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Sunday, December 8, 2019

ALPB Online Forum Fussing Over Father Leonard Klein - Almost Ignored WAM II's Death

Father Leonard Klein, left, and Bishop Malooly

Not long ago, Dr. Walter A. Maier II died. He was a Missouri Synod leader and could have been seminary or synod president - until the Preus Crime Family destroyed his reputation by accusing him of false doctrine. The Preus Mob championed Justification Before Faith, the darling dogma of Pietists, Bishop Stephan, Walther, and Halle University. WAM II taught Justification by Faith, as his father did.

The ALPB Online Forum barely mentioned Maier's career, but Father Leonard Klein is being preached into heaven, even as I write. Doubtless he was a nice guy. Team Ichabod met Klein and his wife Christa before he left the Lutheran Church - for Roman Catholicism.

No one can bridge the gap between Rome and Lutheran doctrine. To join Rome after being ordained a Lutheran pastor is a vast betrayal of the Gospel. That is especially true, since this took place when the Roman Catholic hierarchy in America was already exposed for vast corruption. The degradation is so deep that it continues to surface with even more tales of horror, decades later.

Klein came from the liberal circles of Missouri, since he earned an STM at Seminex (officially Christ-Seminex). Klein followed Neuhaus as editor of Lutheran Forum, the ELCA wannabee magazine that turned into the Priest wannabee magazine for a time.

Some of us think that the LCMS pastors are attracted to Rome because they are already trained in the infallibility of the Synod Pope. After experiencing the little Missouri Antichrist, they long for the true Antichrist, his crafts and assaults, smells and bells, endowments and honors.

 "Now Brett. Don't blame Leonard. Have you seen photos of Nadia? I almost joined Rome myself."

Wednesday, February 22, 2012

ELCA, Catholic leaders celebrate their Christian unity, continue dialogue - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

"And we are in fellowship with you,
Missouri and WELS."


ELCA, Catholic leaders celebrate their Christian unity, continue dialogue - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America:


CHICAGO (ELCA) - In gratitude for the "unity in Christ" between the Catholic Church and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), ELCA Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson shared with Pope Benedict XVI a sense of urgency between Lutherans and Catholics in responding to the "great needs of poverty and human care" in the world.

 Hanson led a delegation of ELCA leaders to meet with Pope Benedict and other Catholic Church leaders Feb. 14-16 at the Vatican. The ELCA and its predecessor church bodies have been in active dialogue with the Catholic Church since the 1960s.

In his greeting to Pope Benedict, Hanson said, "As Catholics and Lutherans, we have a renewed commitment to unity in Christ.

"We recognize that there is urgency in our joining Catholics to respond to the great needs of poverty and human care. Being stewards of creation and working toward peace throughout the world are commitments that Christians are able to share in daily life and in our ministries of care," he said.

 "With you, we pray for peace. As we see the suffering in Syria, in Africa, and in the Middle East, we join your call for peace throughout the world. As Lutherans, we share this call and commitment with you and the leaders of the Abrahamic faiths. This time calls for Jews, Christians and Muslims to deepen our understanding of one another and our resolve to work together to build a world of peace with justice."

Hanson also shared his deep respect for Pope Benedict, his ministry of oversight, and for the well-being of the Catholic Church. He also asked that Pope Benedict and Catholic Church leaders remember in prayer The Lutheran World Federation and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America "as we promise to remember you in our petitions to our gracious God."

The ELCA is the only U.S. Lutheran church in The Lutheran World Federation, a global communion representing more than 70 million Christians worldwide.



'via Blog this'

"And so are we, eh?"

Wednesday, June 29, 2011

Out of the Frying Pan, Into the Friar



ALPB
It was the ELM candidates, clergy "coming out" and synodical bishops not discipling congregations and/or pastors that led to the state of the ELCA.  Traditionalists would not have needed to call for a vote had the policy of the ELCA actually been respected and upheld.  But you already know that to be true...

As for me, I have "voted to leave."  I am no longer a pastor of the ELCA (nor am I a pastor of any other group) since I was recently received into the Catholic Church.  God bless those who stay to fight the good fight in the ELCA.  I wish good luck to them.  But for me--the whole Lutheran "experiment" is doomed to fail.   Gladly, the Church goes on.

