

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"Brett, I warned you.
WELS and ELCA and the Salvation Army work together.
We won't stand for that kind of questioning."


Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Exploring options for the administration building ...":

To add to the irritation: Where did the $8,000,000 go?! Where's the documentation detailing who allocated it, where, how and why?

The beatings will continue until offerings improve - or the WELS laity demand an accounting.

School official charged with soliciting sex from a minor had been investigated by DPI

School official charged with soliciting sex from a minor had been investigated by DPI:

""The fact that it gets swept into ‘health problems' makes it difficult for another employer," Robarts said. "Ideally, with things that serious ... they ought not to disappear and pop up in a different district."

Rainwater said the case "was handled appropriately.""

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McLoud School Board to discuss arrest of now-former teacher on child porn complaint | NewsOK.com.
Another Nobody Knows Nothing Story

McLoud School Board to discuss arrest of now-former teacher on child porn complaint | NewsOK.com:

 — School administrators said Monday they had no knowledge of inappropriate conduct or technology use by a teacher before she was arrested on child pornography and lewd conduct complaints.


These topics will be discussed during the McLoud School Board meeting at 7 p.m. Thursday, according to a news release.

The school principal had never received information about inappropriate conduct by Kimberly Ann Crain, 48, a teacher at McLoud Elementary School, before the incident at the teacher's home, according to a news release on behalf of McLoud Superintendent Doran Smith.


Read more: http://newsok.com/mcloud-school-board-to-discuss-arrest-of-now-former-teacher-on-child-porn-complaint/article/3629579#ixzz1flUJjTIA


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Monday, December 5, 2011

LCMS Synod President Matt Harrison Unfriended Me


We were Facebook friends when he was running for president. We still have 800 mutual friends.


Harrison might not have liked the way I reported on his kissing up to Paul McCain. Not long ago someone wrote to Waldo Werning, "Are you training a replacement?" The answer must be, "Yes!"


Werning was close to the Preus brothers and Herman Otten.


Werning is being reborn as Paul McCain. The difference - Werning kept most of his hissy fits private, instead of posting them all over the Net.

Recent Charges Of Sexual Abuse Of Children In Hollywood Just Tip Of Iceberg, Experts Say | Fox News.
World Child Pornography Ring

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NBC / Warner Bros.
Allison Arngrim (left) starred on 'Little House on the Prairie." She said stories about Corey Feldman and Corey Haim (right) being abused as child stars were common in the 1980s and 90s.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/12/05/recent-charges-sexual-abuse-children-in-hollywood-just-tip-iceberg-experts-say/#ixzz1fihnPcBV

Recent Charges Of Sexual Abuse Of Children In Hollywood Just Tip Of Iceberg, Experts Say | Fox News:



"Even though Feldman spoke candidly about the abuse, he hasn’t named the predator. “People don’t want to talk about this because they’re afraid for their careers,” says Peterson. “From my perspective, what Corey did was pretty brave. It would be really wonderful if his allegations reached through all of the protective layers and identified the real people who are a part of a worldwide child pornography ring, because it’s huge and it respects no borders, just as it does not respect the age of the children involved.”"

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Recent Charges Of Sexual Abuse Of Children In Holl...":

CDC (Center for Disease Control) Paedophile caught.

Quote, "It should be clear by now to any doubters after the recent uncovering of paedophilia horrors surrounding Penn State University’s football program and Syracuse University’s Basketball program - that indeed, America has a national epidemic on its hands.

One major feature of this particular heinous crime is that it is mostly hidden from public view because incidents occur under the shadow of well-established institutions who help to shield perpetrators from publicity by handling reports through internal affairs, or by simply turning a blind eye to known abuses, always in ‘the best interests of the institution’. In this way, a government or educational institution allows abusers to escape full reciprocity for their crimes.

