Thursday, July 14, 2011

Sermons Are Not for Whining and Guilting



Ben Wink has left a new comment on your post "Nominated for Worst Sermon Ever. Worse Than Ski an...":

There seems to be an element of whining here as well. I believe that no one ever said that the life of the minister was supposed to be easy.

How can one encourage activity in the church when your own pastor belittles the work volunteers can do? Picking weeds and shoveling is nothing a PASTOR should do. What self-respecting minister of the Word would do that? Oh no. But you over there...the maroon that didn't learn Greek...grab a weedwhacker! Everyone's a minister...except when there's gardening to do because I can't be bothered with it, I'm saving souls.

Guilt through the Gospel. That should be a training series title. I heard it so often in quickly conceived half-hearted sermonettes from MLC, the high school after high school.

Where does it end? "You didn't buy an Easter lily. So our church is that much less beautiful in celebration of Christ's resurrection. So visitors are effected that much less by our flowered decorations on the altar. So they seem to doubt the Easter message because of the lack of lilies. So you've caused that person to fall away from the message that would've saved them from hell. I hope you're happy, soul-damner! I don't have time to bring flowers, I'm saving souls!"

Sounds ridiculous right? Is it that far off from what some congregations hear everyday? What should motivate a Christian? The Word in Law and Gospel motivates. Christ motivates. The Holy Spirit motivates. The Means of Grace motivate. Pulpit whinings turn people off. The only thing missing was asking for a handout at the end, because that would have sadly made it even more typical.

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GJ - I heard a sermon like that in homiletics at the Sausage Factory, when I was there.

The senior said:

"Do you know why our congregation is not growing? It is because you are not out there witnesses. Statistics show that the churches that grow do so because the members are out witnessing..."

I knew that was straight out of the Shrinker books. Balge was appalled and said so. Of course, his own colleagues were teaching it.

I believe the speaker is the one who left Lutherdom altogether and opened a storefront church for healing.

I know that many of the students in 1987 were being brain-washed by Valleskey and others. After the year was over, a full week was devoted to CG propaganda. Soon after, I was expected to attend Kelm's School of Enthusiasm.

Holy Baptism



bored has left a new comment on your post "Come On, WELS - I Have the Graphics You Need To Co...":

Howdy Brett.

If you wanna go on record saying the WELS, LCMS etc are not Christian churches I suppose that's up to you.

Since you're not claiming that these churches are devoid of Christians perhaps you ought to consider your choice of words. There are plenty of churches of every denomination in which true justification is being taught (despite however much the pastor thinks he believes UOJ). To those churches, the "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" attitude will look arrogant and ridiculous, because it is, and because their experience with the WELS (for example) is something far different than yours: you see far more of the seedy and heterodox "intelligencia" who work tirelessly to corrupt truth than do ten average welsmen.

Jesus spoke in a totally different way to the woman at the well than he did to the pharisees. We sinners can take note of that, and add on several more tons of humility because we each are corrupt. It is possible to be kind without degrading the substance of what you're saying. And being charitable and sensitive is not attempting to usurp the Efficacy from the Word.

It's neither charitable nor accurate to say that there are no Christian Churches in the WELS or LCMS or the Roman Church. Better than telling a Roman Catholic or WELsian that technically they aren't Christian, would be to gently show them how their church departs from Scripture.

Save the edicts and the ire for the people who are trying to make antichristian churches of the very very many Christian churches.


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GJ - These matters are worth debating.

Ichabod is devoted to discussing apostasy, and the Synodical Conference parts are apostate, including the micro-mini splinters. Even the ELS is little more than a splinter, consisting of a dead ice-cream maker, his endowed mini-college, and a few elderly parishes.

Although WELS is officially a UOJ sect, I know from various contacts that church workers reject and repudiate it, just as they reject and repudiate the Church Shrinkage Movement. Wisconsin deviancy is proven by the fact that the Wisconsin Sect persecutes faithful pastors, teachers, and members. The Krohn and Techlin excommunications are two obvious examples, but there are many more.

I have also documented WELS church workers murdering and molesting, a worship professor engaged in drunk driving, and other notorious crimes. Does anyone think I Google the Net for WELS crimes? No, people report the facts and help me document them.

The only proper way to address the problems is to apply the Word in the context of the Lutheran Confessions. That is done in various ways.

Many can only serve as faithful church workers where they are, but they are happy to see their ideas and insights in print. For various reasons, they cannot be out in the open as I am. In the past I used Christian News, which all the synods use, too. But they did not want me to use Christian News to tell the truth.

