Friday, October 19, 2007

Church and Change
Filled with Joy




Official Church and Change Mascot,
The Frog in the Kettle


The Vote Is In

"What an awesome experience. I won't miss another one of these conferences again!"

"I loved all the sharing that was going on. I came to hear ideas for my church youth outreach program and was overloaded by the end of the second day."

"It was awesome to hear our WELS hymns played Koine, Michael Schroeder and all the other bands in a contemporary style and performed not only well but, done in a way that the message and worship factor wasn't lost."

-----Thank You-----
The 2007 conference was a huge success!


We talked about it. You liked it. We're making the Conference Follow-up page and it will be on a plate and ready to serve you soon!


Visit the 2007 Conference Webpage for more information





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Thank You To Thrivent


Who (sic) is a significant sponsor for the church and change convention


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The Church and Change group is interested in practicing and promoting innovation in ministry methods throughout the WELS especially at the "grass roots" level. There are a number of resources from which to choose. Sort through our Idea Exchange for the approaches to ministry that are at work in congregations. Select Articles that will stimulate your thinking about ministry. Click through our Link and Learn resource for websites that may offer your church some benefits.

The resources we offer here are intended to stimulate thinking about serving the Savior and His kingdom. Since these resources are not necessarily written from a conservative Lutheran perspective, sanctified discretion is required when evaluating these materials.

Thank you for visiting our site and we look forward to hearing from you.


Board of Apostate Directors:

Pastor Ron Ash Chairman

Jeff Davis Vice Chairman

Sarah Owens Secretary

Barry Spencer

Caleb Cordes

Pastor Bruce Becker

Pastor John Huebner

James Skorzewski

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This is new Conference Follow-up page. Right now we are working on getting the conference speakers and their topics added soon will be the vendors and then the concepts everyone submitted at the conference. New ideas and contacts are being add every day.

Find the idea you want and email the contact for more information!

Keynote Speaker 2007
Breakout 101.... Extreme Makeover: Church Edition
Breakout 102.... WHEN OPRAH CAME TO CLASS (Making Creative and Visual Bible Studies)
Breakout 103.... Growing Your Congregation’s Staff from Within
Breakout 104.... Priming Passion and Performance
Breakout 105.... Grant Writing 101
Breakout 106.... Meeting the Needs of Today’s Families (Creative Ideas Any Church Can Do)
Breakout 107.... Creating a Culture of Generosity in Your Church



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2007 Conference Keynote Speaker: Breakthrough Thinking in WELS Ministry

John Di Frances jdf@difrances.com www.difrances.com
From John’s experience, the Evangelicals are great at connecting with people, but are often lacking in the depth and solid foundation of biblical truth. John joined a WELS congregation because he is convinced that WELS teaches the truth of God’s Word. But he has also observed that WELS isn’t necessarily very good at connecting with and engaging people or being seen as relevant to life today by non-Christians. John is personally convinced that WELS can impact our world in ways that surpass the impact of the Evangelical movement. But to do so will require some break-through thinking.



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Breakout 101.... Extreme Makeover: Church Edition
Pastor Adam Mueller pastormueller@yahoo.com
Is your congregation stuck in the mud? Has attendance plateaued? Are offerings stagnant? Maybe your congregation needs an extreme makeover.


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Breakout 102.... WHEN OPRAH CAME TO CLASS (Making Creative and Visual Bible Studies)
Pastor Tadd Fellers pastor@grace-charlotte.org
Tap into your creativity in developing and promoting your classes with PowerPoint and other media. Spice up your Bible studies. Capture interest. See ways you can create multisensory lessons without being gimmicky. Discover how to relate current events and timely topics to the Bible’s timeless truths.


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Breakout 103.... Growing Your Congregation’s Staff from Within
Dr. Lawrence Olson OlsonLO@mlc-wels.edu
The WELS Congregational Assistant Program (CAP) encourages and equips members, men and women alike, for a broader ministry within a congregation.
WELS Pastoral Studies Institute (PSI), which guides and assists men from a broad cultural spectrum through their pre-seminary and seminary training.


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Breakout 104.... Priming Passion and Performance
Pastor Jeff Gunn jeff@crosswalkinlaveen.org
Ministry is a stewardship—a management task. We all go through times when we feel we’re drowning in a sea of detail and drained from trying to do too much. We’re constantly looking for ways to more faithfully manage the ministry God has given us. Engage in dialogue on the issue of how we as pastors, teachers and volunteers can keep learning and growing so that, with the help of God, we remain passionate and ready for whatever he throws us.

Charis/Church and Change


This announcement is on the CHARIS web page.

At a special meeting on August 29, 2007, the Board of Directors of the Center for the Humanities, Arts, and Religion in Society (CHARIS) voted unanimously to continue the suspension of CHARIS' operations. This decision was made because the members of the Board were unable to agree upon CHARIS'' activities during the next year.

Dr. Mark Braun
Chairman, CHARIS Board of Directors

"However, Church & Change is alive and well. The rumors of its demise have been highly exaggerated, sadly."


From Rob on Point:

Charis found that schools stunted congregation growth

Before WELS' COP emasculated WLC's Charis, a Charis research study announced the discovery of a few large, growing WELS congregations. The study did not name those congregations publicly. Perhaps anonymity was supposed to preserve their virgin condition. Charis hoped for follow-on study of the pastors involved. The new, reconstituted Charis may loath opening old wounds, so we may never know their names or stories.

The problem with the old Charis was they used WELS' Statistical Reports to arrive at unpopular conclusions. When Charis analyzed all 1000+ WELS congregations and concluded that LES and ECE programs stunted congregation growth, Charis had to go.

Synods are job programs, and the mission of the COP is to make sure that every MLC grad who wants to work has employment for life. WELS rationalizes overspending on schools (schools are jobs) by insisting that schools are outreach. Charis challenged that pillar of faith.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Charis/Church and Change":

I believe the people who justify schools on the basis of "outreach" are much less numerous than those who still hold that Lutheran education on the elementary level is worth any cost. In fact, the "schools as outreach" notion is generally vigorously opposed by the same kinds of people who oppose all the CG, C&C junk that's floating around.

So, Charís is unpopular not because their findings go against "outreach" or "jobs," but because a large number of Wisconsin Synod Lutherans feel that Lutheran education is worth the money. Furthermore, Charís is unpopular because they take something like schools (a noble undertaking) and turn it into just another factor in the ever-growing algorithm of Church Growth.

ELCA BMs Share Doctrinal Unity with WELS/LCMS




Martin Marty, former LCMS, now ELCA,
frequent WELS speaker


Let the River Flow is a "connecting event" event for pastors, staff, and other leaders of large ELCA congregations and "anyone who feels they can benefit from this opportunity".

June 18-21 at Prince of Peace Lutheran in Burnsville, Minnesota.
Featured speakers are:

  1. Martin E. Marty, was a featured speaker at Wisconsin Lutheran College (WELS),
  2. Barbara Rossing, ELCA seminary professor,
  3. Reggie McNeal, Becoming Missional, Fuller Seminary Professor, 2005 C & C speaker,
  4. Wyvetta Bullock, ELCA pastor, worked with WELS on AAL Membership Initiative,
  5. Leonard Sweet, liberal Methodist, helped cause C & C cancelation, 2005,
  6. Ken Medema, musician,
  7. Peter Eide, musician and kid's speaker.


Four out of seven ELCA speakers have worked with WELS or were booked for the Church and Change Schwaermer-fest in 2005. Martin Marty has worked with WELS several times. He spoke at WLC, but he also spoke for the ELCA-LCMS-WELS evangelism conference in Florida.

Wyvetta Bullock was a division head of ELCA when she helped coordinate the Membership Initiative lavishly funded by AAL (now Thrivent). The Membership Initiative, another embarrassing flop, united ELCA, WELS, and Missouri in evangelism training and study. Evangelism is "outside the framework of fellowship" in WELS, so quite growling.

Reggie McNeal and Leonard Sweet were booked for the 2005 Church and Change event, causing such turmoil among the normally comatose WELS clergy that C & C was shut down. Finished. Dissolved. "Game over, man! Game over!" Truthfully, for we know that Holy Mother WELS always lies, C & C was booted upstairs to The Love Shack. The most recent apostasy conference was registered through the official website, not WLC's Charis. For outsiders, Charis is the official journal of WLC apostates.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "ELCA BMs Share Doctrinal Unity with WELS/LCMS":

Proof Positive: Religion is the Devil's playground!

Episcopalian Apostasy



From Virtue Online:

Episcopal Church Fights Declining Ordinations, Clergy Loss, Dwindling Membership

By David W. Virtue

www.virtueonline.org

9/29/2007


The Episcopal Church faces a triumvirate of problems that is seeing the denomination decimated of people. TEC is facing serious clergy loss, declining ordinations and millions of dollars spent on litigation to keep and maintain parishes that are, in many cases, no longer viable.

The church claims 2.4 million members. In reality, less than 800,000 attend weekly services. Even that figure is seriously being compromised as more than 700 orthodox Episcopalians leave weekly because of the church's rejection of the authority of Scripture and its sub-biblical positions on human sexuality, specifically the blessing of same-sex unions and the consecration of a non-celibate homosexual to the episcopacy. Following the Sept. 30 deadline the Episcopal Church has been given by the Primates of the Anglican Communion to repent and become Windsor-compliant, that figure is expected to escalate.

Average Sunday attendance is considerably lower than membership figures. They are more reflective of what is happening at the parish level every week.

