Saturday, January 12, 2013

Do the Intrepids Recognize the Chief Article of the Christian Faith?
Where Were the Intrepids When Jon-Boy Was Removing Pastor Rydecki?

One of these dogs is guilty.


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Douglas Lindee states in the post, "...is to invite a rift with nearly all other confessional Lutherans in America."

And in his comments, "the issue isn't at all a minor one. It is a matter of fundamental Christian doctrine."

What is it with these so-called Intrepid Lutherans where they refer to the Lutheran Synods as Confessional after they recently excommunicated faithful Pastor Paul Rydecki (himself a founder of the Intrepid Lutherans) for teaching and defending one Justification solely by the gracious gift of Faith in Christ alone?!!

Then he has the gall to refer to the NNIV's perversion of Scripture as a matter of fundamental Christian doctrine. Where's the Intrepid (Douglas Lindee, Father Spencer etc) disgust and public action against the excommunication of a faithful pastor for teaching and defending the CHIEF AND CENTRAL ARTICLE OF CHRISTIAN FAITH?

It's all such a joke. 


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GJ - I understand Buchholz is on thin ice, now that he has emulated Pope John the Malefactor in the Little Sect on the Prairie.

The laity have to step up because the clergy are spineless. 

"If only I had some power." 

Mark Schroeder does - and he has been silent for years. Plush salary and benefits - no leadership.

WELS Divided over NNIV.
Martin Luther (sic) College and Mequon Against Mark "The Helpless" Schroeder




WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 9, 2013

LCMS Commission on Theology and Church Relations (CTCR) recommends against NIV 2011


In December of 2011, a similar headline appeared on Intrepid Lutherans: ELS doctrine committee recommends against NIV 2011. In that post, we reported that the Doctrine Committee of the Evangelical Lutheran Synod (ELS), “based on preliminary study of the NIV 2011” upon which they found “significant changes to the text of the NIV (1984)... diminish[ing] the accuracy of the NIV,” proceeded to publicly “recommend against the use of the NIV (2011).”

In August of 2012 – coincidentally, shortly following the last of the WELS 2012 District Conventions – the Commission on Theology and Church Relations (CTCR) of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod (LCMS) issued a similar, though more lengthy, statement expressing their opinion on the strength of the NIV 2011 as a suitable translation for use in the congregation, specifically with reference to its rendering of the Biblical texts in gender inclusive language. The statement was issued at the request of LCMS Synod President Rev. Matt Harrison. The name of this document is CTCR Staff Opinion on Inclusive Language in the New International Version (2011). They conclude on page four:
    ...[W]e find the NIV's Committee on Bible Translation [CBT] decision to substitute plural nouns and pronouns for masculine singular nouns and pronouns to be a serious theological weakness and a misguided attempt to make the truth of God's Word more easily understood. The use of inclusive language in NIV 2011 creates thepotential for minimizing the particularity of biblical revelation and, more seriously, at times undermines the saving revelation of Christ as the promised Savior of humankind. Pastors and congregations of the LCMS should be aware of this serious weakness. In our judgment this makes it inappropriate for NIV 2011 to be used as a lectionary Bible or as a Bible to be generally recommended to the laity of our church. This is not a judgment on the entirety of NIV 2011 as a translation – a task that would require a much more extensive study of NIV 2011 – but an opinion as to a specific editorial decision which has serious theological implications.

    (NOTE: in all quotes from this Statement, emphasis is mine)

Leading up to this conclusion, the August 2012 CTCR Statement makes plain that the issue of Gender Neutrality is not one that hasn't already been thoroughly investigated by the LCMS. Unlike WELS, they are not just beginning to discuss it as a Synod, but took the issue of gender neutral Bible translation seriously when it first emerged in the 1990's. Responding to gender neutral editorializing of the Bible, such as that taken up by the translators of the New Revised Standard Version, the CTCR examined the issue closely and at length, issuing in 1998 a document entitled, Biblical Revelation and Inclusive Language (BRIL). The August 2012 CTCR Statement on the issue of inclusive language in the NIV 2011 quotes at length from this 1998 document. It states that, while BRIL “recognizes that 'language evolves' and so takes no position with regard to the propriety of inclusive language in everyday life,”
    [t]he concern that led to [BRIL] had to do with the removal of gender specific language from translations of the Holy Scriptures... and the substitution of gender inclusive language that is not present in the original languages and texts of Scripture. In this regard [BRIL] takes a clear position grounded in the understanding of revelation itself that is held by us as Lutheran Christians:

