Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Follow the Money



Funding Church and Change? I don't see that happening. You have violated the 8th Commandment just by thinking that.


WELS District VP Patterson gets WELS grants to pay for his vicars, then trains them in Church and Change doctrine. They come back to Texas to take root, and to root for Sweet and Stetzer and Hunter and that troglodyte Werning.


Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Your Offering Money at Work - Supporting WELS Chur...":

I am demanding an audit of how Patterson spent the money he's received in the past. Is it being put to good use? I think not! I'd hesitate to give another dime to missions knowing it's going to fund field trips for what should be a responsible pastor to take young, impressionable minds to be twisted by Baptist theology. Are there no Lutherans that can offer their mission stories?

Can They Cancel the Church and Change Kelm Call?



Felines model the copy and paste ministry of Paul Kelm. The Church and Change gurus truly are copy cats. They run to Fuller and copy Fuller. They run to Willow Creek and copy WC. They run to the Baptists and copy them. Their best students turn Baptist and Pentecostal. Why? They are just copying their leaders.


Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Bruce Becker Has Declared War on SP Schroeder: Who...":

How is it possible for Becker to issue a divine call without SP knowledge or approval? Why must the rest of us pay for an extra guy when they gotten along without one for a couple years and money is tight as it is? Is there anything that can be done to cut Kelm's position before he gets there? And I'm still waiting for the answer to this $64,000 question ~ WHAT'S THERE TO CONSULT THE CONGREGATIONS ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!? Talk about your monumental waste of synod money....hmmmm.

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GJ - A lot of people could make it impossible for this catastrophe to happen. Do not wait for the Little Sect on the Prairie to notice, or the District Popes to take action.

Blessed Baptismal Rite


"This Child We Dedicate To Thee"
by unknown author
Translated by Samuel Gilman, 1791-1858

1. This child we dedicate to Thee,
O God of grace and purity;
Shield it from sin and threatening wrong,
And let Thy love its life prolong.

2. Oh, may Thy Spirit gently draw
Its willing soul to keep Thy Law!
May virtue, piety, and truth
Dawn even with its dawning youth!

3. We, too, before Thy gracious sight
Once shared the blest baptismal rite
And would renew its solemn vow
With love and thanks and praises now.

4. Grant that with true and faithful heart
We still may act the Christian's part,
Cheered by each promise Thou hast given
And laboring for the prize in heaven.

Hymn #303
The Lutheran Hymnal
Text: Luke 18:17
Author: unknown
Translated by: Samuel Gilman, 1823
Composer: Lowell Mason, 1830
Tune: "Uxbridge"

Baptismal Regeneration


"He that Believes and is Baptized"
by Thomas Kingo, 1634-1703
Translated by George A.T. Rygh, 1860-1942

1. He that believes and is baptized
Shall see the Lord's salvation;
Baptized into the death of Christ,
He is a new creation.
Through Christ's redemption he shall stand
Among the glorious heavenly band
Of every tribe and nation.

2. With one accord, O God, we pray:
Grant us Thy Holy Spirit;
Look Thou on our infirmity
Through Jesus' blood and merit.
Grant us to grow in grace each day
That by this Sacrament we may
Eternal life inherit.

Hymn #301
The Lutheran Hymnal
Text: Mark 16: 16
Author: Thomas Kingo, 1689
Translated by: George A.T. Rygh, 1909
Titled: "Enhver som tror og bliver doebt"
Tune: "Es ist das Heil"
Melody: German, c. 1400

Infant Baptism


"Dearest Jesus, We Are Here"
by Benjamin Schmolck, 1672-1737
Translated by Catherine Winkworth, 1829-1878

1. Dearest Jesus, we are here,
Gladly Thy command obeying;
With this child we now draw near
In accord with Thine own saying
That to Thee it shall be given
As a child and heir of heaven.

2. Yea, Thy word is clear and plain,
And we would obey it duly:
"He who is not born again,
Heart and life renewing truly,
Born of water and the Spirit,
Can My kingdom not inherit."

3. Therefore hasten we to Thee,
In our arms this infant bearing;
Let us here Thy glory see
Let this child, Thy mercy sharing,
In Thine arms be shielded ever,
Thine on earth and Thine forever.

4. Gracious Head, Thy member own;
Shepherd, take Thy lamb and feed it;
Prince of Peace, make here Thy throne;
Way of Life, to heaven lead it;
Precious Vine, let nothing sever
From Thy side this branch forever.

5. Now into Thy heart we pour
Prayers that from our hearts proceeded.
Our petitions heavenward soar;
May our warm desires be heeded!
Write the name we now have given,
Write it in the book of heaven.

Hymn #300
The Lutheran Hymnal
Text: Mark 10:13-16
Author: Benjamin Schmolck, 1704, cento
Translated by: Catherine Winkworth, 1863, alt.
Titled: "Liebster Jesu, wir sind hier"
Composer: Johann R. Ahle, 1664
Tune: "Liebster Jesu"

What I Learned at Drive 08 - by Ski



"This is a way cool way to look at baptism. Deutschlander never taught us this!"


Pastor Ski and other WELS pastors (John Parlow, Jim Buske, and others) went to Drive08, a conference organized by a Baptist Church in Atlanta, deceptively called Northpoint Community Church.


WELS observer: "Have you noticed that, at the top of Ski's blog he calls it [Drive 08] a 'pastors conference'?"


This is what Northpoint Community Church believes about baptism:

What We Believe About Baptism

Who Should Be Baptized
Christians believe that the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. Therefore, salvation occurs only when a person places his or her faith in the death and resurrection of Christ as the sufficient payment for his or her sin.

If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, then you are ready to be baptized. Just like a bride and groom show others their love for one another by wearing wedding bands, your baptism is your opportunity to show others that you have accepted Christ and are now walking with Him.

If you have any questions about how to begin a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, please contact baptism@northpoint.org.

What Baptism Symbolizes
Baptism is a way of showing others that you have entered into a relationship with Jesus Christ. It symbolizes what took place in your heart at the time of salvation:
* Accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
* Shared in His death and resurrection, illustrated by going under the water (dead to your old life), then rising again (new life).
* Were symbolically washed clean, and sins were forgiven by His death on the cross.

Because Jesus instructed us to be baptized, baptism is an act of obedience. While it is not necessary for salvation, it demonstrates submission to God. We immerse at North Point Community Church because we believe Scripture shows that Jesus modeled that for us as the way to publicly acknowledge our faith in Him. Infant Christening

Some denominations choose to christen infants. While we recognize the right of other churches to practice infant christening, we understand Scripture to teach that only professing believers qualify for baptism. Baptism does not make you a believer, rather it shows that you already believe.

The baptism process at North Point has been designed to be both simple and meaningful. From the registration form to the baptism meeting, each step has been carefully planned with you in mind:
1. Listen to the baptism message. You may request a CD at the email address below or listen to the message online.
2. Complete the Adult Baptism Registration Form. Once we receive your registration form, we will contact you to schedule your videotaping and baptism.
3. Read about making your video. We want you to be as comfortable and prepared for the video as possible.
4. Attend a meeting and film your testimony. After we receive your registration form, we'll contact you to schedule you for an informational meeting where you'll also have your testimony videotaped.
5. Get baptized! Baptisms take place during one of the Sunday services and include a showing of your prerecorded video.

For questions, please contact Beth Carson at baptism@northpoint.org.

Baptism Message
If you think baptism is the next step for you, take thirty minutes and listen to Andy's talk, "What About Baptism?" In the message, he answers the questions we are most often asked about baptism.
LISTEN TO MESSAGE - Windows Media
LISTEN TO MESSAGE - Real
WATCH ONLINE - Flash Video

What Does Fellowship Mean for the Little Sect on the Prairie?



Pope John is on the far left. Pastor Paul Schneider is on the far right. Paul's congregation in Midland is en-Dowed.