Blessings to all,

Joe Copeck

Thursday, March 3, 2011

Ve Tried It Long Ago - Und It Schtinks



rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Not So Puzzling:Appleton the CORE of Doctrinal Con...":

A friend of mine is a recovering Roman Catholic. On an unrelated topic, the city of Appleton came into the discussion. Seizing the moment, I quipped, "oh, Appleton, the armpit of the Wisconsin Synod."

I then explained how so many of the real and relevant WELS pastors go through that area.

His response was, "being relevant did not work for the Roman Catholic church back in the 1960's, so why should it work for anyone now?". What does a fallen away Roman Catholic understand that so many others do not?

Saturday, December 11, 2010

Church Growth Seminaries Use Failing Business Model


bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "The Boomers Got Their Cheap Seminary Education, On...":

The synod killed the seminary M.Div. business model, not only by making it so expensive, but also by making it so risky. The debtor student wonders whether he'll receive a call. They should have plenty of slots to fill come Call Day, and this would attract more people into the M. Div. programs, so that every pastor has a M. Div., but they don't have many slots, and they wash people out unnecessarily because they want to trim the number of candidates. The reason for so few slots is first, they allowed pastors to work and receive their pension so they they never retire, and they also promote DELTO and SMP alternative routes to the ministry. If you go through six years of the M. Div. route, and then they don't "like" you on vicarage or something arbitrary like that, you won't receive a call. The people making these decisions about who gets a pass or a second chance are far removed from the consequences to the seminary business model, and consequences to that individual. That individual will tell others how costly and risky the process is, and soon there's hardly any M. Div students at seminary anymore:

SMP
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=13117

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Narrow-minded Lutheran has left a new comment on your post "Church Growth Seminaries Use Failing Business Mode...":

Don't put down the DELTO and SMP programs, or you will be labeled as a "hater." Don't ask me how I know this. No languages are required, not even Greek, as I recall. Pastors I have talked to have told me that about half of their education is having lunch with their profs, going to the houses of the profs for parties, and being around them outside of class. This is lost in the distance programs, not to mention having no fellow-students with whom to interact. There is no daily chapel to help strengthen one's faith (of course, with CSL introducing pietistic small groups, chapel must not be considered important anymore).

What is the main reason this is bad? Have you ever heard a pastor say he received too much education? I know guys that still felt unprepared after staying another year or two, some for the STM. Nearly every pastor is greeted by a major crisis the first day of his new call. I know one that had to immediately deal with a suicide upon starting his new call. Many will deal with broken churches. Are "crash courses" going to help these guys? I think it's unfair to the SMP guys to put them in this position. Would you want your heart surgeon educated with "Cliff's Notes?"

While I realize that many SMP guys will remain in their home parishes (BTW, I seem to recall something about a prophet not being well-received in his home town), if they complete the MDiv or move somewhere else, I am afraid they will be ill-prepared.

With the sems' tuitions going sky-high, I think the unfortunjavascript:void(0)ate result is that the SMP (which will supercede DELTO when those guys are ran through) will become more common. Since there is no pastor shortage, one can easily conclude the reason for this is the eventual closure of one of the sems (and we know which one). With the new hierarchical structure, this is just a "Jesus First" SP away.

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SMP Specific LCMS Page

Friday, November 19, 2010

ELCA Professor Benne Sees the Light

Unintended effects: —How the ELCA’S aim for unity fractured the church

Dr. Robert Benne

photo of Dr. Benne Dr. Robert Benne
In its 2009 Churchwide Assembly in August of 2009 the Evangelical Lutheran Church took the momentous step to allow for the blessing of gay and lesbian unions as well as for the ordination of gays and lesbians in partnered relationships. It was the first major confessional church to take those steps. In anticipation of much disagreement about its decisions, the church struck what it thought was a compromise so that we could “journey together faithfully” even though there was no consensus on these issues. The instrument for compromise was the “bound-conscience” doctrine. Realizing that we now had no authoritative teaching on homosexual conduct, the Sexuality Task Force proposed and the Assembly agreed that all of us respect each other’s “bound-conscience” on these matters as we went about the life of our church. Also, since the official line of the church was that these issues were not church-dividing anyway, we could live with such a settlement. (It was unexplained why the ELCA should be immune to the church-dividing nature of these issues when many churches in America and in the world were experiencing painful divisions over them. Indeed, the leaders of the ELCA mistakenly projected their own assessment on the church at large.)