Here are the following estimates in summary. From 2005 to 2006 the Average Sunday Attendance (ASA) declined by 11,000 members, based on 2005 domestic ASA to 787,000. That's down 1.4% for the year. In 2002 domestic ASA was 847,000, 8% less attendance since the Robinson consecration, or 71,000 fewer people attending the Episcopal Church every week, and the decline is continuing. Most dioceses are still in absolute decline with only 2 or 3 growing. The ones that are growing are experiencing only very modest growth. The 2006 ASA graphs are now online and can be viewed here:

Episcopal Church, 2006 graphs.

Small-membership in The Episcopal Church is defined as having a Sunday attendance of 70 people or less. Nearly half of all congregations in the Episcopal Church fall into this category.

Small membership churches are located in a variety of different settings. In the Episcopal Church 30% are in rural and open country (In the Episcopal Church, the Diocese of Virginia has the greatest number of congregations that fall into this category.), larger town or small cities (50%), downtown (5%), older residential (7%), older suburb (6%) and newer suburbs (2%).

Their membership indicates that 26.5% are growing, 26.7% are stable with 46.8% declining.

A Clergy Age profile and Ordination trends in the Episcopal Church report, delivered at the recent HOB in New Orleans and obtained by VirtueOnline, reveals a catastrophic future for the church with over half of the Episcopal clergy - 52.7 percent - being within ten years of the normal retirement age (65) or older.

The Episcopal Church could potentially lose half of its current active clergy within the next 10 years, in contrast to the profession's possible attribution rate of 22.5%.

The number of those coming into the priesthood between the ages of 18 and 34 is less than five percent. Those aged 35 to 44 is 12.5% with those aged 45 to 54, a whopping 30%. Those aged 65 or older was 9.1%.

From an educational perspective in 2006, only 20% of professional clergy held a Master's Degree. Among those 35 - 44, 29% had a Master's degree; 29% of those aged 45 to 54 had a Master's degree; and only 18% of those aged 55 to 64 held a Master's degree.

Ordination trends look even more discouraging, according to the Church Pension Fund.

The overall evidence is that there is an increasing number of older ordinands coming into the ministry.

While 71% of ordinands in the 1960s were under 35, only 24% will be in the same age group in the 2000s. A predicted 53% of ordinands during this decade will be age 45 or older.

While the absolute numeric clergy shortage has been reversed, the trend toward an older average age at ordination continues.

Despite the increasing number of ordinations since 2000, over half of recent ordinands will retire in the next 25 years.

"We predict that Generation X will not sustain this high rate of midlife ordinations, and when large numbers of Baby Boomers begin to retire, the rate of ordination of people under 45 will not be enough to replace the retirees."

The one bright note the report concluded was that a smaller denomination calls for fewer clergy. Like other Mainline Protestant denominations which have been declining over the last 30 years, the Episcopal Church has decreased from over 3 million members in the mid-sixties to less than 2.5 million.

In 2006 the Gallup organization interviewed 11,000 adult Americans between 2002 and 2005. They found that 44 percent of Americans attend church weekly or almost weekly. The poll also revealed that Episcopalians are not only far below the national average in church attendance, they are far below the average for mainline Protestant denominations.

According to Thomas C. Reeves, author of "The Empty Church: The Suicide of Liberal Christianity," nearly half of children who grow up in the Episcopal Church leave the church when they reach an age of decision. The average Episcopalian is much older than the average American, or the average churchgoer.

A Gallup poll, seventeen years ago, showed that only 9 percent of Episcopalians considered their church "excellent," compared to 27 percent of Protestants, in general.

Dr. Kirk Hadaway, director of research for the Episcopal Church Center, offers his analysis of the decline. According to the Blue Book, "In addressing the reasons for the loss of members since the 2003 General Convention", Dr. Hadaway said the explanation is complex and that the decline mirrors declines in all mainline churches over the last two years. At most, he said, "a third could be attributed to the actions of General Convention. Perhaps of greater consequence is the fact that The Episcopal Church has the lowest birth rate and highest mean age of any mainline denomination, meaning that church growth must come through evangelism to the unchurched. Cultural trends (athletic and entertainment schedules, etc.) also have their effect on the size and vitality of local congregations."

In other words, the Episcopal Church is the most aging, stagnant denomination in American Protestantism today.

As one of America's leading sociologists, author of 20 books and an Anglican Dr. Os Guinness observed, "When the leaders of a faith deny the heart of the faith and advocate positions long considered antithetical to its views, and still remain its leaders, what does it say of the fidelity of the leaders and the integrity and authority of the faith? Some of the greatest writers of the nineteenth century, from across the Western world, were among the voices warning of the church's stupidity in trying to improve on God's ways, or of the insanity of trendy clerics fatuously sawing off the branch of faith on which they were sitting."

Throw a Stone Over the Fence: Dog Howls




I heard an expression that fit some of the comments on this blog and others. "If you throw a stone over the fence, one dog will howl...the one that got hit."

I have noticed that many times. I have accumulated a unique collection of orthodox Lutheran quotations, Reformed Church Growth statements, and WELS/LCMS/ELCA CG pronouncements. When does the dog howl?

A. Some Lutherans hate having Luther quoted. I sent some quotations from Luther about the ministry and one woman said, "Now you will be fired."
B. Some Lutherans hate having their synodical CG heroes quoted, just as much as the gurus themselves loathe it. One tireless CG promoter said to my friend, "I am not Church Growth." My friend said, "You have him denying it. That's progress."

The dog howls many different ways. Here are the typical WELS canine howls:
1. You did not talk to the person first. (Public doctrine does not require a private rebuke. This is quite different from spitting on the sidewalk.)
2. You are getting people upset. (Why identify a problem when leaders are content to let false doctrine grow?)
3. You are unloving. (False teachers are vicious and nasty, but the clever ones let their unbalanced pals do the dirty work. One district pope came up to me to deliver a honker of a lie from his CG pal. "You never talked to him about this." Actually, I did, and the spineless coward almost ran from me to avoid any conversation. I had to trap the guy with a flank speed walk that cut him off at the pass. Then I sat at dinner with him.)
4. You spoke to the person directly. (In other words, one must speak to false teachers but cannot for fear of upsetting them.)
5. These quotations are old. (The Formula of Concord dealt with old but recent errors that needed correction: good works are necessary for salvation, good works are injurious to salvation.)
6. If you don't like it, why don't you leave the synod? (A perfect synod cannot accept any kind of correction. False doctrine suggests that Holy Mother Synod is a ho.)
7. You are destroying/dividing the synod. (That was delivered through an acquaintance from the son of former SP Carl Mischke. That was also used by the so-called Church of the Lutheran Confession. District Pope Mueller, who condoned false doctrine and clergy adultery said, "You cause trouble everywhere you go.")

I know Lutheran men who have turned off the comments section of their blog. That is a mistake. Yes, the blog will attract those little boys who want to comment anonymously without fear of consequences. I noticed that some are now avoiding any link that might identify them. The synod minders do this all the time through word-of-mouth. WELS pastors are deathly afraid of "The Grapevine." Stir up the wrath of Holy Mother WELS and The Grapevine will invent and spread slander. I like making their work public.

Fellow bloggers, the Word is audibly efficacious when the dog is howling.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Throw a Stone Over the Fence: Dog Howls":

I know of one now retired WELS pastor who passed off every concern and criticism as "hearsay". He would then always invoke point #1. The problem was that he personified the abusiveness of WELS called workers upon the laity. That's why members talked behind his back. The best treatment that they could expect when voicing a concern would be that of Pavlov's dogs. They never knew if they were going to be beaten or fed when the light came on. It should not surprise any of us that this pastor was quite skilled at using the "8&18 switch".
If you want get some people mad, tell them a lie. If you really want to get them mad, tell them the truth.

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Michael Schottey has left a new comment on your post "Response to New Poll by WELS Lay Student":

I like to call it the "Paul Kelm Special"

To believe in the efficacy of the Word of God is a finite fact. You either do or you don't.

To make at "insofar as" clause after that is at best a confusion of terms, or a weak faith in the efficacy of the Word. At worst, for those who preach and teach such things, they are apostate.

It is the Holy Spirit who calls, gathers, enlightens, and sanctifies, and he does so in his own time, with the Means of Grace, wherever he wills it.

Mega churches stealing from one another, refusing to feed the souls of their people is not "discipling all nations" it is stealing the weak sheep from others flock, only to further damage their souls.

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WELS lay Student has left a new comment on your post "Response to New Poll by WELS Lay Student":

A few comments on the responses to my post:

1. The use of the word "but" was wrong in my original post. I should have used "and". However, I don't think that would have change the responses.

2. To Schottey, You stated, "it is the Holy Spirit who calls, gathers, enlightens, and sanctifies, and he does so in his own time, with the Means of Grace, wherever he wills it." I agree with you 100%. But is it not possible that the Holy Spirit is inspiring the use of "non-traditionalist means" to bring others to faith.

I don't think you are saying that the only way the Holy Spirit can bring someone to faith is through the traditional WELS methods; however, part of me thinks you are alluding to it.

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rlschultz
has left a new comment on your post "Throw a Stone Over the Fence: Dog Howls":

Michael Schottey's observation about Mega churches stealing from one another is right on target from what I have seen. The weak sheep do tend to wander from one mega church to another. A fitting description for them might be "spiritual gypsies". I was always told by WELS pastors that it was inproper to engage in sheep stealing. With this in mind, why would the WELS embrace the Church Growth Movement so much?

