Sunday, June 5, 2011

Another Successful Vote To Leave ELCA,
While Leaving One or Both Feet in the Door.
Pietism Reigns Supreme




Sunday, June 5, 2011

Another Successful Vote

The following is the official statement of Shepherd of the Hills Lutheran Church of Richfield, WI.

On June 5, 2011, Shepherd of the Hills Lutheran Church, of Richfield WI, voted 158-3 to change its synodical affiliation from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), to the Augustana District (AD) of Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ (LCMC).

We look forward to working with LCMC, an association of congregations which share our primary commitment to reaching others for Christ. Through the Augustana District, we will be working with congregations which share our strong commitment to classic Lutheran theology and practice.

We want to express our gratitude for our many years of partnership with the ELCA, and will continue to work with them in a variety of ministries.

In many ways we are happy that our congregation remained unified throughout the discernment process that led to the vote to leave the ELCA and join the LCMC.  We are also saddened that so many are still at risk of the errant teachings that are overtaking the church that many of can thank for helping lead us to Christ.  I pray that one day, those leading the ELCA will turn away from the world and look to our Lord for guidance.  In the meantime, I for one, will continue to have them in my prayers, especially my brothers and sisters in Christ that remain within this wayward church.

Jim Becker Responds To California

The Sausage Factory Class of 1970 was packed full of Shrinkers, 
marked in yellow, who are now WELS leaders. 
Gaze upon them and weep.


norcal763 has left a new comment on your post "About Joe and Lisa Krohn Being Kicked Out by WELS ...":

Dear California:
Thank you for your sacrifice all those years ago. I, too, left WELS recently, but I took the "admonish, mark, and avoid route." My beef was with the Synod, and I didn't want my Pastor or congregation caught in the middle, so they didn't have an opportunity to excommunicate me. I was spared the stress of Joe Krohn and yourself.

I've learned that when you choose the hill you want to die on, very few people will bury you with honors, even when they agree with you. I do it for me. And people don't generally change. Think how hard it is to keep a New Year's Resolution, some of which involve changes that could save your life (smoking, etc.),and how easily they are broken. And you WANT to change. It's easy to see how much harder it is to change those who have a vested interest in keeping the status quo.

I wrote a letter to the congregation saying we were marking and avoiding the Synod, but had nothing against THEM, and I sent a more detailed report to those who had, in the past, been sympathetic to my grievances. One was ongoing involvement with Thrivent, and I understand that was actually brought up and discussed at a board meeting. I was amazed, but nobody followed me out and it's back to business as usual.

Alot of people miss us, and the Pastor's family even invited us to their son's graduation reception at the church, and we went. His wife and daughter stop by our home occasionally when they are out for walks. We still do things with a couple who we were good friends with, and they keep "putting the heat on" for us to come back.

So it's amicable, but we miss our church family. Because communion in WELS is a confession of doctrinal unity, I can't "commune" with the likes of 'Ski' and Glende because they are false teachers. And even if we just went back from time to time without communing, I won't worship from the feminist hymnal because I consider it blasphemous that they changed the Creed. Anyway, that's my story, for what it's worth.

Conform and the world conforms with you; stand and you stand alone.
Jim Becker

DP Rutschow is one of the Gang of Four, also Class of 1970.
The supernatural glow is Enthusiasm.

WELS Is Probably the Most Anti-BOC
Of the Syn Conference Sects, So This Can Help


We live in a highly educated society that is not educated at all about the truths of Scripture.  In America, people are leaving Christianity in alarming numbers.  They are leaving because they think Christianity is not true.  Because their disagreement with Christianity is factual, entertainments will not bring them back.
The only thing that will bring them back is a vigorous and thorough presentation of the truth of the word of God.  Only God’s Word can change the human heart.

However, there are many false religions masquerading as Christianity, and they discredit true Christianity by hiding the truth of the Word of God.  For example, “decision theology” is one reason atheists think Christianity is false:  Every thinking person knows that we can choose our opinions, but not our facts.  Rational people choose their opinions, but rational people do not choose what they think is factually true.  They must be convinced of the facts by evidence and testimony.

Even though Christianity is a historical (fact based) religion, “decision theology” says: “Make a decision for Jesus.”  Choose to believe he was God incarnate and born of a virgin.  Choose to believe he was crucified and rose from the dead.  Choose to believe Christ is trustworthy, and choose to trust Christ, and choose the right factual beliefs, and God will reward you with eternal life.  Atheists rightly ridicule this as a religion of emotion and make-believe.
Will we win those atheists with a better praise band?  Will we win those who pick and choose their church based on their emotions by appealing to their fickle emotions?  Or will the Holy Spirit win them with sound arguments based on the word of God?
The Book of Concord can help us begin to understand how the true Christian faith is different from these make-believe religions that are posing as true Christianity.  This book can help us begin to make a solid defense of our faith, and start using the word of God with skill.

Baptism is the beginning of faith and the Christian life.  Later on, examination and Confirmation will mark the beginning of a Christian’s intellectual defense of that faith.  Confirmation marks merely the passage from Christian childhood to Christian adulthood.  It is not the end, but merely one’s first step into the fray, into the real battle for the truth.

Therefore, if there are any WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod) congregations in the Northern Wisconsin District that do not already give copies of the Book of Concord to their confirmands; please have your pastor leave a comment here or contact me directly, and I will try to provide each confirmand with their own Book of Concord.  Free books will be distributed on a first-come first-served basis, and supplies are limited.

The purpose of this offer is not only to help provide our Christian soldiers with the tools they will need in the coming battle, but also to plant the idea that we need: the entire Wisconsin Synod needs to return to our Confessions so that we can make a better defense of our faith, both in doctrine and practice.  God has graciously given us his effective word in the Scriptures, and our Confessions can help us to interpret and wield his word with skill.

The Small Catechism summarizes the basic truths of God’s word, and is milk for children.  When we become mature in the faith (after Confirmation), it is time to start eating solid food.
Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.  But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.  [Hebrews 5:13-14].
“For what I received I passed on to you …”  (1 Corinthians 15:3).
Notes:  Previous versions of this article were first published in 2009 & 2010.