Well, a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. Since there is now no authoritative teaching and since we can claim “bound-conscience” on whatever teaching we prefer, this means that each parish and ultimately each individual has to decide which teaching is normative for them. In one fell swoop the Assembly turned the ELCA into a collection of congregations and individuals.

What has happened is that the conflict that the Assembly could not or would not solve has been ratcheted down to each parish and finally to each individual. The “compromise” has become the occasion for some hard fighting. Some churches are leaving the ELCA out of their “bound conscience.” Each attempt to leave—even when successful—creates enormous tension and conflict. Even churches who had prepared their laity for the crisis still have many members who believed that, in spite of all, the congregation should remain in the ELCA.

Other churches are withholding their benevolence money from the regional Synod and the ELCA in response to the ELCA decisions. This, too, creates conflict between the members who agree with the local leaders’ decisions and those who believe the parish ought to support the ELCA in spite of or because of its decisions. Those same churches are often taking time to decide whether to leave or stay, which extends the difficulties. Still other churches are taking milder actions: articulating where they stand on these matters and often providing options for members to divert their benevolence monies into their preferred causes. One church has contrived a “bound-conscience” fund for those who wanted to keep their benevolence away from the ELCA. (The Assembly certainly did not anticipate this use of the doctrine!)

The so-called compromise also presses individuals to decide where they stand, which congregation they want to belong to, as well as where they want their pledges to go. So a game of musical chairs is going on among many laity as they try to match their convictions with that of a particular congregation. A goodly number moved to other denominational chairs when the music stopped in August. Others moved to Lutheran congregations that fit their “bound conscience.” Many are still in a quandary about what to do. This “church shopping” presses churches to decide where they stand, which also causes tension.

In the face of this widespread fracturing, a small portion of churches have embraced the decisions of the ELCA and are moving quickly toward openly blessing gay and lesbian unions and calling ordained gays and lesbians in partnered relationships. Some of those parishes have been engaging in those practices for a long time; others now have official permission to exercise their “bound conscience” by adopting them. Laypersons in the latter group who disagree with this agenda no doubt depart for other more “orthodox” churches.

A far larger number of churches—perhaps even the majority of parishes in the ELCA—try to duck the challenge. Their pastors or laypersons say: “this is not an issue in our parish,” which can mean a number of things. It can mean that the pastor and/or the majority in the church agree with the decisions of the ELCA but are not going to make a big thing about it. They will face the issues when they come up. It can also mean that the issue is not important enough to get steamed up about, which follows the ELCA lead by viewing these issues as non-church dividing. These congregations, too, will face the issue when they have to. In either case, pastors and laypersons who are disturbed by the changes in the ELCA have to decide whether they can “go along to get along” in those congregations. Some will keep quiet, others will protest or leave. The largest number of congregations for whom “this is not an issue” more likely hope that this will not become an issue because it could indeed be church-dividing. These congregations are sometimes in a fragile enough condition that a controversy over sexuality issues may well spell the doom of the parish. If they take a clear position pro or con on the Assembly decisions they will lose people. And they cannot afford that. Other parishes are doing pretty well and don’t want to upset the apple-cart by introducing controversial issues. These are generally orthodox in teaching and practice and intentionally distance themselves from the workings of the ELCA.

It is understandable why churches want to duck the issue, but I suspect in the long run they will not be able to do so. Laity are slowly awakening to what is happening and will raise inconvenient questions about the direction of the congregation, synod, and the national church to which they belong. Besides, they might be directly confronted with pairs asking to be blessed. Then they won’t be able to duck.

