Wednesday, January 16, 2013

DP Patterson Threatens His Counseling Victims with Violence - "Not a Brawler...Not a Wine-Bibber"

Which photo is gayer?

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Joe Krohn said...
Pr. Dietsche, it is not what the words said but what is implied. These signers will be 'interviewed' and systematically 'encouraged' to withdraw their names from the roll, or else. As one who has witnessed the dark side of the WELS; Whereas; in one meeting with a future DP, there was a fleeting moment where I feared for my physical safety; Pr. Rydecki was not removed from the WELS ministry for false doctrine, but because he would not adhere to their agenda. I am not 'grinding my ax' as some are wont to say, but to simply state the truth on what I have seen.

In the spirit of fraternal admonishment,
Joe

Martin Luther College - WELS - Cannot Abide Justification by Faith -
But They Copied a Homosexual Video and Lied about It.



Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Synod Pope Matt Harrison Really Cares About the Vi...":

Is it any different in the (W)ELS? I personally consider Martin Luther College's homoerotic Party in The MLC video (which was directed and acted by future (W)ELS clergy and teachers) to be their official coming out notice.

Any surprise then that the WELS COP recommended in their recent cabal to not address their seminary student's question regarding Synod policies on how to deal with porn addicted clergy:

D.05 Question from seminary student on COP policies regarding pornography


Background: A seminary student working on his senior project has asked for specific COP policies regarding the way that pastors involved with pornography are dealt with.

The Doctrine Committee recommends that due to its complex nature another topic be considered for a senior thesis project.


BARF! 


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GJ - The pastors know they have a homosexual/bisexual network in WELS. One pastor was sure others were involved with Joel Hochmuth.


Ambiguous - Or Ingenuous - Or Deceitful:
More Laughs from No Call Paul




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Paul McCain said...
While I have no spoon in this soup, I would simply like, with respect for all involved, to say that if a church body has determined for itself a doctrinal position and has chosen persons and processes for assuring that members of the church body in fact adhere to those doctrinal positions, it should come as no surprise when a person who has been removed from said church body and still is running a blog site involving members of his former church body causes those members to come under suspicion of sharing in that person's positions.

I can't see how, as a matter of principle, the actions of the WELS Council of Presidents can be faulted.

It seems only natural that the WELS would wish to assure itself that those who participate on this forum do not share in the opinions and positions of the person who was recently removed from the WELS.

And if they do, would they not also be duty bound to leave the WELS and find their church fellowship elsewhere?

BOYS BASKETBALL: Cal Lutheran's Dynamic duo | High School Game Time | HSGameTime PE.com - Press-Enterprise



Cal Luthern (sic) boys basketball players Ryan Smith, center, and Robert Riesenberg, right with coach Dave Peter on Monday, January 14, 2012. The C-Hawks are the top-ranked team in the CIF Division 6 poll and could be the one team from South County that plays for a CIF boys basketball title in March. Smith is 6-foot-10, Riesenberg is 5-9. Both are three-year starters. Riesnberg was the league MVP and led the C-Hawks to the CIF title game last spring. Smith is a D-1 college recruit. 

