Thursday, December 10, 2009

Your Thrivent Dollars at Work




So I am helping ELCA with all my Thrivent policies?
I need a free Thrivent napkin to wipe my brow.


Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Good News from Thrivent - Giving Minus":

I haven't heard of Thrivent helping the LCMS or WELS seminaries out much, but here the ELCA Luther Seminary in St. Paul has a whole Thrivent dept:

Thrivent Reformation Research Program:

http://www.luthersem.edu/story/story_article.asp?article_id=99&issue_id=12

http://staupitz.luthersem.edu/contact_us.htm


Now I Shout It From the Highest Hills




Missouri or WELS? Tastes great or less filling?









Come home to Missouri, Mark. Look what it did for me.


HopenChangen Debacle in Copenhagen




I won't need to wear a catalytic converter in my didies?

Read The Finkelsteinery for all the details.


New Blog Linked




 
LCMS DP Wille graduated from Mequon.
Al Barry vicared in WELS.
Mark Jeske vicared in WELS and graduated from Mequon.

I added Brothers of John the Steadfast
to the blog list on the left. That blog seems to have the latest LCMS news on it.

The writers do not like Kieschnick's ChurchGrowthism.

I was surprised they had a misleading section on Pietism. It is supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, which is Midwestern for "lame." The section equates Pietism with not having fun and anti-Pietism with promoting liquor and tobacco. Pietism is the leading cause of Lutheran misfortunes in America. Few Lutherans seem to understand that Pietism is behind ChurchGrowthism, the Shrinkers' furious opposition to the creeds, confessions, liturgy, and sound doctrine.

Strangely enough, the Sausage Factory in Mequon has a similar fetish about proving itself anti-Pietist. They do that by extolling excess, which says more about their latent Pietism than their orthodoxy. I recall one of Larry Olson's disciples raising a beer as a "witness against the Pietists." A better witness might be a repudiation of the Church Growth Movement, a bridge too far for many.

Advent Vespers Tonight at 7 PM Central






I am the True Vine - you are the branches


Vespers, Mid-Week Advent Service, 2009

Pastor Gregory L. Jackson

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bethany-lutheran-worship

Bethany Lutheran Worship, 7 PM Central Time

The Hymn # 457 What a Friend 2.24
The Order of Vespers p. 41
The Psalmody Psalm 100 p. 144
The First Lection Romans 10:1-16
The Second Lection John 15:1-10
The Sermon Hymn # 552 Abide with Me 2.11

Abiding in Christ

The Prayers and Lord’s Prayer p. 44
The Collect for Peace p. 45
The Benediction p. 45
The Hymn #651 Be Still My Soul 2.17

KJV Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

KJV John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Abiding in Christ

Romans 10 is a clear, beautiful description of how people are justified by faith.

The first few verses are important, because the provide a stark contrast to the Gospel. The Jewish people are zealous but they want to establish their own righteousness, not God’s righteousness.

The righteousness of the Law condemns.

Romans 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Either the Law is completely fulfilled, which is impossible for man, or it condemns the person trying to be justified by the Law.

The righteousness of God comes through faith:

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

For good reason, the Formula of Concord speaks of the righteousness of faith, which the Pietists have opposed so harshly that some people are afraid to speak of faith.

Many people are confused because they do not know this simple passage and its implications. Step by step, reverse-engineering what he just said, Paul explains the origin of the righteousness of faith.

First is the declaration of how one is saved:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

No works are demanded, and works are not mixed with the Gospel, as if man must make himself good in the eyes of God to receive the blessing of salvation.

How does this happen? So many rush around making these demands, oppressing people with the very Gospel that should free them, because the Gospel mixed with Law is worse in some respects than pure Law.

The steps for salvation are given in reverse order.

1. Whoever calls on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.
2. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? (Faith is the pre-requisite for calling on the Lord for salvation.)
3. Origin of faith - and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? (Faith comes from the preaching/hearing of the Gospel.)
4. Sermons come from where? - and how shall they hear without a preacher?
5. How do we find preachers? - 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

John 15 – The True Vine

The True Vine passage is especially pointed for those who are familiar with growing grapes, thorns, or bushes. Jesus’ sermon is both a warning and a comfort.