7 Responses

  1. on March 31, 2011 at 11:26 am Pastor Karl Schultz
    Hello from Trinity-Kaukauna,
    We’d like to take you up on your offer for copies of the Book of Concord for our confirmands. We have 19 being confirmed. If you need more information or questions, please let me know. Thank you for your generous offer
    Karl Schultz, pastor
    Trinity Lutheran Church
    804 Grignon St
    Kaukauna, WI 54130
    Ph 766-3929

  2. Thanks again for doing this!
    I wish I was in the District to take advantage of your offer. Alas, I have to wait for CPH’s sweet deals (I think I got ‘em for $20 a piece this time and ordered enough to stay ahead for a couple of years).
    I hope others follow your lead and do this for their congregations, circuits, Districts, etc.
    Grace and peace,
    Pr. Benjamin Tomczak
    St. Mark Lutheran Church, Duncanville, TX

  3. on March 31, 2011 at 10:25 pm Pastor Joel Otto
    Rick,
    Thank you again for your concern that the youth of the Church are equipped with the true teachings of the Church. I would love to take you up on your offer again this year. If you have enough copies, we have 8 confirmands this year. The Lord bless you in your Lenten meditation of our Savior’s sufferings and death for us.
    In Christ,
    Pastor Joel D. Otto
    Trinity Lutheran Church
    8781 Brunswick Road
    Minocqua, WI 54548

  4. Rick,
    I considered taking you up on this offer last year, but instead, you may have been the inspiration that led me to teach my confirmation class this year based on the Augsburg Confession. Our other pastor teaches the 6-7th graders through the Catechism, then I teach the 8th graders through the Augustana. Nearly finished with the first year of this, and so far, so good.
    To mark their completion of the year, I’d love to present them with a Book of Concord, but I’m pretty sure our budget wouldn’t allow it at this point (although I’m hoping to include it in the future). If you can provide 11 copies, we’d be very appreciative. If your copies are already claimed, I certainly understand. Either way, I thank you for your generous offer, and join in the prayer that this spreads. May God grant you a blessed Lenten meditation and Easter celebration!
    Pastor Rik Krahn
    Martin Luther Church
    436 S Lake St.
    Neenah, WI 54956

  5. on April 6, 2011 at 4:38 pm St. Mark Lutheran Church
    Pr. Krahn ~
    Do you have a “curriculum” you used as you taught through the Augustana (i.e., worksheets or study guides), or did you just read and talk your way through it?
    Did you use the Apology as homework reading?
    I’d be curious, if you can share, at seeing how you worked this out.
    Grace and peace,
    Ben
    Pr. Benjamin Tomczak
    St. Mark Lutheran Church
    Duncanville, TX
    PS
    If it’s easier, you can just email me at catokafka@yahoo.com

  6. There are a couple of good, free resources online that can help introduce the Book of Concord to confirmands and their parents. Both can be downloaded in a ready-to-print format.
    One is an FAQ put together by Paul McCain, available at http://www.bookofconcord.org/faq.php.
    Another is “Dare to Read,” an overview and guide prepared by an LCMS adult convert after she discovered the treasures of the Lutheran Confessions. It is at http://www.justanote.com/p/dare-to-read-again.html.

About Joe and Lisa Krohn Being Kicked Out by WELS Pastor Kudu Don Patterson



California wrote:

Recent posts and comments re:  a termination of a member of a WELS congregation sending a general letter to all members of the congregation telling the "who, what, when, where, and why" of the situation were posted.  Commending the terminated for doing that, one responder suggested that such a letter would prick the consciences of lay recipients.

Perhaps.

But I suspect the terminated letter sender, may have similar experience of
this writer who was terminated along with a few others from a WELS congregation in 1977, for objecting and resisting the beginnings of what has come to fruition since.  I too, sent such a letter to all members of the small congregation, so that at least each would know what the issues were, and where we stood re: them, and so no one could say they didn't know or didn't know  issues existed. Exactly one responding phone call was received from someone who expressed regret that she wouldn't be seeing us in church any more.

An elder who told me the night before the matter of our termination was to be addressed at a voters' meeting,   "You are right, but I have to have a church".   His signature was among the unanimous decision to terminate our membership.   Perhaps the recently terminated's letter will generate more response from congregation members who may be awakened by it, but no one should be surprised or discouraged if it doesn't.  That has been the problem for at least nearly half a century.

I think some to whom the disillusionment with WELS may be fairly recent, should know that they are not the first, and the pattern seems not to have changed since the first laymen of whom I am aware were terminated.  i.e. the "Milwaukee Nine", laypeople who publicly objected to the Wisconsin Lutheran High School's taking  government grants.  That was also in the 70;s.  Even with headlines in the Milwaukee newspapers about the matter, there was no general rush to support the terminated laypeople, and certainly minuscule or no discernible exiting from WELS about it then or since.

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Exaudi, The Sunday after the Ascension, 2011




Exaudi, The Sunday after the Ascension, 2011


Pastor Gregory L. Jackson

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bethany-lutheran-worship

Bethany Lutheran Church, 10 AM Central Time


The Hymn # 9 O Day of Rest 1:89
The Confession of Sins
The Absolution
The Introit p. 16
The Gloria Patri
The Kyrie p. 17
The Gloria in Excelsis
The Salutation and Collect p. 19
The Epistle and Gradual
The Gospel
Glory be to Thee, O Lord!
Praise be to Thee, O Christ!
The Nicene Creed p. 22
The Sermon Hymn #237 All Glory Be 1:12
Stewards of the Manifold Grace of God
The Communion Hymn # 341 Crown Him 1:70
The Preface p. 24
The Sanctus p. 26
The Lord's Prayer p. 27
The Words of Institution
The Agnus Dei p. 28
The Nunc Dimittis p. 29
The Benediction p. 31
The Hymn #261 Lord Keep Us Steadfast 1:93

KJV 1 Peter 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging. 10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. 4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Prayer
Lord God, heavenly Father, we give thanks unto Thee, that through Thy Holy Spirit Thou hast appointed us to bear witness of Thy dear Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: We beseech Thee, inasmuch as the world cannot endure such testimony, and persecutes us in every way, grant us courage and comfort, that we may not be offended because of the cross, but continue steadfastly in Thy testimony, and be found always among those who know Thee and Thy Son, until we obtain eternal salvation through the same, Thy Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with Thee and the Holy Gaost, one true God, world without end. Amen.