Given this account, at least two insights are relevant:
First, it is easy to sympathize with orthodox individuals and congregations who are struggling about what to do. They didn’t ask for this. Therefore, it is important for the time being to respect the various decisions that are being made by the orthodox. Each parish situation and each individual situation is different. Some parishes and individuals simply cannot leave at this time. But as the full consequences of the church’s decisions become more visible and concrete—changes in the teaching materials, the rites, and the composition of the clergy, the path ahead may become clearer. As groups such as the Lutheran Coalition for Renewal and Lutheran Churches in Mission for Christ become more viable ecclesial bodies than the ELCA itself, the inclination to leave may be more intense.
Second, the fall-out reveals the foolhardiness of changing doctrine and practice before there are compelling biblical and theological arguments for doing so. In deciding it had no authoritative teaching on homosexual conduct, the church tossed the problem to congregations and individuals to decide for themselves, which is a sure-fire formula for conflict. The authorities in the ELCA were warned repeatedly that this maneuver would lead to the fracturing of the church. That is precisely what is happening.

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GJ - Did these people ever read The Lutheran? I wrote for the magazine and knew three of the editors, two of them senior editors - Stauderman and Trexler. I met with Stauderman in his Philly office and had a meeting with Trexler at a conference in Michigan. Trexler published an editorial in The ELCA Lutheran, about 23 years ago, saying, "We have been ordaining homosexuals for years." In other words, it was not a real point of contention.

The LCA lasted only 25 years, always bragging about how great it was. The quotas were well known before the merger, and they included minority, homosexual, lesbian, and female representation.

I wrote about this in the much-hated Christian News, simply astonished that no one in the LCA or ALC wanted to do anything except applaud the merger or sit on their hands.

WELS was very embarrassed that their new recruit would point out Wisconsin snuggling with the Lavender Mafia in ELCA. The Love Shack at 2929 could not get enough of joint projects with ELCA and Missouri - all the while deriding Missouri and ELCA for having no "fellowship principles."

WELS leads the way in promoting a Talmudic approach to fellowship, while outdoing the Pharisees in hypocrisy. They have the close relationship between unionism and doctrinal indifference wrong. Unionism is the result of doctrinal indifference, not the cause. The cure is not creating another set of phony rules to violate, as The Guilt Factory (formerly The Love Shack) does with aplomb.

The solution is doctrinal integrity based upon the Word and the Confessions. Those who love the efficacious Word and the Biblical definition of the Sacraments will not have any urge to worship with the Babtists (Stetzer and Stanley), the New Agers (Sweet), and the Pentecostals (C. Peter Wagner). Their getting away with it only proves that the Conference of Pussycats is comprised of apostates.

Englebrecht is bad? What has Buchholz done about Jeff Gunn? Nothing. I had to correct that. After the DP swore to defund and kick Gunn out, Rev. Jeff was put on the board of Willowcreek's Little College in Milwaukee - and almost hired there. In fact, two other members of the stealth congregation are on the board, making DoubleCross the most influential WELS parish in WELS, education-wise. Ain't that sumthun, as my Grandpappy used to say.

From many such baby steps of apostasy came ELCA.

Wednesday, November 10, 2010

ELCA and Zion Dispute Continues - KIMT.com – Iowa & Minnesota Together

Luther - obey the pope or believe in the Word?


ELCA and Zion Dispute Continues - KIMT.com – Iowa & Minnesota Together

WAVERLY, IA - A north Iowa congregation is days away from again deciding whether to separate from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.


But the Northeast Iowa Synod Pope says it's not going to count. A final vote by Zion Lutheran in Clear Lake to leave the ELCA failed earlier this summer, but church leaders aren't letting the issue die.

"A am not aware of any other place in the whole ELCA in which a church has intentionally voted to violate their constitution," said His Holiness Ullestad, Pope of the ELCA Northeastern Iowa Synod.

Pope Ullestad says it doesn't matter what the church decides in its upcoming Sunday vote.

“The constitution allows for congregations to take a first vote, have a consultation, take a second vote. When that vote fails that concludes that process," said His Infallibilitiness Pope Ullestad.

And the vote did fail at Zion, two other times. The process should be over, but since that time church leaders continued moving forward with the disassociation process.

"The constitutional crisis was created when they clearly said they would not follow the police or any policies or procedures of the ELCA," said Ullestad.

After the vote to disassociate failed, Zion leaders decided to associate with another Lutheran branch: The Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ.

"That resolution in which they stated they are now a member of another Lutheran church body in addition to ours is also in violation of the church's constitution," said Ullestad.

Because of those decisions Bishop Ullestad says Zion’s pastors Dean Hess and Derik Yarian are no longer considered ordained ministers.