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Throw a Stone Over the Fence: Dog Howls":

The dysfunctionality you describe is on the money. They do not wish to be confused by the facts. The truth is what they want it to be.

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Brian P Westgate has left a new comment on your post "Throw a Stone Over the Fence: Dog Howls":

#5 reminds me of the socialist/neo-con "the Constitution is a 'living document'" theory. Utter nonsense.

Anyways, to the student, the Holy Ghost works when and where it pleases Him, through the means He has ordained, the preaching of the Holy Gospel and the administration of the Blessed Sacraments. The Western Rite is full of the Scriptures, full of justification by grace through faith. Every thing about it confesses Christ, even the incense, vestments, and whatever else may be properly used with this rite. Therefore, your statement to Mr. Schottey sounds very much like that of a "schwaermer."

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Check Out the Official Position of WEL versusLuther

How to become a Seminary President
"Useful Ideas for My Ministry from the Church Growth Movement...The Church Growth Movement--Strengths and Weaknesses...The Church Growth Movement--An Evaluation...Church Growth Sounds Good, But...Dangers of the Church Growth Movement...Friendship Evangelism...Rationale for Friendship Evangelism..."
Prof. David J. Valleskey, Class Notes, The Theology and Practice of Evangelism, PT 358A

Olson’s False Doctrine IS a Barrier
"We cannot add anything to the Word, but we may be able to remove the human barriers which might be in the way of the Word."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "See How It Grows: Perspectives on Growth and the Church," EVANGELISM, February, 1991, Parish Consultant for the WELS Board of Parish Services and his district's Coordinator of Evangelism. p. 3.

Think What Fuller Seminary Could Have Done for Luther
"We can't do a thing to make his Word more effective. But surely we can detract from its effectiveness by careless errors and poor judgment. It just makes good sense to utilize all of our God-given talents, to scour the field for appropriate ideas, concepts, and material (sic), to implement programs, methods, and techniques so that we do not detract from the effectiveness of the gospel we proclaim. Church growth articles, books, seminars, and conferences can offer such ideas and programs."
Pastor James Huebner, Spiritual Renewal Consultant, Notebook, School of Outreach IV, Seventeen Ways to Keep Your Church from Growing, p. 178.

Kelm – Ashamed of the Gospel
"Don't let the world paint us into a corner of antiquarianism on subjects like a six-day creation or verbal inspiration."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," J-027,303 p. 13.

Kelm – Browbeat Them into the Kingdom

"Thesis Seven: Sound Apologetics Can Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good...Logic never converted anyone; but Christianity is logically defensible, once one makes reason ministerial to God and His Word...Read C.S. Lewis, Francis Schaeffer and Josh McDowell for practical apologetic tools. In fact, lend your copy to the prospect whose intelligence and education have become his curse. Once you've read Josh McDowell's 'Lord, Liar, or Lunatic' argument for the deity of Christ, you'll find yourself using it."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," p. 14.

Kelm – Sound Doctrine Has No Effect on What He Practices
"A last word on sound doctrine is in place. Sound doctrine must be distinguished from tradition, praxis and preference. The liturgy, translation of the Bible, vestments and organizational policies of the church are not equatable with sound doctrine."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," p. 3.

Kelm – Not the Word, But Felt Needs
"Non-Christians usually become good prospects for personal reasons or as I like to say: 'They come for sociological reasons and stay for theological reasons.'" [Note: this is the felt needs approach of Fuller, also endorsed by Pastor Forrest Bivens, now a professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary: "I went to Fuller Seminary and I happen to believe we can use sociological methods to bring people to church so we can apply the Means of Grace." Midland circuit get together, attended by Pastor - now DP - John Seifert.]
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," J-438 p. 4.

Kelm – Think Big, Be Big…So Why Is WELS Shrinking with Such Big Thinkers?
"Small churches need not be small thinkers, but small-thinking churches will always remain small. Churches and people seldom go/grow beyond their expectations."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," See Waldo Werning and Robert Schuller for the same thought. Did the Apostles know this? p. 6.

Kelm – People Are Effective; the Word Is Not Efficacious
"Thesis One: Sound Doctrine Sounds Good When Good People Sound it. Normally, people respond to other people before they respond to doctrine."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," p. 7.

Larry Oh! WELS Staff Infection –
I Only Have ONE Degree from Fuller, and It Isn’t Much

"Please stop exaggerating the amount of study that I have done at Fuller. After four years of study at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, which involved sixty-two different courses and a year of vicarage, I graduated in 1983. From 1987 to 1989 I took four courses where I was in a classroom with a Fuller instructor. That is the extent of my Fuller coursework...In addition, I have taken two courses at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School and one at the University of Wisconsin--Madison. Because of Fuller's liberal (would you expect anything else?) policy on transfer of credit, and because of two independent studies I undertook, I could complete the degree by simply writing a dissertation."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "A Response to Gregory L. Jackson, Ph.D.," Christian News, 3-28-94, p. 23

Olson – Methods Are Effective
"While only the Word is efficacious, the methods we use to minister to people with that Word may vary in their effectiveness."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "See How It Grows: Perspectives on Growth and the Church," EVANGELISM, February, 1991, Parish Consultant for the WELS Board of Parish Services and his district's Coordinator of Evangelism. p. 2.

Olson – the Word Needs Human Wisdom to Work
"Contemporary social and behavioral sciences are a working out of the reason which God has given to humanity. Granted, the assumptions of some sociologists or anthropologists may be inconsistent with the Christian faith. That calls for discernment, but it does not invalidate the proper use of the social sciences by the church; it is, however, essential that they be used in a 'ministerial' manner."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "See How It Grows: Perspectives on Growth and the Church," EVANGELISM, February, 1991, Professor, Martin Luther College, (WELS), p. 3.



Olson – See How WELS Has Shriveled with MY Ideas from Fuller
"It is appropriate to make use of educational research to improve the functioning of our small group Bible studies."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "See How It Grows: Perspectives on Growth and the Church," EVANGELISM, February, 1991, Parish Consultant for the WELS Board of Parish Services and his district's Coordinator of Evangelism. p. 3.

Wake Me Up When It’s Over
"Wouldn't it be terrible to sleep through the Second Reformation? Cell Group Churches. The New Lifestyle For New Wineskins. Cell Group Churches Are Really Different! A 'Cell Group' Church is built on the fact that all Christians are ministers, and that there is no 'professional clergy' hired to do the work of ministry. According to Ephesians 4, God has provided 'Gifted Men' to equip 'Believers Who Are Gifted' to do the work of ministry...The life of the church is in its Cells, not in a building. While it has weekly worship events, the focus of the church is in the home Cells."

Touch Outreach Ministries, P.O. Box 19888 Houston, TX 77079 1-800-735-5865 "Cell Groups For Reaching The Unchurched Are Called...SHARE GROUPS. Touch Outreach Ministries has spent many years experimenting with the best way to train Cell Group members to form 'Sub-Groups' called SHARE GROUPS which specifically target evangelizing the unchurched. SHARE GROUPS are 'pre-Bible study' Cells, which bond relationships between three Christians and six unbelievers. A series of three small books are used over a 27-week period of training. The first book, called 'BUILDING BRIDGES, OPENING HEARTS,' guides the SHARE GROUP Team through the first part of the strategy." Touch Outreach Ministries, P.O. Box 19888 Houston, TX 77079 1-800-735-5865 p. 7.

Cell Groups Make the Word Effective
"The point being made here is that the reason for having home Bible study in small groups seems to have shifted from the Pietists' or parachurch groups goal of creating cells of people who will reform the church to having small groups as an integral part of a congregation's work."
Prof. David Kuske, "Home Bible Study Groups in the 1990s," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly, Spring, 1994. p. 127.


Peterson Leaves the Ministry on a Low Note
"In my opinion, therefore, Church Growth receptivity and 'soil testing' techniques are often unfairly criticized as if they were by definition synergistic. It is a fact that some fields are, for various historical and sociological reasons, more receptive to the preaching of the gospel and church planting than others. Our home and world mission boards make these judgments all the time in deciding where to begin churches or send missionaries."
Rev. Curtis Peterson, former WELS World Mission Board, "A Second and Third Look at Church Growth Principles," Metro South Pastors Conference Mishicot, Wisconsin, February 3, 1993 J-222 p. 12 Mark 4:

Luther – Remember Him from Church History Class?
"Likewise, in the matter of preaching, we must make selection that order may be preserved. But since all who are Christians have authority to preach, what will be the outcome? for women will also want to preach. No so. St. Paul forbids women to put themselves forward as preachers in a congregation of men and says: They should be subject to their husbands." [WELS has women in authority over men, contrary to the efficacious Word.]
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 375. Pentecost Tuesday 1 Timothy 2:11-12.



A Contrast – The Book of Concord and the Word of God

"And this call of God, which is made through the preaching of the Word, we should not regard as jugglery, but know that thereby God reveals His will, that in those whom He thus calls He will work through the Word, that they may be enlightened, converted, and saved. For the Word, whereby we are called, is a ministration of the Spirit, that gives the Spirit, or whereby the Spirit is given, 2 Corinthians 3:8, and a power of God unto salvation, Romans 1:16. And since the Holy Ghost wishes to be efficacious through the Word, and to strengthen and give power and ability, it is God's will that we should receive the Word, believe and obey it."

Formula of Concord, SD XI. #29. Election. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 1073. Tappert, p. 621. Heiser, p. 289. 2 Corinthians 3:8; Romans 1:16.