Grapes, roses, and bushes have this in common – they grow much better when the deadwood is pruned away. The productive branches are also pruned to make them more fruitful.

In fact, when we had mesquite trees, the biggest problem was that normal pruning made them grow even more productive, so the more they were pruned, the more they grew, even without being watered.

Roses also become dormant when left alone. The deadwood drains the energy of the plant. The flowers turn to seed, according to the Creator’s design, and stops producing flowers.

Peas, beans, and tomatoes will also flower and bear more when the fruit of the plant is picked. When we picked beans and peas, which were planted by the pounds, we had so many that we asked people to pick their own, and then we had even more.

This sermon answers two questions which the Pietists avoid.

One question is – What should believers do to become more fruitful in the Kingdom?

There is nothing about forming cell groups, conventicles, or committees. The answer is simple and basic – abide in Me and I will abide in you.

Pruning is justification: godly contrition and receiving forgiveness through faith.
The Holy Spirit daily forgives us our sins, because the Holy Spirit is always active through the Word, whether, heard, read, or remembered.

The second question is – What happens to others?

Many begin in the faith but become dead wood. They are pruned away to be gathered up in the Final Judgment.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

This five-step description fits those who never believe the Gospel and those who fall away from the faith. In our country, where there are so many churches and so much apostasy, it is more descriptive of those fallen away from the faith (apostates).

A survey of ELCA members shows that 30% of them of pro-life, believe in the Six-Day Creation, oppose evolution and abortion. Yet they remain with those who teach exactly the opposite. This can only erode the faith of millions because they seldom hear the truth, and they often hear ministers of all types attacking the Word of God.

Romans 1 is clear enough:

KJV Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

In John 15, Jesus is clear about how He blesses our lives, and this is all Gospel:

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

Our prayers will be answered if we abide in Christ, and we will be fruitful. Not only that, but we loved as deeply by Christ as He is by the Father.

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PS - Fox Mulder logs in from New Ulm, Minnesota.

Gunn and Hunter on the Short List for Second Pastor at WLC





Jeff Gunn is still the No. 1 pick for the second pastor, WLC.
He is on the board and losing his job in Phoenix.



Randy Hunter is another candidate for running WLC's cell groups.

The students and faculty are already WELS members--not necessarily Lutheran, if you get my drift. Boss man wants to treat the campus like his own church. Like Wayne Mueller, the more people hired, the better for lobbying.

Jeff Gunn's stealth sect is not going to be accepted by his own district, so he is looking for a new soapbox.

The issue is not whether students live there in dorms. I love the way some people turn a doctrinal discussion into something else. Clearly the school wants to build a base of unionistic Pietism while asking Lutherans to study and work there.

There are plenty of fine Pietistic schools around Milwaukee. Why build up another one in the stealth mode?

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In other news, my post about Mark and Avoid Jeske was prescient. Stay tuned.

Wisconsin Lutheran College, Liturgy, and Emmanuel








Whenever God builds a chapel, Satan builds a cathedral nearby (reversing Luther's order - these are the End Times).
 


dk has left a new comment on your post "Is "Our Valpo" A Congregation? - Ripped from the P...":

I'm curious, professor, what you would say about a Pastor who used contemporary Christian music in a chapel service but who used the Book of Concord exclusively as the material for the service and sermon. (assuming that the CCM had words that were Orthodx. Say, like a Luther hymn set to rock music)

You and I personally might despise the music and call it "Whoopee worship", but I don't think there's any legitimate Scriptural/Confessional criticism for such an arrangement. Sadly many of your readers would condemn that hypothetical pastor as if he were teaching false doctrine (without even hearing what he had to say).

The only criticism that would be possible is accusing the hypothetical Pastor of pandering to populism, making worship 'entertainment' rather than worship.