"They are not to represent themselves as pastor they're not to preside at sacraments or weddings or wear a stole and not use the title of reverend or pastor," said Ullestad.

And even though this whole process has created division within Zion, Bishop Ullestad hopes everything will work out.

"We are committed to them as a congregation and to the members of that congregation and to help bring reconciliation so that together our witness to the world will be, see how those Christians love one another. That's what is at stake for us," said Pope Ullestad.

Pope Ullestad extended an invitation to Dean Hess to discuss this entire issue in person, but Hess has not responded to that invitation.

Zion Lutheran was contacted today for a comment. Hess said the church will release a statement responding to the bishop's claims later this week.

Pope Ullestad says Zion Lutheran is still under ELCA leadership and subject to their policies. If they do not follow those policies they could face disciplinary measures and legal repercussions.

His Truculence, The Most Nasty Steven Ullestad, ELCA,
features himself on the staff page,
the only one with a solo portrait.
It's all about the Pope.

Wednesday, September 22, 2010

Vatican Bank Laundering Funds


Vatican bank chief investigated over money laundering claims

In unprecedented move, judge freezes €23m held in account at financial institution with close church links
This picture taken on March 3, 2010 show
Under investigation: Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, president of the Istituto per le Opere di Religione (IOR). Photograph: Emanuela De Meo/AFP/Getty Images

The head of the Vatican bank has formally been placed under investigation in an inquiry into a suspected violation of Italy's money-laundering laws, judicial sources said today.
At the same time, a judge in Rome ordered a freeze on €23m (£19.5m) held in an account opened by the Vatican bank, the Institute for the Works of Religion (IOR), at another financial institution in the Italian capital. It was thought to be the first time such action had been authorised against the IOR in Italy.
Since last September, the Bank of Italy has classified the Vatican bank as a non-EU institution whose dealings with other banks are thus subject to especially close scrutiny.
The sources said that last Wednesday, on the eve of Pope Benedict's departure for Britain, a unit of the Italian revenue guard alerted prosecutors to an anomaly in an account owned by the IOR at the Rome branch of Credito Artigiano, which has close historic ties to the Catholic church.
Of the €28m deposited, €23m was destined for transfer to JP Morgan in Frankfurt and another €3m to another Italian bank. But in neither case, it is alleged, had the Vatican's bankers supplied details of the individual or corporation for whom they were acting, as required by a 2007 legislative decree.
The sources said the president of the IOR, Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, and another senior executive were under investigation. It was not immediately clear whether there was any connection between this inquiry and another in which the Vatican bank has been named, which concerns suspect property dealings.
The Vatican has a long history of withholding co-operation from Italian investigators seeking access to its bank's books. The IOR was involved in a major scandal in 1982 arising from the fraudulent bankruptcy of Banco Ambrosiano, then Italy's largest private bank.

Monday, September 20, 2010

Shocker - Notre Dame Graduate (PhD, Theology) Welcomed at Martin Luther College


Notre Dame's name means Our Lady of the Lake,
the Blessed Virgin Mother,
Co-Redemptrix,
the Immaculate Conception,
the Mother of the Church.


This week, Martin Luther College is featuring a guest with a PhD in theology from the University of Notre Dame.

Here is webpage linked. No, it is neither a satire nor a hoax.

Here is the bio page.

Tim Glende will be denouncing this on his anonymous blog any moment. He is deathly opposed to anyone tainted by Roman Catholicism.

He is a confessional Lutheran, modeled after his mentor David Valleskey. The only thing that ever upset Valleskey was someone criticizing Church Growth.

Monday, August 16, 2010

Michael Root Can Now Teach at Wisconsin Lutheran College,
Or March in Procession with the Bethany Seminary Faculty




Welcome, Michael. You have doubled your teaching opportunities.




Dr. Michael Root

Michael Root is Professor of Systematic Theology at Lutheran Theological Southern Seminary in Columbia, SC. He served as Dean from 2003-2009, after having earlier served on the faculty from 1980 to 1988. He is also Visiting Adjunct Professor at the Institute for Ecumenical Research in Strasbourg, France, where he served as Research Professor and sometimes Director from 1988 to 1998.