Norman Teigen said...
Greg Jackson went after Pres. Moldstad today and said that Moldstad has not disowned Church and Change. Can anyone help me here? Does the ELS have any kind of investment in Church and Change that we ELSers should know about? I know that one or two might have attended a C&C meeting or two but I am not aware of any links to C&C and the ELS. Please inform me of anything on this subject of which I am ignorant. [As I told GJ, my ignorance is vast and my understanding is thin.]

October 22, 2008 1:19 PM

Anonymous said...
Norm,
By the fact that ELS is in fellowship with WELS puts ELS in connection with Church and Change. It would be good if some objection was made in ELS like they did about women communing women in WELS. It would be like WELS being connected to Thoughts of Faith by the fact that WELS is in fellowship with ELS.

October 22, 2008 2:06 PM

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GJ - The Preus brothers brought a motion to the floor of the ELS convention, about breaking fellowship with the LCMS over doctrinal issues.

For decades the ELS has worked in harmony with WELS to promote the Church Growth Movement. The ELS finally had a good paper on Church Growth in their Little Journal on the Prairie, but soon after one of their professors endorsed Valleskey's spoiling the Egyptians argument, which was copied from Larry Crab, of Fuller fame.

The Little Sect has always borrowed Church Growth gurus from WELS for presentations. The ELS is known for its pockets of Church Growthism, just as the CLC (sic) is known for theirs.

Norm is a kindly, gracious man. I love his blog. I did not "go after" Pope John the Malefactor. I simply addressed the issue. I did not have Pope John removed from his position. I did not rob Pope John of a living under false pretenses. I did not have Pope John shunned by all his brothers. I did not even slander Pope John. I slandered the real Pope by making the comparison. The Holy Father in Rome never got away with giving as many ministers the Left Foot of Fellowship as Pope John the Malefactor did. So, B-16, I apologize.

Speaking of Fellowship - Read This
When it was thought that Wayne Mueller had a chance of becoming the WELS Synod President, current Bethany Seminary President Gaylin Schmeling said on the floor of the ELS convention, "If they elect Wayne Mueller, we will have to break fellowship with WELS." ELS SP George Orvick frowned when this was said.

So I would call this blog pretty dag-gone mild compared to ELS conventional threats.

Bruce Becker Has Declared War on SP Schroeder: Who Will Win?



Mark Schroeder was elected Synod President as a protest against the Wayne Mueller-Gurgel regime.


Church and Change board member Bruce Becker was appointed in the previous regime and is now the truculent Administrator of Parish Services.


Let me explain what has happened since the election of SP Schroeder.

WELS was broke and using money dishonestly from its designated funds to keep things going. Gurgel fired the treasurer for telling them it was wrong to do so. Then Gurgel blamed the treasurer for the problem. And they made up another story, just as fanciful. Gurgel was urged to leave office before the forensic accountants arrived.

The Love Shack was and is packed with Church Growth (Church and Change) leaders appointed in the old regime. SP Schroeder inherited a blooming mess, a synod on its last legs. The districts responded to his leadership by boosting offerings at a phenomenal rate. From all reports, pastors and laity enjoy and respect Schroeder's leadership.

SP Schroeder urged the boards not to call anyone new to any position, due to the financial crisis, which was real and still hangs over their heads. Moreover, he urged them not to try to call a lightning rod who would be divisive.

The Board for Parish Services (Bruce Becker) said repeatedly that they would do whatever they wanted. I believe SP Schroeder made about five requests and then told them he was no longer meeting with DPS on purpose, because they would not listen.

To show their defiance, Bruce Becker and the DPS called Paul Kelm, the most notorious lighting rod, to an expensive position not needed and not even used for the last two years. Does WELS really need one more Church Growth/Church and Change/Becoming Missional guru running around promoting Deformed doctrine?

So the Kelm call was a Purpose-Driven pot of poo flung in the face of the entire synod - "You can pay for our Reformed agenda to be promoted. So there."

The Church and Change wing, which is much more connected and extensive than imagined before, will work to put in their man for First VP, the position Mueller vacated in a huff. They will look for someone who can fool people into thinking he is conservative. Up until now, Patterson would have been ideal. His vicars have the right DNA. He is a district VP, which means in WELS that he is the next District Pope. He has an editorial position with FIC. He has other synodical brownie points. Someone like Patterson will walk into the next convention with a block of votes and a bevvy of subtle kudos from his wiley supporters.

If a Church and Change VP is elected, write off WELS for good. Everything possible will be done to neutralize Schroeder's leadership from that time on. And I would not be surprised to see someone take on Schroeder for the SP office itself. If someone has a block of votes for SP on the first ballot, that is the Manchurian candidate to deliver WELS to Fuller, Willow Creek, and the scrofulous bosom of ELCA.

Another bad event would be a refusal to accept the changes suggested by the study committee. I hate reading boring stuff like that, but I get the impression that they want to tame Parish Services, which has existed and grown in parallel with Church and Change.

Your Offering Money at Work -
Supporting WELS Church and Change, Baptist Pulpit Sniffing VP



District VP Patterson: "Hey suckers. Pay for my vicars with your offering money, so I can train them in Church and Change and take them to hear Baptists teach us how to do mission work."


Synod mission money supports the C&C movement: (the missions in Texas our pure and simple C&C)

Patterson continues to beg for more synod mission money: (Mission enhancement)

http://www.welssc.org/Reports/2008/2008-10%20DMB%20Report.pdf

Field Reports: Mission Enhancement

2) Holy Word – Austin, Texas. Pastor Don Patterson. Holy Word’s Hispanic Ministry Coordinator (Staff Minister) is an example of Mission Enhancement. The idea is to enhance a congregation’s current mission work by adding staff or resources. Holy Word will be resubmitting their request to the DMB on January 16, 2009.


Maybe rather than using his congregations money to see Ed Stetzer Patterson should have his church pay for their own staffing needs.

How Al Sorum Began Teaching at WLS, aka The Sausage Factory


Step One: WLS President Wendland joined Al Sorum's congregation.



Step Two: Al Sorum, Heresiarch of Church Growth, got a job teaching false doctrine at The Sausage Factory, Mequon.



Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "My Predictions for WELS":

FYI
The current president of the Sausage Factory is also as growthy as they come. When he came to Mequon he chose to join -- out of all the WELS churches in Southeastern Wisconsin -- Garden Homes, pastored by none other than overt growth guru E.A. Sorum. Not long after, Sorum was called to case sausages under Wendland at the factory. Coincidence?

Also, it's well known that Valleskey picked Wendland to be his replacement as Factory Foreman.

Administrative Officers
Prof. Paul O. Wendland
President

Prof. Forrest L. Bivens (Bragged about going to Fuller, now has position Valleskey held before V. became WLS president)
Vice President, Financial Aid Officer

Prof. John M. Brenner (Certainly not as tough on doctrine as his father, Slick)
Dean of Students, Recruitment Officer

Prof. Paul E. Zell
Academic Dean

Prof. Richard L. Gurgel
Secretary

Prof. John D. Schuetze
Registrar

Prof. John P. Hartwig
Library Director

Prof. John F. Brug (Women's ordination? No problem. Church Growth - no problem.)
Managing Editor, Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly

Prof. James P. Tiefel (Mr. Ecumenism)
Dean of Chapel, Director of Student Field Services

Prof. E. Allen Sorum (Proof that cream does not rise to the top)
Director of Pastoral Studies Institute

Bailing Water Comments - Worth Reading



Church and Change removed the traditionalists.


Bailing Water blog

Anonymous said...
I give up.. We now have WELS pastors jetting across country soaking up reformed methods. We have C&C inviting speakers from these conferences. We are dropping the name Lutheran. And you, Tim, and others say keep on rolling.

Maybe it is time to leave this synod!