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WILDOMAR — There are 12 enrollment-based CIF-Southern Section playoff divisions for basketball. The smallest is Division 6 for schools with enrollments ranging from 19 to 99.
Sitting atop the first CIF D-6 basketball poll of 2013 was Wildomar Cal Lutheran. It is not a typo.
Entering this week, the C-Hawks are 10-3 and 4-0 in the Arrowhead League, where they have won 17 consecutive games dating to February 2011.
Last year’s team played in the CIF D-6 championship game, won its first-round game in the Southern California regionals, went 12-0 in league and is without question the best team ever to come through Cal Lutheran, according to coach and athletic director Dave Peter.
This year’s team is not far behind.
“Between this year’s team and last year’s team, they are the top two teams we’ve had at our school,” said Peter, now in his 14th year at Cal Lutheran. “It would be fun to have a video game simulation.”
There are two primary holdovers from last season’s senior-dominated roster and both are primarily responsible for the C-Hawks’ historic run: Robert Riesenberg, a 5-foot-9 senior guard, and Ryan Smith, a 6-10 senior center. Riesenberg was the league’s MVP as a junior while Smith was named the league’s best defensive player. They both were first team all-CIF D-6 selections.
“What he doesn’t have in size as a 5-9 player, he’s going to make up on the court with his intensity,” Peter said of Riesenberg, who is averaging 14.8 points, 4.2 assists, 4.3 steals and shooting 39 percent on 3-pointers this season. “He’s a great outside shooter. He’ll pick your pocket, even if you don’t want him to. He’s a very feisty floor general and just understands the game.”
“He’s probably the most competitive kid I’ve had in any sport. He wants to compete and he wants to win. … I don’t practice against the guys anymore because I got sick and tired of him stealing it from me.”
As for Smith, Peter said he has improved tremendously over the past year, gaining strength and stamina while improving his footwork and mid-range jumper. Smith is being recruited by NCAA Division I schools, including Top 25 ranked Minnesota.
“I’d be willing to say he’s 20 times better this year,” Peter said. “He worked his butt off in the weightroom. He had not played much travel ball prior to last year. I think that was huge for him. Every single day he was playing basketball.”
For three years, Smith also played football for Peter as “a 6-8 tight end/D-end.” But not this past fall.
“Last year after basketball season, I went to him and said, ‘Look, you just can’t play football,’” Peter said. “‘You’re going to be 6-10 and your future is in basketball.’ He’s the first kid in my 14 years of coaching football that I ever said don’t play football.”
Smith, who said he gets his height from his mother, who is 6-foot and his father, who is 6-5, took an official visit to Santa Clara in the fall and is receiving attention from Cal Baptist, a Division II school, as well as the D-I schools — the University of San Diego, Idaho, Montana and the Golden Gophers, Peter said.
“They’re looking for a big man,” Peter said. “In this class, big men are few and far between, especially guys that can actually run the floor, shoot and pass.”
Both Smith and Riesenberg are from North San Diego County; Smith from Escondido, Riesenberg from Fallbrook. They both attended Lutheran middle schools and have been commuting to the tiny Wildomar campus since they were freshmen. Both agree that last year’s team was better. For now.
“There was better team chemistry last year,” Riesenberg said. “This year, we’re getting better. Every game we learn something new about ourselves.”
Smith is averaging 16.8 points, 13 rebounds, 4.8 blocks and shooting 57 percent from the field. In a recent league victory over Anza Hamilton, Smith had his first career triple-double with 26 points, 18 rebounds and 10 blocked shots.
“He’s improved more than any other player on our entire team,” Riesenberg said, before giving his buddy a little ribbing. “He’s able to jump now. Last year he couldn’t even dunk. This year he can throw it down, drop-step and throw it down. He’s gotten bigger, stronger, faster; everything has improved.”
Last season, the C-Hawks lost in the CIF D-6 title game to La Canada Renaissance Academy, 67-45. Renaissance has been moved up in divisions, leaving an opening for Cal Lutheran to perhaps exceed the heights reached by last year’s team.
“I definitely think we can win the championship this year,” Riesenberg said. “Just because Renaissance is out and I don’t see any other team that is as good as them.”
Peter is a little more cautious, even questioning the legitimacy of the No. 1 ranking.
“Honestly, there are probably six teams that can win it all,” he said. “Whether it’s No. 1 or No. 6 or 8 or 9. Whoever can stay healthy and put a run together. Being No. 1 is a nice pat on the back. It’s just a number and doesn’t really matter.”


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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Stop Being a Bridesmaid in Blogging":

My comments have always been posted here. There were many instances where a comment was posted individually. When I go back and look at them, I sometimes think that the idea may have been a bit incoherent. I am glad that my comments are always unedited. I do not have the time to visit too many other blogs, only to have my posts be sent down the memory hole. This is not about anyone's soapbox. Ichabodians prefer this site because we are treated fairly here. The synodical muckety mucks are getting their comeuppance. If they would have engaged in honest doctrinal debate, they would not be in the pickle that they are in now.