      This raises a different set of difficulties, for the Scriptures are not merely the rendering of a culturally based understanding of God. They are to be regarded as revelation whose author is finally God himself. Moreover, not only the concepts of Scripture but the very words of Scripture have been given to the biblical authors to write (1 Cor. 2:9-132 Tim. 3:162 Pet. 1:19-21Jer. 30:2). While the church will certainly wish to accommodate modern sensibilities and translate anew where the language of the Scriptures allows, the church is not free to alter the language of revelation.
Quoting from BRIL, the August 2012 Statement of the CTCR goes on to say,
    It is in the Word made flesh (John 1:14) that God has fulfilled “his purpose for humankind's eternal destiny.” This purpose, in one particular Person born of Mary at a particular time and place, is revealed in the particularity of Holy Scripture and most specifically “in the written testimony of the evangelical and apostolic writings of the New Testament.” The specificity and particularity of the Word made flesh and the sacred Scriptures compel the church to “resist demands to change the words of Scripture or to replace them with words derived from common human experience, cultural predilections, or the ideas of philosophers and lawgivers.

    Biblical Revelation and Inclusive Language considers two aspects of the debate about masculine language in the Scriptures: the language that is used to refer to God and the language that is used to refer to humanity (both Christians and humanity in general). With regard to biblical language about God, the CTCR concludes: “If one wishes to translate accurately the words of the Scriptures, the language of both the Old Testament and the New Testament is clear enough concerning the terminology about God. God and his Spirit are consistently referred to in masculine terminology.” With regard to language about people, BRIL asserts that whenever the Scriptures speak about people, the texts should be translated in a way that is consistent with “the language which the biblical authors in fact use.”


While merely interpreting concepts and rendering them “with words derived from common human experience, cultural predilections, or the ideas of philosophers and lawgivers” (the way that NIV 2011 does), instead of translating the actual words and grammar “which the biblical authors in fact use,” doesn't adversely affect the meaning of a translation in every case, the August 2012 CTCR Statement stresses that this ideology of translation itself violates our understanding of Biblical revelation in principle, and that this is sufficient grounds for rejecting it, and thus also the NIV 2011. Nevertheless, this brief statement goes on to give two “very significant” examples where the meaning of Scripture is, in fact, adversely affected by the gender inclusive principles espoused by the translators of the NIV 2011. Rather than reproduce the entire Statement here, I leave it to the reader to download and digest its contents. Again, those documents are as follows: It should not escape the readers notice that, based on the CTCR's appeal to the Lutheran understanding of the very nature of Biblical revelation, for WELS to continue embracing the NIV 2011 as a viable translation that is not only suitable but recommended for use in our pulpits and in the homes of our laymen for private study, and which will serve as the Standard translation in all WELS publications – from devotions to hymnals, catechisms and commentaries, and even theological works published by Northwestern Publishing House (NPH) – is to invite a rift with nearly all other confessional Lutherans in America over the nature of Biblical revelation itself, including the doctrines of inspiration, inerrancy and perspicuity.

5 COMMENTS:

Anonymous said...
A member of the TEC became very upset when I mentioned this LCMS document at a conference this fall. First he told me that no such thing existed. Then when I pulled up a copy on my laptop and began to read a few quotes for the benefit of the room (which directly opposed the blatantly pro-NIV2011-but-pretending-to-be-neutral presentation he had just delivered), he interrupted and began to speak quite loudly over me, informing the audience of laymen, teachers, and pastors from my district that he "would not let me mislead them" and informing them that it was not any kind of an official opinion of the LCMS, "but merely one person's thoughts". He then strongly implied that Paul McCain was probably behind the whole thing.

I left very unimpressed.

