Friday, July 10, 2009

Worship Trends





Charles has left a new comment on your post "How Can I Question Paul Calvin Kelm":

Thanks for your insight.

I understand your point, and I'm sorry if I came across as disingenuous. I'm just trying to discern between two groups of Christians and I'm trying to ask the right questions.

On one side we have the liberal WELS and LCMS churches. The other side are churches in WELS and LCMS that identify themselves as "Confessional". I generally find that "Confessional" churches more often teach real spiritual meat, and have the strength of 2000 years of Christian tradition (hymns, liturgy, creeds) backing them. Clearly those churches are better than the Whoopee Worship tent meetings.

The disconcerting thing is that I hear a different brand of legalism coming from Confessional churches. There are many of that stripe who insist that the Western Rite is the only acceptable Order(s) of service; Many who insist (subtly) that the Worship Service is legitimized by a crucifix-processional and genuflection. One Pastor I know even says that the Book of Concord is essentially the Bible, because it is so congruous with it. That disturbs me.

This legalism is just as damaging to Sound Doctrine as it is for the liberals to be 'feeling' their way into ecstasy.

But I'm very stoked that you quoted Article VII. It's something that my pastor (at my LCMS confessional church) forgets. And it's not like I want some modern worship service or anything. The traditional service is as beautiful as it is rich. I just know it's not good to swear by one thing or the other.

Perhaps the liberals would be be more attuned to the confessionals if the confessionals could eradicate their own tendency towards legalism.

What do you make of the Conservative brand of legalism that I'm referring to? Do you find other Pastors in your circle tempted by this?
Thanks for your hard work

Charles

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GJ - I am well aware of the Pharisaical legalism available in the dark corners of the Lutheran Church. I learned that no one is more antinomian than a legalist. For example, the Sleepy Eye CLC (sic) church was aghast that I wore an alb, and the circuit pondered the scandal of Shrove Tuesday pancakes under the discerning eye of Steve Kurtzahn. However, they had no problem with adultery or incest.

I heard a former LCA pastor claim that the Book of Concord was infallible because it was a correct exposition of the inerrant Scriptures. He even tried out his new doctrinal insight on The Surrendered Fort faculty in Ft. Wayne. No one felt edified. Later he was against Creation, turned UCC, and who knows what followed that.

I attended an Augustana Synod congregation, upgraded to LCA, where no one would have considered a non-liturgical service or hiding the Lutheran name. The sermons were Biblical. Many people today would love to have a congregation nearby where Lutheran doctrine and worship are not under regular assault by synod-sponsored, foundation-funded experiments.

There is a historic liturgy with many variations, such as using a chorale service or substituting hymns for parts of the liturgy. The real dividing line is between a genuine worship service (original sermon, real hymns, a Creed, liturgy) and a Sneaker Service (pop music, plagiarized sermonettes, no creed, no liturgy).

I am suspicious of Lutheran pastors sinuflecting toward Rome or Constantinople. How strange that Missouri and ELCA pastors are debating the same issue at once, whether to pope or semi-pope. Some Lutheran pastors cast their longing eyes across the way, claiming to be Lutheran while coveting Bathsheba, who bathes so delightfully in full view: incense, really cool robes, chanting, and no women's ordination...ever. The trouble is, they have to murder Bathsheba's husband (the Means of Grace) to have her.

I appreciated the worship services at Concordia, Ft. Wayne and St. Louis, when I was there, but I wondered about how far they wanted to go. Certain faculty members have been teaching Patristic Fundamentalism, that Lutherans must do whatever the Syrians or Antiochians were doing in 300 AD. Many Lutherans have sensed that this papistic legalism is deadly and wrong.

In contrast, my worship professor, Ulrich Leupold, taught this way. "Do not say the worship must be chanted or cannot be chanted. If it hurts the pastor's throat or the congregation's ears, it should not be chanted." We had some proto-Romanists in the class, who loved robes a bit too much. They wanted the professor to back their new-found laws, but Leupold resisted.


How Can I Question Paul Calvin Kelm




Charles has left a new comment on your post "WELS Leaders Against the Efficacy of the Word":

Kelm:
"A last word on sound doctrine is in place. Sound doctrine must be distinguished from tradition, praxis and preference. The liturgy, translation of the Bible, vestments and organizational policies of the church are not equatable with sound doctrine."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," p. 3.