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WELS Pastor Joel Lillo, Fox Valley has left a new comment on your post "Stop Being a Bridesmaid in Blogging":

You haven't published one of my comments for months. I feel you may be blocking them.

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GJ - Joel, you have been sending the same comment for five years. It has to have some originality.

Walther Myths Examined and Exposed

CFW and his brother kidnapped their niece and nephew
from their father's parsonage.

Walther founded the LCMS.

False. Loehe began the organization, inviting the Missouri group to join. Many of the best leaders were from Loehe, because they were not part of the Stephan cult. The Saxon group came over because of Stephan, not because of Walther.


Walther was an orthodox Lutheran.

False. Walther graduated from a rationalistic university and associated with two Pietistic circles. When the first leader moved away and died, the Walther group subordinated themselves to Martin Stephan as their cell group guru.


The Saxon group left for America to pursue religious freedom.

Ha! The rationalists were in charge of the state church, but Stephan's congregation had special permission to have cell group meetings. He was quite well known as a leader in various Christian efforts, hardly a martyr suffering in prison. Stephan took his group away when things got too hot for him - court trial and house arrest.

Rambach was a Halle University Pietist.

The Saxon group preserved Lutheran orthodoxy by coming to America.

False. Stephan was a Pietist, educated at Halle University (in part). He taught the Easter absolution of the whole world to Walther, who enforced it in Missouri, parroted by his hand-picked successor F. Pieper. This Easter absolution nonsense is the heart of UOJ.


Walther and the clergy did not know of Stephan's adultery.

False. They definitely knew, as acknowledged in Zion on the Mississippi. Stephan was constantly with young women alone, chiefly Louise Guenther. Stephan left his wife in Dresden to fend for herself and took Louise to America. Stephan was already attracting negative attention in St. Louis, so they bought overpriced Mormon land in Perrysville.


Walther and friends found out about Stephan's adultery through private confession.

This fable was refuted in Zion on the Mississippi many decades ago. The author reported that the clergy either knew or chose not to see the obvious. The big scandal was not adultery, but Stephan spreading his syphilis into the colony.


No one understands Stephan's strange behavior in America.

False. LCMS leaders know that Stephan had syphilis in Europe, infecting his wife and children. He went to spas with his mistress to treat his rash. His night walks were also because of discomfort with syphilis symptoms, and he took young women along. The last stage of syphilis attacks the brain and causes strange behavior and delusions.


Walther did not sign the statement making Stephan their bishop for life.

He signed it.


Stephan was given three choices during the Walther mob scene - they piously claim at the Perrysville shrine to Walther.

False. Walther's mob robbed the bishop, threatened his life, and forced him at gunpoint across the river to Illinois. Instead of confronting the bishop with his sin, Walther secretly stole back the land given to Stephan. Instead of following Galatians 6:1 and Matthew 18, the carefully selected group violated the law and the Scriptures.


Stephan's adultery was the fault of Mrs. Stephan.

Walther himself shopped this slander against the long-suffering wife of the bishop. She fended for herself. She took care of her dying children the best she could. She did everything she could to stop his adultery, even tossing one young woman out her house when Stephan set up a room for her. Stephan called himself the ruler of the house and brought the girl back.

PS

Anyone not addicted to Holy Mother Synod worship can see that the Synodical Conference began as a private sex cult. Abuse of the pastoral office was practiced by Stephan, and his dictatorial powers were taken over by Walther. Anyone who was not LCMS was a damnable heretic, even though Walther never caught on to Lutheran doctrine.

The Darwin Schauer case in the LCMS shows that the Synod President is still a pope, as Walther was. Likewise, WELS and the Little Sect on the Prairie are more interested in PR results than telling the truth about their crimes (murder, adultery, child abuse).



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From someone:


Found a G.C. Knapp in working through Heick's "A History of Christian Thought."  It occurs in Book Four, The Disintegration of Confessional Theology; chapter seven, German Rationalism; section head, The Theologians of Rationalism. The page reference is 128.