This argument is valid, but it's valid for both sides of the equation. Just as many folks who end up in churches of your preferred flavor do so because of the style and feel. And there are just as many "High Churches" that teach dreck as there are Happy-Clappies. Both sides, Liturgicals and happy clappies, are just operating on their preferred set of cultural memes--not actually drawing on Biblical commands. But if the doctrine is correct, you cannot say a thing.


That being said, I don't think you should criticize Pastor Strobel in the way that you did. I'm not implying that he's teaching the Lutheran Confessions in his Contemporary services. I think not. But I happen to know that he's the kind of person who'd be very interested in hearing that suggestion. Yes, I know that CCM is the smoke of the Enthusiastic fire, but real Confessional Lutherans also need to distance themselves from the idiots who claim that the Western Rite is the only proper way to worship. Your bland criticism of any and all CCM gives the Liturgical Nazis confidence in their misunderstanding. (and a righteously stiff and austere upper lip)

This ain't some generic cry "8th commandment, 8th commandment". I don't think you have or do break it.

It's just a credibility issue.

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GJ - I was not nominated to the WLC board, so I know little about what goes on there. It would be good for them to have some outside directors. I could be the token Lutheran.

DK misses the point of Contemporary Charismatic Music. The model is entertainment and sentimentality. The Lutherans are aping the Pentecostals with their Seeker Services. Willow Creek may be the training ground, but the Pentecostals are the gold lead standard - an amateur hour fanning hopes for a real music career. Is it an accident that Elvis began by singing in a Pentecostal church? That many Black singers were first church soloists?

"Blended worship" is a bigger farce. The only point of blended worship is to move members by baby-steps into rock services. It takes time for the Shrinkers to do this, but their Father Below is patient. Look at how long it took to bring down the Lutherans.

My question about WLC was this - why is the campus considered a congregation? The honest answer may be this - they want to use the school to train students in apostasy (marketed as cutting edge spirituality). They are local students, are they not? Why would the school be a second church for them, unless more was planned? The agenda was given away in the article. They want to promote cell groups - Pietism. Milwaukee is loaded with WELS Shrinkers. They could volunteer their time to develop conventicles. But wait - the Shrinkers only work for the big bucks. Forget that.

Foundation grants are drying up. Thrivent ain't thriving. Poverty could save the Lutheran Church from the Shrinkers.


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TR asked about Emmanuel versus Immanual. For some perverse reason, the Hebrew is transliterated several ways. The m's vary too, whether the name starts with an E or an I.

English is fairly consistent but not with this word.

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GJ:

DK,  I know people who worship worship - so high church they would chant the announcements if they could. They are often the same people who turn tail and run away from doctrinal discernment. But the liturgy and creeds and historic lessons preserved the Faith during those awful periods of German Pietism, Unionism, and Rationalism. The apostates today want to take away the last barriers to their program, because the Word of God does stand in their way.

Given the odious choice, between a high church apostate and a Church Growth apostate, I would worship high church, smells and bells, rather than rock and roll with Cousin Brunhilda.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Wisconsin Lutheran College, Liturgy, and Emmanuel":

Is "Carry On Wayward Son" appropriate during the Collects?(This happened at an LCMS church)

An accustic guitar with the organ is fine if using traditional hymns.
The harp, trumpet, or string instrument are also traditional.

Come on now, Christian Rock Bands?
In "Here I Stand", Roland Bainton discusses this. I will find the page later, unless, Pastor GJ wishes to post it sooner.

For the record, GJ is not against using another traditional instrument.

I'm quite sure JK would like to provide some comments.

In Christ,
from WELS church lady

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GJ - Quoted by Marquart at a forum, on Easter Sunday, three chapagne bottles (Dom Patterson Perignon?) were on the altar.  "Christ is risen." Pop went the first cork. "He is risen indeed." Repeated two more times. I don't know if it was at St. John Ellisville, but that is certainly their style.

Leonard and Marian Newman - LCMS/WELS



Starting a life: Part one of the story of Marion Newman

By Virginia Florey
Published: Thursday, December 3, 2009 12:58 AM EST

Midland Daily News




    "Life is made up, not of great sacrifices or duties, but of little things, in which smiles and kindness and small obligations, given habitually, are what win and preserve the heart and secure comfort."