Jackson--Are you suggesting that sound doctrine demands a specific style (praxis, liturgy, organizational policy etc.) of worship and church? Are you saying that the above quote is wrong in and of itself, or only because you know what Kelm means by it?

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GJ - First of all, the title gives away the agenda - How To Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good To Mission Prospects. Calvinists make the Word of God appealing and reasonable.

Secondly, there is Kelm's well known Calvinistic bent, such as raving about Josh McDowell's Lord, Liar, Lunatic argument.

Lastly, there is the common WELS tactic of hiding behind adiaphora (implicit above) while getting it exactly wrong, and invoking the Mystical Incantation of Wauwatosa - the Gospel creates its own forms.

Here is a question, Charles - Can you find an unqualified Lutheran statement in anything written by Kelm?

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Charles has left a new comment on your post "How Can I Question Paul Calvin Kelm":

With all due respect to your call, education and age I must insist that there's no need to get defensive. I'm on your side. But you didn't answer reasonable and valid questions.

I don't like Kelm--I think he's a Liar and a Lunatic. But can I find an unqualified Lutheran statement in anything written by Kelm? Probably, yes; That is why he's so dangerous. Satan and friends always mix truth with lies, making it difficult to differentiate.

When you get down to details about things, (like worship practice etc.) being able to illuminate exactly how or where the heretic mixes truth and falsehood goes along way in exposing the heretic for who he is.

Now, by my lights the Kelm quote in question is not wrong, though the paper (I read it) as a whole is hideous. Sound doctrine is not equatable with tradition, praxis, preference, vestments, organizational policy, liturgy etc. The Western Rite is not prescribed in Scripture. People throughout the world may well worship God in a million different ways and still adhere to sound doctrine.
But I'm not an expert on Lutheranism, and you are an authority. I put my questions to you again:

Are you suggesting that sound doctrine demands a specific style (praxis, liturgy, organizational policy etc.) of worship and church? Are you saying that the above quote is wrong in and of itself, or only because WE know what Kelm means by it?

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GJ - The biggest problem is not Kelm but hundreds of clergy and thousands of laity letting him get away with it. One pastor, now deceased, said he heard Kelm at a WELS gathering through the PA system. He kept thinking, "They will murder him for all that false doctrine." The pastor got into the main auditorium and people were cheering what Kelm said.

For decades the only thought condemned as false doctrine was hinting that Holy Mother WELS might be wrong about something. The Shrinkers wrapped themselves in synodical infallibility and had a blast with it.

Obviously, Kelm delivered that particular thought as a Trojan Horse.

One of the tragic notions peddled in WELS is this: "That could be understood correctly," with could drawn out into three syllables. That one often alternates with "That is a gray area of Scripture," with gray drawn out with philosophical gravity.

Most statements in my favorite Roman Catholic dogmatics book are correct by themselves, but they are not correct in the context of Roman theology. So I see Kelm using the satis est* of the Augsburg Confession to make the world safe for Calvinism, which he adores.

Picking one statement and saying, "Isn't that correct?" is disingenuous, but I appreciate the chance to say a little more.

*Article VII: Of the Church.

1] Also they teach that one holy Church is to continue forever. The Church is the congregation of saints, in which the Gospel is rightly taught and the Sacraments are rightly administered.

2] And to the true unity of the Church it is enough [satis est] to agree concerning the doctrine of the Gospel and 3] the administration of the Sacraments. Nor is it necessary that human traditions, that is, rites or ceremonies, instituted by men, should be everywhere alike. 4] As Paul says: One faith, one Baptism, one God and Father of all, etc. Eph. 4:5-6.

Augsburg Confession

How The Liturgy Killed Pentecostalism in One Assemblies of God Minister




This quotation is from The Lutheran Witness:

"How I Come to Be a Lutheran: The liturgy had a lot to do with it," by Robert Shreckhise. ”Christ–centered, Gospel- centered, Word–cen-tered worship. These phrases sound familiar to people who've grown up in The Lutheran Church … But I didn't grow up Lutheran.