Stewards of the Manifold Grace of God
1 Peter: 4 10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

There are only two classes of Christian leaders.

The Lords of the Church
The majority think of themselves as lords, with special privileges and powers, with claims because of birthright. They often make their claims based on the seminaries they attended, although no one thinks much of that particular school outside of the denomination. The lords take care of each other, marry into each other’s families for dynastic reasons, and protect each other when inevitable scandals erupt.

The English system of “a jury of his peers” arose so that a lord did not have to sit in front of a jury of peasants he had abused. His jury could only be made up of lords. Similarly, when a lord of the church is in trouble, he is judged only by other lords, who never find anything wrong.

In the LCA, when a bishop (district president) had a legendary break-down and did not even show up for work, he was given one of the largest congregations in the country to manage, so his staff could do his work for him.

These lords love false doctrine, which devolves into salvation by works and various heresies of the day. Salvation by works is handy for raising money. Heresies are good ways to confuse and bewilder the laity while identifying the wrong type of clergy, the ones who must be punished. No, not the heretics – but the ones who see through the heresy of the day.

The Stewards of the Manifold Grace
The second group is much smaller, because they take seriously their ordination vows. They are not lords, but stewards.

A steward is the old English word for manager. Sometimes a steward was placed on the throne until the king came of age. The steward was never considered the king, and he knew his role was to preserve the kingdom for the actual king.

Steward is used in the New Testament for the manager (steward) of the estate. He has a lot of authority, but that is used only to benefit the owner or lord of the estate. A faithful steward is someone who does his work so that the resources of the estate are preserved and protected, even expanded.

Ordination vows and countless passages in the Bible show that the only possible role for a pastor is that of steward. For that reason, the others are identified as wolves, hired hands, and tyrants.

Tyranny in religion is easy to adopt and protect. Almost everyone subscribes to a form of religion, so those who claim to be leaders can attract followers who will obey almost anything. Now we think it is absurd that anyone allowed human sacrifice as part of religion, but we have supposedly Christian leaders praying for the same, in the name of “abortion rights” and “women’s rights.” They spend vast amounts of offering money to lobby politicians to keep genocidal laws on the books. Nothing is really more tyrannical than an ongoing war against unborn babies, not to mention the damage caused to parents and all of society through this genocide.

Steward of the Manifold Grace of God
The manifold grace of God is another way of saying the Gospel. The word Gospel is used often, but most of the time the term is abused.

Although the Holy Spirit works through the Law, its role is limited. The Law stirs up knowledge of sin without solving the problem of sin. The Law makes us feel the guilt of sin but the Law cannot forgive our sins. All the “transforming” preachers of today use the Law to make people feel they do are not producing the fruit of the Gospel, but those law condemnations do not produce the desired fruit. The law programs to do that only make matters worse, filling people with notions of being holier than the rest.
This is important to realize from Luther. The Gospel alone forgives, saves, and bears the fruit of the Spirit. Some people distort that thought to embrace Antinomianism. Agricola, a brilliant man who wrote part of the Small Catechism, fell into that spirit time after time. The anti-law people are still with us, within the fold, where they can tear the flock and murder the sheep.

“The Gospel shows the Father’s grace…” When we speak of the Gospel, it is nothing but grace, love, mercy, and forgiveness. I realize people want to get the Law in there, and I mentioned that already. But the Gospel passages of the Bible, from Gen 3:15 on, are nothing but promise, forgiveness, and mercy.

The Law makes us fearful, but the Gospel gives us peace through forgiveness of sin. That forgiveness is complete and free. That is why the law-salesmen become so angry and vindictive, when their kingdom of merits is threatened in any way. They want people enslaved by their man-made laws, not set free by the Gospel. They want people to ignore the Word for their words (which are never-ending).

The stewards of God’s manifold grace must make sure that everyone knows the difference between Law and Gospel, discerning false doctrine, condemning it as a tool of Satan.

No one would bother with my little blogs if I simply stuck to quoting Luther, talking about the Gospel, and wishing we were back in the good old days. But – when their false doctrine is identified and the flocks are warned, they become enraged. They want to feast on mutton at their leisure, wear the finest wool, and do as little work as possible.

The old style of pastoral work was preach, teach, and visit. Pastoral visitations were constant, first to the shut-ins and hospitalized, second to prospective members, and never neglecting the spiritually inert. In one parish I was warned not to visit one family, because “they would never come back.” They came back were leaders in the congregation again. In another situation I worked five years to get a husband to attend, which was grief for his wife (his non-attendance). I worked with their new pastor when they moved, and the husband began attending every Sunday.

The Gospel in action is a mouth church – preaching, teaching, visiting. The opposite is planning, organizing, and being busy for the sake of bragging about “programs.” At the bottom of this decline is organizing baseball to get prospects to join. The Mormons, in days past, did the same with Boy Scouts. Those efforts say, “The church is everything except the Word of God.” No wonder the spiritually starved look for religious sustenance and often end up with cults that tell them how the Law will save them.

I used to wonder how Pentecostal churches filled up during the week. It was simple. They were ordered to attend. They were ordered to pay a lot of money for their notebooks for that day. They were ordered to bring their children, who were sequestered in another part of the building. One Pentecostal minister ordered his members to come up with $35,000 for new carpeting over the next week – and that was when 35k was a lot of money.
The Gospel in a Few Steps
The Gospel is simple to understand but easy to lose in the chaos of heresies and paganism around us. I kelmed myself below:

God's will is carried out only through His Word, and this Word is always united with the divine energy of His Holy Spirit. Isaiah 55:8-11.

The efficacious Word of God created the universe in six days and converts the blind, hardened unbeliever into a new creation. This same Word continues to work in the believer, to encourage godly contrition and sustain his faith in Christ.

The Holy Spirit works through the Law to condemn our sins against the Ten Commandments, our spiritual sins (First Table) against God, which lead to the more visible sins against our neighbor (Second Table).

God uses the preaching and teaching of the Gospel to plant and sustain faith in the crushed hearts of contrite sinners. The Gospel message is summarized:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." KJV John 3:16.