Mr. Joseph Jewell
Pastor Spencer said...
Mr. Jewell,

Thank you for sharing your observation. Since it was a public meeting, attended by many, would you care to share also the name of the presenter from the TEC? I think it is important to know exactly who is saying what on this issue.

In any case - thanks again for the report.

Pastor Spencer
Anonymous said...
The speaker was Prof. Ken Cherney of WLS, speaking September 29, 2012 at California Lutheran High School (the keynote speech of a "discipleship workshop" on the Bible). I should say, by the way, that all of the breakout sessions for the workshop that I attended were very well done.

I found it quite ironic that the tag line publicizing the workshop was Martin Luther's quote about the power of "a simple layman armed with scripture..." Not in the WELS, I guess!

Mr. Joseph Jewell
Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
I have no idea what the internal political machinery of the LCMS may look like. Not that I really care to know – I happen to detest internal organizational politics. But every organization has them, including church organizations like WELS and LCMS. But it is really quite ridiculous to dismiss this CTCR Statement just because politics may have been involved, or even more crassly, because certain "less-preferred" political figures may have been involved in issuing it (one would assume based on this, that if a political figure with a morepreferable position had been involved, it would be taken more seriously instead of being dismissed as "one person's opinion"). Politics were involved, to be sure – the statement says so directly in footnote #1: "This document is in response to a request from the President of The Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod (LCMS), who asked for an opinion on the appropriateness for use in the LCMS of the 2011 edition of the New International Version." The chief political figure of the LCMS was behind it. Perhaps we should be more quick to dismiss anything in the WELS behind which our chief political figure is standing, or anything we think we can justifiably guess a "less-preferred political figure" was somehow involved with.

Here are the facts that those who released this Statement share with everyone equally – facts that they want known about it. This document is available from the CTCR page of the LCMS website, where it is prominently listed under the "Theological Opinions" heading of the "Recent Actions" section. That is, it is publicly labeled by them as an action of the CTCR, not the opinion of a person, and it is distributed by the LCMS CTCR as one oftheir documents, not by an individual. The Statement itself notes that it was issued by "request from the President of The Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod (LCMS)," not by request from Paul McCain or anyone else. The Statement declares of itself that it is "an opinion on inclusive language" or "an opinion as to a specific editorial decision which has serious theological implications," as opposed to a formal evaluation of the NIV 2011 in its entirety. Interestingly, the "opinion" is limited to this statement: "In our judgment, this makes it inappropriate for NIV 2011 to be used as a lectionary Bible or as a Bible to be generally recommended to the laity of our church." Other than this sentence, this Statement does very little "opining" at all, as its substance rests on profuse quotation from BRIL – a report of the CTCR with official standing, being prepared in response to an official request of the LCMS in Convention (1989). Indeed, a healthy respect for BRIL would make it very difficult to justify any other than the "opinion" this Statement finally expresses.

Continued in next comment...
Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
...Continued from previous comment.

As for Paul McCain, according to the LCMS document What is the CTCR? (which is also available on the CTCR page of the LCMS website), he has no association with the CTCR. Speculation that he is "behind the whole thing" as a means of dismissing this Statement is either rumour or conspiracy theory. Finally, this August 2012 CTCR Statement is signed, "CTCR Executive Staff," which is different than some of the other documents, some of which are signed "Adopted by the CTCR [on such-and-such a date]." This is a curious difference. Given the prominent placement of this Statement on their website, however, it is difficult to say, without a public explanation from them, what this difference means in terms of its general sanction. One can read What is the CTCR? to determine who the "Executive Staff" might be – but the Statement refers to the signatories as "we" throughout, not "I". Regardless of its status as "an opinion," or the number of people included as signatories, or whether it has the full sanction of the CTCR or not, the substance to contend with isn't really the "opinion" contained in the Statement. The substance to contend with is BRIL, and this CTCR statement makes that clear.