From my childhood, until only a few years ago, the only kind of worship services I had ever attended regularly were the fundamentalist and pentecostal kinds (emphasis added).

I had been a minister in the Assemblies of God for 16 years when my family and I came to St. Louis three years ago, so that I could pursue further studies in the Concordia Seminary graduate school. Our plan was to locate a congregation of our own denomination after we had settled into our new home.

As things turned out, though, our apartment was only half a block from a Lutheran congregation, Concordia, in Maplewood, Mo. So on our first Sunday in St. Louis, mainly for the sake of convenience, we attended services there. What a surprising, captivating and revolutionary experience it was for us!

My initial impressions of the Lutheran liturgy were that God's Word and the Gospel of Jesus Christ were honored and given primacy within the servics. The promise of the forgiveness of sins for Christ's sake came in many different forms.

Kneeling in confession, I heard the words, "Almighty God in his mercy has given his Son do die for you and for his sake forgives you all your sins.

We sang in the Kyrie, "Lord, have mercy," and in the Gloria, " O Lord God, Lamb of God, ¼ who takes away the sin of the world, have mercy upon us."

The sermon spoke of my sins and Christ's forgiveness. In the Apostle's Creed we confessed together our faith in the Triune God, who gives us salvation. Even though I was not yet confirmed, the Words of Institution [of the Holy Communion] and the words of distribution that I heard promised forgiveness "— shed for you for the remission of sins."

In the Agnus Dei, we sang again, "O Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world." The several hymns during the liturgy, the Pax and Benediction added to the overall impact of the liturgy, reaffirming that all who believe are forgiven for Christ's sake and have peace with God!

The forms of the liturgy of the Word and of the liturgy of the Lord's Supper, which are as old as the church itself, are alive and full of meaning! What our [Lutheran] forefathers held to be true may be considered by some to be unimportant today. However, as one who has recently come to appreciate the Lutheran liturgy with its richness of history, meaning and comforting hope, I am convinced that the Lutheran church is in possession of a great treasure.

God, in His mercy and grace, has brought my family and me to this richness. After … adult [catechetical instruction], we now call The Lutheran Church … our home." The Lutheran Witness, Dec. 1998.


Question from Pastor Jackson – Then why did President Al Barry and His assistant Paul McCain allow the LCMS to have 500 or more Pentecostal LCMS pastors? View the Renewal in Missouri website: Renewal in Missouri.


Against the Confessions?
Next Step - Against the Word of God



Easier to destroy than to put back together.


"The modern radical spirit which would sweep away the Formula of Concord as a Confession of the Church, will not, in the end, be curbed, until it has swept away the Augsburg Confession, and the ancient Confessions of the Church--yea, not until it has crossed the borders of Scripture itself, and swept out of the Word whatsoever is not in accord with its own critical mode of thinking.

The far-sighted rationalist theologian and Dresden court preacher, Ammon, grasped the logic of a mere spirit of progress, when he said: 'Experience teaches us that those who reject a Creed, will speedily reject the Scriptures themselves.'"
Theodore E. Schmauk and C. Theodore Benze, The Confessional Principle and the Confessions, as Embodying the Evangelical Confession of the Christian Church, Philadelphia: General Council Publication Board, 1911, p. 685.


WELS Leaders Against the Efficacy of the Word
Notice the Yes, But Argumentation



Count the buts below.
First something Lutheran is stated, followed by a but statement qualifying and undermining what might have been faithful to the Word. This is deliberately deceptive and manipulative.


FROM MEGATRON

WELS TEACHES AGAINST

THE EFFICACY OF THE WORD ALONE




A WELS pastor asked for proof that the Wisconsin Synod teaches against the efficacy of the Word. Below are a few examples. WELS closed down a mission and got rid of a minister who teaches the efficacy of the Word alone.


Olson’s False Doctrine IS a Barrier

"We cannot add anything to the Word, but we may be able to remove the human barriers which might be in the way of the Word."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "See How It Grows: Perspectives on Growth and the Church," EVANGELISM, February, 1991, Parish Consultant for the WELS Board of Parish Services and his district's Coordinator of Evangelism. p. 3.