October 22, 2008 8:12 AM


Anonymous said...
Thank-you, Anonymous of 8:12 AM.
I am watching for awhile yet and hope that President Schroeder will lead and take a stand against all this that is happening. I cannot figure out why the C&C group even wants to be part of WELS.
My conscience is bothering me too much to continue being a part of the WELS while C&C is operating within WELS. I am unable to commune at the altars of some WELS' congregations due to my conscience.
If WELS wants to continue the direction C&C is taking then I need to leave. If Ed Stetzer does give the keynote address at the C&C Conference in November, 2009 then I will definitely leave. For me it would be a sure sign of the WELS' praesidium giving approval to this direction. I cannot be a part of that. This is really getting very painful to watch.

October 22, 2008 8:59 AM


Anonymous said...
"I am watching for awhile yet and hope that President Schroeder will lead and take a stand against all this that is happening."

All what you fear comes out of the Seminary. This is where this stuff is taught and tolerated. There is no Christological or sacramental focus given the students and so when they get out they have to try to come up with something to grow the church.

Been there, know that.

October 22, 2008 9:52 AM


Anonymous said...
When did that change at the Seminary? What would be the appropriate way to approach this before I leave WELS? Why is there no Christological or sacramental focus anymore? Aren't there enough members and pastors to get us back on the right track even if it means that we separate?
Synod is supposed to mean "Walking Together" but WELS has pastors and congregations and members walking in all different directions. I was taught in adult instructions that WELS was uniform in doctrine and practice. It definitely is NOT. It seems that more and more congregations are looking at the things of man instead of the things of God. I have started my letter of resignation but hope it does not get to the point that I need to submit it. I'm not sure I can commune anymore because it would be publicly showing that I am in agreement with all of WELS.

October 22, 2008 11:27 AM

Episcopal Bishop Shows How Apostasy Works - Warning to Lutherans




NORRISTOWN, PA: The Trial of Charles E. Bennison - Day Two

By David W. Virtue

www.virtueonline.org

10/21/2008

Charles E. Bennison, the deposed Bishop of Pennsylvania took the stand in the second day of his trial today and adopted what has became famously known as the (Alberto) Gonzales Defense.

On innumerable occasions, while being grilled by Fr. David E. Moyer's attorney John H. Lewis, Jr., Bennison replied, "I don't recall," "I don't remember," or "I don't know."

In 2002, Bennison inhibited and later deposed Fr. Moyer, rector of the Church of the Good Shepherd, Rosemont, PA using the Episcopal Church Canon Law [Title IV, Canon 10, Sec. 1], barring Fr. Moyer from serving his congregation and exercising his ordained ministry.

Fr. Moyer accepted the inhibition and stood down from his ecclesiastical duties for the six-month period.

The bishop cited "abandonment of Communion" as grounds for his action, a charge Fr. Moyer consistently denied. Under cross examination, the Anglo-Catholic priest turned the tables on Bennison saying it was Moyer, not the bishop who was upholding the faith, saying the bishop could not defend Jesus as "the way, the truth and the life," the deity of Christ or traditional views of the sacredness of marriage between a man and a woman.

Judge Joseph E. Smyth incredulously asked, "I can't believe that a bishop of the Christian church believes that Jesus could only be 'a way'." Moyer responded saying that he felt angry and betrayed by Bennison. The inhibition and later deposition cost him dearly in friends, suffered personal rebuffs, was left alone and was snubbed, and was financially strapped as he had been a priest for over 25 years.

As a result of the deposition, Moyer suffered a number of physical ailments, including severe back aches. At times he was reduced to tears by Bennison's actions.

Under relentless examination by Lewis, Bennison admitted that he had visited the Church of the Good Shepherd some 10 times from 1997 to 2004. Moyer and the vast majority of the congregation graciously accepted Bennison each time.

Lewis: Did you worship in the congregation?
Bennison: I worshipped and met with the vestry.
Lewis: Were you given communion?
Bennison: Yes.
Lewis: After you attended a church service did you talk with congregation? Were you ever offered the opportunity to address the congregation?
Bennison: I don't recall.
Lewis: Did you ever offer an opportunity to Fr. Moyer for Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold to make an official visitation?
Bennison: I did not.
Lewis: Did you have a Public Relations program designed to get Fr. Moyer?
Bennison: I did not. I did it for the entire diocese.
Lewis: What was the strategy of the PR program?
Bennison: Because of the worldwide publicity we needed to inform members of the Anglican Church globally what we were doing to effect reconciliation.
Lewis: Did you edit a background paper against Fr Moyer?
Bennison: I did participate in the authoring of the paper. Lewis: Did you edit it?
Bennison: I don't recall.
Lewis: There was a background paper on the discipline of Moyer. Was it revised and edited by you? Were these your views?
Bennison: It is not one particular view. The conversation sought wisdom from the most prudent people we could find.
Lewis: There was a disclaimer...you signed off on it. Is this your signature?
Bennison: I suppose so.
Lewis: Did you have a conversation with Moyer about the Parsons Plan for visitation by a traditionalist bishop for traditional parishes instead of yourself?
Bennison: I said I would have no problem with the Parsons Plan.
Later, when he took the stand, Fr. Moyer said Bennison reneged on the Parson's Plan that he promised the eight traditionalist priests at the time he ran for bishop. He was elected with the help of these priests. Moyer said he felt betrayed when Bennison halted the plan.
Asked by Lewis if he was photographed joking with the Rev. Bill Wood, president of the Standing Committee at the signing of the deposition, Bennison replied that he had no recollection of any humor.
Lewis: What witticism or joke did you tell? Bennison: It was one of the bleakest days of my episcopacy, an incredibly dark day.
Lewis: You held two meetings (there were four) around the diocese following the deposition of Moyer.
Bennison: I can't recall.
Lewis: In October 2002? Bennison: I don't recall. I did not make any statement. Lewis: Did you have to depose Moyer since the Presiding Bishop had asked you not to? Did you ever think to give him a trial? Bennison: We initiated a process...to delay in order to avoid a trial. Lewis: Did you think of giving Moyer a trial rather than deposing him under Canon 10?
Bennison: Canon 10 seemed less draconian and would give him more time to respond. I did not want to put ourselves into a polarized situation. I did not want to go there.

The trial will continue tomorrow.

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GJ - This trial is a mirror of how Lutheran district presidents work. Pope John the Malefactor (Little Sect on the Prairie) did the same things with a number of pastors and congregations. His basic threat was - If you disagree with me, I will toss the congregation out of the synod, so get rid of your pastor now. Some caved in to the dictator. Others left the ELS. Did cardinals elect Pope John the Malefactor? No. Did pastors only? No. The whole ELS convention, as tiny as it is, elected him and asked for more.

Has Pope John the Malefactor objected to Church and Change? There is no record of it happening. If it does, Ichabod will report the miracle, which will be bigger than Fatima and Lourdes rolled together.

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Norman Teigen has left a new comment on your post "Episcopal Bishop Shows How Apostasy Works - Warnin...":

GJ: 'Church and Change' is a WELS problem. How are you linking President Moldstad to C&C? What is there about this situation that I might be ignorant of. [My ignorance is vast, my understanding is small]

Norman Teigen
ELS layman
(Disclaimer: I am a member of the ELS but I do not speak for the ELS.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Episcopal Bishop Shows How Apostasy Works - Warnin...":

I agree 100 per cent with GJ. ELS is in doctrinal fellowship with WELS and the silence of the ELS on Church and Change and the shenanigans within WELS' "unLutheran" congregations points to agreement. Norm, where is the speaking out against this kind of stuff in the ELS? Doctrinal fellowship connects the ELS to all of WELS. You cannot pick and choose what to agree on and what not to agree on.
WHY, oh WHY, did Issues in WELS disband?? It implies all is well within WELS.

