WELS Refugee Backs Up Recent Post

The Church and Change--Copy and Paste--Hydra must be fed fresh victims
and tons of money. Yes, money is their only means of grace.
The Hydra has many heads but no brains.
Cut off one head and another two or three grow in its place.


bruce-church (http://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Pietism Has a Different Agenda":

I re-read this post and compared it to my experience with the WELS, and after reflection I'd say the post is 100% right on target, and actually makes sense of what goes on better than the current wisdom about why the WELS and even LCMS are the way they are. For example:

1) conventional wisdom says that the reason the WELS and LCMS can invite heretics to speak, e.g., Catholics and Sem-Ex, but not people who are nearly the same in doctrine and heritage, is that the presence of those who differ in one or two points leads to divisions and argumentation, but everyone can accept and tolerate and learn from those who are waaay different. But in reality, the Ockham's Razor explanation is that it's all about shunning, except that word shunning can't be mentioned because Lutherans don't do that.

2) I commented a few times on how I bought all the books and booklets that NPH and CPH had to offer on certain doctrines, but they didn't answer my questions or refute the heretics very well, so I had to look up Books in Print and write apologetics ministries for other resources. Not long ago I admitted to using the internet to study certain doctrines--to see what other authors of different persuasions were saying about certain doctrines. The WELS and LCMS people with whom I was shared this were appalled that I would, heaven forbid, look on the internet to find doctrinal resources!

3) That quip at the Mequon sem about only needing a Triglotta, Lenski and boxer shorts is meant to be taken more seriously than it sounds, meaning they want you to keep your nose in certain books and out of others.

Anyway, I'm confident that soon the true history of the synodical conference will appear (maybe on the internet), and then we'll know where all these doctrines and practices and shunning came from that separate the synodical conference Lutherans from other Lutherans, and I'm sure that the WELS, ELS and LCMS won't like it one bit.

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GJ - They will shun you, Bruce. Oh, they already do.

Channeling Groeschel Is a Fox Valley WELS Tradition

Glende's face on Groeschel's material - that is the genius of WELS Fox Valley.
See his hilarious blog for unionism comments.

Here is the Groeschel-Ski sermon series on Religion Bytes. See the Tweet below:

http://open.lifechurch.tv/series/16

Week 1 Religion Never Works

Week 2 Avoiding People Problems

Week 3 Seems Right

Week 4 Slave or Son

Ski also copied Groeschel's online confession idea.

I could link Groeschel's online confession site, but the Omaha hoodwinker crosses the line into publishing porno.

If you hear the Groeschel motto on the graphic, you can be sure the speaker was babtized into Groeschel-worship.

From Ski:


From @GoToCore (Twitter)

Tonight we begin a new series "Religion Bytes - Religion Never Works". Intrigued? Join us at 5:30! #fb 3:01 PM Jun 6th via API.

More Tweets:

Join us for Week 3 of Religion Bytes "Seems Right" tonight at 5:30! Due to bike race u may need an alternate route - http://dld.bz/hCZG #fb 1:02 PM Jun 20th via API

Join us tonight at 5:30 as we wrap up our "Religion Bytes" series with Slave or Son. Hope to see you there! #fb 1:53 PM Jun 27th via API

WELS members and pastors - You are paying huge salaries to SP Schroeder and Deputy Doug. They continue to allow gross plagiarism of the worst false teacher around - except for the other false teachers these Church and Change yokels are copying.

You WELSians are paying to convert your synod into complete New Age Enthusiasm. You are paying the church officials, the pastors, the worthless CPs, the Fuller-trained professors.

Groeschel is their real leader, and Ski-Glende do not listen to him, either. Groeschel tells his robotic and missing-brain followers - "Use my stuff but tell where you got it." Do Glende and Ski tell where they got their material? Does Bethany in Appleton? Parlow?

Every service from these clowns is a lie, but so is everything else coming from the synods tolerating this garbage.

Bad grammar too - not that a WELS pastor would notice: "whom no one else is reaching."
Whom is the direct object of the verb reaching.
This Photoshop is so fakey, it reminds me of the Mission Impossible masks.