Think What Fuller Seminary Could Have Done for Luther

"We can't do a thing to make his Word more effective. But surely we can detract from its effectiveness by careless errors and poor judgment. It just makes good sense to utilize all of our God-given talents, to scour the field for appropriate ideas, concepts, and material (sic), to implement programs, methods, and techniques so that we do not detract from the effectiveness of the gospel we proclaim. Church growth articles, books, seminars, and conferences can offer such ideas and programs."
Pastor James Huebner, Spiritual Renewal Consultant, Notebook, School of Outreach IV, Seventeen Ways to Keep Your Church from Growing, p. 178.

Kelm – Ashamed of the Gospel

"Don't let the world paint us into a corner of antiquarianism on subjects like a six-day creation or verbal inspiration."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," J-027,303 p. 13.


Kelm – Browbeat Them into the Kingdom

"Thesis Seven: Sound Apologetics Can Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good...Logic never converted anyone; but Christianity is logically defensible, once one makes reason ministerial to God and His Word...Read C.S. Lewis, Francis Schaeffer and Josh McDowell for practical apologetic tools. In fact, lend your copy to the prospect whose intelligence and education have become his curse. Once you've read Josh McDowell's 'Lord, Liar, or Lunatic' argument for the deity of Christ, you'll find yourself using it."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," p. 14.

Kelm – Sound Doctrine Has No Effect on What He Practices

"A last word on sound doctrine is in place. Sound doctrine must be distinguished from tradition, praxis and preference. The liturgy, translation of the Bible, vestments and organizational policies of the church are not equatable with sound doctrine."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," p. 3.

Kelm – Not the Word, But Felt Needs

"Non-Christians usually become good prospects for personal reasons or as I like to say: 'They come for sociological reasons and stay for theological reasons.'" [Note: this is the felt needs approach of Fuller, also endorsed by Pastor Forrest Bivens, now a professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary.]
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," J-438 p. 4.


Kelm – Think Big, Be Big…So Why Is WELS Shrinking with Such Big Thinkers?

"Small churches need not be small thinkers, but small-thinking churches will always remain small. Churches and people seldom go/grow beyond their expectations."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," See Waldo Werning and Robert Schuller for the same thought. Did the Apostles know this? p. 6.

Kelm – People Are Effective; the Word Is Not Efficacious

"Thesis One: Sound Doctrine Sounds Good When Good People Sound it. Normally, people respond to other people before they respond to doctrine."
Rev. Paul Kelm, "How to Make Sound Doctrine Sound Good to Mission Prospects," p. 7.


Larry Oh! WELS Staph Infection –

I Only Have ONE Degree from Fuller, and It Isn’t Much

"Please stop exaggerating the amount of study that I have done at Fuller. After four years of study at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, which involved sixty-two different courses and a year of vicarage, I graduated in 1983. From 1987 to 1989 I took four courses where I was in a classroom with a Fuller instructor. That is the extent of my Fuller coursework...In addition, I have taken two courses at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School and one at the University of Wisconsin--Madison. Because of Fuller's liberal (would you expect anything else?) policy on transfer of credit, and because of two independent studies I undertook, I could complete the degree by simply writing a dissertation."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "A Response to Gregory L. Jackson, Ph.D.," Christian News, 3-28-94, p. 23

Olson – Methods Are Effective

"While only the Word is efficacious, the methods we use to minister to people with that Word may vary in their effectiveness."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "See How It Grows: Perspectives on Growth and the Church," EVANGELISM, February, 1991, Parish Consultant for the WELS Board of Parish Services and his district's Coordinator of Evangelism. p. 2.

Olson – the Word Needs Human Wisdom to Work

"Contemporary social and behavioral sciences are a working out of the reason which God has given to humanity. Granted, the assumptions of some sociologists or anthropologists may be inconsistent with the Christian faith. That calls for discernment, but it does not invalidate the proper use of the social sciences by the church; it is, however, essential that they be used in a 'ministerial' manner."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "See How It Grows: Perspectives on Growth and the Church," EVANGELISM, February, 1991, Professor, Martin Luther College, (WELS), p. 3.