"Frequently all the theologians of this period  have been thought of being as one stripe.  This is not quite correct.  Two main schools of thought can be distinguished among them: the Supernaturalists and the Rationalists proper. The former exerted a kind of restraining influence in the earlier period of the Enlightenment; they marked the transition from Orthodoxy and pietism to rationalism...Relying on Kant's axiom that pure reason cannot establish religious truth,  second group of Supernaturalists emphasized that reason cannot deny the claims of Christianity. Among the proponents of this view were F.V. Reinhard at Wittemberg and Dresden (d. 1812) and G.C. Knapp at Halle (d. 1825). They labored to prove by rational means the possibility, necessity, and reality of the content of supernatural revelation. Truth was to be proved by Scripture. The idea was that Scripture, not reason, was to decide in matter of religion; but reason establishes what the teaching of Scripture is."


Lutherans Know How To Divide and Destroy Their Denominations, Too

Episcopal Presiding Bishop Schori and another bishop posed for a happy picture.


Most readers realize by now that Katie Schori, the presiding bishop of The Episcopal Church, has been doing a bang-up job of destroying her own denomination, using equity from the church headquarters to sue her own priests and bishops.

Finally! A bishop with a wife who will stay home and cook dinner.

Her titular boss, the Archbishop of Canterbury, has done the same for world-wide Anglicanism, by promoting the same apostate causes. In America, the the climactic issue was Bishop Robinson posing with his husband after being enthroned. The American Episcopalians showed a lot of spine, leaving their church body and their priceless buildings for the sake of doctrinal integrity. I always thought of Episcopalians as especially flexible in doctrine, but they were better grounded than their Lutheran counterparts.

ELCA followed this Robinson debacle by passing the 2009 vote to ordain homosexual clergy. That began the exodus known as the LCMC (pre-existing but very small until 2009) and the bishops' own group, the NALC.

"Urbe et...what's the rest? Never took Latin."


Pope John the Malefactor (ELS) did his best when a few clergy disagreed with him and WELS about the ministry. He kicked them out. Some congregations left on their own rather than kiss his papal ring.

Now WELS is on another toot about their precious UOJ. DP Jon-Boy Buchholz has led the way by artlessly dividing a congregation in New Mexico. That reminded me of the Cuban boy in America. The family was told, "We are negotiating with Cuba" while the SWAT team was descending, using drawn guns to capture the boy and drag him back to the island he risked his life to escape. Likewise, Jon-Boy told the gathered congregation they would all continue to study UOJ while preparing his defenestration of the pastor.

The WELS Coven of Popes said to Jon-Boy, "You don't get all the fun by yourself, thou artless divider of congregations and districts. We are going to examine the Intrepids as closely as Glende and Ski examined Katy Perry. Anathema sit! Anathema sit! Anathema sit!"

I hate to bring up Luther at a time like this, with Milwaukee and St. Louis reading the blog. I might as well discuss nuclear physics with bunny rabbits. But Luther understood this warfare quite well.

The dividers are doing God a big favor, but not in a way they realize. The apostates want the glory, the power, and the riches. By separating the conservative loyalists from Holy Mother Synod, the apostate leaders are making things worse for themselves while setting the faithful free.

Katie Schori is a fast-forward look at Lutherdom in 2017. ELCA and WELS are dividing fast.

The LCMS? Matt Harrison and his buddies will continue to lavish money on themselves while suppressing all dissent from their divisive policies. 



Tearing the Denomination Apart - A Global Trend.
VirtueOnline - News

I couldn't get a Katie Schori poster to download, so I picked another advocate to feature.


VirtueOnline - News:

African Anglican Archbishops Blast Church of England Decision over Gay Bishop Direction 
Can Archbishop-elect Welby stop the hemorrhaging and restore the Communion's Biblical heritage?

News Analysis

By David W. Virtue 
www.virtueonline.org 
January 14, 2013

The division between the liberal pan Anglican West and orthodox Anglican Global South leaders widened this past week with vigorous denunciations by archbishops lining up to denounce the Church of England's decision to allow celibate gay bishops.