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GJ - The ELS is in fellowship with WELS. That is why WELS (under Wayne Mueller) forced the Little Sect to adopt their strange ministry theses. So does this work both ways? The silence of the lambs in the ELS tells me they have no problems with Church and Change.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Episcopal Bishop Shows How Apostasy Works - Warnin...":

Wasn't there a similar type of scenario with Pastor Kevin Hastings of St. John's? Kevin Hastings is confessional and was objecting to the rampant enthusiasm in the Metro North conference (Milwaukee). My guess is that they were laying low to hang this one that they had deemed was the troubler of Israel. The vandalism incident at gracechurch was the rope that he was hung with. When I asked one of my co-workers who was WELS-connected if he could give me some of the dirty details of the defenestration of Hastings, the answer that I got was both telling and compelling. "Talk to the DP" was the reply that was supposed to satisfy my curiosity. Now I see said the blind man. Go get the official story from the DP. That smelled awfully fishy. This forced the hand of the small membership of St. John's to decide whether to stay in the Holy Mother Synod (and have to depend upon the DP and the tainted calling process) or go on their own by retaining Pastor Hastings. Depending upon Holy Mother Synod to find a replacement for Pastor Hastings would have been a crap shoot at best. This historic congregation, once the home of Johannes Bading, was out of place compared to nearby gracechurch and Time of Grace St. Marcus, home of Ski. I could only speculate that beautiful old St. John's would have faced a quicker demise in the hands of the synod masters.

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GJ - I know Pastor Hastings and I have been in that church. Tagging Grace Church was pretty juvenile, but the real crime was disagreeing with Holy Mother Synod. Has anyone else noticed that the churches closest to the Vatican (any denomination) are the worst, the most apostate?

In contrast, WELS organized a bus trip to defend teacher Al Just, who murdered his wife. The father of the pastor of Grace, DMLC President Huebner, defended the murdered on the stand. Call me legalistic, but I think murder and adultery are worse than tagging. Just married his children's baby-sitter, while biding his time in the hoosegow, but they divorced.

I could list a wide variety of official coverups, including the Tabor murder.

District Presidents



My VP is a Church and Changer? A Baptist pulpit-sniffer? Have you gone to him about this? You are worse than...

Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Church and Change: Clone Wars in Texas



FIC editor, Church and Change cloner Don Patterson is a VP of his district,
but he took a bunch to hear Baptist Ed Stetzer.
Staff minister Chad White went along, too.
Vicar Tiefel probably went,
but we won't know for sure until there is an official denial.


Patterson is filling the synod with Church and Change vicars. He gets a special grant from WELS, so the vicars do not cost. Look at the list, from the website:

The Lord has provided faithful shepherds to guide and teach his Holy Word lambs: pastors James Radloff (1970-84), Silas Krueger (1985-88), Bruce Bitter (1988-91), Larry Ellenberger (1997-98), Harold Johne (1998-2001), and Donald Patterson (1992-present); and vicars Todd Engel (1994), Michael Geiger (1995-96), Nathan Buege (2000-2001), Caleb Schoeneck (2001-02), Robert Guenther (2002-03), Steven Prahl (2003-04), and Andy Mueller.

Andy Mueller is the son of Wayne, very active in Church and Change.
Nathan Buege is in Texas. Tim Felt-Needs loves his church.
Caleb Schoeneck is in Texas.

Patterson has let a woman teach a "co-ed" Bible study. He allows a youth female to deliver the children's sermon. He is on the Church and Change most-loved list as he was the synod convention Bible study leader at the '04 convention.

"Patterson has a regular factory of vicar clones going. And he gets 'em for free (under the cloak of vicar in mission setting grants)." WELS observer

FIC, the official magazine of Church and Change, says:

Meet the editorial staff—uncut: Don Patterson
Ever ask yourself, “Who are these people who write for Forward in Christ magazine? Through this series you can find out. Read on:

If you regularly read Forward in Christ, you probably already know quite a bit about contributing editor Don Patterson, because he frequently peppers his writing with real-life experiences. Past articles reveal that Patterson has four sons, he once tried riding a bronco at a high school rodeo, playing Candy Land bores him (but he plays it anyway because he loves his sons), he lives in Texas, and he can’t read music.

Meeting Patterson in person reveals more of the same—a friendly man with a southern drawl who loves his family and loves his Lord. Born and raised in Garland, Texas, Patterson now serves as a pastor at Holy Word, Austin. He and his wife, Mary, are both active in sharing their faith with others. They have presented at many marriage and family retreats across the United States. Last year, they even presented in Sweden to members of our sister church body. In January, the couple helped build houses as part of WELS’ relief efforts in hurricane-ravaged Grenada.

Patterson credits his parents for inspiring him to serve in the public ministry: “Their absolute love for God’s Word and the church taught me that the ministry of Jesus’ gospel to his people is the best way to spend my life.”

Yet Patterson didn’t take the traditional route to the pulpit. First he graduated from East Texas State University with a degree in Agricultural Education. While there, he started thinking about using his life to share the gospel full time. So he then attended Bethany Lutheran College in Mankato, Minn., for two years to prepare him for his studies at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, Mequon, Wis. In 1992, Patterson graduated from the seminary and was called to serve Holy Word.

Want to know more about Don Patterson? Just keep reading Forward in Christ.

South Central District - Election results:
President: Rev. Vilas Glaeske
First Vice President: Rev. Donald Patterson
Second Vice President: Rev. Mark Bitter
Secretary: Rev. Christopher Goelzer

WELS Church and Changers Prefer Baptists to Lutherans



Jim Skorzewski:
"So they said to me, Ski, if you are going to publish a blog, don't start telling the truth. You're a Church and Changer. We don't do that."
Drive 08 Conference "Who went that you might know:
Pastor Ski, John Parlow, Jim Buske"


[GJ - Buske is a Church and Change presenter. So is Parlow. And so is Ski: 506...... In the Beginning…Your Guide to Starting
Your own Alternative Worship Experience
–James Skorzewski and Brian Davison.]

What is Drive ’08? That’s a great question. Drive is a two day conference for church leaders. During these two days church leaders from the three North Point campuses will share what they have learned over the last twelve years about creating and maintaining awesome ministry environments. The entire conference has been designed around questions from churches all over the world.

Over the two days Andy Stanley (Lead Pastor at North Point) will address the attendees in three main sessions. There will be five break-out sessions that will revolve around questions asked by the attendees. These sessions allow those in attendance to get pretty specific on certain areas of ministry as well as get great feedback.


I invite you to check out my blog while I’m gone. I’ll try to update the blog daily and share what I’ve learned. Please feel free to share your comments.


I’ll see you all when I get back!


After we registered we headed to the 5 Seasons for lunch. While we were there we heard this voice behind us at a table. Well, we turn around and sure enough there at the table is my old German teacher, Prof. Daniel Deutschlander sitting & eating bratwurst & drinking a beer. As it turns out he is speaking at the Peachtree Conference (I think that is what it is called - WELS churches in the ATL - Tennesee - Alabama area). He asked if we were down for his presentation. I had to say unfortunately, no. The conversation was pretty interesting after that. I mean, telling your old prof. that you are in town, not to hear him is bad enough, but on top of that you are in town to attend a non-denominational church leadership conference... Not normal WELS practice. By the way, he’s drinking a Maibock in the picture.

Breakout Session #3 - Connecting Adults To Small Groups

This session was lead (sic) by Jenny Boyett. She is in charge of Group Link, which is one of the Small Group programs at North Point. This was a pretty good session. I guess I was looking for more of a how to instead of this is what we do or this might work for you. Most of the information that was shared was theory. They have three types of groups.