Olson – See How WELS Has Shriveled with MY Pietistic Ideas from Fuller

"It is appropriate to make use of educational research to improve the functioning of our small group Bible studies."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "See How It Grows: Perspectives on Growth and the Church," EVANGELISM, February, 1991, Parish Consultant for the WELS Board of Parish Services and his district's Coordinator of Evangelism. p. 3.

Wake Me Up When It’s Over

"Wouldn't it be terrible to sleep through the Second Reformation? Cell Group Churches. The New Lifestyle For New Wineskins. Cell Group Churches Are Really Different! A 'Cell Group' Church is built on the fact that all Christians are ministers, and that there is no 'professional clergy' hired to do the work of ministry. According to Ephesians 4, God has provided 'Gifted Men' to equip 'Believers Who Are Gifted' to do the work of ministry...The life of the church is in its Cells, not in a building. While it has weekly worship events, the focus of the church is in the home Cells."
Touch Outreach Ministries, P.O. Box 19888 Houston, TX 77079 1-800-735-5865 "Cell Groups For Reaching The Unchurched Are Called...SHARE GROUPS. Touch Outreach Ministries has spent many years experimenting with the best way to train Cell Group members to form 'Sub-Groups' called SHARE GROUPS which specifically target evangelizing the unchurched. SHARE GROUPS are 'pre-Bible study' Cells, which bond relationships between three Christians and six unbelievers. A series of three small books are used over a 27-week period of training. The first book, called 'BUILDING BRIDGES, OPENING HEARTS,' guides the SHARE GROUP Team through the first part of the strategy." Touch Outreach Ministries, P.O. Box 19888 Houston, TX 77079 1-800-735-5865 p. 7. [Promoted by WELS]

Cell Groups Make the Word Effective

"The point being made here is that the reason for having home Bible study in small groups seems to have shifted from the Pietists' or parachurch groups goal of creating cells of people who will reform the church to having small groups as an integral part of a congregation's work."
Prof. David Kuske, "Home Bible Study Groups in the 1990s," Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly, Spring, 1994. p. 127.

Olson - Methods Are Effective

"Faithfulness is the standard by which God judges those he calls into the public ministry. That faithfulness may or may not be 'effective' in terms of visible results; results are up to God, not us. But part of faithfulness ought to include striving to be as 'effective' as we can be in the methods that we use to take the Means of Grace to people."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "A Response to Gregory L. Jackson, Ph.D.," Christian News, 3-28-94, p. 23.

Olson Talks Down to Lutherans

"To believe, teach, and confess that truth is not inconsistent with being able to recognize that one approach to ministry may be more effective than another. It is more effective to hold worship services at 10:30 am on Sunday than at midnight on Tuesday; this is true, even though it is the same Gospel that is preached at either time." [another example, preaching in German to an American audience]
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "A Response to Gregory L. Jackson, Ph.D.," Christian News, 3-28-94, p. 23.

Olson Slimes the Doctrine with Reformed Garbage

"Paul says that people can, in some way, 'adorn the doctrine' (KJV). Does that mean adding anything to the Gospel, thereby making the Means of Grace more 'effective'? Of course not. But it does mean that a Christian, a Christian slave in the original context, can discredit the Gospel--and thus erect a human barrier--through actions and words that contradict the profession of faith."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "A Response to Gregory L. Jackson, Ph.D.," Christian News, 3-28-94, p. 23. Titus 2:9-10

Olson Blows Smoke in Our Eyes, But We Still See Fuller Diplomas

"You may reply that by 'Fuller-trained' you mean anyone who has attended a workshop presented by the Charles E. Fuller Institute of Evangelism and Church Growth, an agency which is independent of the Seminary. If that is the case, your attribution of 'Fuller-trained' is still simply not true. It would surprise me if even half of the two dozen people on your 'WELS/ELS Who's Who' list have attended a Fuller workshop; I personally know of only five who have."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "A Response to Gregory L. Jackson, Ph.D.," Christian News, 3-28-94, p. 23.

Olson – Adding Up the Fuller Boys

"To the best of my knowledge, only three WELS pastors have ever taken classes at Fuller Seminary: Reuel Schulz in the 1970s, and Robert Koester and I in the 1980s."
Lawrence Otto Olson, D. Min., Fuller Seminary, "A Response to Gregory L. Jackson, Ph.D.," Christian News, 3-28-94, p. 23. [What about being trained with Kelm and Huebener? Or Bivens and Valleskey? Or everyone in missions?]