The proclamation of the Gospel is carried out through the invisible Word of preaching and teaching, the visible Word of Holy Baptism and Holy Communion. God grants grace only through His instruments, the Means of Grace.

Those who believe in the Gospel of Christ receive what He has promised, complete and free forgiveness of sin. God declares that person forgiven - justification by faith. Romans 5:1-2.

The fruits of the Spirit follow from faith in Christ, and God is glorified by all things done in faith. Those who wish to harvest more for the Kingdom should broadcast the Word with complete abandon, trusting in God's Promises.

The Gospel in Our Lives
To enjoy the benefits of the Gospel, we abide in the Means of Grace, the Word and Sacraments. They are the treasures of the Church which give us 100% of the blessings God wishes to impart to us.

Abiding in the Gospel also means dwelling on the Word throughout the week, in study, meditation, prayer, and edifying music. A Gospel hymn is a proclamation of God’s grace, just as a Biblical text is. The difference is that a Gospel hymn is a confession of faith, an expression of thanks, while the Biblical text is God’s own revelation.

The Confessions are also important, especially in this anti-Creed age. The Confessions guide us back to the truth of the Word and away from popular, attractive falsehoods.

Hearing the Gospel also means living the Gospel, being patient and forgiving toward the faults in others. That does not include false doctrine, of course. But most of our irritations in life are from rather small things, where a dose of patience and forgiveness will accomplish far more than the law can ever do.

Two grandchildren were fussing over a toy yesterday. I said to Alexander (age 5), “Don’t lose your temper.”

He said, “I don’t have a tempa.” There was a pause.

“I have a little tempa.”

That self-knowledge did not come from a child’s heart, but from patient instruction. In that way, parents are stewards of God’s manifold grace in the most important school their children will ever attend – the home.

Quotations

"We have the comfort of this victory of Christ—that He maintains His Church against the wrath and power of the devil; but in the meantime we must endure such stabs and cruel wounds from the devil as are necessarily painful to our flesh and blood. The hardest part is that we must see and suffer all these things from those who call themselves the people of God and the Christian Church. We must learn to accept these things calmly, for neither Christ nor the saints have fared better."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 263. Exaudi John 15:26-16:4.

"From these two convictions—that they do not know Him and that they persecute and slay His advocates—Christ now passes the judgment that the so-called Church is not the Church. He then concludes that with their false doctrines and persecutions they are both liars and murderers of God and of Christ and of all His saints."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 270. Exaudi John 15:26-16:4.

"It is not the devil's aim to plague us physically; he is a spirit who is always thirsting for the tears and the drops of blood that come from our hearts. He wants us to despair and to perish from sadness. This would be his joy and delight. But he will not succeed."
What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, III, p. 1244. John 15:19.

"Nevertheless, He has said that the Holy Spirit should testify of him and that they also should bear witness; and He assures them that their testimony shall not be effaced by this rage and persecution of the world."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 258. Exaudi John 15:26-16:4.

Saturday, June 4, 2011

Adolph Hoenecke - On the Word and Holy Spirit


"Aus dem allen folgt die Verwerflichkeit des schwarmgeistlichen Grundsatzes, dass der Geist wirke ohne die Schrift. Geist nicht ohne Schrift, Schrift nicht ohne Geist, das is gesunde Lehre.

From this follows the repudiation of Pentecostal principles, that the Spirit works without the Scriptures. Spirit not without the Word, the Word not without the Spirit - that is sound doctrine.)"
Adolf Hoenecke, Evangelische-Lutherische Dogmatik, 4 vols., ed., Walter and Otto Hoenecke, Milwaukee: Northwestern Publishing House, 1912, IV, p. 17.

WELS at War Against Its Most Honored--
And Forgotten--Theologian, Hoenecke


"Those who defend a false union assert that while practicing unionistic fellowship one can still cling firmly to the true confession, that unionism is not then synonymous with indifferentism. This is an illusion, even as experience has sufficiently shown that a false union opens the doors wide to indifferentism. And how could it be otherwise?"
Adolf Hoenecke, Dogmatik III, p. 441f.
Carl Lawrenz, Chairman, Commission on Doctrinal Matters, Fellowship Then and Now, Concerning the Impasse in the Intersynodical Discussions on Church Fellowship, p. 31.

Gorillas in Our Midst.
"They Scream and Pound Their Chests
When They Are Most Afraid."
Claude Shoulders, Wild Animal Trainer




 bored has left a new comment on your post "Do Not Discuss This in Cyberspace -Because Only Ku...":

Good for you Joe.

I mean, in such circumstances nothing can be taken with abject joy, but it was good for to give the members of the congregation something to think about. After all, they, by remaining in the church are party to the unscrupulous behavior by the Pastor, and their consciences should be afflicted by the truth. Likely Pastor Patterson will lie and obfuscate to make himself look like the Saint, but by giving the other congregants access to the full story, you will have sharpened their wits and increased their ability to discern. Good job.


Scott E. Jungen has left a new comment on your post "Patterson and Glende Became Facebook Friends in Ma...":

Grumpy,
Thank you for your concern. I just got a new job this last week. I will be making piston rings. One of the reasons I post here and use my name is because my teaching days are done. To be blunt, the last thing I want right now is a call. I will be missing my 35th MLS reunion because of this new job. So they still invite me, even though they know me!
There have been no attempts so far to "Krohn" me (a new "Icha-word"?). My new pastor does know I am an Intrepid Lutheran, but that's about it. So far, no "left foot of fellowship".

Scott E. Jungen



LutherRocks has left a new comment on your post "Patterson and Glende Became Facebook Friends in Ma...":

Scott...you really need to get your nose in the Icha-slang Lexicon...It is left 'boot' of fellowship. BTW...it didn't even hurt...I knew it was coming and made sure I had the Word of God in between me and the boot...kind of like when I was a kid and there was a spanking coming...I'd stick a little extra padding in one of my back pockets and make sure I turned my cheek in the direction of the spanking :O Hope the new job works out well for you!!

Scott E. Jungen has left a new comment on your post "Patterson and Glende Became Facebook Friends in Ma...":

Joe,
Mea culpa. You're right, I do need to brush-up on my Icha-slang! Thank you for the encouragement, it is nice to be employed full-time again.