There has not been such an eruption of anger and frustration since the openly gay Gene Robinson was consecrated Bishop of New Hampshire in 2003.

One by one, the mostly African archbishops have lined up to denounce and threaten the Church of England's decision to allow unverifiable celibate gay bishops to function in the church, even though the laity recently shot down the idea of women bishops in the Church of England.

If the idea of celibate gay bishops actually comes to fruition, it will threaten already wide divisions in the worldwide Anglican Communion and sabotage any possibility the newly anointed Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has of bringing the warring factions together.

Nigerian Archbishop Nicholas Okoh, leader of some 21 million Evangelical Anglicans and the largest province in the Communion, said such reforms "could very well shatter whatever hopes we had for healing and reconciliation within our beloved Communion.

"The decision to permit homosexual clergy in civil partnerships to now be considered for the episcopacy is one step removed from the moral precipice that we have already witnessed in The Episcopal Church (USA) and the Anglican Church of Canada," he noted.

Earlier, Ugandan Archbishop Stanley Ntagali and Archbishop Eliud Wabukala of Kenya, who is also head of the Gafcon group of traditionalist Anglican primates, issued a joint statement saying that the recent decision of the House of Bishops to allow clergy in civil partnerships to be eligible to become Bishops is really no different from allowing gay Bishops. "This decision violates our Biblical faith and agreements within the Anglican Communion."

Later in the week, nine Anglican Primates including archbishops Mouneer Anis of Egypt, Ian Ernest, Primate of the Indian Ocean, The Most Rev. Datuk Bolly Lapok, Primate of South East Asia, The Most Rev. Stephen Than Myint Oo, Primate of Myanmar Bishop of Yangon and The Most Rev. Hector "Tito" Zavala, Primate of the Southern Cone issued a statement deploring the actions of the Church of England.

"Sadly, both the decision to permit clergy to enter civil partnerships and this latest decision which some call it a 'local option,' are wrong and were taken without prior consultation or consensus with the rest of the Anglican Communion at a time when the Communion is still facing major challenges of disunity. 

"It is contrary to 'the inter-dependence' which we try to affirm between churches within the Communion.

"Moreover, it does not only widen the gap between the Church of England and Anglicans in the Global South, it also widens the gap between the Anglican Communion and our ecumenical partners. 

"Further, it jeopardizes the relationship between us Anglicans living in the Global South and followers of other faiths, and gives opportunities to exploit such departure of moral standards that this type of decision may provide. 

"The Church, more than any time before, needs to stand firm for the faith once received from Jesus Christ through the Apostles and not yield to the pressures of the society."

In other words, the Church needs to be "salt" and "light" and to present a distinctive message from that of the secular world around us.

This action by the Church of England will further deepen the divide created in the 77 million Anglican Communion which saw the Diocese of New Westminster in the Anglican Church of Canada bless same-sex couples in 2002 and later The Episcopal Church ordaining Gene Robinson as its first homogenital bishop in 2003.

African Anglican churches, which almost to a province are orthodox in faith and morals, and those churches in revisionist Western diocese that maintain biblical standards are in the vanguard of traditionalists opposing the change as contrary to Biblical teaching. Many are under direct threat from revisionist archbishops. Five dioceses have left The Episcopal Church unable to accept the changes they see as advancing a secular liberal agenda far removed from Scripture.

The Church of England has bowed "to the contemporary idols of secularism and moral expediency," the Nigerian Archbishop opined, and "is one step removed from the moral precipice we have already witnessed in The Episcopal Church (USA) and the Anglican Church in Canada."

"The supposed assurances of celibacy, while perhaps well intentioned, are both unworkable and unenforceable," he added.

CHALLENGE FACING WELBY

The reaction from African archbishops underscores the challenge awaiting the new Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby, who will officially take over as head of the Church of England and spiritual leader of the Communion in March.

The Global South will be watching to see which way the theological wind blows and how far he will bend to cater to what they see as a dying Western Anglicanism that might well be out of business in two decades unless they experience a spiritual revival.