Pentecostals a Flop in Australia


Bruce Church of Lutheran Notes has sent me an interesting news link.

Australian Pentecostals Losing Ground

Churches struggle as old guard promoted to glory

Linda Morris Religious Affairs Reporter

October 1, 2007


THE number of Australians identifying themselves as Christian will plummet over the next 20 years as an ageing generation of dedicated churchgoers dies out, analysis of census figures shows.

Painting a bleak future for Christian faiths, the Christian Research Association predicts the ranks of non-believers will steadily grow while there will not be enough young converts to replace elderly congregations.

The research also questions one of the few success stories of Christianity, the Pentecostal churches, challenging assertions that they are hotbeds of Christian recruitment.

The association's senior researcher, Philip Hughes, said the bulk of growth in Pentecostal churches came from the natural growth of families as churchgoers married and raised their children in the faith. The number of converts was being offset by those who drifted out of the church.

Dr Hughes said rates of Christian identification were likely to fall to less than 60 per cent by 2025, reflecting declining interest in religion and spirituality in general. But present trends did not imply that the decline would continue until churches ceased to exist. The rate of Christian adherence was likely to settle at 50 per cent within 30 to 40 years, depending on immigration patterns.

"Denominational leaders should be concerned about the census figures," Dr Hughes said.

"Even those denominations showing the greatest growth are not doing very well. Given all the effort that is put into evangelism among the Pentecostals, a net growth by conversion, apart from births, of 13,800 people in 10 years across Australia by all the Pentecostal churches combined is not great growth."

Dr Hughes said there was no evidence that the decline in church attendance detected in the 2006 census might be arrested as baby boomers with more time on their hands considered returning to the church in their retirement.

The Salvation Army and the Uniting Church, with ageing congregations, were among the Christian groups to have suffered the greatest decline. The Uniting Church also appeared to be suffering from divisions over gay ministers. Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam boasted the fastest growth.

The greatest growth of any Christian denomination was for the evangelical Christian Brethren Assemblies, which has no formal links with the Exclusive Brethren.
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Response to New Poll by WELS Lay Student


WELS lay Student has left a new comment on your post "How does the true Church grow? New Poll.":

It is correct that the true church grows by the means of grace; however, there is something to be said about the delivery of the means of grace.

For example, let's say a vacation bible school teacher is going to give a devotion for a group of early primary grade children. The children, as most kids do, are running around in chaos. He simply starts reading the devotion, thinking in a "legalistic" only by means of grace mentality. He feels that they means of grace will calm them down and they will come to faith.

Ok, now I understand this is a scenario that goes against most people's common sense. However, I know it has happened. The point is that people do come to faith through the means of grace, but maximizing the conditions in which they are presented is common sense. Things like a large community "marketing"(for lack of a better word)and a more contemporary worship service can be applied in many cases to maximize the conditions.

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GJ - I posted this to show how Lutheran doctrine has degenerated. Obviously the wording or thinking has come from The Love Shack. If an idiotic idea is repeated often enough, others will agree with it and pass it on. I heard the same message from Frosty Bivens in John Seifert's driveway, about 20 years ago. He began by saying he went to Fuller Seminary and thought that their methods could be used to draw people to the church so the Means of Grace could be applied.

Bivens' comment and the one above show a lack of trust in the efficacy of God's Word, a complete trust in marketing.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Response to New Poll by WELS Lay Student":

The comment by WELS lay student is just another example of those "yeah, but" apologies for the CGM. Lutheran doctrine truly has degenerated.

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Phil Rehberger has left a new comment on your post "Response to New Poll by WELS Lay Student":

Isaiah 28:

5 In that day the LORD Almighty
will be a glorious crown,
a beautiful wreath
for the remnant of his people.

6 He will be a spirit of justice
to him who sits in judgment,
a source of strength
to those who turn back the battle at the gate.

7 And these also stagger from wine
and reel from beer:
Priests and prophets stagger from beer
and are befuddled with wine;
they reel from beer,
they stagger when seeing visions,
they stumble when rendering decisions.

8 All the tables are covered with vomit
and there is not a spot without filth.

9 "Who is it he is trying to teach?
To whom is he explaining his message?
To children weaned from their milk,
to those just taken from the breast?

10 For it is:
Do and do, do and do,
rule on rule, rule on rule;
a little here, a little there."

11 Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues
God will speak to this people,

12 to whom he said,
"This is the resting place, let the weary rest";
and, "This is the place of repose"—
but they would not listen.

13 So then, the word of the LORD to them will become:
Do and do, do and do,
rule on rule, rule on rule;
a little here, a little there—
so that they will go and fall backward,
be injured and snared and captured.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Response to New Poll by WELS Lay Student":

Greg, I can't believe you criticized this WELS lay student. If you personally would read a devotion for a bunch of kids, wouldn't you make them sit still first and pay attention? If you were teaching a catechism class, would you make sure your students were attentive, rather than scribbling doodles in their notebooks? That's all this person was trying to say. He (or she) then applies the argument to the broader ministry of the congregation--don't we want to have conditions as ideal as possible so people pay attention to the Word that's spoken to them so it makes it from the ear to the heart? Where are you coming from on this?

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GJ - Follow the Big BUT of False Doctrine, please. And I quote:

The point is that people do come to faith through the means of grace, BUT maximizing the conditions in which they are presented is common sense. Things like a large community "marketing"(for lack of a better word)and a more contemporary worship service can be applied in many cases to maximize the conditions.

Kelm, Bivens, Huenbern, Olson, Valleskey have perfected the Big BUT of False Doctrine. First the correct doctrine is affirmed (usually in a smart-alecky way...we all know that the Word is efficacious). Then the Big BUT of False Doctrine is used to repudiate orthodox doctrine and replace it with Reformed nonsense.

Maximizing conditions
is typical Reformed talk. We have to make the Word attractive, relevant, harmonious with human reason. I really groan when I read another example of "not preaching in German to an English-speaking audience." If only they would preach in German...if only they knew German...if only they would preach instead of lashing people with synodical law.

If people receive the true Gospel, they will not need a cattle prod to witness to their faith. If the pastor believes in the efficacy of the Word, he will not hesitate to sow the seed with abandon. Fullerites cannot even get the Sower parable right.

What would I do with noisy, difficult kids? I would settle them down with the Law. "You are not being respectful toward the Word of God." I got one marriage-scared man to marry the mother of his three children that way.

Mass marketing is a flop, Anonymous. The only way it works is when creating a liberal pan-Protestant congregation with no confessions and be-bop Seeker Services on Sunday.

Art by Norma Boeckler




I have been negligent in giving credit to Norma Boeckler for the artwork posted on Ichabod. Above is a drawing of hollyhocks she provided for Jesus, Lord of Creation.

Readers may find many examples of her art at:

Norma Boeckler's Domain

and

Jesus, Lord of Creation.

Mrs. Boeckler also illustrated Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant (except for the Seven-headed Luther).

Leonard Sweet Interviewed at Concordia, St. Louis




"President Rev Dr. Dale A. Meyer interviews liberal Leonard Sweet at the Concordia Seminary auditorium (old chapel) after he gave a well received presentation:

Special SemCast with Leonard Sweet
http://www.concordiatheology.org/
(scroll down just a little - oops, don't pass it)"

The link provides a puff interview of Sweet. Apparently Lutheran seminarians are so bereft of spiritual insights that they need a liberal Methodist to guide them in homiletics. Sweet loves to play icky word-games, such as naming something a progress rather than a retreat (wait for subdued ahs and chuckles). Etc. I suspect he borrows them from all over.

The Pope as Grinch





Breitbart News
As temperatures hovered around nine degrees celsius (48 degrees fahrenheit) thousands of pilgrims who gathered in the square were treated to the rare sight as the 78-year-old pope arrived for the audience in his popemobile, waving to the crowd.

His secretary removed the hat when the pope sat in his throne for the beginning of the ceremony, for which his headwear was the usual round zucchetto cap.

No pope since John XXIII, who died in 1963, has worn the traditional Camauro in public, though its use by popes goes back to the 12th century.

Thursday, October 18, 2007

Watch for WELS/LCMS BMs




LCMS Rev. David Born is encouraging congregational BMs.




People wonder why I dwell on past errors in the Synodical Conference. "The child is the father of the man," as one poet said. The early days predict what will happen in the future. When we go back a few decades, the present debacle is easier to understand.

I have to apologize for being unaware of the Becoming Missional (BM) fad developing out of Fuller Seminary. Here is a quotation from an LCMS site:

LCMS World Mission began working with a dozen LCMS districts in a pilot project for revitalization in 2005. It begins with a process called “Motivation for Mission” that’s designed to shift a congregation’s spiritual paradigm. After completing the course, congregations must decide whether to become missional or continue "business as usual." Participating districts in the 2005 pilot identified 255 declining congregations that were invited to take part in the Bible study and its follow-up component, “GroupsAblaze,” a small-group process for building an outreach-focused congregation. Learnings from this initiative will become the basis for a Mission Revitalization Institute, conducted by the Center for U.S. Missions in Irvine, Calif.

From Donald McGavran we learned that "God wants His church to grow," but the bearded saint never mentioned being faithful to God's Word.

The new incarnation of the Church Growth Movement is Becoming Missional. The LCMS is mouthing the same words with a new twist, as Rev. David Born declares:

God desires all Christians to be missional, and in most cases, people have just forgotten what their first love was and why they existed as a congregation to begin with. The role of LCMS World Mission revitalization ministry is to help declining congregations “get back to where they were in the beginning” of their ministries. As dying congregations once more begin to thrive, their success stories will encourage others in similar situations to seek help, too.