Scott E. Jungen

Appleton's Premier Groeschel Plagiarist Apes
Pope Paul the Unlearned.
Lazy Man's Gospel


A Taste of His Own Medicine- From Tim the Anonymous Bully

Rev. Paul McCain of Concordia Publishing House in St. Louis has written some scathing remarks about Dr. Gregory L. Jackson, PhD on Luther Quest, a discussion forum of mostly LCMS pastors. McCain has referred to Jackson as a cult leader, who celebrates Communion through his Internet worship services by having his listeners partake of bread and wine after he has said the Words of Institution online. With McCain's comments, Jackson is getting a taste of his own medicine.

We have long thought Jackson was a wolf in sheep's clothing, especially with his denial of universal objective justification. McCain has it right, that Jackson cannot understand this comforting Biblical doctrine because of his non-Lutheran and liberal-Lutheran theological education.

Followers of Greg Jackson, we have mentioned on Ichabod how you need to beware of this deceiver. Maybe you will finally realize who you're following when he wants you to all move to Guyana with him, and the favorite beverage is Kool-Aid.

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GJ - Tim forgot - he shares McCain's need to attack, using my departed daughters, Bethany and Erin Joy. Glende and McCain write their own character references.

And they both adore UOJ.


LQ dominatrix - huge fan base: five or six underemployed guys.




Scott E. Jungen has left a new comment on your post "Appleton's Premier Groeschel Plagiarist Apes Pope ...":

OK, I get it now! It is better to belong to his church and get excommunicated!

Scott E. Jungen

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Medium Rare wrote:

I'm thinking UOJ is a lazy man's gospel. You don't have to tell the whole story.
In this 'puffed up world", where self esteem is called good and humility called bad, the Truth is a tough sell. If the preacher is without trust in the efficacy of the Word, I think he or "she" would be inclined to go with the easy story.

Bored Commends Joe Krohn




bored has left a new comment on your post "Do Not Discuss This in Cyberspace -Because Only Ku...":

Good for you Joe.

I mean, in such circumstances nothing can be taken with abject joy, but it was good for to give the members of the congregation something to think about. After all, they, by remaining in the church are party to the unscrupulous behavior by the Pastor, and their consciences should be afflicted by the truth. Likely Pastor Patterson will lie and obfuscate to make himself look like the Saint, but by giving the other congregants access to the full story, you will have sharpened their wits and increased their ability to discern. Good job.

Friday, June 3, 2011

2,000

page-reads today, on a slow day. Times 365. Oh oh. Ramp up the abuse.

No wait. That only drives up readership.

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Timothy Blank (Timothyblank)
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Mike,
To spare you some time wasted, check out this link:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15040358
Then skip to the time segment 46:45.

Also, I should note that he mentioned at the end of his Ascension Day service the recent criticism he has received:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15124314, starting at about the 41st minute.

Timothy

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GJ -

Aww. Tim (CLC - sic) is watching a Lutheran service, but only to keep people from "wasting their time" watching the whole Ascension Day vespers.

Tell us, Tim - on the basis of UOJ, in harmony with Stephanie Kurzahn and others in your sorority:

Can a CLC member impregnate his own daughter, make her quite insane with abuse, raise his daughter/grandaughter, carry on with a mistress, and still be a communicant in the CLC (sic)?

After all, he was declared forgiven before he was born (first trimester) and so were all of you CLC (sic) pastors, absolving you of evil before you were even baptized.

Back to Luther:
Dealing with the False Teachers


The synod bullies cannot deal with Luther. Their rage against him is Satanic.

This is a statement he made about false teachers, as I recall it from the Lenker set.

"They grab Jesus by the shoulders and babble in His ear, telling Him what He should have said."

That makes me laugh, each time I think of the wording.

LI pointed out a lesson he learned from an expert in airplane design, "If the explanation about something is too complicated, it is bogus." The man who said that invented the Spitfire fighter, a key element in WWII in England.

That concept also works well in Christian doctrine. Those who make justification too complicated are creating a smokescreen. If they can correct Jesus, Paul, and Luther long enough, their opinions become so esoteric that no one can comprehend them. Their own diciples (to use the Stetzer copyrighted spelling) cannot explain it to anyone.

All the UOJ advocates are pathological liars, forever assuming an air of great sanctity while feasting on mutton and wearing the best wool. They are still alive because heaven is not good enough for them yet - so they think. They are only one step away from obnoxious atheism.





Wolf-Preachers Tear and Murder the Sheep:
Accuse Chytraeus, Chemnitz, Luther,
And the Apostle Paul of Heresy


Luther wrote about the wolf-preachers who tear into the sheep and murder the flock. Our family's close friends raised sheep, so we got to see the animals close up - in their pens. They are easy prey unless protected.

Worse than the wolves are the synodical officials who empower them. One of the LutherQueasies asked, in the spirit of hope, "All the other Lutheran groups agree with us, right? right?"

Yes, they do, including ELCA. From ELCA down to the micro-mini sects of Lutherdom, all embrace the doctrine of Knapp, the Halle professor who taught all the mainlines double justification, which quickly degenerates into Universalism.

Luther warned that the Christian faith is attacked on three main fronts - the divinity of Christ, the humanity of Christ, and justification by faith.

WELS and Missouri both taught justification by faith in their Small Catechism editions. Missouri still does in the KJV edition. The Gausewitz and the Missouri KJV are remarkably concise and Word-centered. No fluff. No UOJ.

Gausewitz was honored and respected in the entire Synodical Conference. He was the pastor at Grace (WELS) Milwaukee, where the First VP of WELS, Huebner, has forgotten the congregation's history.

There is a direct connection between abandoning justification by faith and the moral corruption of the synods today. They think nothing of forcing adulterous, murderous, and drunken pastors on congregations, to rend and murder the flocks. Like the Roman Catholic Church, they have moved their homosexual pastors around, too. Nor do they mind adopting from another synod--and absolving--an unrepentant adulterer and abortionist pastor, if there is money in it for them.

These matters are known to many, but not all, of the ordinary clergy. Anyone suspected of knowing the truth and questioning it will face a battery of accusations.