Main Session #2 - Andy Stanley - Becoming A Great Staff


This was just awesome. The opening music could be confused with a rock concert. Lights, guitars, confetti, etc... The staff also ran through the aisles and threw out blow up guitars and microphones for the audience. I used the word audience, simply because congregation sounded kind of weird. To me what was interesting about the opening music portion, was it goes against everything that I have been taught as a Lutheran. We are called to put our emotions in a box. To not be emotional about the music, unless it is a moving hymn. This is tough, I mean, I may not be jumping around with my hands up, but should I look down on someone who does? Is their worship any less acceptable to God? I don’t think so. Maybe, we need to look at this, emotions are good as long as they don’t get out of control. I think that sometimes we also put down music because it is a repeating chorus and doesn’t have the depth of a hymn. Do we always need to do that? Can’t we have different kinds of music? Isn’t there a danger in saying that there is only one way to do things? I personally like variety. Think about it like this, Cherios (sic) are good, I like them, they are nutritious, they are good with or without milk. But let me tell you, I love Fruity Pebbles. They are colorful, tasty, & packed with sugar. Does that mean that I want to eat them every day? Probably not, but it doesn’t automatically mean that I want Cherios (sic) every day either. Maybe some days i want Frosted Flakes. I like variety.

Anyway, Andy’s session was great. Like I have said. He has this great gift of making things seem so simple. Here are his main points from this afternoon:


1.A great staff is made up of “great leaders.”


2.Best practices for creating a “great staff.”


a.Do for one when you can’t do for all.


b.Systemize (sic? - may be a new CG word) top down service.


c.In response to your staff’s key objectives, ask “How can I help you?”


d.Create & maintain a sustainable pace.


e.Celebrate & reward greatness when you see it.


3.Signs that things aren’t so great.


a.Competition between departments.


b.Double standards.


c.Loyalty lectures.


This was great just to hear & to have to look at our ministry and ask the question, “Do we have issues here?” I think that overall we do pretty well. Are there areas that we can improve? Of course.

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Andy Stanley
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Andy Stanley is the senior pastor of North Point Community Church, Buckhead Church, and Browns Bridge Community Church. He also founded North Point Ministries, which is a worldwide Christian organization.

Biography
Stanley was born in 1958. His father is Charles Stanley, who is the senior pastor of the First Baptist Church of Atlanta and founder of InTouch Ministries.

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GJ - Andy Stanley's books are sold at Fuller Seminary. His daddy divorced his mom but stayed in the ministry. Charles Stanley was in the tank with Paul Y. Cho decades ago. This father-son duo is Baptist and awesomely Church Growth. They will blow you away. Sorry, I read the blog too long and my mind began degenerating.

A few people think I am too pessimistic about WELS. A Wisconsin sect pastor flies to Atlanta, where he might listen to a faithful Lutheran--Dan Deutschlander--but instead listens to a CGM Baptist minister and loves it. How cool is that? And he really seems to brag about it.

PS - Here is Parlow at Church and Change:

501.... Creating Irresistible Environments
with Contemporary Worship
Pastor John Parlow
(john.parlow@stmark-depere.org)
Explore transferable principles that will help you build a church for outsiders to come to and hear truth that makes a difference now and for eternity. Now is the time
to shed ethnic rationalizations, personal preferences, and doomsday attitudes that
are offered as excuses for outreach failures. The truth is the Gospel is timelessly relevant, the church and its representatives may or may not be relevant; the
Gospel is timelessly efficacious, the church and its representatives may or may not be effective. Let’s talk about building ministries that are dangerously
Christian.

John Parlow serves as the lead pastor at St. Mark in De Pere, WI. St. Mark worships over 1,200 people and is currently building a 25,000 sq. ft. addition for
children/family ministry and a sixth weekend worship service offering an “upper room” atmosphere. [GJ - The only thing missing from this Upper Room is Jesus.]

WELS Pastors First Went To Baptist Ed Stetzer for More Better BMs



Pastor Ben Golish, Maitland, Florida went to the conference where Stetzer spoke.


Pastor John Stelljes, Maitland, is a young Church and Changer, fresh out of the Sausage Factory. He went, too.


Vicar Mark Tiefel, Holy Word, Austin, Texas. Did he go? He gets CG free from Al Sorum at Mequon.


Why would district VP Patterson spend money to hear a bunch of
Baptist-Pentecostals despise the Means of Grace? He gets vicars for free each year and helps populate Texas with Church and Changers. Guess where Wayne Mueller's kid vicared? Yup, ri-cheer in Austin. Patterson wants to be DP when Vilas Glaeske retires.


A significant group of WELS pastors went to hear Baptist Ed Stetzer (r.) before they rented him for the Church and Change conference. Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly.


Let's untangle a few more lies from Church and Change.

Part I. WELS Pastors take a pilgrimage to Stetzer.

The issue of Baptist Ed Stetzer speaking at the next Church and Change conference did not originate with Bailing Water or Ichabod.

In the beginning...a group of WELS pastors went to the Exponential Conference, which featured only Enthusiasts (Book of Concord term - unfamiliar to Sausage Factory grads). Baptist Ed Stetzer spoke there. All he does is speak - all over America and Europe too. Look at his schedule. He is a WELS Church and Change sweetheart, but also a Leonard Sweetheart. If his kids see him, they probably burst out crying because a stranger who looks like Michael Moore is kissing their mom.

Who were those WELS pastors?

The pastors at King of Kings in Orlando (Maitland) led by John Stelljes.

The 1st VP of the South Central District was there, Donald Patterson from Holy Word in Austin, TX along with some of his disciples (Doebler from Christ the Rock in Round Rock).

$200 for the next conference.

Other WELS pastors were also there, but those names have not been disclosed to my network of informants. When asked directly, the Church and Changers have refused to answer which other WELS clergy were there.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."

KJV Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Part II. The District Presidents Find Out about Church and Change/Stetzer and Frown.

DP Englebrecht wrote in a letter to his pastors:

The next Church and Change Conference will be having Ed Stetzer, a person not of our fellowship, be one of its speakers. He is part of the "missional" movement. The members of the COP in looking at his theology and aggressive style of presentation have some serious reservations about his appearance at this conference and have asked President Schroeder to express our concerns to the leaders of Church and Change.

His comments were forwarded to me by...I forget.

Part III. I double-checked because I knew the Church and Changers would get nastier than skunks who haven't slept in a long time.

I started looking up Ed Stetzer because he was a nobody in theology. As diligent as I am, I had trouble locating his supposed "two doctorates" and "two masters" which appear on all the websites about him. This struck me as too bombastic, like Mr. Toad of Toad Hall, so I searched until I found him earning a DMin from one school (never heard of it) and a PhD from a liberal Baptist seminary.

I found Stetzer's schedule, which showed him teaching the Word of God to WELS at the next Church and Change meeting, followed by a stop at a Leonard Sweet event. He was also going to speak to LCMS executives.

To observe the permutations of the 8th Commandment, I looked over the Church and Change menu. I know it pretty well, since I copied most of its toxic content into Ichabod. Think of Ichabod as a mirror site, in case the server at Pasadena goes down.

I could not find any future Church and Change conference listed and said so.

The deception of the Church and Change website is now being used to attack people who ask questions about Stetzer. So, in effect, Church and Changers are attacking Englebrecht and the DPs who expressed concern about Stetzer. The DPs raised the issue. Englebrecht sent the letter. I am a mere journalist, a baby journalist at that, with only 20 credits at the end of December.

Church and Change made the news and hid the news. I reported what I knew.

Bruce Becker, DPS Administrator, owes WELS another apology for this fiasco. He is a board member of Church and Change. He needs to move out of the stealth mode and into honesty and transparency.

Baptist Stetzer To Teach WELS About Having More BMs



Does WELS Have Enough Becoming Missionals?


Let's Clear Up Some Falsehoods Spread about the WELS Church and Change Conference

Someone found out that the next Church and Change conference had scheduled Baptist Ed Stetzer to be the keynote speaker. All he does is travel and speak. A WELS DP addressed the situation at the COP meeting and I found out.