Archbishop Rowan Williams failed, in his decade in office, to avoid a de facto schism between revisionists and traditionalists, mainly African evangelicals who with strong support from U.S. orthodox Episcopalians and Anglicans served notice that they would no longer tolerate the liberalizing trends of Church leaders in the United States, Canada and Britain.

For the last decade, the Anglican Communion has survived in a broken state. The formation of GAFCON/FCA - the Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans in 2008 is now being pushed hard in England. This latest move could well result in more division. As one senior cleric in the Church of England stated, "If the bishops lift the ban on blessings it will result in deep divisions of a kind that has not been seen in the Church of England for centuries. People are already close to setting up an alternative Church."

Since a quarter of Anglican bishops boycotted the 2008 Lambeth Conference and a third of the Primates boycotted in Dublin last year, the Communion has been in a state of suspended animation, with the Archbishop of Canterbury all but impotent to do anything about it

A new Archbishop of Canterbury in the person of Durham Bishop Justin Welby, an avowed evangelical, offers glimmers of hope to a flailing Anglican Communion, but the Global South will suspend judgment till they see which way the wind blows.

Even as the Anglican Communion drifts further apart, the admission of women bishops and the possibility of gay but celibate bishops in the Church of England will only further cement positions African Anglicans reject.

Ntagali said he was discouraged to see "that the Church of England, which once brought the Gospel of Jesus Christ to Uganda, has taken such a significant step away from that very Gospel that brought life, light and hope to us."

The question now is, can Archbishop-elect Welby pull an evangelical rabbit out of a moribund Church of England ecclesiastical hat? To use another analogy, will he preside as the emperor with no clothes, an Archbishop in name only, unable to stop what many view as the inevitable demise of the Anglican Communion as we know it?

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Stop Being a Bridesmaid in Blogging



I learned early that all my comments could be wiped out. I posted on Free Republic that George W. Bush had advanced the liberal agenda on many different fronts. The moderators booted me and erased every post I had written - very 1984.

Subsequently, the site admitted that Bush betrayed the conservatives many different ways. Therefore, I decided to stop wasting time composing comments that would be wiped out on a whim. I began blogging on my own.

Facebook comments disappear quickly, so why waste time debating with people who have no knowledge of Lutheran doctrine? They can easily erase comments they do not like and often expel people from discussion pages. 

The Intrepid Lutherans decided certain people could not even post comments. Paul McCain only allows people to flatter him for copying from The Catholic Encyclopedia.




At Steadfast Lutherans, Mr. Whipple and his pussycat refer to justification-by-faith Lutherans as "morons." Mr. Whipple got rid of the Darwin Schauer discussion by erasing the entire thread - and all the damning facts about the DP involved. I preserved the relevant facts here.

I am quite generous in letting comments through, especially when they express their opposing view with the worst grammar, spelling, logic, and research. 

Many people find their thoughtful, edifying comments featured as separate posts. "Only a few" people comment, claims the papal plagiarist. That is why Ichabod has 18,309 comments posted, averaging close to two for each post.

Almost 10,000 posts have been published.

I have seen a few people start blogging on their own. I am glad to see that, since the writing effort alone helps clarify issues. I learn by writing because I have to research each item. The apostates make sure I have everything substantiated - but they still howl, gibber, and rave.

Synod Pope Matt Harrison Really Cares About the Victims of Clergy Abuse?
Read About a Known, Convicted Sex Offender Given a Job by the DP

The LCMS gave Darwin Schauer a new opportunity for his crimes,
but Matt Harrison is silencing discussion.



Pr. Don Kirchner (Kirchner)
Senior Member
Username: Kirchner

Post Number: 3351
Registered: 11-2001
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Not a rant. The objection is implying that Synodical officials were making calls to stifle discussion on some websites.

We were told by a BJS editor that this in fact did take place. After the thread was removed there was a statement thereon about its removal that referenced the Office of the Synodical President.

Furthermore, I received a confirmation that "Matt asked Rossow to stop discussing the case on the site for now."

Moreover, President Harrison made a very negative comment about on-line conversations about the issue in his address to the MN North convention.