The original Church Growth Movement was horrible enough, with its call for congregations to join a local Planned Parenthood chapter. The Becoming Missional fad will be far more activist, as becomes an apostate seminary. When the BMs arrive in local congregations, left-wing activism like ELCA's will follow. The ELCA uses the term mission to describe its role in redeeming society.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Response to New Poll by WELS Lay Student":

The comment by WELS lay student is just another example of those "yeah, but" apologies for the CGM. Lutheran doctrine truly has degenerated.

How does the true Church grow? New Poll.



How does the true Christian Church grow?



  1. Smells and bells high-church.
  2. Blitz the community with marketing.
  3. Seeker Services and cell groups.
  4. Only through the Means of Grace.


Vote near the bottom of the page. So far, 100% of the votes are for the Means of Grace.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "How does the true Church grow? New Poll.":

Christ spells it out in the Great Commission. Unfortunately many in the ministry feel that they know better, and can dismiss it, not preach it, and not practice it as a church.

GJ - Isn't it interesting that the clearest possible farewell sermon has been turned into Law? Instead of Preach, Teach, and Baptize, we get - Manufacture Disciples or your church will not grow.

That is what happens when Lutherans get their marching orders from the Reformed and their Pentecostal sychophants.

Pastor-Friendly Poll


Which synod is the most pastor-friendly?


ELCA 8 (12%)

LCMS 28 (43%)

WELS 27 (41%)

ELS 2 (3%)


Change your vote

Votes so far: 65

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A person or persons unknown loaded the poll toward WELS at the tail end. The LCMS was clearly winning. Pope John and Gaylin Schmeling got their two votes in. ELCA? OK, I can accept ELCA as pastor-friendly if it is interpreted as anything goes.

Can WELS Be Salvaged?


Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Fall, 1985 - Do You Know Where Your Doctrine Is?":

Turning WELS around seems difficult to impossible. Are we fighting the ‘Synagogue of Satan?’ In 50 words or less please, why is WELS such a mess? What can members do about it?

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Anything is possible with the Word. However, I doubt whether WELS pastors have the spine to apply the Word and the Confessions to their situation. They would have to confront or boycott all the Church Growth Leonard Sweet-hearts, address the doctrinal issues in public, and support discipline against false teachers and criminals.

Luther faced much worse, but he trusted the Word and applied it consistently, no matter what the cost. Then, when Luther died, the Lutherans came unglued. However, 34 years later, the Formula of Concord united the Lutherans again.

"Since now, in the sight of God and of all Christendom [the entire Church of Christ], we wish to testify to those now living and those who shall come after us that this declaration herewith presented concerning all the controverted articles aforementioned and explained, and no other, is our faith, doctrine, and confession, in which we are also willing, by God's grace, to appear with intrepid hearts before the judgment-seat of Jesus Christ, and give an account of it; and that we will neither privately nor publicly speak or write anything contrary to it, but, by the help of God's grace, intend to abide thereby: therefore, after mature deliberation, we have, in God's fear and with the invocation of His name, attached our signatures with our own hands."
Thorough Declaration, Of Other Factions and Sects, Formula of Concord, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 1103.

Why WELS Is an Abusive Cult




Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "McGavran Influence on the Synodical Conference":

You wrote:

"I get appreciative emails (signed) from laity every day."

If that were really true, you would post them.

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GJ - As Marge Gunderson said in Fargo, "I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou."

I have posted many emails, without names. Anyone can post a comment with a name, and some do. If I posted emails and their signatures, the writers would be subjected to the abuse many have suffered before.

Believe me or not. I hear from pastors and laity. I have many sources who keep me up to date about many things. Obviously my view is limited, but I do provide plenty of support for my assertions.

I post the nasty comments so people know they are not alone. Missouri and ELCA are no better than Wisconsin, just slicker. The Little Sect on the Prairie is very much like WELS, but they will never admit it.

If someone wants to call me a liar, that individual should point out the deception. The same is true of slander, etc. All I get from anonymous comments is a string of names.

WELS has to pretend it is perfect. Anyone who questions this alleged perfection is ousted. Strangely, the Church Growth knot-heads have made a career out of attacking the former leadership and practices of WELS. They were going to make everything better. They used the WELS KGB (Jack Preus' term) to make sure no one got in their way. They achieved their victory. More in the next post.

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MLS Veteran has left a new comment on your post "Why WELS Is an Abusive Cult":

To call WELS an "abusive cult" I think is a bit out of line. I will admit, though, that our members tend to be some of the "coldest" Christians, on average, I have ever met.

I don't mean everyone has to be huggy-huggy, kissy-kissy with everyone. But we sure could stand to be a bit friendlier.

As a young person I was always struck by the macho posturing that many of the young men felt a need to display that went well beyond what I saw in my experiences outside of the WELS. Perhaps no-one wanted to seem to soft or be accused of being effeminate.

In general, I believe with the core doctrines of the WELS, I just wish we were sometimes a friendlier bunch of people.

GJ - Teaching God's Law would bring about genuine contrition. Then the Gospel would find receptive hearts, prosper, and the fruits of that preaching would be evident. Man-made law will never generate friendliness.

Out of line? No other denomination would accept an extensive hazing system that starts in 9th grade and extends into seminary. (I hear a secret GA still goes on, and my source is good.) A denomination where a tooth is knocked out in GA, a leg is broken, a prep school boy is dropped from the second floor window, a college student is knocked unconscious, a seminarian is thrown into raw sewage, etc - is abusive.

Whenever someone contacts me about being thrown out of WELS, I say, "That is a blessing."

Sound Doctrine
versusFalse Doctrine




"'If there ever was a strictly conservative body, it surely is the Missouri Synod. Nevertheless, this growth!...It is a mark of the pastors and leaders of the Missouri Synod that they never, aye, never, tire of discussing doctrine on the basis of Scripture and the Confessions. That is one trait that may be called the spirit of Missouri. People who thus cling to doctrine and contend for its purity are of an entirely different nature from the superficial unionists who in the critical moment will declare five to be an even number. God will bless all who value His Word so highly.'"
Dr. Lenski, Kirchenzeitung, May 20, 1922)cited in W. A. Baepler, "Doctrine, True and False," The Abiding Word, ed., Theodore Laetsch, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1946, II, p. 515f.

"We should not consider the slightest error against the Word of God unimportant."
What Luther Says , An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, II, p. 637.

"Error and heresy must come into the world so that the elect may become approved and manifest. Their coming is in the best interests of Christians if they take the proper attitude toward it. St. Augustine, who certainly was sufficiently annoyed by wretched sectaries, says that when heresy and offense come, they produce much benefit in Christendom; for they cause Christians industriously to read Holy Scriptures and with diligence to pursue it and persevere in its study. Otherwise they might let it lie on the shelf, become very secure, and say: Why, God's Word and the text of Scripture are current and in our midst; it is not necessary for us to read Holy Scripture."
What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, II, p. 639.

“You cannot of a truth be for true doctrine without being unalterably opposed to false doctrine. There can be no 'positive theology' where the God-given negatives have been eliminated from the Decalog."
Norman A. Madson, Preaching to Preachers, Mankato: Lutheran Synod Book Company, 1952. Preface.

Proclaiming the Word - A Stone in the Pond



"The preaching of this message may be likened to a stone thrown into the water, producing ripples which circle outward from it, the waves rolling always on and on, one driving the other, till they come to the shore. Although the center becomes quiet, the waves do not rest, but move forward. So it is with the preaching of the Word. It was begun by the apostles, and it constantly goes forward, is pushed on farther and farther by the preachers, driven hither and thither into the world, yet always being made known to those who never heard it before, although it be arrested in the midst of its course and is condemned as heresy."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 202. Ascension Day. Mark 16:14-20.

McGavran Influence on the Synodical Conference




"In the light of church growth principles as they are promulgated in many mission schools these days, the question naturally arises as to whether or not our approach to world mission work is in need of reassessment or improvement."
Ernst H. Wendland, "Church Growth Theology," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly,
April, 1981, 78, p. 108.

"Recently we had opportunity to read a book written by Dr. George W. Peters, Professor of World Missions at Dallas Theological Seminary, who is also a leading spokesman for the Evangelicals."
[Note: Peters is Who's Who in Church Growth]
Ernst H. Wendland, "Missiology--and the Two Billion," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly,
January, 1974, 71, p. 14.

"THIS QUESTIONNAIRE WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS A RESEARCH INSTRUMENT, PART OF REV. DAVID LUECKE'S INVESTIGATION INTO THE NEED FOR PASTOR DEVELOPMENT. HIS HYPOTHESIS, WHICH WAS CONFIRMED BY THE RESEARCH FINDINGS, WAS THAT PASTORAL EFFECTIVENESS RELATIVE TO CONGREGATIONAL GROWTH WAS PREDICTABLE FROM THE
ATTITUDES OF THE MINISTERS...THIS TOOL HAS BEEN PREPARED AS A CONSCIOUSNESS-RAISING DEVICE TO HELP MINISTERS ASSESS THEIR OWN NEEDS FOR CONTINUED TRAINING IN CHURCH GROWTH AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIVELY FOCUSED AREAS.
Fuller Evangelistic Association, Copyright, 1981, MINISTERIAL ATTITUDES DESCRIPTION QUESTIONNAIRE, Sent to congregations using the Spiritual Renewal Consultant program, headed by Rev. Paul Kelm, 1990, p. 1.
(The consultants were trained at Fuller Seminary, which may surprise no one. David Luecke was the LCMS pastor who was a dean at Fuller Seminary, then took a CG congregation in the Cleveland area.)