     Sr. H. Davy


    When 19-year-old Marion Cox married 23-year-old Leonard Newman, who was attending seminary to become a Lutheran minister, she figured their married life would not follow the usual path that most young marrieds can expect.

    She was right. Raising six children on a pastor's salary. Working nights while her husband was in seminary to keep their little family financially afloat. Moving from town to town as her husband received calls from different churches. Life was never predictable as the young couple adjusted to a life spent in the ministry but it's a life she would choose all over again if she had the opportunity.

    Marion Newman was born Marion Cox to George and Annitha Cox in Milwaukee, Wis. and three years later they welcomed a baby son they named Raymond. The country was in a time of prosperity and people were optimistic about the future. But when Marion was 7 and Raymond was 4, their mother Annitha died. Marion's grandmother, Marie Thiede, took her granddaughter to live with her. Remembering that time, Marion said, "She was going to take over." For the next two years Marion lived with her grandmother.

    "She influenced my life greatly," Marion said. Born in Denmark, Marie Thiede married a young German man and their marriage produced five sons. After her husband's death, Marie remarried and that marriage produced two daughters and four sons. The daughters were named Sylvia and Annitha because as Marie said, "I can't give my daughters anything but fancy names." By the time Marion went to live with her grandmother, Marie was a widow, raising her family alone.

    Marion and Raymond grew up in the Lutheran church, attendinga Lutheran day school and Lutheran high school. Then Marion enrolled at Lutheran Teachers College in New Ulm, Minn. Raymond served in the Marines in Korea and later enrolled in the Springfield Seminary becoming a WELS missionary in Africa for about thirty years.

    Desperate for teachers at the time, the Synodical Conference extended a Divine Call to Marion to teach in Benton Harbor. Now just 18-years-old, she became the teacher for the Kindergarten, first and second grades at St. Matthews. Deciding to join the choir resulted in meeting the young man she would marry two years later, Leonard Newman. When Leonard saw Marion in choir, he said, "Who's the new girl?"

    Leonard was the son of August and Mary Newman who had grown up in the Ukraine, part of the group of Germans called the Volga Deutsche. Their families were descendants of the Germans who had been given free farmland by Catherine the Great of Russia, herself a German princess before marrying Peter III of Russia. The Germans were noted for their farming skills which Russian peasants lacked. Catherine also was shrewd enough to use the German colonists as a buffer zone between the Russian people and the nomads to the east of Russia.

    By the time August and Mary were young adults, war was threatening and the young German men were the first to be conscripted into the Russian army. To escape conscription August and Mary were able to relocate to Canada where they had four children. Newman relatives who lived in Chicago told the young couple that work was plentiful in a town called Benton Harbor. August and Mary uprooted their four children from Canada and made the move to Michigan. There they had two more sons, Leonard and Ruben. Pastor Newman enjoyed telling people that his father was a carpenter and his mother's name was Mary. Both assertions true. The Newman family lived at 317 Britain St. in Benton Harbor.

    When Marion met Leonard at St. Matthews in Benton Harbor, he was on the cusp of deciding on his future career. God had been calling him for sometime to serve in the ministry and when he was 22 he "finally decided to listen to God's calling." Len attended Seminary for one year while engaged to Marion and when she was 19 and he was 23 they were married at Marion's home church, Good Shepherd, in a suburb of Milwaukee now known as West Allis.

    "We didn't have a car or furniture. We borrowed a car from Len's brother to drive to Springfield, Ill., so we could buy some furniture at an auction," Marion said. The newly married couple moved to Springfield, living in government housing while Len was in school at the Synodical Conference College in Springfield, Miss. At this time both the Missouri Synod and Wisconsin Synod were in agreement with church doctrine. Later the two separated, with the Missouri Synod Seminary being called Concordia and the Wisconsin Synod Seminary became centered in Mequon, Wis.

    With no money to buy a car, Len found a bike he could buy for $2, painted it black, and pedaled it back and forth to classes, securely chaining it to the porch railing each night The bike was named Black Beauty.