He also has taught at Davidson College in Davidson, NC and Trinity Lutheran Seminary in Columbus, OH. Since January 2006, he has been Executive Director of the Center for Catholic and Evangelical Theology.

Root is a native of Norfolk, Virginia. After attending public schools in Chesapeake, Virginia, he studied at Dartmouth College (B.A., summa cum laude), and Yale University (Ph.D. in theology). He received an honorary Doctor of Humane Letters from Wittenberg University (Springfield, OH) in 2002 in recognition of his contribution to the unity of the church.

Root is a member of the US and international Lutheran-Catholic dialogues and has served on the US Lutheran-United Methodist dialogue, the Anglican-Lutheran International Working Group, and the Anglican-Lutheran International Commission. He was the Faith and Order Commission Observer for the Anglican-Roman Catholic International Commission. He served as coopted staff at the 1990, 1997, and 2003 Assemblies of the Lutheran World Federation and the 1993 World Conference on Faith and Order and was a consultant at the 1998 Lambeth Conference.

He served on the drafting teams that produced the Lutheran-Roman Catholic Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification and Called to Common Mission, which established full communion between the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and the Episcopal Church. He is the author (with Gabriel Fackre) of Affirmations and Admonitions (Eerdmans 1998) and editor of Justification by Faith (with Karl Lehmann and William Rusch, Continuum 1997), Baptism and the Unity of the Church (with Risto Saarinen, Eerdmans 1998), and Sharper than a Two-Edged Sword: Preaching, Teaching, and Living the Bible (with James Buckley, Eerdmans, 2008).

Southern Lutheran Seminary They have a Methodist and a Babtist program of studies. True.



Thomist Loyalty Can Only Go So Far -
Father Jack Waves Goodbye To Father Michael




Jack Kilcrease Jack KilcreaseAdjunct Professor of Theology

B.A. History and Religion, Luther College. 2001. ELCA.
M.A. Doctrine and Theology, Luther Seminary. 2003. ELCA.
Ph.D, Systematic Theology, Marquette University. 2009. Jesuit.

Father Jack Kilcrease recently unburdened himself about Father Michael Root, formerly ELCA, leaving for Rome on his blog:

"it's rather unfortunate that he went around saying that he was a loyal Lutheran and running a Lutheran seminary when he really believed in Thomism."

An honest Romanist is better than a dishonest Lutheran. How can someone teach theology at a Roman Catholic college while posing as a Lutheran? After all, the Church of Rome has seven sacraments and not one of them works. No matter how pious one might be, within their odious system of works, he will still spend thousands of years in Purgatory paying for the sins which the seven sacraments failed to obliterate - not to mention the prayers and endowed masses offered after his death.

For the uninitiated - a Thomist is a follower of Thomas Aquinas, so one can only marvel at Father Jack's droll sense of humor, as he blogs from a Thomist college. Kilcrease publicly attacked Michael Root for being honest about his Thomism.

Here are some fellow professors at Aquinas:


Visiting Dominican Professors
Sr. Diane Zerfas, OP Sr. Diane Zerfas, OP
2009 for Special Topics: St. Dominic and Dominican Spirtiuality
 
Sr. Suzanne Noffke, OP, Ph.D. Sr. Suzanne Noffke, OP, Ph.D.
2008 for Special Topics: Catherine of Siena
 
Rev. Thomas O'Meara, OP, Ph.D. Rev. Thomas O’Meara, OP, Ph.D.
2007 for Special Topics: Thomas Aquinas and Grace




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Thomas Aquinas was a Dominican. I added the Wikipedia link in case Father Jack did not know that.

I wonder if he shows up at Aquinas College lectures and shouts "Dominican - Thomist!" at the visiting dignitaries.

Even more droll is the way Paul McCain and Father Jack take turns crawling into each other's laps. McCain loves to play the Roman card whenever it suits him.

Monday, July 19, 2010

ELCA Bishop Does An Englebrecht (WELS DP)


DP Englebrecht skipped a meeting with a group of pastors and laity, so the Anything Goes District re-elected him.


ELCA


Bethlehem Lutheran Church of Brooklyn, NY got its hopes raised but then dashed



Rev. Dr. Norm David reports that Bethlehem Lutheran Church of Brooklyn, NY got its hopes raised but then dashed when Bishop Robert Rimbo of Metropolitan New York Synod / ELCA promised to meet with him to discuss the Bethlehem property issue then broke that promise.