The largest known institution to suffer such an epidemic is undoubtedly the Catholic Church, able to cover its own internal affairs for generations. Taxpayer-funded institutions are even more diabolical though, as crimes and the covering of crimes are inadvertently funded and maintained by a society collectively. For this reason, it is right to suspect that there are hundreds, if not thousands of Jerry Sanduskys and Bernie Fines carrying out deviant acts on innocent children every day across the United States - and under the protection of their respective institutions."

http://www.infowars.com/new-paedophilia-and-bestiality-scandal-compromises-the-cdc 

Man facing child porn related charges out on bail | CTV Edmonton.
FBI Closing the Net

Man facing child porn related charges out on bail | CTV Edmonton:

"Last week, after an extensive investigation and a tip-off from the FBI in Connecticut, members from the Alberta Law Enforcement Response Team's Internet Child Exploitation unit (ALERT, ICE) arrested and charged Stoesz, with possessing child pornography, and making it available."

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Child porn seizure may be largest in U.S. history

Child porn seizure may be largest in U.S. history:

"On July 8, officials with Homeland Security and ICE executed a search warrant at Peterson's home. The agents seized several hard drives and a laptop computer and one of the computers was in the process of downloading material when the agents arrived. A forensic analysis revealed Peterson had more than 500,000 images and 7,500 videos believed to constitute child pornography."

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SPECIAL REPORT - Who knew what, when in Kansas City priest child porn case | Reuters

SPECIAL REPORT - Who knew what, when in Kansas City priest child porn case | Reuters:

"That discovery last December yielded hundreds of such photos on the laptop of Father Shawn Ratigan, ultimately landing the 46-year-old priest in jail on multiple child pornography charges. He is awaiting trial next summer after pleading not guilty and remains jailed.

And, in what Catholic experts say is a first-ever event, authorities have filed criminal charges against Bishop Robert Finn, the leader of the 133,000-member Catholic Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph, because despite knowing about the pictures, Finn did not alert authorities."

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Washington Township volunteer coach arrested on child porn charges - NorthJersey.com

Washington Township volunteer coach arrested on child porn charges - NorthJersey.com:


Nelson, 39, a coach for the town’s recreational wrestling program, was arrested Dec. 2 and released Saturday on $100,000 bail, Hudson County Deputy First Assistant Prosecutor Debra Simon said.

Nelson declined to comment when reached by telephone Monday.

He was charged with both possession and distribution of child pornography, officials said.


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Enid man arrested for child porn - KFOR.
Familiar Details

Enid man arrested for child porn - KFOR:


Police say Bowen had hundreds of images and videos of child pornography on a laptop, desktop computer, hard drives and dozens of DVDs.

They confronted Bowen at his workplace and say they got a confession.

"They went and talked to him and he was very open about everything that he did," Det. Tim Doyle said. "He admitted to downloading lots of images and videos. He also admitted that not only did he have the child pornography on the laptop that we found at his house, but he also had a storage unit that contained different types of media and another computer with child pornography on it."


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Murder? They Asked.
WELS Cover Ups of the Past

Roger Zehms was the circuit pastor
who baptized Tabor's illegitimate child in Cape Girardeau.
He said, "The spitting image of Tabor."



Fox Valley Jimmy said...
"Please fill us in about what has not been proven, linked, quoted, etc. In fact, your deceit is unproven, unsupported. A WELS pastor said, "Everything I have checked, whenever the information was available, has proven to be true."

Yeah, like, how about the claim about some guys committing murder and the WELS covering it up? Is it me or is it somewhat ironic that Jackson writing in a tone of psychotic rage denies having psychotic rage- as he tells us that we should take his word for it that everything is verifiable? Your telling me that you heard some WELS pastor say "something, something" isn't really proof. This is just too easy!


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GJ - WELS Pastor Roger Zehms (now at Jeske's congregation) said they all knew William Tabor was an adulterer when they took him into the Wisconsin Synod. Zehms told me about the day he baptized a baby in Tabor's congregation - "The spitting image of Tabor."