"Marketing churches to reach people is consistent with biblical principles and doesn't mean the message needs to be watered down or compromised, according to researcher George Barna...Church growth is primarily accomplished by word of mouth. Barna advised clergy to see themselves as cheerleaders rather than leaders, as laypeople carry out the practical marketing of the church."
News From Around the World, The Northwestern Lutheran, November 15, 1991, p. 395. (George Barna is a favorite of CG types.)

"Types of Groups...This table relies on information from Eddie Gibbs. I Believe in Church Growth, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1982, pp. 275-279."
School of Outreach IV, Notebook, WELS Evangelism Commission, p. 51.
Eddie Gibbs is Who's Who in Church Growth

"How do we get there (Resources)...1. Book (3 ring binder): Facing the Facts for Church Growth by Diane Barber and Kent R. Hunter, a step by step manual for understanding 'all you ever wanted to know and more' about the nature of graphs...This is a very good resource...Order from the Church Growth Center."
School of Outreach IV, Notebook, WELS Evangelism Commission p. B-5.
Kent Hunter is (Who's Who in Church Growth

"PRINCIPLES OF GROWING CHURCHES - APPLIED TO THE LARGE CHURCH. 1. Church growth begins with a desire, commitment, and expectation for growth on the part of the pastor and lay leadership. The pastor and congregation must want to grow and be willing to sacrifice for growth. The congregation has a mission statement."
School of Outreach IV, Notebook, The Large Church, WELS Evangelism Commission
p. 45.

"Every congregation of the WELS was provided a TRACT CATALOG reviewing tracts from CTM, ATS, ACTS and IBS at the 'Getting Everyone Involved' District Evangelism Worships held in '89." [Note: George Barna, Who's Who in Church Growth, is on the board of ACTS. Faith, Prayer and Tract League, recommended on
the same page, offers decision theology: Grand Rapids, 1-616-453-7695]
WELS, Notebook, School of Outreach IV, p. 223.

"RESOURCES AVAILABLE...CALLING IN LOVE; A HANDBOOK FOR THE TELEPHONE OUTREACH. Order from Church Growth, Inc...Monrovia, CA, 1-800-423-4844...Evaluation: It offers almost everything you will need to know when it comes to using the telephone for outreach."
WELS Evangelism Workshop IV, LOCATING THE LOST, p. 53.

"THE EXPANDED PHONE'S FOR YOU! by Norman W. Whan. Order from Church Growth Development International...Cost $229."
[The original version, which was copied verbatim by WELS mission congregations,
had a deceptive dialogue script for phoning and brochures which suggested joining the church "to meet new friends, develop self-confidence..."]
WELS Evangelism Workshop IV, LOCATING THE LOST, p. 55.

"The role of worship seen by the Church Growth movement is not the same role of worship understood by the Lutheran Confessions. This must be said from the beginning in order to be fair to both the Lutheran Confessions and the modern Church Growth movement. My paper is indebted to Dr. David Leucke on this point and I am confident that his Evangelical Style and Lutheran Substance will be an invaluable aid to this discussion. Leucke has offered an indepth review of what principles can be identified in the newer, faster growing churches which have been studied by the Church Growth movement."
WELS Evangelism Workshop IV, LOCATING THE LOST, Larry A. Peters, "Lutheran Worship and Church Growth," LCMS Commission on Worship, p. E-1.

"Some in the Church Growth movement have challenged Lutherans to give up their 'style' while keeping their 'substance.'...How can we utilize the Church Growth movement to help us reach out with the Gospel without changing the basic definition of what it means to be Lutheran?"
WELS Evangelism Workshop IV, LOCATING THE LOST, Larry A. Peters, "Lutheran Worship and Church Growth," LCMS Commission on Worship, p. E-2.

"Neither things I shared with you nor any of my writings, published or not, substantiate the implications that I am an advocate of Church Growth theology. I did attend a Pasadena forum on Church Growth featuring Win Arn and others...I therefore request a public apology from you for making an unfounded accusation against me based on the fact that I attended a Church Growth conference. My attendance is no greater proof (by association) of my alleged Church Growth advocacy than your attendace at and degree from Notre Dame is proof of your acceptance of Roman Catholic heresy!"
Rev. Norman W. Berg, WELS, former mission board chairman, Letter to Gregory L. Jackson, 3-27-96. GJ - So why was Berg promoting Felt Needs and associating with TELL, which was started specifically to promote the Church Growth Movement?

"What do people mean when they talk about effective church growth principles? Do we make God's kingdom come? 'God's kingdom certainly comes by itself,' Luther wrote. Ours is to sow the seed. We hamper the kingdom if we sow carelessly or if we do not sow at all. But we do not make it grow."
Mark Braun, The Growing Seed, What Do People Mean When They Talk about Effective Church Growth Principles? The Northwestern Lutheran, September 1, 1991, p. 300. Mark 4:26-29. GJ - Braun's article repudiated Biblical doctrine, especially the parable he pretended to teach.

"Types of Home Groups, by Karen Hurston (Church Growth Assoc.), from material by Bob Fulton."
WELS Campus Pastors, Small Group Training Conference, Jan. 7-9, 1991, Madison. p. 10.
GJ - Yes, they were promoting Pietistic Cell Groups.

"Incidentally, during my mission counselor days in California during the 80's, I did take a course at Fuller from Carl George and Peter Wagner. I am grateful for the opportunity to have done so because it helped me to see through the lousy theology espoused by David Luecke in "Evangelical Style and Lutheran Substance" a book, by the way, which has been roundly criticized in WELS circles as your own columns have noted." no date
Rev. Joel C. Gerlach (WELS) to Pastor Herman Otten. GJ - Gerlach hated Fuller theology so much that he constantly promoted Manufacturing Disciples Who Manufacture Disciples Who Manufacture Disciples. .
[Gerlach taught at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary. Like Wayne Mueller, he left the faculty.]

"TELL has served the church faithfully for 15 years. Three editors have served; Ronald Roth (1977-84), Paul Kelm (1985-88), and the undersigned since 1989...The lead article in the first issue of TELL was titled 'Church Growth - Worthwhile for WELS.'...The author of this article in April 1988 issue of TELL concludes, 'It's obvious by now that I believe we in WELS can profit greatly from the writings of the church-growth leaders.' ... TELL as a separate publication ends with this issue. Nevertheless, the focus of The Evangelism Life Line will continue for years to come as an integral part of the new Board for Parish Services journal - PARISH LEADERSHIP.
Rev. Robert Hartman, TELL (WELS Evangelism) Summer, 1992.

"'Church growth.' I've seen people cringe when they hear those words. I think I know why. They react negatively because they feel 'church growth' implies an obsessive fixation with numbers and statistics."
Pastor James Huebner, Spiritual Renewal Consultant, Notebook, School of Outreach IV,
Seventeen Ways to Keep Your Church from Growing, p. 178.
GJ - #18. Hire a CG consultant trained at Fuller. Hey, that one really worked well!

Huebner's Reformed Doctrine - Now He's a WELS VP
"We can't do a thing to make his Word more effective. But surely we can detract from its effectiveness by careless errors and poor judgment. It just makes good sense to utilize all of our God-given talents, to scour the field for
appropriate ideas, concepts, and material (sic), to implement programs, methods,
and techniques so that we do not detract from the effectiveness of the gospel we
proclaim. Church growth articles, books, seminars, and conferences can offer
such ideas and programs."
Pastor James Huebner, Spiritual Renewal Consultant, Notebook, School of Outreach IV,
Seventeen Ways to Keep Your Church from Growing, p. 178.

"Church growth theory suggests the need for seven fellowship groups for every 100 members."
Pastor Paul E. Kelm, The Evangelism Life Line (WELS), Winter, 1985, p. 4.

"Non-Christians usually become good prospects for personal reasons or as I like to say: 'They come for sociological reasons and stay for theological reasons.'"
[Note: this is the felt needs approach of Fuller, also endorsed by Pastor
Forrest Bivens, now a professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary: "I went to
Fuller Seminary and I happen to believe we can use sociological methods to bring
people to church so we can apply the Means of Grace." Midland circuit get together, attended by Pastor - now DP - John Seifert.]
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects,"
p. 4.

"In an article on the small group movement, J. A. Gorman notes that 'both the Church Growth Institute of Fuller Seminary and the American Institute of Church Growth became centers for influencing the use of this means for evangelizing." (Christian Education, Moody Press, 1991, pp. 509, 510)
Prof. David Kuske, "Home Bible Study Groups in the 1990s," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly, Spring, 1994. p. 126.

"Several of our brothers have been warning us to be careful about the leaven of The Church Growth Movement and the insidious Reformed doctrine contained within. Not a few of us have heard their warning and have thought to counter the danger by saying we will weed out the erroneous material and use only that which is proper and beneficial to the Lord's work in our congregations. Fellow-shepherds, there is some evidence to show that that is exactly what the devils wants us to think. That seems to be used to lull us and our members into sleep, and without our intending it, the soul-harming false doctrines creep in undetected, under the guise of religious printed materials and programs."
Michigan District President Robert Mueller, (WELS),
"President's Report to the Conferences, Spring, 1991, p. 2.