More ELCA Departures.
Some Leave Quietly, As They Do in the Syn Conference Too

Leaving Sodom



ALPB Forum

In the June issue of The Lutheran, the ELCA Secretary reports that, as of May 5, the number of congregations having voted the 1st & 2nd times to leave the ELCA since August 2009 are;

1st votes - 851 (representing 794 congregations), 598 successful.

2nd votes - 497, 472 successful.

I few things I would note:

1st votes are successful 70% of the time - but, since several congregations which fail to pass the 1st vote try again, congregations are successful 75% of the time in passing a 1st vote eventually.

2nd votes are successful 95% of the time.

I did not see the figures for the end of March, but compared to the figures for the end of February, there have been 47 successful 1st votes in March & April, and 58 succesful 2nd votes, or an average of 24/mo. and 29/mo. respectfully.  The average per month since Aug. 2009 is 30 and 24.  The rate of departure has not significantly declined.

Assuming that these figures include the votes taken on May 1, Pastor Barnhart reports an additional 12 successful 1st votes through May 22 (out of 17 votes taken), and 22 successful 2nd votes (out of 22).

Marshall Hahn

That doesn't include the two congregations in Florida who saw what happened to another former LCA congregations in their synod who therefore decided to not even take a vote, but to instead deliberately dual-roster and simply ignore the ELCA.

Nor does it include all the congregations who have cut off the ELCA financially and who otherwise ignore the ELCA as if it didn't exist. That might irritate those who are strict ELCA company men, but it is an effective strategy for keeping a congregation from splitting or even losing many members through exodus.

Do Not Discuss This in Cyberspace -
Because Only Kudu Don Patterson Has Permission To Do So



LutherRocks has left a new comment on your post "Joe Krohn Response to WELS Pastor Rydecki.Patterso...":

I know we all love irony...I only heard from Holy Word folks who had similar issues with Patterson. I heard nothing from the 'inner circle' who was all about 'love' after our shunning off the Yahoo Mailserv of Holy Word...

This is what we posted last Sunday...

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

Some of you may know me and others not. For those who don't, I played the trumpet at Holy Word for the past two years and occasionally before that.

Sadly, we will not be attending any longer since the leadership of your church body has broken fellowship with our family. Many times these things happen behind the scenes and many are left with `I wonder whatever happened to so and so?'

We feel very strongly about the issues we brought up to the leadership and we were unequivocally denied on all points. We feel that the direction of Holy Word is drifting far from its Lutheran roots. When the Confession is eliminated as it was during a service in March; when there is more and more music that is used that is not appropriate lyrically for worship; when it was voted to drop the name `Lutheran' from the school name; when the Pastor leaves the duties of teaching the Word to layman while teaching a false view of forgiveness, we feel compelled and obligated to bring these to your attention.

Since your leaders are acting in your stead by applying the Ministry of the Keys, it is fitting and proper that you hear us and not only what your leaders tell you so that you can determine an informed opinion. The people who continue to be members at Holy Word share the responsibility of excommunicating a Christian--and as far as I understand it, improperly applying The Office of the Keys is a very serious sin.

I have been chronicling our experiences here:

http://hereistand2011.blogspot.com/

If the hyperlink does not work, please copy and paste the url into your browser window.

We will miss you all.

In His Grace,
The Krohns

This came across from Patterson before we were benevolently deleted...

Dear Saints,

God loves Joe and Lisa and so so we.  If you have any questions about this recent email please talk to me off line.  Cyberspace is not the place to air such difficult matters. 


We will continue to serve Christ and each other in his love as we seek to find a resolution to those things that divide us.


Jesus teaches us, "They will know that you are my disciples if you have love for
one another."  John 13:35.

If you were in worship today you know how the word of God we heard applies to
this present situation. If you happened to miss it, that is okay.  It will be up
on our website soon, - www.holyword.net  Click on sermons audio.

Giving a reason for our hope,

Pastor Don Patterson

Good News for the WELS Worship Conference.
Each Leader Will Have a Designated Driver Assigned


Due to several scandals about DUIs among high profile figures, Gustavus Adolphus College (ELCA) has asked WELS to appoint designated drivers for each worship conference leader.

In the good old days, a WELS pastor could pile his car into a utility pole, get a DUI ticket, and hear the synod officals say, "Just the man we need for world missions!" Off he would go, to a land of drunks, where the hooch was cheaper and the police more compassionate. It helps to be born already justified (first trimester).

A professor of worship could be arrested in his own town for DUI, convicted, and still beat the rap.

But now, a host college, even an ELCA one, has to be careful. People are bound to say, "How could you let them on your beautiful campus? What were you thinking? You know the WELS reputation."

Joe Krohn Response to WELS Pastor Rydecki.
Patterson a Logical Fallacy Factory



Friday, June 3, 2011


Response to Pastor Rydecki

Providing a response here is better visibility rather than getting buried in comments.  My thoughts in italics below...

Rev. Paul A. Rydecki said...

Hi Joe, (Say, the next time you write an open letter to Intrepid Lutherans, be sure to actually send a copy to Intrepid Lutherans. Someone directed me to your letter, or else I would never have seen it.)   An open letter assumes that the intended audience will see the letter one way or another.  I knew one of you would.  I am extremely appreciative that you took the time not only to read, but to also offer your comments.

First, I sympathize with you and your family over the turmoil you're going through. I don't know your whole situation, but I wish the dialogue on justification between you and your pastor hadn't been so quickly taken "off the table," as it were. It sounds like there's lots to talk about and study yet.  Quite frankly it never got on the table.  We traded some email correspondence until we met after an Elders meeting in February.  Instead of pulling out a Bible and discussing it I was met with 'who has your ear' and 'this isn't a topic that is typical from of a layman'.  There is no need to go into all detail.  Suffice it say that even though he agreed there were no saints in hell and the Becker/Kokomo thing went too far he did not let me get out of the meeting without feeling less than adequate since; I didn't know Greek; He has had calls to Mequon and has theological kahoonies (his term) and that the topic is better left to scholars...end of discussion.  Soon enough there was a sermon where he used an example of forgiveness that didn't sound quite right and another discussion ensued regarding UOJ.  In April we had another meeting.  There were other issues that had come to the surface that were discussed, but when we got to UOJ, there was no discussion.  I was pounded in front of another pastor and the president of the congregation.  I was told that if I didn't ask the right questions, I wouldn't get the right answers; that my faith and membership in WELS was in jeopardy if I didn't get my head around it all.  I needed to quit dancing in cyberspace with certain people.  So yes, there needed to be more study.     