The opportunity arose when the Synod at its annual assembly in May adopted unanimously a resolution to pursue "a year of forgiveness and healing" after a lot of aggravation this past year.

One such aggrieved party is Bethlehem, whose property near the heart of the city at the intersection of Flatbush and Atlantic Avenues the Synod seized and shuttered in January 2009. Bethlehem contends this action was illegal and actively seeks its return. Rev. David, who attended the assembly as a guest, took Bishop Rimbo aside, expressed his gratitude for the resolution, and asked if they could meet. Bp. Rimbo said that if Rev. David would send him a letter stating what he'd like to discuss, the bishop would meet with him.


Rev. David wrote the letter stating the Bethlehem concerns. Bishop Rimbo responded that there was no "Bethlehem issue" and that "all issues brought forth in your letter have been resolved by the Courts of New York State and by the Church." Rev. David wrote back to say "You know as well as I that nothing has been settled and that, if leaders of our respective entitities (sic) fail to reach some kind of accord, we of Bethlehem will be forced to contest all that you claim in all possible forums."



Sunday, July 18, 2010

Resist the Beginnings, Part 87


Hey Don, where's the Easter egg hunt?
I'm a confessional Lutheran too.


Mequon graduates, left-click here.

LCMS-WELS-ELS pastors will think, "That just shows how terrible the Episcopalians are! If only we had their money."

They will never imagine that their embrace of ELCA has already led them into mainline apostasy. They may not be dancing in the groves yet, but they will.

Anyone who questions their progress will be branded as negative, lazy, divisive, etc.



Tuesday, June 22, 2010

Some More ELCA People Will Be Fired Soon


ELCA Bishop Gary is just like the WELS DPs,
and he was re-elected too.
He had to start five rump congregations to replace
ones fleeing his tender mercies and gay agenda.


ELCA NEWS SERVICE
June 21, 2010

ELCA Leaders to Revise 2010 Churchwide Budget, to Create Restructuring Plan

CHICAGO (ELCA) -- Leaders of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) will prepare a revised 2010 budget and spending plan for consideration in August, and they will create a plan to restructure the churchwide organization in 2011 in response to continuing declines in income, said the Rev. M. Wyvetta Bullock, ELCA executive for administration, in a June 21 e-mail to churchwide staff.

Bullock wrote that the churchwide organization's Administrative Team, the Cabinet of Executives, ELCA Church Council, the ELCA Conference of Bishops and other partners will work with the presiding bishop and staff on the restructuring plan.

In her message to staff, Bullock wrote that she wanted "to inform you of challenges we are facing related to the work of the churchwide organization as we move forward in mission with decreased financial resources. I also want to let you know how we plan to respond to those changes."

"As of the end of May, mission support income continues to decline," Bullock wrote. "You may recall that mission support represents approximately 80 percent of our churchwide organization's general operating budget." Mission support is income sent by congregations through synods to the churchwide organization.


"We anticipate preparing a revised 2010 budget and spending plan for action by the ELCA Church Council at its August meeting. The reduced budget plan will incorporate the underspending plan already implemented earlier this year," she wrote. The council will meet by conference call Aug. 4, she said.

"As we plan for 2011, given the depth of the changes necessary, we will be creating a plan to restructure the churchwide organization to align our work with anticipated income," Bullock wrote.

"Over the past 12-18 months we have faced significant changes in the churchwide organization. We are also mindful that challenges are being faced by synods, congregations, institutions, agencies and ecumenical partners. I continue to be thankful for your partnership and commitment to serve this church. Our prayers for one another and this church are needed as we walk together in the days ahead," she added.

She explained that the reasons for the income declines include a 30-year trend in declining revenues, the struggling U.S. economy and declines in congregational income due to the 2009 ELCA Churchwide Assembly's decisions on human sexuality.

Christina Jackson-Skelton, ELCA treasurer, said in an April 30 report that declines in mission support income in 56 of the ELCA's 65 synods, compared to the first quarter of 2009, "merits careful attention."