"There is no Church Growth Movement Program in our synod. Our church body is opposed to the false theology of the Church Growth Movement. We have no programs inside or outside the budget with that name. Nor do we have any programs with a different name which utilize Church Growth theology."
Wayne D. Mueller, Administrator for the BPS, WELS, "A Response to 'Saving Souls vs. New Programs,'"
The Northwestern Lutheran, November 1, 1991, February 1, 1992 p. 50.

"There may be pastors or congregations which use methodology which church growth people use. This does not mean they have adopted the theology of the Church Growth Movement. Our Lutheran Confessions allow complete freedom among our churches in methodology that does not conflict with the gospel."
Wayne D. Mueller, Administrator, Parish Services, "A Response to 'Saving Souls' vs.'New Programs,'" The Northwestern Lutheran, February 1, 1992, p. 50.

"...and in the process we got a look at the inside of his study. [WELS pastor David Reichel, Mandan, ND] He's got all the standard reference works you'd expect to find in a confessional Lutheran pastor's office. But the handiest shelf, right at chest level, was reserved for a long row of binders from annual seminars at Fuller."
Source: Pastor Paul Naumann, CLC. April 1, 1996, e-mail.

"Please stop exaggerating the amount of study that I have done at Fuller. After four years of study at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, which involved sixty-two different courses and a year of vicarage, I graduated in 1983. From 1987 to 1989 I took four courses where I was in a classroom with a Fuller instructor. That is the extent of my Fuller coursework...In addition, I have taken two courses at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School and one at the University of Wisconsin--Madison. Because of Fuller's liberal (would you expect anything else?) policy on transfer of credit, and because of two independent studies I undertook, I could complete the degree by simply writing a dissertation."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "A Response to Gregory L. Jackson, Ph.D.," Christian News, 3-28-94, p. 23

"You may reply that by 'Fuller-trained' you mean anyone who has attended a worshop presented by the Charles E. Fuller Institute of Evangelism and Church Growth, an agency which is independent of the Seminary. If that is the case, your attribution of 'Fuller-trained' is still simply not true. It would surprise me if even half of the two dozen people on your 'WELS/ELS Who's Who' list have attended a Fuller workshop; I personally know of only five who have."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "A Response to Gregory L. Jackson, Ph.D.," Christian News, 3-28-94, p. 23.

"Donald C. McGavran died at home home in Altadena, California, on July 10, 1990. He was 92 years old. Dr. McGavran is widely recognized as the founder of the church growth movement, a movement which has sought to put the social sciences at the service of theology in order to foster the growth of the church. In August of 1989 I borrowed a bicycle and pedaled several miles uphill up from Pasadena to Altadena. I found Dr. McGavran in his front yard with a hose in hand, watering flowers."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "See How It Grows: Perspectives on Growthand the Church,"
EVANGELISM, February, 1991, Professor, Martin Luther College (WELS), p. 1.

This Explains WELS and Missouri BMs
"The church growth movement has made inroads into nearly every denomination in America. Once considered only the turf of conservative evangelicals, you will now find church growth practioners in the United Methodist Church, in the Presbyterian Church in the USA, and among the Episcopalians. The LCMS has more pastors enrolled in the Doctor of Ministry program at Fuller Theological Seminary, the seedbed of the movement, than are enrolled in the graduate programs at their Fort Wayne and St. Louis seminaries combined, and most of them include church growth as part of their studies."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "See How It Grows: Perspectives on Growth and the Church," EVANGELISM, February, 1991, Parish Consultant for the WELS Board of Parish Services and his district's Coordinator of Evangelism. p. 1.

"When Frederick Horn faced that situation, the Holy Spirit moved him to accept the call, and for the last few years he has served as the [lay] Minister of Discipleship for Grace Lutheran in downtown Milwaukee." (Pastor James Huebner Fuller alumnus)
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary,, "Another Kind of Minister, There's a lot to do in a church, and a staff minister can do a lot of it,"
The Northwestern Lutheran, March, 1994, p. 9. Olson is director of staff ministry at MLC.

"In the autumn of 1985 and the winter of 1985-1986, a truly momentous step was taken by the five Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS) congregations in the metropolitan area of Columbus, Ohio. The five pastors and lay representatives of those churches organized and incorporated Lutheran Parish Resources, Inc., the first Church Growth institute in the WELS."
David G. Peters, "Lutheran Parish Resources: Pilot Program in Church Growth,"
Mequon: Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, April 27, 1987, p. 1.

"Lutheran Parish Resources, Inc. (LPR) is dedicated to the concepts of the Church Growth movement only insofar as they agree with the Scriptures and as taught by the WELS--that is, Church Growth with Lutheran theology rather than Evangelical, and without the typical Church Growth emphasis on quantitative measurement of growth. Kent R. Hunter's definition of 'Church Growth' justifies the use of this term in describing LPR: 'Church Growth: That science which investigates the nature, function and health of Christian churches as they relate specifically to the effective implementation of God's commission to make disciples of all peoples (Matt.
28:19). Church Growth is simultaneously a theological conviction and an applied
science,....' Foundations for Church Growth, p. 187.
David G. Peters, "Lutheran Parish Resources: Pilot Program in Church Growth,"
Mequon: Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, April 27, 1987 p. 1.

"Please display this [Team Evangelism, Church Growth] prominently. The WELS is more committed to the church growth movement than LCMS."
Note from Robert Preus to Herman Otten, Church Growth Institute, P. O. Box 4404, Lynchburg, VA 24502, 1-800-553-GROW


"Resources mentioned in this 'Bulletin' are available from CHURCH GROWTH,
709 E. Colorado Blvd. #150, Pasadena, CA 91101. Or call 1-800-423-4844."
Pastor Jim Radloff, Mission Counsellor Newsletter, Austin, Texas, May, 1988

"Types of Home Groups, by Karen Hurston (Church Growth Assoc.), from material by Bob Fulton. Copied with the permission of Charles Arn."
Pastor Jim Radloff, editor, WELS Mission Counselors' Newsletter, Oct., '91,
2929 Mayfair Road, Milwaukee, WI 53222, p. 11.

"The dynamics of assimilation into active church membership have very little to do with theological issues. Rather, a new members' class should focus primarily on relational issues of involvement and belonging." (Defining an Assimilated Member, by Charles Arn, copied with permission from EVANGELISM, 12800 North Lake Shore Drive, Mequon, WI, 53092. Annual subscription rate for EVANGELISM is $12...Charles Arn is Vice President of Church Growth, Inc. in Monrovia, Ca.)
Pastor Jim Radloff, editor, WELS Mission Counselors' Newsletter, Oct., '91, 2929 Mayfair Road, Milwaukee, WI 53222, p. 150.

Mocking Word and Sacrament, the Means of Grace
"Not that Word and Sacrament are ineffective in incorporating new souls into our fellowship. Not at all! But according to some serious Church Growth studies, as many as one-third of the people gained for protestant church
membership today do not feel they really belong."
David N. Rutschow, The Evangelism Life Line (WELS), Winter, 1985, p. 3.

"A number of experts on church growth principles added muscle to the conference. Among the experts were George Barna, George Gallup Jr., Lyle Schaller, and Tom Sine--icons in the church growth movement...Of the four church growth experts mentioned above, I have heard three of them speak at some length." [On opposing page, letter about Church Growth which Wayne Mueller answered]
James P. Schaefer, The Northwestern Lutheran, October 15, 1991, p. 363. GJ - Why do these things happen on my birthday?

"I share the judgment of Prof. David Valleskey that one 'can probably pick up a few helpful hints' from the church growth folks."
[On opposing page, letter which Wayne Mueller answered]
James P. Schaefer, The Northwestern Lutheran, October 15, 1991, p. 363.
e May 15, 1991 NWL Valleskey article

"For several years I've been a Pete Wagner fan. Although I don't see eye to eye with him on many important theological points (he approves of faith healing and speaking in tongues as long as it promotes church growth and he comes from a Billy Graham decision for conversion doctrinal background), he is the most eloquent spokesman of the Church Growth Movement. A prolific author on mission/evangelism/church growth subjects, Wagner is also an excellent teacher and a crystal clear writer."
Reuel J. Schulz, The Evangelism Life Line (WELS) Winter, 1980,

"We have discovered that the Early Church was an institution that unknowingly saw its world through Church Growth eyes. We have some benefits they did not have in that we can look back today and analyze their successes and failures."
Floyd L. Stolzenburg, "Church Growth - the Acts of the Apostles,"
Taught at St. Paul's Lutheran Church, Columbus, Ohio

"As you read, pick out the principles of Church Growth in this "FOCUS ON
A GREAT CHURCH" (Acts 11:19-30)...11:26 tells us this studies the Word 'in great
numbers.' How can we improve our numbers?"
Floyd L. Stolzenburg, "Church Growth - the Acts of the Apostles," Taught at St. Paul's Lutheran Church, Columbus, Ohio, January, 1986

"CHURCH GROWTH. This program was basically the beginning of L.P.R. at St. Paul's. Certainly a church growth consciousness exists in all of the congregations which was not there four years ago. It is also evident that most of the congregations are not really willing to make church growth a major priority of their ministry. Some new people who visit our churches are turned off by the comments of church members. It would seem that many members will 'tolerate' growth if it does not upset the church's traditions."
Floyd Stolzenburg, Consultant's Annual Report, 1-12-89.
Lutheran Parish Resources

"This downplaying of the importance of the means of grace on the part of many in the Church Growth Movement would seem to stem from several factors."
[That is like saying that many Lutherans downplay the infallibility of the
pope.]
David J. Valleskey, "The Church Growth Movement: An (Enthusiastic) Evaluation," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly, Spring, 1991 88, p. 105. Holidaysburg, 10-15-90.