Finally, I think it is important to note the significance of recommending against the use of the NIV 2011. The LCMS CTCR and the ELS Doctrine Committee are not merely saying that other translations are more preferable than the NIV 2011 as a standard translation for use in Synod publications, parish lectionaries and pulpits, and for lay devotional use. What they are saying is far more forceful. They are making a positive recommendation against the use of the NIV 2011 by conscientious Lutherans, the CTCR stating directly that the NIV 2011 isinappropriate for use in the congregation, and cannot even be recommended for lay devotional use due to the "serious theological implications" of adopting a translation rendered "with words derived from common human experience, cultural predilections, or the ideas of philosophers and lawgivers" that are inconsistent with "the language which the biblical authors in fact use," all according to a human ideology which deliberately elevates the former above the latter. The reader must notice that there is nearly an ocean-breadth divide between them and the WELS TEC, and the issue isn't at all a minor one. It is a matter of fundamental Christian doctrine.

My "Opinion,"

Missouri Has a Huge Problem with CRM

The LCMS decided to preserve the Stephan-Walther dictatorship.


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CRM: Our Huge Problem

http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=26123 



Our Huge Problem

January 11th, 2013Post by 
When I was fired by LCMS, Inc. in 2008 I had a huge problem.
My problem was, I had a Call.
My Call document was issued by the LCMS Communications department and was signed by its executive director.
I remember, it was me, Jeff Schwarz, our boss, his boss and a nice lady from Human Resources. We sat in a meeting room immediately off the reception desk at the International Center.
My boss’ boss said, “Termination is a harsh word, but I have decided to cancel the show, and as a result, both of your positions are being terminated.”
After that sunk in, my first question was, “Does it matter that I have a Call document?”
He and the nice lady from Human Resources answered almost in unison, “No.”
The answer didn’t surprise me. After all, my Call document had been issued by the LCMS Communications department and was signed by the its executive director. It meant nothing.
But my meaningless Call document was still a huge problem for me.
You see, my meaningless Call document had kept me on the synodical clergy roster for the last 9 years. Now, although it meant nothing, it still meant that my status on the roster was going to change. Now, although it was meaningless, my Call document meant that I was going to be reclassified, and become a “CRM.”
fired
CRM is the synodical acronym for “candidatus reverendi ministerii” which is pious-sounding Latin for “candidate for the reverend ministry.”
“Candidate for the reverend ministry” sounds like a good thing, doesn’t it? It usually isn’t.
CRM is very often the bureaucratic no-man’s-land, the ecclesiastical limbo, the official purgatory for pastors. I had been a circuit counsellor, I knew what CRM meant. I knew what often happened to CRM pastors. Believe me, the last thing I wanted was to be reclassified CRM. I even considered resigning from the LCMS clergy roster altogether to avoid it.
That’s why my Call document, as meaningless as it was, was still a huge problem.
The congregation I attended came to my rescue. They called me to be their assistant pastor. That alone kept me off the CRM list.
Thus ends the story of my close brush with CRM status. Many, are not so fortunate.
Almost every week there is a pastor in the LCMS who has a real Call document and yet is told by his congregation and his District President that it means nothing. It happens all the time. Pastors are terminated, their Calls rescinded and their status changed to CRM.
I’m not talking about Pastors who sleep with the choir director, or steal from the offering plate, or teach false doctrine, or won’t carry out their duties. Those guys belong don’t belong on the CRM list; those guys belong off the clergy roster entirely and out of the ministry permanently.
No, I’m talking about Pastors who are doing what their Call document says they should be doing, but are still removed and told that their Call document means nothing. And, if that weren’t bad enough, they are told that their Call document, as meaningless as it is, will nonetheless drag them into the purgatory of CRM.
And, if they don’t know what that means, they soon find out.
The LCMS has a rich doctrine of the Office of the Holy Ministry that should prevent all this. Why doesn’t it?
The problem isn’t meaningless Call documents. The problem isn’t the CRM classification. Whether it is the congregation that fires its pastor, or the District President who lets them do it, the problem is the same. For them, the Lutheran doctrine of the Ministry means nothing.
That is a huge problem for all of us.

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GJ - Todd is UOJ, like Rolf Preus. But when someone is fired for political reasons, it is bad for everyone.

The day of the synod is over. The LCMS, WELS, and ELS are run by evil, amoral, apostate men (and women!).