Alas and alack - the Church and Change site did not mention any future conference and certainly did not mention Baptist Stetzer's invite. Rev. Ed had them down on his website, so that means they paid their fee and locked him in. They could pay him what is indelicately called a kill fee to cancel the appointment. I doubt that will happen. Church and Change is going to fight to have their way and replace SP Schroeder.

This is what one Church and Changer brayed at Bailing Water:

Anonymous said...
John:

This is just another example of your breaking the eighth commandment. I'm sure you read about this first on Ichabod, where Jackson is shameless in what he posts. Ed Stetzer has the Church and Change conference on his schedule, but I didn't see anything on the C and C website about it. I'm assuming you verified his presence in 2009 with the leaders of C and C? Maybe he was invited a long time ago, and after the change in the conference last year (WELS and ELS presenters)maybe he was "disinvited" but he failed to change his calendar? If you posted this and made your accusations before you even verified it with our people, then you're just as shameless as Jackson.

As I wrote above, the WELS COP was concerned about this invitation. The invitation was verified by the Stetzer website and copied with my normal attention to detail.

The anonymous poster is attacking Bailing Water but also impugning the honesty of the DP and Ed Stetzer. I am energized by another reference to the 8th Commandment. This is great fun.

Confidential to Bruce Becker, Church and Change, and the rest of the hooligans you hang around with - You cannot have it both ways. If you want to brag on your blog about shunning a WELS professor to attend a Baptist event (like Ski), then live with the consequences. If you want to book Baptist Stetzer, an event alarming enough to alert the somnolent WELS COP, then live with the facts getting out. Trying to blast people for telling the truth only emphasizes that you consistently deceive people.

What Is Becoming Missional? Go To the Next WELS Church and Change Conference with Baptist Stetzer, Find Out How To Multiply Your BMs





Save yourself $100 and memorize this chart. Sleepy, becoming very sleepy. Close your eyes. Imagine yourself in a monster, big, huge church. Big sound system. Laser lights. Pit band. Big mansion.


As one reader noticed - learn how to spell discipleship! "Hey Bruce, Paul, Ron, Larry - they spell worse than we do in WELS."


Ed Stetzer, far right, shows that travel is broadening.


NorthWest: What is the "Missional Movement"? Is it just Church Growth on Meth?

Answer: The Church Growth Movement keeps changing its name, but not its doctrine. Rick Warren at Saddlesore Community uses the term Purpose-Driven, but it is Church Growth with another label.

Becoming Missional is another label for the same thing. Baptist Stetzer is missional, but lacks a Fuller Seminary degree. Fuller is full of Becoming Missional themes today. CG on meth is a good description.

The BMs seem to be more anti-institutional. Stetzer blogged against Rome, not for doctrinal reasons, but because it represented the bricks and mortar, church hierarchy model.

Here are some links for those who are not already completely bored by this topic:

Becoming Missional Blog

Becoming Missional Online with Fooler Sem

My Predictions for WELS



COP, WELS, in the old days.


The Arizona-California-Las Vegas district of WELS is meeting in Glendale, Arizona today. Due to an unavoidable oversight, I was not invited to speak. This is what I would have said, and I always say when asked...

The Wisconsin Synod will not exist in 10 or 20 years if things continue as they are. The Church Growth people got in there long ago and leveraged all their pals into positions of influence long ago. The Sausage Factory had a CG president (Valleskey) and still has two professors (Sorum and Bivens). The Love Shack is mostly Church Growth, as evidenced by Bruce Becker calling Paul Kelm back. The mission counselors are all Church Growth. The parish consultants (Kelm) are all Church Growth. World missions and American missions - CG, too.

WELS is currently training members to be generic Protestants. The cutting edge of WELS is all CG (Green Bay, etc).

If the Lutherans start asserting themselves, the CG congregations will head for Missouri: pastors, property, and all. His Holiness, Jerry Kieschnick, will welcome them. WELS should say, as they would to Marvin K. Mooney: "Go in peace, but please go now."

The battle-lines have already been drawn. The COP is inert, as usual. The Love Shack is doctrinally united - against Lutheran doctrine. Unfortunately for them, the synod voted for the opposite direction at the last meeting.

The strong will defeat the weak, as Luther said. If people support Lutheran leadership, they will elect a First VP to support SP Schroeder. If pastors and laity want to continue the loosey-goosey Baptist-Protestantism of Wayne Mueller, Larry Olson, Paul Kelm, Bruce Becker, and Mark Jeske, they will elect a First VP like John Parlow or James Huebner.

Some kind of commission has already suggested that Parish Services be reduced or changed. As everyone knows, WELS did not need another Parish Consultant. Oodles of offering money will be used up to move Kelm to Milwaukee and pay for his salary and benefits. The SP suggested no new calls at all, bypassing his chance to have Wayne Mueller replaced by appointment. Of course, the money does not come out of Bruce Becker's pocket.

I wonder - was Kelm on the way out? Green Bay is behind in current funds and way behind in its building funds versus expenses, according to their newsletter. Having Kelm go is a way of reducing expenses in Green Bay while having an ear at The Love Shack. Holy mole-y.

Calling Kelm was a deliberate affront and insubordinate on several counts. If WELS pastors and laity want more divisiveness, they should support Bruce Becker, Paul Kelm, and John Parlow.

Apostate Lutheran Leaders Do This Too



ex-Bishop Bennison.


NORRISTOWN, PA: The Trial of Charles E. Bennison - Day One

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
10/20/2008

Charles E. Bennison came dressed in a plain suit and tie.

Fr. David Moyer, rector of the Church of the Good Shepherd in Rosemont, came dressed in his clericals, an odd juxtaposition but understandable since Bennison has been officially deposed by The Episcopal Church. He is appealing his verdict.

Bennison, 63, looked a sad and pathetic figure as he sat alone in court room No. 8 in Norristown, PA, surrounded only by his legal team. His wife was oddly absent as were all the clergy of the Diocese of Pennsylvania. Nobody apparently wants to know him or be seen with him. Bennison, the once feared, loathed and despised former Bishop of Pennsylvania, is on his own.

This is his second trial within a matter of months. This time he faces multiple charges of fraud and deception in a civil court coming only months after being found guilty on an ecclesiastical count of conduct unbecoming a member of the clergy.


In his opening defense of Fr. Moyer, John H Lewis, Jr., laid out evidence that Bennison, in 2002, abused his position and authority as a bishop. As a result, Fr. Moyer was severely damaged emotionally, spiritually and psychologically and that his ministry was cut short by a curt fax machine letter informing him that he had been found arbitrarily guilty of abandoning the communion of the church. Fr. Moyer was inhibited for six months, which he accepted. Bennison later threw Moyer out of the priesthood while denying him a church trial.

According to Lewis, Bishop Bennison made jokes as he signed the deposition papers. Why did Bennison do this to Fr. Moyer? The Episcopal Church is divided over many issues. Bennison campaigned to get the job as Bishop of Pennsylvania making election promises to traditionalist priests to act as a traditionalist bishop, a promise he broke. No bishop is above the law."

Because Moyer made a fuss about this, Bennison decided to getting rid of Moyer saying, "this is between David and me".

Lewis said Church rules on removal of a priest entitle Moyer to a church trial. "Bennison decided never to have a trial. Bennison used Canon 10 so as to avoid a church trial. Moyer insisted that he was not leaving the Episcopal Church. Bennison knew that what he was doing was wrong and even the head of The Episcopal Church told him the plan was wrong. Bennison concealed the letter from Moyer."

Following his inhibition, Moyer stood down from his duties as a priest for six months. Bennison, however, was relentless in his desire to have Moyer removed.