    With Len still in Seminary, the young couple welcomed their first child, a daughter, Mary. With a new baby, Marion couldn't teach so she babysat other children to add to their always meager finances . Later on, she worked at Sangamo Electric at night while Pastor took care of their two children, Billy having been born two years after Mary. Marion worked on a bench lathe next to a pounding drill press doing work for the Navy.

    Part II will publish in two weeks.


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GJ - This brings back happy memories. We were just talking about the Newmans while our grandchildren were watching the geese at a park near our home in Bella Vista.The geese were remarkably tame at the park, allowing children to pet them.

LI remembered Leonard talking him into approaching a goose on her nest, near the Newmans' home in the wild. The goose took after LI, flailing him with her iron-bar like wings. We had a big laugh about it.

Leonard was a traditional LCMS pastor. The liberal LCMS pastors called him "Loveless Leonard" for being a real pastor instead of a compromising pal. He took over a broken parish in the area, previously served by a man who split the church over anti-Semitism, and built it up through the Word and traditional services.

The Leonards were frugal, often saying "Make do or do without."

Leonard was my entry into the old Synodical Conference. I began by being a member of his church and applying in the Michigan District. I went to Ft. Wayne for classes, met Herman Otten at CN headquarters, and visited the LCMS Indianapolis convention, where Bohlmann was re-elected. Indianapolis convinced us not to continue with Missouri, but try WELS.

The irony is that my ELS and WELS contacts, Kincaid Smith and John Lawrenz, were both Church Growthers. Smith said, "My DMin at Ft. Wayne was all Church Growth." That program was developed under Robert Preus, whose faculty endorsed "Church Grwoth principles." Lawrenz outted himself when he wrote material for WELS cell groups and posted on Church and Change's not-so-secret listserve.

Papal ELCA Serves as Bad Example to Missouri and ELS

Heavenly battle turns to court of man

for The Brooklyn Paper
The battle between the congregation at Bethlehem Lutheran Church and the church’s governing body could soon shift from the kingdom of heaven to a New York court.
The dwindling congregation at the shuttered Boerum Hill church has started raising money to sue the Metropolitan New York Synod to force it to return the church building on Pacific Street to the local group and let it reopen for spiritual business.
The problem: The Synod, which oversees 210 Evangelical Lutheran churches in New York, obtained the deed to Bethlehem in an internal church struggle last January and kicked out the congregation.
Worse, the Synod de-sanctified Bethlehem Lutheran as a church.
“I was shocked when they came out and said Bethlehem Church no long exists,” said Muriel Tillinghast, who was president of the congregation. “We existed before the Synod existed.”
The church has stood at 490 Pacific St. since 1874. Built by the Swedish Lutheran community, the 1,250-seat house of worship acted as a cultural center for Swedish immigrants. At the time of its closing, less then 40 people were affiliated. Today, that number is down to 27 active members, who pray in exile at the Zion German Evangelical Lutheran Church in Brooklyn Heights.
Tillinghast said that the church’s declining membership was the reason that the Synod shut it down in January, but newly appointed assistant pastor Norman David said it was all about money.
So now, he’s planning the lawsuit — a process with which he is well acquainted.
In fact, David hooked up with the Bethlehem congregation because the same thing happened at his own parish in Beaumont, Mass., where he still lives and preaches when not working at Bethlehem.
“We would love to have the Synod come around and say, ‘Look, we are sorry. Here is the property. Let’s work together.’”
The Synod would not comment on the matter because “it’s under litigation,” a spokesman said.
Meanwhile, David is raising money. A couple Saturdays ago, he organized a fundraiser for the church and held a service outside the building’s locked doors, turning over a trash can, draping a white cloth over it, and offering sacrament. Despite the rain, the Bethlehem parishioners sang hymns and held a full service.
“We are still here, even if we are locked out of the building,” he said.
David said he needs to raise $200,000 to take the Synod to court. He has $5,000 so far.


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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Papal ELCA Serves as Bad Example to Missouri and E...":

That's a large church for 27 people. Can they even afford to heat it?


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GJ - Seats 1200, with 27 members? Ask Ski where he gets his money.