"Yet this writer is confident we won't go astray in adopting a 'spoiling the Egyptians' approach to the various Church Growth Movement sociological principles and the research that produced them."
David J. Valleskey, "The Church Growth Movement: An Evaluation," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly, Spring, 1991, 88, p. 116. Exodus 12:36.

"Useful Ideas for My Ministry from the Church Growth Movement...The Church Growth Movement--Strengths and Weaknesses...The Church Growth Movement--An Evaluation...Church Growth Sounds Good, But...Dangers of the Church Growth Movement...Friendship Evangelism...Rationale for Friendship Evangelism..."
Prof. David J. Valleskey, Class Notes, The Theology and Practice of Evangelism, PT 358A.

"Assignments:...2. Prepare a term paper on the subject of evangelism and/or church growth."
Prof. David J. Valleskey, Class Notes, The Theology and Practice of Evangelism, PT 358A, p. 3.

"David Hubbard, president Fuller Seminary: 'Not all of us have the gift of evangelism. I admire people who can lead others to Jesus Christ right on the spot...."
Prof. David J. Valleskey, Class Notes, The Theology and Practice of Evangelism, PT 358A, p. 52.

"Introduction to the Church Growth Movement by Lutheran authors, Hunter, Kent R., Foundations for Church Growth (New Haven, MO: Leader Publishing Co.,
1983) - the author, an LC-MS clergyman who has now set up his own church growth
consulting service, performs the valuable service in this 204 page book of
presenting an introduction to church growth goals and terminology. Werning,
Waldo, Vision and Strategy for Church Growth, (Chicago: Moody Press, 1977) - Werning, active for years in LC-MS stewardship work, explains the foundations, presuppositions and principles of church growth and then shows how a
congregation can benefit from making use of certain church growth principles -
of the two books listed in this category, Werning's is the more practical."
Prof. David J. Valleskey, Class Notes, The Theology and Practice of Evangelism, PT 358A, p. 6.

Bob: "..I'd like to share with you a book I came across the other day. It's interesting, easy to read, and may be the answer to our problem..." [Could this be the Bible, The Book of Concord, What Luther Says?] "Its title is Your Church Can Grow, and it's filled with all sorts of practical hints that could help us turn things around here."

Author: "Bob didn't realize it at the time, but in his browsing he had stumbled upon one of many similar books written from the perspective of the church growth movement, books with such titles as How to Grow a Church, Ten Steps for Church Growth, Church Growth: Strategies that Work, and Leading Your Church to Growth."
Prof. David Valleskey, "The Church Growth Movement, Just Gathering People or Building the Church?" The Northwestern Lutheran, May 5, 1991, p. 184.

Lutheran members of the North American Society for Church Growth: Harold S. Drageger, Grace Lutheran, Visalia, CA; Bradley Hoefs, King of Kings Lutheran,
Omaha, NE; Kent Hunter, Church Growth Center, Corunna, IN; Elmer Matthias,
Emeritus Concordia St. Louis, MO; Dale Olson, Cross of Hope Lutheran, Ramsey,
MN; Waldo J. Werning, Stewardship Growth Center, Ft. Wayne, IN; Gregory L.
Jackson, Columbus, OH.
Doris M. Wagner, Fuller Theological Seminary, December 10, 1991. GJ - I joined to get the list. Otherwise it was TOP SECRET!

"A half-hour film entitled 'See You Sunday' shows the problem and solution in a credible case history. Anguish and humor accompany the efforts of Church and Diane Bradley to keep their newly-won friends from dropping out of the church. This is one film in a series of six available from:
Church Growth
709 E. Colorado Blvd. #150
Pasadena, CA 91101.
It rents for $42.00.
"On the Subject of Incorporating Members,"
The Evangelism Life Line (WELS), Winter, 1985, p. 8.

"For the Love of Pete is an excellent overview of the entire friendship witnessing process and is recommended for use with the workshop or as a follow-up too...from Church Growth, Pasadena, California."
School of Outreach IV,
Notebook, WELS Evangelism Commission, p. B-5.

Lutheran Worship a Downer
"Some active in the Church Growth movement have allowed that Lutheran worship is at best a neutral factor; and more often, a hindrance to the growth and outreach of a Lutheran congregation."
WELS Evangelism Workshop IV, LOCATING THE LOST, Larry A. Peters, "Lutheran Worship and Church Growth," LCMS Commission on Worship, p. E-4.

"The publication TELL ('The Evangelism Life Line') has been inaugurated to promote the cause of church growth."
Ernst H. Wendland, "Church Growth Theology," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly, April, 1981, 78, p. 105.

"There are other church growth programs which have been developed along more conservative lines. Here we are thinking of adaptations of McGavran's principles such as developed by Waldo J. Werning of The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. In his study entitled "Vision and Strategy for Church Growth" Werning has modified some of McGavran's extreme positions. Using some of his own adaptations Werning has conducted many seminars and workshops in applying church growth principles to a local congregational setting in America."
[Werning is Who's Who in Church Growth]
Ernst H. Wendland, "Church Growth Theology," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly, April, 1981, 78, p. 117.

"Dr. Donald McGavran, Dean Emeritus and Senior Professor of Mission at the Institute of Church Growth, Pasadena, California, is very much concerned about the Two Billion. He severely censures the leaders of the World Council of Churches as having 'betrayed the Two Billion.'
Ernst H. Wendland, "Missiology--and the Two Billion," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly,
January, 1974, 71, p. 9.

"I would not say this publicly, but I will tell privately that I received a phone call from a WELS pastor who said that some claim that there are several WELS pastors in your Circuit who are into church management and some kind of church growth (and possibly even funded by some agencies) and that some believe that you are trying to get at them and a few others in WELS, and that is why you are writing the articles. Whatever the facts are, your entering into this fray, it seems to me, will not open up channels for God to use your very good talents in WELS in profitable ways."
Waldo J. Werning, Letter to Gregory Jackson, August 23, 1989, (Letter stamped in red: CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL)

"In the light of church growth principles as they are promulgated in many mission schools these days, the question naturally arises as to whether or not our approach to world mission work is in need of reassessment or improvement."
Ernst H. Wendland, "Church Growth Theology," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly, April, 1981, 78, p. 108.

"The publication TELL ('The Evangelism Life Line') has been inaugurated to promote the cause of church growth."
Ernst H. Wendland, "Church Growth Theology," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly, April, 1981, 78, p. 105.

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A. Nony Mouse has left a new comment on your post "McGavran Influence on the Synodical Conference":

Greg, this is the same kind of crap you plastered the pages of Christian News with. Look at the dates--this is all old news. What are you trying to prove? Some of these quotes go back to the 70's. So what? The CGM was just getting started, and guys like Wendland were simply trying to figure out what it was all about. And the way you write about Valleskey is simply absurd. For those who really know him (obviously you don't) he is not some sort of CG demon with horns. He is an Evangelical Lutheran confessional pastor and professor who wants to share the gospel with others. All I see you do is tear down, criticize, mock, and slander. I would much rather emulate Valleskey as my role model than you.

GJ - Don't you emulate Valleskey already? - striking in stealth mode? Here's a clue, Mouse. Church and Change just got done meeting. Remember, the group that was dissolved, over, finished? All the quotations posted show how it was beginning 30 years ago. Your mentor, Paul Kelm, is an example of your kind of Lutheran leadership.

Mouse, you have established your low level of reading comprehension. This is the only blog with a vast collection of orthodox Lutheran quotations. You may recall from seminary classes--or was that you sleeping?--that one must have rejection statements as well as positive statements. Read the post below. He signs his name.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "McGavran Influence on the Synodical Conference":

My response to Wayne Mueller's official denial of CG programs in the WELS: Liar, liar, pants on fire, nose as long as a telephone wire. The nose length reference in this childhood limerick may be a reference to Pinnochio, whose nose increased in length with every lie told.
To paraphrase the Great Oz: "Pay no attention to that Church Growth Guru behing the curtain".
It seems like many of the apologies for CG in the WELS are always those conditional statements - the "yeah, buts". Their meanings come through like, "yeah we know the Word is effective, but we can hinder the Word with improper methods". Another one could be translated as, "yeah we know that the CG comes from the heterodox Reformed, but we can Lutheranize it".

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Greg Jackson = Space Waster has left a new comment on your post "McGavran Influence on the Synodical Conference":

If that isn't the biggest waste of space, filled with out of context quotes, I don't know what is. For a professor and pastor, you sure have a lot of time on your hands.

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GJ - Another way of expressing yourself, Pixel Waster, would be, "Greg, you sure have worked hard to get information past the synod minders and into the hands of laity and pastors." Perhaps I make enough money to give me free time to post and publish books. Maybe I stay up late and get up early.

I get appreciative emails (signed) from laity every day. They know how the CG gurus have destroyed WELS and Missouri. If the facts are so unpleasant, go back to your BMs (Becoming Missional).

Leonard Sweet-hearts are a nasty bunch, repetitive too.

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Greg Jackson's a Liar has left a new comment on your post "McGavran Influence on the Synodical Conference":

GJ wrote:

"Perhaps I make enough money to give me free time to post and publish books. Maybe I stay up late and get up early. I get appreciative emails (signed) from laity every day."

Please, don't make me laugh.