Pastor William Bischoff (Trinity, Bridgeton) had been LCR at one time, as Tabor had been. He knew about many people who wrote letters to WELS, telling them not to accept Tabor as a pastor. WELS did so anyway.

I had lunch with the editor of  The Northwestern Lutheran (Schaeffer). He told me and Mrs. I, "When the police asked for Tabor's file, it was empty!" That means, of course, that someone threw away all the incriminating evidence sent to the synod.

WELS claims that Tabor already had a call to Escanaba, Michigan when he and his Milwaukee mistress murdered Mrs. Tabor. So Tabor was able to pick up and move to a new congregation with a murder accusation over his head. When the chief of police in Milwaukee retired, he said his one big regret was not nailing Tabor for the crime. Tabor's mistress went to prison, but the WELS pastor did not. In fact, he served in the UP for one or two years. That shows what WELS thinks of its congregations. Need a murdering adulterer - take this guy.

WELS and Tabor did more damage. I will leave it at that.

DP Mueller said he did not tell congregations they were calling an adulterer because, "They won't take him!" The layman with me was appalled.

Al Just was convicted and sent to prison for murdering his wife, even though First VP Huebner's father took the stand to defend good ol' Al. Just married his children's baby-sitter while in the pokey, but she got wise and divorced him. One on my contacts saw Al helping with a WELS youth group.

WELS pastors in Phoenix still insist that Al Just did not murder his wife. I got an email from a Michigan Lutheran Seminary staffer saying, "My uncle is innocent!" The murderer was convicted, and he also confessed.

I was warned never to bring up the Just murder again, because "it is a sensitive topic."

I was also told to lay off of SP Schroeder for being such a poor leader. He has already proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The People's Republic of Minnesota Pays the Price

Stadler was a pioneer in divorce and remarriage, with many WELS clergy to follow.
The late and unlamented Iver Johnson edited the WELS hymnal
and crossed out his 50 year marriage to marry his mistress.
From such wild oats has come the crop of crimes today.

bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "WELS Watergate? Waterloo? Or Another Tabor, Just,...":

I know that Minnesota requires all clergy to have a background check ever since the RCC priest-boy scandals. The LCMS doesn't send any unmarried vicars to Minnesota as a precaution--to minimize potential conflicts with the state. Otherwise, the state might become even more stringent.This means, especially if every denomination does the same, that many women from Minnesota who would have been pastors' wives won't be from now on. The Hochmuth scandal surely doesn't help church-state matters any.

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GJ - Maybe the women of Minnesota are better off.

Elton Stroh At a Crossroads.

Elton Stroh was invited to mislead the kiddies at Martin Luther College, WELS.
DP Buchholz did not believe me when I told him how the synodical schools
invited the Church and Changers, lauding them as heroes.


AC V has left a new comment on your post "Divinely Called by Whom":

I'm sure they're lining up:

Dear brother in Christ:

I’m anxious to announce that, beginning in 2012, Crossroads Consulting will offer another ministry planning option and begin using an all-inclusive planning tool which (sic) I recently designed.

Ministry Planning Options: Congregations now have the opportunity to consider which ministry planning approach (i.e. Comprehensive, Modified, or Basic) would be most helpful.

New Planning Tool: This unique instrument will be utilized with all three ministry planning approaches and will help congregations accomplish both long- and short-range planning at the same time, and a lot more.

I welcome you to browse the Crossroads web site where you’ll have access to recently posted materials.

As the New Year begins, you and your leaders may be discussing your congregation’s gospel ministry challenges and opportunities. If you would like to add a consultant’s perspective to your discussions, please let me know.

Assisting God’s people with pursuing his (GJ - whose? - Elton's or God's?) mission,

Elton

Pastor Elton C. Stroh

Executive Director | Crossroads Consulting Ministry

608-837-3819 | elton.stroh@timeforcrossroads.com | timeforcrossroads.com

Remember the Faces of WELS UOJ.
They Cover Up Their Synodical Crimes.