Finding the Receptive: People in Transition, by WELS Pastor James Witt –

"The Bible illustrates the people-in-transition receptivity principle very well. Converts such as Naaman, a leper; Ruth, a widow; the woman at the well, a five-time divorcee; the thief on the cross, a convict near death; were all people who in a period of transition were receptive to hearing the Gospel. The Receptivity-Rating Scale shown at left...
Paul Kelm, editor, The Evangelism Handbook, WELS Evangelism Appendix III,


Valleskey Explains Why No One Is Receptive to WELS

"a receptivity rating scale (adapted by Win and Charles Arn in 'The Master's Plan for Making Disciples,' p. 91...."

Prof. David J. Valleskey, Class Notes, The Theology and Practice of Evangelism, PT 358A p. 58.


Peterson Leaves the Ministry on a Low Note

"In my opinion, therefore, Church Growth receptivity and 'soil testing' techniques are often unfairly criticized as if they were by definition synergistic. It is a fact that some fields are, for various historical and sociological reasons, more receptive to the preaching of the gospel and church planting than others. Our home and world mission boards make these judgments all the time in deciding where to begin churches or send missionaries."
Rev. Curtis Peterson, former WELS World Mission Board, "A Second and Third Look at Church Growth Principles," Metro South Pastors Conference Mishicot, Wisconsin, February 3, 1993 J-222 p. 12 Mark 4. [Peterson is now an avowed, publishing atheist.]

Kelm – How To Adulterate the Gospel with a Hook

"Evangelism upside-down is starting with the subjective issues of perceived reality and working back to God's objective truths of ultimate reality - sin and grace. It's offering the attendant blessings of salvation as the 'hook' to gain an audience for God's plan of salvation." [felt needs used to sell the Gospel]
Paul Kelm, The Evangelism Life Line (WELS), Fall, 1985 p. 4.

Luther – Remember Him from Church History Class?

"Likewise, in the matter of preaching, we must make selection that order may be preserved. But since all who are Christians have authority to preach, what will be the outcome? for women will also want to preach. No so. St. Paul forbids women to put themselves forward as preachers in a congregation of men and says: They should be subject to their husbands." [WELS has women in authority over men, contrary to the efficacious Word.]
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 375. Pentecost Tuesday 1 Timothy 2:11-12.


A Contrast – The Book of Concord and the Word of God

"And this call of God, which is made through the preaching of the Word, we should not regard as jugglery, but know that thereby God reveals His will, that in those whom He thus calls He will work through the Word, that they may be enlightened, converted, and saved. For the Word, whereby we are called, is a ministration of the Spirit, that gives the Spirit, or whereby the Spirit is given, 2 Corinthians 3:8, and a power of God unto salvation, Romans 1:16. And since the Holy Ghost wishes to be efficacious through the Word, and to strengthen and give power and ability, it is God's will that we should receive the Word, believe and obey it."
Formula of Concord, SD XI. #29. Election. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 1073. Tappert, p. 621. Heiser, p. 289. 2 Corinthians 3:8; Romans 1:16.


Did Aderman Preach for Ski?




Someone posted that James Aderman recently preached for Ski.

Aderman helped found Church and Chicanery, serving on its board.

Ski is a board member, so they must know each other.

So far, it is just a rumor, although the Google street camera did catch the interesting photo above.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Did Aderman Preach for Ski?":

What did CORE do if anything for this out-of-work person?

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GJ - Suffragen Bishop Katie is looking forward to another conference - on the Net. It must cost oodles of money because the sponsor can help people SAVE $100 in registering.

What did CORE do? Apparently they hired an out-of-work Chicanery to preach because Ski is so over-worked.



If you kiss enough frogs, says Aderman,
you can shrink your congregation to 50% of its size.
Of course, that takes time and a lot of work.


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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Did Aderman Preach for Ski?":

That man will starve before CORE gives him food.

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GJ - I am sure they would turn on the popcorn machine - if the right grants come through.