"The annual mission support budget for 2010 was reduced by $4.6 million or 7.7 percent from the amount received in 2009," Jackson-Skelton's report said. "The decline of 12.5 percent in the first quarter 2010 compared to the same period in 2009 exceeds the rate anticipated in the budget proposal and is unfavorable to budget by 3.5 percent."

Jackson-Skelton added that in 35 synods, mission support at the end of April was down by more than 10 percent compared to the same period in 2009.

The churchwide organization began its 2010 fiscal year with a current fund spending authorization of $69.3 million, including $55.1 million in mission support funds.



Balance the budget by recycling more?
I love the smell of compost in the morning.


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GJ - Unfortunately, ELCA is making everyone look wise, prosperous, and confessional.

WELS and Missouri should be saying, "This is where we will be in a few years."

I never expected a migration out of ELCA by entire congregations. Even less did I think bishops would leave. Too bad some of you did not lay bets with me. I would have bet a million that Ken Sauer would never leave, and he is a leader!

I need Scott Jungen's prophesy stone.

Bishop Gary is blowing up his district and getting re-elected to do more. See a pattern?

Deputy Doug Englebrecht was also re-elected.

This just in - Pope John the Malefactor was elected to another term. The Little Sect on the Prairie remains a wholly-owned subsidiary of Church and Change.



Wednesday, May 5, 2010

Sasse and Mary


Sasse!


What Sasse Said - Note the URL - http://sassedotalist.blogspot.com

High Churchism, Mary and the Gospel



A devotion written by Professor A.C. Piepkorn of St Louis* is an especially disturbing indicator of the dangers of the 'High Church' tendency. It is entitled 'Blessed Art Thou Among Women'**, and is an attempt to set forth the true Lutheran position on Mary in opposition to the extremes of Roman Catholic veneration of Mary on the one hand and modern Protestantism's 'excessive downgrading of the Mother of God' (Piepkorn's words) on the other. This is indeed a worthy task, and the three Marian festivals set down in the old Lutheran church calendar, which are simultaneously Christological celebrations, provide ample opportunity to do this. But in light of these celebrations we must note that the position taken on Mary will always be a reliable indicator of the presence of a true or false understanding of the Gospel. In modern Protestantism the Nestorian denial of the doctrine of the Theotokos reveals that this position, even if it bears the name 'Lutheran', no longer understands the doctrine of the person of the God-man. On the other hand, the confession that Mary is indeed the Theotokos isn't yet solid evidence of a true understanding of Christ - for it can be combined with the veneration of Mary, which is always a sin against the 1st Commandment and a challenge to the unique mediatorship of Christ. The cult of Mary (which also took root and grew among the Nestorians), along with the Marian doctrines which have grown from it, is most definitely to be rejected as being in contradiction to the Gospel***.

From Liturgy and Confession, A Brotherly Warning Against the 'High Church' Danger, first published in Lutherische Blaetter (Christmas 1959). [trans. mine]


* Arthur Carl Piepkorn (1907-1973), a scholar and theologian of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, sometime professor of historical theology at the Concordia, St Louis seminary, translator of some of the Lutheran confessional documents for the Tappert English edition of the Book of Concord, and an official participant in the early rounds of the Lutheran-Roman Catholic dialogue in the US. Piepkorn was a man of prodigious learning who served as a mentor to a number of LC-MS pastors who later styled themselves 'Evangelical Catholics', some of whom would convert to Roman Catholicism, notably Richard John Neuhaus.

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GJ - I highly recommend the Sasse blog, and Sasse's writings. The ALC published Sasse until merger, and Sasse wrote the best book about the Real Presence - This Is My Body. David Preus led The ALC and consequently the ELCA into communion with the Reformed. Augsburg-Fortress got rid of Sasse and Lenski books and began selling books by female rabbis.

Mary-obsession is one of the first signs of a Lutheran pastor leaving for the Church of Rome. In the blogosphere, Weedon gushes about Mary and the pope, while McCain gushes about Weedon. McCain's last gusher was Fenton, who left the LCMS for Eastern Orthodoxy and denounced justification by faith in the process. McCain, who loves UOJ, is a man of many Enthusiasms. He dresses as a pastor for formal portraits even though he is a book blogger for CPH - (Mark Jeske's publisher).