Anonymous said...
It's a bit creepy. Jackson now has 41 official posts on Hochmuth. He claims that the WELS must have known. But why? My boss doesn't have any idea about my political or religious belief, much less what I look at on the internet. Why should the WELS hierarchy have known anything about Hochmuth?
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GJ - Joel Hochmuth was previously counseled for his man-boy addiction. WELS has clammed up about who knew what and when. 
However, the local area network administrator at WELS Headquarters, The Love Shack, where 300+ man-boy pictures and videos were found, definitely had access to computers used by Hochmuth for viewing. Use of the computers for viewing would have a record. There are various ways to supervise and protect a computer network against compromise, abuse, and spamming. Why has no one been fired?

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Samuel Thrace said...
The think (sic) that has really bothered me about his reporting of this story on his blog is the glee he has in telling the tale. To him, apparently, this is is not a tragic story involving real people and real sins; this is something to celebrate because it "confirms" his point about the WELS. There is no Christian concern for those involved. There is not even any human concern. There is only joy and revelry that happened so that he can have some vehicle to make his point about UOJ. In the words of Buzz Lightyear, he is a sad, strange, little man and he has my pity.
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GJ - Buzz Lightyear is your muse? That is alarming. As before, the UOJ law-mongers have nothing to offer but condemnation. They read minds and judge motives. The graphic below was designed by an active WELS member disgusted with this scandal.

Anonymous said...
Jackson just did another weird diatribe about the make-believe crimes of the WELS. Let's say that half to stuff he says isn't just made up (I've searched for confirmation of a lot of his claims, and it never seems to check out). Isn't human nature always the same across the ages? Isn't the Church always infected with sin?

The title of the blog is telling "the glory has departed." What glory? The "good old days" were never around. People in the old days just covered things up better! Jackson endlessly complains about human nature being human nature. How can anyone who believes in the doctrine of original sin be surprised by human wickedness. All you can do is try to restrain the effects of sin- something it seems to me the WELS has done in this case.

Lastly, what's this about?:

"WELS still denies the fact that two men murdered their wives."

I can't find any press release denying this (hence they never officially have denied this, it appears)- neither can I find any news stories on the internet that talks about this.

Whenever he's challenged, he says he has his "sources"- sorry if I'm a little skeptical! Am I supposed to just take his word for it?

Ok, so you're obviously filled with psychotic rage on a daily basis, you have a grudge against the WELS, and none of the charges you make against the leadership can be verified. But I'll just take your word for it! Right....
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GJ - Please fill us in about what has not been proven, linked, quoted, etc. In fact, your deceit is unproven, unsupported. A WELS pastor said, "Everything I have checked, whenever the information was available, has proven to be true."
Your ignorance of the Bible and Lutheran doctrine is appalling. The glory is the peculiar glory of the Means of Grace. Ichabod is a Biblical term, not one based on nostalgia about one particular sect.
Psychotic rage is a good description of Tim Glende and Company. He posted captioned photos of WELS members eating cat feces from a toilet, and he named those people. Several of us saved those photos for evidence. That blog disappeared, but nothing really vanishes from the Net.
Books created through Bethany Lutheran Church have gone all over the world, hundreds of them given away. NPH has a friendly relationship with me. I review NPH books and the official WELS publishing house sells Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant.
We are all waiting to see what Glende and Ski have contributed, not including hundreds of sermons they have stolen--without credit--from Craig Groeschel.
Covering up and trivializing this heinous crime is the clearest possible proof of the cruelty, self-centeredness, and blindness of WELS.


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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Does Tim Glende Really Want To Lead the Defense of...":

Once again, it is time to put the flak jackets back on, fellow Ichabodians. We are right above the target and drawing fire from the enemy. The head out of the gutter comment is a cheap shot. The synod minders will always carry water for the crowd that they run with.