Lewis said the plan against Moyer was carried out in several stages. "Bennison stirred up hatred and contempt against Moyer. He confused and mislead the Standing Committee, because the Standing Committee would not go along with a trial against Moyer. Angry at being deceived, Bennison hired a public relations agent and began a public relations campaign against Moyer, using his staff to get the media involved in hurting Moyer.

"As a result Moyer faced the loss of his position, his pension, he was in personal agony with other priests avoiding him all the while Bennison steadfastly refused Moyer a trial.

"In 2002. Bennison signed a document - a sentence of deposition - saying it grieved him deeply but just days before, as he signed the deposition he was photographed laughing and telling jokes to the Rev. Bill Wood, chairman of the Standing Committee. Bennison's action was condemned by the then presiding Bishop Frank Griswold."

As he concluded his opening statement, Lewis asked the jury to consider five questions: "Did Charles Bennison damage Fr. Moyer by interfering with his contract; did he issue false statements about Moyer? Did he deny him due process, did he conceal and distort evidence and did he resort to extremely outrageous conduct?"

Mary Kohart, Bennison's attorney, said the bishop was well within his rights as a bishop to hire and fire a priest. "The flying bishop arrangement ended in 1997," she told the jury. "Before becoming bishop, Bennison was told of the Parson's Plan, but it had expired in three years previous in 1997. Then Bishop Allen Bartlett did not renew it." She said a three year cooling off period did not resolve the question and schism was inevitable. She said that former bishops Turner and Bartlett even offered Evensong as an option to get around the visitation rights of the bishop, but to no avail. Moyer declined all options, she said.

Four pretrial motions to dismiss the case being heard before Common Pleas Court Judge Thomas Branca last year failed with the judge siding with Moyer. Lewis claimed that there is no other remedy because Moyer had been improperly denied a church trial by Bennison.

The trial continues tomorrow when Bennison will stand before Judge Joseph A. Smyth and a jury of his peers.

END

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GJ - As one wit said, "In chess, too, bishops move obliquely." For those who went to prep school - that is a nifty pun. Moving obliquely refers to the slanting direction of the bishop in chess and the deviousness of bishops in the church.

The above description is roughly how apostate Lutheran leaders work. If they want to cover up for an adulterous buddy--and they often do--they demand evidence, make excuses, or attack the person who knows the truth. They never move against false doctrine, which is the glue holding everything together: corruption, immorality, greed, peculation.

If someone ruffles their feathers--and it does not take much to do that--these bishops engage all their forces to destroy that person and isolate him from all friends. The timid clergy go along with it because they know the beneficent gaze of the bishop (or district pope) is essential for their call out of Bovine Gulch.

The Episcopalians are demanding better leaders. They are examples of what can be done with persistent laymen and brave clergy. All is not lost. "One little Word shall fell him."

Monday, October 20, 2008

Giant Hissing Cockroaches



A WELS layman offered up this heart-warming image: a hissing cockroach. The one above is the giant variety from Madagascar.


Dr. Jackson,

It sounds like the latest WELS misadventures are really flushing out the cockroaches. If it isn't Kelm's stealth call to Parish Assistance, then it is the 2009 offering of Ed Stetzer at the C&C conference. I have been trying to keep up with it all, but I am getting a bit dizzy in the process. Tim Felt-Needs is really carrying a lot of water over at Bailing Water. His solutions posted are the typical law-based sleight of hand aimed at the laity and designed to take our focus from the synodical shenanigans. All of this reminds me of what happens when you fumigate a cockroach infested dwelling - they come out of the woodwork and scurry about. I wish that I could think of a better analogy. It just seems so fitting.

In Christ,
Randall Schultz

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GJ - They are running around and hissing a lot, too. On the surface they act like the cat who found the bowl of cream. In reality, they are running around hissing because doom has come upon them. Their beloved Internet has foiled them. The more they brag, the more everyone knows about their pusilanimous behavior. That is why I provide links at every possible opportunity. And alas! They have software that tracks when they are linked, so the rise up in alarm and hiss even more.

Crown of Glory, Corona, California was Sweet on Leonard, but gushing red ink. They posted their disastrous offering reports. I mentioned that. Hiss! Hiss!

A district president wrote about the Stetzer Church and Change invitation. I tracked it down to the Stetzer website since Church and Change was lying - again. Hiss! Hiss! "You are worse than Jackson." Hiss. "8th Commandment." Hiss. Stetzer is lying. Hiss. The conference is canceled. Hiss. But that is the hiss-terical reaction of liars who want to bowl over someone telling the truth.

The aptly named Moose Report complained bitterly about Sweet not being welcomed in WELS. I quoted those publicly published words. Hiss. Hiss.

There are only a few WELS stealth congregations. Nothing to see. Move on. Hiss. Hiss. But now one of their own brags about all the Church and Change congregations. The list grows daily. Someone should quiet Tim Felt-Needs down. He is way too honest, glib, and smug about Church and Change.

There are too many quotations from orthodox Lutherans on Ichabod. The quotations make the cockroaches hiss.

I invent up the comments, even pretending to be a layman suffering from the predations of WELS pastors. Hiss. Believe me, I barely have time to copy and paste the latest felonies from WELS.

There is not as much adultery among the WELS church workers as I seem to think. Hiss. But look at the public examples, from Rev. Family Values marrying his secretary to the various lawsuits filed and arrests made. I always thought that Christian life resources would exclude adultery, but I am legalistic.

They used to hiss that no one ever, ever went to Fuller Seminary - not even the ones who bragged about going there. Not even the ones listed in a mailing from Fuller - all the WELS clergy who went to Fuller. Now they have trouble hissing out an explanation about where all this Church Growth garbage came from. Valleskey became president of The Sausage Factory while promoting CG. His only book is a double back-flip in favor of every silly Church Growth gimmick from Fuller. But he did not go to Fuller. He bragged to David Koenig of the CLC about going to Fuller, so Koenig hissed to me that I should not have told everyone. Did Valleskey hiss at him for telling? Giant hissing cockroaches probably hiss just for the fun of it.

Did the fainting lagomorphs of the COP stomp their paws about Stetzer? They expressed concern.

I believe Randall Schultz is right. Church and Change is on its way out. Everyone is sick of them. They are like disco music, without the melody. Just the thump, thump, thumping of disco, very tiresome and dated.

Time to bug out - Church and Change.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name III: Church ...":

If Sweet and Stetzer are inter-twined, then surely so are the WELS pastors who felt the need to attend the pan-enthusiam conference. If this is common knowledge, please tell me what kind of church disapline (sic) was dealt out to those wayward pastors? Is there a list of those pastors that could be made public so as to make their congregations aware of how they spend their "free time" ?

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GJ - You have slandered Holy Mother WELS, just by asking that question. The names of the pastors involved can be obtained from Bailing Water. At least Mr. Water knows which ones to ask. They were described as heavy hitters, so I imagine they are quite well known in WELS.

Discipline was immediate and severe. They were allowed to invite Stetzer to be their next Church and Change speaker. If the mountain (Sweet) cannot come to Mohammed (WELS conference), then Mohammed can come to the mountain. And get this - if that discipline was not severe enough already - the COP frowned. Yes, they expressed concern. That is worse than waterboarding. Worse than hearing the favorite songs of Amy Winehouse. Worse than watching Time of Grace every Sunday.

The laity will have to act. The WELS clergy will not.

If Becker Is Elated, Then Why Did He Hide the Call from the Synod President?



Insurbordination can be fun, but German Lutherans still remember what Unordnung means.


This is direct from the official WELS email list, so do not accuse me of making up this treacle:

New Parish Assistance consultant

Filed Under: Parish Assistance


For the first time since August 2006, WELS Parish Assistance—which offers fee-based consulting services to help congregations analyze and improve their ministries—has three full-time consultants. Rev. Paul Kelm, who previously served as a Parish Assistance consultant from January 1998 to August 2004, accepted a call Oct. 14 to be the third consultant, a position that had been vacant for more than two years.