Church Mouse Wrote

No, this is his cousin, who read too many Emerging Church books and tried to get relevant.


Hello, Pr Jackson

Thank you SO much for today's post and very special mention -- wow!! That turned a routine afternoon into a most delightful one -- what a pleasant surprise!! Love the graphic -- brilliant!!

Is that your quote in your email signature about studying for an extra hour a day? That's a beauty.

NW Arkansas is quite a change from Phoenix. Hope all is going well.

I plan to make time very soon to watch one of the Bethany Lutheran Worship videos. I haven't been to a Lutheran church in 40 years, so I'm looking forward to a traditional service. (I went to an ALC church with a friend of mine once -- so, we're talking pre-ELCA days.)

Kindest regards
Churchmouse

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GJ - I do not know the source for the quotation, but this is the saying: "Study one hour extra per day for five years and the world will beat a path to your door."

I added Church Mouse to the list linked on the left. There is a new post about Rick Warren there. I am truly shocked that WELS congregations partner with him, too.

Timid was kicked off the list because I was tired of his spineless, unionistic messages.

Terminated

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Piepenbrink, Rev Leon E - Asian Ministry Coor - Saint Paul MN 08/13/2010

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No More MisterNiceGuy has left a new comment on your post "Terminated":

Wow .... One Eponymous Archon's comment ... there is nothing in that comment that would suggest a life motivated by Christ. How easily you can put others down. If you reread your own comments true Christian faith must compel you to repent for the vile things that you have said against a pastor who preaches the gospel of Christ. If this is the sort of thing Gregory Jackson is hoping for people to write he has succeeded. Unfortunately it cannot be said of him "well done!" Church and Change and how things are done in the Wisconsin Synod are certainly worthy of discussion, but to do so by mocking other is a flagrant disregard for the 8th commandment. In renders mute any criticism people might have of church and change. I'm asking that you not put me down for my comments, but that you change how you respond to comments posted here and how you post future topics for discussion.

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GJ - I love how the Pietists rise above the occasion with a torrent of anonymous abuse.

I had some reservations about posting the comment from One Eponymous Archon, but I figured it represented what some thought. Piepenbrink was fired, terminated. Linger on those words. There must have been a reason.

I recently heard about Prof Tiefel apologizing to the praesidium. No one told me why. I asked several times. Miracle do happen, even in this Brave New Age.

No More Mister Nice Guy - blogging is free. You can show us all how to do it, but put your name on the blog when you do.

ELDONA and Jeske Stranded?

maahes (http://maahes.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "ELDONA and Jeske Stranded?":

I love the wacky Skimobile picture worth a thousand words.

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GJ -

James Heiser and a few pastors started a new Lutheran sect called ELDONA, to oppose Kieschnick. They took their sweet time. The breaking point was promoted as Kieschnick allowing Benke to go unionistic at the 911 all-religion-group-grope. However, no one protested Barry-McCain being just as lax when Benke did the same previously.

Now that Kieschnick is gone, what is the burning mission of ELDONA?

Similarly, Jeske and Kieschnick were engaged in an ecclesiastic mating dance that held all of us captivated. Their mutual disdain for Lutheran doctrine and love of money made a future match almost certain. I even suspected their morganatic marriage would be announced as an accomplished fact.

The people who rejected Kieschnick and promoted Harrison are not likely to want Jeske representing the LCMS. I predict that Jeske will eventually leave all that behind and assume a Community Church posture, just as WELS theologian Swindoll did when he landed in Texas.

Thai One On - Regardless

Moral has left a new comment on your post "Thai Another One On":

Fait Accompli: I never fully understood this term in my political science class until now!

Phase one: kick out the WELS missionaries even though one missionary is still working in Thailand without synod funding.(complete)

Phase two: lay low (complete)

Phase three: annoint, er, appoint new committee and have said committee select/elect/call a new missionary from their own ranks, a real company-man (complete)

Phase four: gloat in a fait accompli (complete)

Phase five: dust off the 8 & 18 switch and let 'er rip (pending)

http://www.wels.net/news-events/celebrating-in-thailand

Pietism Has a Different Agenda

Recent WELS alumni meeting.
No wonder Prairie became a prison.
It reminds them of home.