To your letter: I disagree that my comment above was convoluted and "esoteric," and I also disagree with your answer of "No" to the question, "Was forgiveness acquired before repentance?", so I'm not sure if we're on the same page here or not. As I explained in the first part of my comment above, forgiveness was most certainly acquired by Christ for all people of all times (therefore, without respect to anyone's repentance). Forgiveness is not distributed to anyone apart from the Means of Grace. The forgiveness that Christ acquired for all is acquired by an individual through faith alone, worked by the Holy Spirit through the Means of Grace.

I think you're actually confusing the issue when you bring repentance into it. It just adds another dimension that is not necessary if your point is to keep it simple. "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Whether quoting from Genesis 15 or from Romans 3 or 4, repentance isn't brought into the picture. But faith is. Stick with talking about faith, in my opinion. This would also be in keeping with the historical Lutheran understanding of the "ingredients" of justification: 1) The grace of God, 2) The merit of Christ, 3) The promise (Means of Grace), and 4) Faith in the promise.  In a way you are also saying that one is not asking the right question, but when I see your explanation (thank you!) I see where you are coming from and I would say I am on the same page with you.  The problem I see and that of others is; where is this forgiveness?  Others, myself included are thinking in terms of men when we say 'is forgiveness distributed before faith'.  The answer to this is no.  But when you posed it as you did, it became more of a riddle.  Of course there is forgiveness before faith in the sense that Christ was forgiven for our sins.  It has to be there in order for us to receive it through faith.  But it was Christ that was forgiven for our sins and was justified and this is objectively for the world - and received through faith - this is the correct teaching of Objective Justification...the forgiveness of sins in the Third Article.  But this is not what Patterson nor others are teaching.  They go too far imputing it on all the world regardless of faith.  It is the wrong 'hoi polloi'.  Better to talk of one justification (Christ's) received through faith.  This makes the faith of all believers of all time the same as Paul preaches in Romans 4.

I think I would agree with you (not having read everything you've written on the matter) that it is not right to say that you, Joe Krohn, were forgiven before you were born. Scripture does not talk that way, nor do our Confessions, nor does Chemnitz in his Examination. Is there forgiveness in Christ for all? Yes. Did God love you before you were born and see to it that his Gospel was preached to you that you might believe and be saved? Yes. But before you were in Christ, you, like the rest of us, were still counted among "the wicked."  This from an email from Pastor Patterson towards the end of our discussion...it flies in the face of things said here...4-20-11  "I have communicated with you honestly and with the intentions of love.  Your desire to make everything that is justification dependent upon faith instead of making justification that beautiful gospel that creates the faith in our hearts  -- is false doctrine.

Again, I don't know enough of your particular situation, but speaking in general, I can't imagine why anyone would be excommunicated (from a Lutheran church) for holding to justification by faith alone in Christ, as long as "faith" is not ascribed to man as man's good work, and as long as "faith" is defined as nothing more than to believe in God's promise of mercy for Christ's sake.  Agreed!!!

Peace be with you. Pr. Rydecki

 Again, Pastor thank you for commenting.  I had been WELS all my life.  But it is not the same Synod it was.  Thank you for your post of yesterday on IL...that is the church I yearn for.


In His Grace,
Joe

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GJ - Patterson has no educational or doctrinal qualifications to teach at a Lutheran institution. He is so gonzo about Enthusiasm that he gathered WELS workers for the Exponential conference in Orlando, Florida.

The parson kicking out a faithful member should be kicked out of the ministry, just for that. But a district VP can do anything he wants. If DP Glaeske is so critical of DP Englebrecht for mishandling Appleton, why not show WELS what it means to be Lutheran?

But DPs can do anything they want. Pastors--even the SP--shrug their shoulders and say, "There is nothing we can do." They could apply the Word of God and the Confessions, but they do not...so far.

The Shrinker Sisterhood is scared now, so this is the time to give them doctrinal wedgies. Press home all the issues and connect them. I will help:
  1. Exponential trip
  2. UOJ conference
  3. Following Fuller methods and doctrine

Let's look at some Patterson logical fallacies:
  • He received calls to Mequon. That is a false appeal to authority. Getting a call, from an apostate board to serve with an apostate faculty, does not refute justification by faith.
  • Patterson studied Greek. That was Glende's argument too. They are saying that some study of Greek proves they are right. But the most ardent UOJ fanatics admit that justification in the Greek New Testament means justification by faith and nothing else. False appeal to authority.
  • Joe is not a Biblical scholar, and these matters should be left to the scholars. This is the Roman Catholic priesthood argument, another false appeal to authority. "Leave it to the lower-archy, Joe. We will tell you what to think."
  • "Who has your ear?" can be labeled several ways. One is called poisoning the well. In other words, start attacking the source as toxic. This might also be wending its way into a personal attack (ala Tim Glende, Jenswold, and Pope Paul the Unlearned). All logical fallacies are attempts to avoid the issue, to deflect the other person from relevant details.
Patterson has authority issues, typical in an abusive sect. Those who pervert the Christian faith use their office to intimidate, threaten, and guilt-i-fy anyone who questions authority.

Shouting and getting angry helps a lot - helps the abusive. Most people shrink back from such behavior, not realizing it is a sure sign of fear.

I do not need to scream at someone to prove the Packers won the last Superbowl. It is a fact published on the Net and embedded in the soul of every God-fearing WELS member.

Bethany Lutheran Church - Over 200,000 Google Returns
For That Name


The Wisconsin Synod invented the ad bethany logical fallacy, which Pope Paul the Unlearned is using now.
I opposed Church Growth and clergy adultery because our daughters Bethany and Erin Joy died, according to WELS.
The pastor who followed me at Shepherd of Peace, Jenswold, tried the same line on his ELCA pastor friend, Bruce Foster.



This is Erin Joy, who really lived up to her middle name.