"We are just elated," says Rev. Bruce Becker, administrator for WELS Parish Services, the board that oversees the Parish Assistance program. "We will now be in a position to start accepting the requests for services from the congregations that have been waiting."

Becker says he's looking forward to working again with Kelm, who will be starting his consulting duties Nov. 1. "Paul has always been a fantastic consultant," says Becker. "He's also just come out of four years of parish ministry, which brought him back up to the realities of life in the parish—and that will only enhance his ability to serve as a consultant."

In addition to his previous experience as a Parish Assistance consultant, Kelm has also served as pastor at St. Mark, De Pere/Green Bay, Wis., and Faith, Pittsfield, Mass.; campus pastor, professor, and dean of students at Wisconsin Lutheran College, Milwaukee; administrator of WELS' Commissions on Evangelism and Adult Discipleship; project director of Spiritual Renewal, Milwaukee; campus pastor at Wisconsin Lutheran Chapel, Madison; and tutor at the former Dr. Martin Luther College, New Ulm, Minn. [GJ - He also started an ELCA congregation.]

"This call is something that I think matches my gifts and my personality," says Kelm. "And my years here at St. Mark, in a large parish, have helped to shape some of the ways in which I can help congregations as well. I did enjoy [serving as a consultant] and expect to again."

For more information about WELS Parish Assistance, visit www.wels.net/pa

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KJV 1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

KJV 2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

KJV Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

GJ - One certain sign of people who despise the Word is their disorderly behavior.

Church and Change Tactics



Would I lie to you, baby?


The WELS Conference of District Presidents has already discussed the Church and Change shindig with Baptist Ed Stetzer as the main speaker.

Now the Church and Change supporters are screaming that it is a violation of the 8th Commandment to say there is a conference with Ed Stetzer. Maybe it was canceled. Oh sure - that is why the COP discussed the conference as a future reality.

Church and Change is a bit too coy for me. Too clever by half, as they say.

They are lying by not announcing Stetzer on the website. Stetzer is telling the truth by bragging about his WELS gig, which specifically says WELS Church and Change. Funny, his link is back to the main WELS.net site, so perhaps he or they want to imply official approval.

Ichabodians may recall that when I quoted Kelm's endorsement of a Kent Hunter conference, Frosty Bivens (The Sausage Factory) immediately rose to accuse me of violating the 8th Commandment. I produced the actual copy, ipsissima verba from Paul Kelm, and Frosty said, "How do we know he gave permission...? etc. etc." Later I asked The Church Doctor himself. Hunter said he asked for a written endorsement from Kelm and got it. So the only violator was Frosty Bivens himself, falsely accusing me to defend his Church Growth buddy Paul Kelm. I later learned that Bivens was another student of Fuller Seminary, like Larry Olson, David Valleskey, James Huebner, Reuel Schulz, Wally Oelhaven, Fred Adrian, and many others. Yet Bivens denied he ever went there, just as Valleskey did. So both of them falsely accused me of lying about them when I spoke the truth.

Anyone who expects common decency from the Church and Change bunch is delusional. They have deceived their way into power and they are not going to change their habits now.

As anyone can see, Church and Change deceived the leadership about the Kelm call and the Stetzer conference. Their added deception is to suggest there is no Stetzer conference.

I am thoroughly enjoying this because plenty of people are leaking information to me.

Posts from Church and Change Obi-Wans, robots, and Useful Idiots (with money) are always welcome here.

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From Bailing Water:

John said...
I want to ask how an anonymous commenter can scream 8th commandment at me.

How did I break the 8th commandment? All I did was post that Ed Stetzer was speaking at the next C & C conference. I also mentioned that several WELS pastors sat at his feet back in April. How is this breaking the 8th commandment? You drew the conclusions.

Now you tell me. Is it a sin for Stetzer to present at the C&C conference (as long as he doesn't lead a prayer?) Does one principle over-ride another?

October 20, 2008 5:52 PM


Anonymous said...
My question is: Why would WELS members (clergy & laity) WANT to have Ed Stetzer as a keynote speaker?

Another question I have is: Why do the congregations that choose to not use Lutheran in their names WANT to be part of WELS?

October 20, 2008 6:10 PM


Tim Niedfeldt [Felt Needs] said...
No it is not a sin for Stetzer to present(not even if he says a prayer..just if the attendees participate in it).

No it is not a sin to point it out if you don't like it.

No there is no 8th commandment thing being broken in this instance.

and finally although I appreciate knowing someone is out there who might support something i say, I will not go so far as to say that there is 8th commandment breaking going on (and its fair to say I've taken a word or two of criticism). Sometimes there are strong words, fervent words, sarcastic words..all said out of zeal and maybe frustration at times. I think this is all in the realm of acceptability in a public forum. Now I can name a few places on the internet where the 8th commandment hardly exists.

I think that whole 8th commandment thing is thrown around too much...as if disagreement or presentaion of a topic is putting someone else down. Its the same as those who throw out the "I'm offended" trump card in church meetings..honestly have we truly forgotten how to be men?

maybe if we as a society had not created a few generations of sissys (my generation being one of the worst) we could talk, debate, argue, criticize, and chastise freely without crying 8th commandment foul

If you can't stand the CPU heat get out of the blogosphere.


Tim

WELS Conference of Presidents Know All about Stetzer



For a large fee I will speak to your WELS sheep.


"The next Church and Change Conference will be having Ed Stetzer, a person not of our fellowship, be one of its speakers. He is part of the "missional" movement. The members of the COP in looking at his theology and aggressive style of presentation have some serious reservations about his appearance at this conference and have asked President Schroeder to express our concerns to the leaders of Church and Change."

NW DP Englebrecht

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GJ - The quotation above was sent to the pastors in that district, so it is public knowledge.

The Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name III:
Church and Change Conference 2009



Church and Change board member Bruce Becker is also the Administrator for Parish Services. He issued a stealth call to Paul Kelm, without telling the Synod President. Now there is a stealth conference.



What happened to the Means of Grace?



As of October 20th, Church and Change Has Not Announced Their Speaker, Baptist Ed Stetzer


The Assemblies of God loved him! Why shouldn't WELS?

Church and Change booked Ed Stetzer for their next conference, apparently after a bunch of WELS pastors went to a pan-Enthusiasm conference.

WELS Church and Change must have paid him a substantial fee in advance, or they would not be on his list of speaking engagements.

However, an extensive search of the Church and Change site reveals no conference planned for 2009, no mention of Stetzer, no inkling of the joy they found at the pan-Enthusiasm conference.

Stetzer will be with New Age Methodist Leonard Sweet right after his WELS gig. Readers may recall that Church and Change booked Leonard Sweet, but that blew up in their faces. Stetzer's appearance at a Sweet event shows how these frauds are inter-twined.

Stetzer links back to WELS.net, not to Churchandchange.ugh.

WELS Belles - Girly Men Who Cannot Admit They Are Lutheran



I too skeered to say I am Lutheran.


Some people at Bailing Water have provided names of WELS congregations where the confession is hidden. I will add this list to my previous one. Some are repeats, but some are new:

Church and Change Congregations from Tim Felt-Needs:

St. Mark's Depere
St. Marcus, Milwaukee
Crosswalk, Laveen, AZ
Crossroads, Chicago
Christ the Rock, Round Rock, TX
Sure Foundation, Brooklyn, NY
Victory of the Lamb, Franklin, WI
Hope Lutheran, Oconomowoc, WI
Solid Rock Ministries, Appleton, WI
Christ the Rock - Round Rock, Texas
http://www.ctrtx.net/
Point of Grace, Milwaukee (copy and paste veteran from DePere)
Also, a newly forming Solid Rock Ministries - south of St Mark De Pere - Pastor Jim Skorzewski