People think they are arguing about different brands of Lutheranism when they compare synods. That is why "WELS and Other Lutherans" is the most popular post on this blog.

The various Lutheran groups are forms of Pietism. ELCA is radical Pietism - the legalism of Antinomianism. Anyone who opposes gay marriage and gay ordination should be kicked out. ELCA has already publicly branded them as unworthy of the name.

The key agenda item for Pietism is shunning, not doctrine. Shunning comes from the Mennonites, whose discipline means that a shunned person becomes invisible and cannot do anything with the elect. Nor will they even do business with him. Better to be a non-Mennonite than a shunned Mennonite.

Lutherans in America do not give a hoot about sound doctrine. If they did, their seminary faculties would be laughed off the stage at graduation. US Lutherans are devoted to the cult of shunning.

All the so-called fellowship rules among the conservatives are guidance for shunning. One family had questions about the dreadful Tiefel Christian Worship book. They were excommunicated for thought-crimes against the proposed hymnal. That is shunning at its best.

WELS and Missouri are just about the same in Pietistic doctrine, just as devoted to straying. Both must shun the other. Notice that WELS allowed the Leonard Sweet conference, Martin Marty lectures, and Archbishop Weakland gay lectures, but they banned the LCMS Hunter-Werning conference hosted by WELS Shrinkers. One could argue that Sweet is many times worse than Hunter or Werning, who are both copycats from Fuller, but marginal Lutherans. Even more could be said about publicly sponsoring the archfiend Weakland, who represented the worst in Romanism. But that is not the point. Missouri raises hackles that the others cannot.

The ELS and WELS shun each other, in spite of their pious statements otherwise.

Shunning--like voodoo--only works when someone takes it seriously. For instance, one WELS seminary professor made a big point of looking through me and avoiding eye contact. At my next opportunity, I went to him, shook his hand, and greeted him by name. He responded like a Hasidic rabbi touched by a Muslim (unclean! unclean!).

Here is a doctrinal debate in the synods:
Innocent - "This is false doctrine."
Synod Drone - "You are a bad person."
Innocent's Friend - "Innocent has some questions."
Synod Drone - "You are a bad person for listening to him."

Here Is a Church Mouse With a Message

Many thanks, Pr Jackson, for clarifying the source in your post and for the compliment!! I appreciate both greatly.

As to Rick Warren's church, ugh. Glad that you went and glad that you and your wife left shortly thereafter.

I think a lot of mainstream Protestants are as taken in by Rick Warren as Lutherans are. Seems to be a decline in attendance coupled with the promise of growth. Many say, 'What's wrong with Rick Warren? He has sensible ideas'.

I enjoyed reading your blog posts. If I lived near Phoenix, I would attend a service at your church.

Thank you again for your prompt response to my email.

May God continue to bless you in your ministry.

Yours sincerely
Churchmouse

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GJ - Here is my post, kelming his post.

This is his blog.

The latest WELS PR release thanks God and praises Him for decades of Hagedorn promoting the Church Growth Movement and its odious falsehoods. During that time--SP Schroeder forgot to mention--WELS declined rapidly. That must mean WELS thanks God for the Shrinkers shrinking the doctrine and the church. "Hagedorn also notes that the part-time nature of this call will allow him to complete some responsibilities for Home Missions and work with other outreach opportunities." So Hagedorn will still have his Fuller-stained fingers in the pie.

Church Mouse has already said more about Lutheran apostasy that WELS or the Little Sect or Missouri will ever admit.

New Hissy on Fake Blog Points To Glende As the Author

Glende and Ski were apparently not suffering from the crabs.


One thing is very clear - the Appleton fake blogger is extremely Glende/Ski sensitive. Anything that touches upon their joint travesty in Fox Valley or Glende's non-WELS upbringing in Columbus is countered with a new rant.

I enjoy provoking the fake blogger because his response is so obvious. Apparently the Skimobile, one of my best Photoshops, provoked this latest frenzy.

I have republished Bishop Katie's portrait of two hedonists enjoying their vast subsidies, free trips, and a feast of false doctrine.