It became a circle-the-wagons situation, the Synod investigated its own and (surprise!) found that Synodical officials handled the whole situation quite appropriately. In the letter that they sent us, laying this out, they of course copied Synodical legal counsel with their findings and conclusions. So, we can ascertain what their underlying concern was, and it sure wasn't the victim, her family, or the congregation. 

Pr. Don Kirchner (Kirchner)
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Username: Kirchner

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"And what perhaps concerns me most is that from all indications, this is inconsistent from the Synodical administration's usual actions."

Really? How so? I'm more inclined to view things as Mr. Blecker stated them. There is nothing new under the sun. This is the way a bureaucracy typically works.

Example: During the Barry administration there was a push for the districts to pass specific disciplinary guidelines for cases of alleged sexual harassment or abuse. We questioned the need since there already are "guidelines" in place that the DPs are too (sic) follow in such cases. Furthermore, by passing them the pastor was agreeing to be generally hung out to dry in cases of mere allegation. The basic purpose of the proposed guidelines was to cover the Synod/District in case such a situation arose.

President Barry, present at the MN North Disrict Convention, was asked about the need. He couldn't be specific; he simply said they were necessary. And he passed the word through his surrogates that he wanted those new guidelines passed. It was clear to us that legal counsel was insisting on it.

They did not pass, and President Barry was not a happy camper, particularly with those of us who worked to get the proposal defeated.

So, my comment of what is the big deal is in response to a view that such Synodical action is out-of-the-ordinary. No, it is typical and not surprising at all.

When our situation all came down last year, my circuit counselor asked to have lunch with me. My sense of why he'd come was confirmed as he furiously took copious notes of everything I said in our conversation. When I brought up the fact that, the day we found out about the abuse and held a meeting with him and the DP, that the DP had mentioned Schauer's previous conviction and also stated that the circuit counselor also knew about it, which the CC affirmed. But, when I brought it up at lunch (Keep in mind that the Synod/District position had now changed to one in which they claimed that they thought the previous conviction had been expunged.), the CC's response? "I don't recall that comment." To a trial attorney, the response that "I don't recall that" or "I have no recollection of that" is a red flag that the person is lying. It's an awkward response; a truthful response typically is "I don't remember that" or "I don't know." I snapped back: "How do you think I found out that you knew about the previous conviction?" His reply: "Oh, right."

I patiently explained that I knew Synod's concern, that they were afraid of a lawsuit, but that Synod/District did not place Darwin Schauer in the situation whereby he could abuse the victim. Generally, it didn't happen at church in his capacity as a "lay minister." Bottom line- there was no legal basis for a lawsuit even if somebody wanted to bring one.

The circuit counselor's closing comment to me, after the pious devotion after lunch of course: "I'll tell them that there is no lawsuit." Again, I knew why he'd come. I kind of felt sorry for him. I bought him lunch.

Good men will rationalize their actions, Mr. Gehlhausen, with the view that they are protecting Christ's church.

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GJ - The entire discussion about Darwin Schauer was erased from the "Steadfast" Lutheran group-think blog. 

Needless to say, the entire site is devoted to UOJ, where Antinomians rule supreme.

Why Not Let the Synod Subsidize Professors' Salaries?



bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod - Synod Board...":

More on how Harrison wants CUS to assume its own debt, or somehow he wants the LCMS to pay it off via a special offering:

http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=25787&cpage=1

I thought that when the CUS (version 1.0) was originally introduced, the primary purpose was to provide a funding mechanism for capitalization of the schools and the system. I’d say that the synod “got taken to the cleaners” on that promise. Proper capitalization of the CUS and “living within its means” are way overdue.


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http://reporter.lcms.org/pages/rpage.asp?NavID=20511

In FY 2012, about 17 percent of all Synod's unrestricted resources were "granted" to CUS Inc. to pay the principal and interest due on this historic CUS debt. If it could be eliminated, several million dollars would be available to The LCMS Inc. each year to respond to the challenges in mission and ministry that our Lord places before us.



Cleansing the Temple is long overdue.