Paul T. McCain (Ptmccain)
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By the way, I put up a blog post about Jackson. How sick is it that he is running a "congregation" named after his deceased child and doing "Internet communion"? He has kindly provided a graphic of yours truly as Pope Paul the Unlearned. I like it.

Here's the blog post:
http://cyberbrethren.com/2011/06/03/a-lutheran-pas tor-and-his-long-distance-congregation/

Pope Paul the Unlearned on UOJ:

Paul T. McCain (Ptmccain)
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Alan: No, of course not. Jackson betrays his fundamental lack of a good, solid Lutheran theological education. He can't wrap his brain around the fact that faith is not a cause of justification, but rather a means of personal appropriation of the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ on the cross. A very pathetic figure.

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GJ - As someone just wrote to me on Facebook, "It sounds like you are getting to McCain."

I enclosed Bethany Lutheran Church in quotation marks and got over 200,000 returns on Google, suggesting that Lutherans name their congregation after the Biblical city.

KJV John 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.

That may be new information for McCain, who stayed on the Ft. Wayne campus several years after his MDiv and yet managed not to earn an advanced degree. Moreover, he spent most of his career with synod sinecures, where he might have earned a degree at Our Lady of Sorrows, or at least finished at The Surrendered Fort. But he did neither one.

Tim Glende tried the same approach as Paul McCain, using my departed daughters' illness against me. He erased the entire anonymous blog soon after.

Pope Paul the Unlearned is famous for demanding apologies. Ironic? He is so easily offended, even by helpful comments from friendly people.

I promise to identify every scoundrel and low-life who tries this approach with my daughters. I will quote them and refute them, holding them up to the public shame they never seem to feel in their own actions and words.

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K. F. Peters has left a new comment on your post "Nastiness, Sarcasm, and IgnoranceAmong the LutherQ...":

I was friends with Paul McCain on Facebook until I left the comment that it was much easier to dismiss Jackson as insane than to respond to his accusations.

Paul saw fit to terminate our Facebook friendship.

Pity, I'll miss his insightful posts about his haircut.

Nastiness, Sarcasm, and Ignorance
Among the LutherQueasy Ankle-Biters

Pope Paul the Unlearned, MDiv, has no advanced degrees, no publications, 
and almost no parish experience. Therefore, He is an expert in all things Lutheran.
No surprise - the ALPB Forum kicked him out for his repeated nasty, dishonest behavior.
He lied about his secretive work with Herman Otten, to get Barry elected.



Paul T. McCain (Ptmccain)
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By the way, I put up a blog post about Jackson. How sick is it that he is running a "congregation" named after his deceased child and doing "Internet communion"? He has kindly provided a graphic of yours truly as Pope Paul the Unlearned. I like it.

Here's the blog post:
http://cyberbrethren.com/2011/06/03/a-lutheran-pas tor-and-his-long-distance-congregation/

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GJ - False teachers quickly betray themselves. Here are a few examples from one post:
  1. Congregation is in quotation marks. So Pope Paul has decided it is not a congregation. Jesus said, "Wherever two or three are gathered, there am I in the midst of them." Besides that, Bethany is an ecclesiastical corporation with its own tax number. The government is convinced, without the Word.
  2. How sick is it that he is running a "congregation" named after his deceased child - The constituting group chose a Biblical name, Bethany, from a group of possible names. No one suggested naming the congregation after a child, living or dead. Pope Paul needs to get a grip on his facts and emotions.
  3. doing Internet communion. I do not consecrate the elements. The efficacious Word of God does. Pope Paul is relying on his Roman Catholic parochial school training, which he often praises, with its emphasis upon the priest sacrificing Christ. Although our situation is not ideal, the members have been previously driven away from brick and mortar congregations by false doctrine, murderous and adulterous clergy, abusive church officials, and other distractions from the Gospel.
  4. Pope Paul and His cardinals seem to think the Word of God has no efficacy, whether in their quaint embrace of UOJ or their fanatical opposition to a tiny, harmless congregation. At what point does the efficacious Word fail to consecrate the elements?
  5. McCain and Barry could not muster enough courage to deal with any doctrinal issue in the LCMS, whether it involved Pentecostalism, union worship with various pagan religions (Al Benke), or the Church Growth Movement. How does one leverage 20 years of incompetence to become the LQ peritus?
  6. The ankle-biters are good for entertainment, and they drive all kinds of readers to Ichabod. Watch the most read list in the next few weeks.
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One of our regulars wrote this:

rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Paul Paul the Unlearned Goes Medieval on Our Free,...":

I have watched and participated in the Ascension service and last Sunday's that were on Ustream. Maybe I do some a favor if they do not have to listen to my raspy voice when I follow along in the TLH. I never thought that the day would come where I could be in a truly Confessional Lutheran service from my man cave in the basement. The Liturgy which I took for granted in the days of my youth is hard to come by in my middle age.

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K. F. Peters has left a new comment on your post "Nastiness, Sarcasm, and IgnoranceAmong the LutherQ...":

I was friends with Paul McCain on Facebook until I left the comment that it was much easier to dismiss Jackson as insane than to respond to his accusations.

Paul saw fit to terminate our Facebook friendship.

Pity, I'll miss his insightful posts about his haircut.

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Nastiness, Sarcasm, and IgnoranceAmong the LutherQ...":

This Pope Paul is the very epitome of a walking fallacy called - special pleading.

LPC

Thursday, June 2, 2011

Patterson and Glende Became Facebook Friends in May


What do they have in common, besides anonymous comments sent to this blog?

Church and Change!

Going to false doctrine conferences!

Imagining that Babtists have something to teach Lutherans!

Do not forget - Glende and Patterson both excommunicated members for doing what WELS demands, that someone go to them and tell what their objections are.

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LutherRocks has left a new comment on your post "Patterson and Glende Became Facebook Friends in Ma...":

Scott...you really need to get your nose in the Icha-slang Lexicon...It is left 'boot' of fellowship. BTW...it didn't even hurt...I knew it was coming and made sure I had the Word of God in between me and the boot...kind of like when I was a kid and there was a spanking coming...I'd stick a little extra padding in one of my back pockets and make sure I turned my cheek in the direction of the spanking :O Hope the new job works out well for you!!