Here is a question for WELS - why are the best critiques of Church Growth and Emerging Church coming from the Evangelicals? (And from me, of course.) Why do people go through an entire Lutheran educational system to learn how to "spoil the Egyptians" at Fuller Seminary? How many more millions will be spent before people say "HALT!"

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WELS church lady has left a new comment on your post "New Hissy on Fake Blog Points To Glende As the Aut...":

The Skimobile is so far down the slippery side of the slope. DP Englebrecht is not about to get out of his warm chair to pull some apostates out of the frigid snow. Notice how these older C&Cers wouldn't be caught dead in a pair of jeans!(yes, jeans are fine outside of official church business) Ski, Glende, Doebler, and pals are being used by their cunning superiors. Mark and avoid the old guys. These younger pastors need our prayers and our help. Let us take a look at what Ski is learning from Mark Driscoll.

Driscoll is teaching "Unlimited-Limited Atonement." (5ptsalt.com/.../mark-driscoll-his-unlimited-limited-atonement-doctrine/) Listen to this video. It's enough to give Brett Meyer and LP Cruz a nervous breakdown. One of the comments discusses Driscoll's endorsement of Mystic guru Richard Foster. You may recall that the Acts 29 churches are an extention of Mars Hill.(Groeschel/Driscoll) I recently discovered that Acts 29's roots trace back to the Leadership Network. Leadership Network promotes something called Murue(spelling?) Mystic Meditation. Leadnet is not centered in theology and is focused on structured organization, such as a business model. Our friend Ed Stetzer is part of Leadership Network and he implemented training schools during the start of the Acts 29 expansion.

I refer you to www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com and check out the May 5th 2010 posts. One interesting hit in my research brought me to Bailingwater blog. In October 2008, Bailingwater touched on the Leadership Network. Rogue Lutheran has alerted people to Leadnet and refered to the group as a cartel. Last, but not least, WELS Church And Change provides a link to Leadnet.(leadnet.org)

My apologies to Pastor GJ for getting off the subject of the Skimobile.

In Christ,
from WELS church lady

Widespread Plagiarism and Promotion of False Teachers in WELS

I hear from all over, so this is an amalgamation of reports.

Plagiarism of false teachers is widespread in WELS, more than most people imagine or hope.

If Kelm and Valleskey had their way, Lutherans would wave the white flag of surrender, join the new Evangelical Alliance, and apologize to the Reformed for mentioning the efficacy of the Word in the Means of Grace. Jeske, the dungeon-master, would join their prayer that the terms of reconciliation be merciful.

Even now WELS pastors are plotting to turn their congregations from the liturgy to whoopee-worship. The old adiaphora arguments are dusted off to renew efforts to fool the laity. Read the Formula of Concord, sheep. This is a time when the adiaphora (non-essentials) cannot be surrendered, the very moment when people should walk into a church and say - "This is a Lutheran service."

The system still rewards the false teachers. Look over the Church and Money Changer mugshots and you will find the guys who get the assistants, the grants, the vicars. They use their power to promote their favorite authors - Groeschel, Hybels, Warren, Sweet, Stetzer, Yancy, and Valleskey. Not one on their list is a Lutheran.

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Seminary Makes Historic Appointment for Dean

October 30, 2008

The Rev. Dr. Virginia Barfield has been appointed to serve as the next Dean and Vice President of Academic Affairs at Lutheran Theological Southern Seminary by its Board of Trustees. Barfield's appointment is historic, as she becomes the first female and the first non-Lutheran to serve as dean at the seminary. She is an ordained minister and member of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. Her term as Dean will begin with the 2009-2010 academic year.


Barfield currently serves as the Associate Dean and Associate Professor of New Testament and Baptist Studies. She will succeed Dr. Michael Root who will step down as Dean at the end of the academic year after serving since 2003. Root will continue to serve on the seminary's faculty as Professor of Systematic Theology.
The unanimous appointment of Barfield by the Board of Trustees came with full recommendation by the academic affairs committee and executive committee, as well as the seminary administration, faculty, and students.

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GJ - She's Babtist. She empowers women.