They really worked overtime to silence me, and the effort continues, poisoning the well. The idea is to make anything associated with me or this blog so toxic that it is dismissed out of hand. The weakness of this gambit is the abundance of Internet evidence. The poor slobs cannot help bragging and posting, so I have the facts in their own words, Tweets, and blogs.

If Brett seems harsh, it may be from his attempts to make up for all the silent Lutherans. Brett's words may remind Lutherans of how little they have done. He went to various clergy to address their perversion of justification. He set up the video services, which have been denounced repeated by... (the pope? ELCA? the UUA? the Babtists?) the "conservative" Lutherans. Doing something positive, even on a modest scale, makes them angry, bitter, and jealous.

But that is the problem with opposing falsehood. The meek compromiser seems to be the harbinger of peace, but he is really the worst trouble-maker, kicking the problems away for a moment, allowing them to return in worse form later.

No one shuns the get-along-go-along guy. They like him and clap him on the back.

Church and Change opponents volunteered me to go to two different C and C conferences. If I had been nearby, I would have gone, for the entertainment value alone. But why did they not go? And if they did, why did they not scream to heaven above? I know the Changers howled in unison, just like a pack of wolves, every time I identified their tactics when I was in WELS. They still snarl, growl, and bite where they can.

Brett Meyer went to Emmaus Conference. He could have excused himself, told me he was too busy. He might have said, "I tried their parishes and gave up." Instead, he helped in the purchase and distribution of 60 books on justification by faith. He spent the time talking to everyone who care to spend the time. Many laity were shocked at the perversion of justification being taught in their synods.

Perhaps if Harrison, Schroeder, and Pope John spent less time denouncing this blog and more time in study and teaching, their members would know more than "Holy Mother Synod is infallible." Harrison, truly the big dog of the three (in money, members, schools) had a chance to have a long discussion with Brett. Instead, Harrison exchanged a few words, glanced at one book, and walked away. Out of touch with the laity, he chose to stay out of touch.

Oh, those danish roll and coffee Thrivent-funded meetings - so much more comfortable, albeit fattening!

If the day came, when people like Brett were in the majority, or at least represented a significant group, the false doctrine would be beaten back and adulterous millionaires would be on the run.

But that has not happened yet, so a few of us will make up for the rest, signing our names, accepting the consequences.


Harrison, Schroeder, Pope John - you are rebuking the wrong people.

WELS Excommunicated Rick Tecklin, Joe and Lisa Krohn,
For Supporting the Alleged Position of WELS


Responses to Rick Techlin's Excommunication:
  1. Scott E. Jungen
    Rick,
    As tempting as it is to say what I want, I won’t. The Lord’s blessing to you.
    Scott E. Jungen

  2. I am very sad to hear this, Rick. I am still behind you 100%. If there is any way in which I can be of assistance to you, please let me know.

  3. on July 9, 2011 at 11:26 am Aaron Palmer
    There is no justice in this, not even basic fairness. I’ve actually spent most of my career as a historian studying justice and law (often its abuses). Even the 1740 South Carolina Slave Code stated the following: “Natural justice forbids that any person of what condition soever be condemned unheard.” Yet this congregation and this district appeals board have done so, violating a principle that even slave owners felt compelled to write into law. I am ashamed of my synod and most especially the wolves in sheep’s clothing who have perpetrated this travesty.
    Lord’s blessings to your and your family in these difficult times. I wish I had the power to do more than just offer encouragement.
    Dr. Aaron Palmer

  4. Dear Rick…May the Lord go with you as well. You are in our prayers. This is all so troublesome. Your situation will need to be dealt with. The dispute can not go on between you, the pastors who are communing you and the leadership of the district in which you reside. In Christ, Joe

  5. on July 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm Tony Kubek Jr
    Dear Rick,
    Those holding positions in our circuit, the Northern Wisconsin District and the synod level have abdicated their responsibility to preserve doctrinal purity. They have lost their credibility among some they are to serve. As enablers, those who allow the issues surrounding your situation to continue unresolved should be held accountable.
    Tony Kubek Jr

  6. ‘As enablers, those who allow the issues surrounding your situation to continue unresolved should be held accountable.’
    Doesn’t that go straight to the top of the synod? To whom shall the case be appealed? A word or two directly from Pres. Schroeder is in order. To me alot is riding on this situation and that of the Krohn family in Texas. These being the two most prominent cases since you both graciously keep the rest of us informed via your blogs. How many other similar cases are out there now flying under the radar that we are not aware of, I wonder? To me, there is alot riding on the on the outcome that eventually must be addressed in some sort of a higher appeal. I think the synod leaders know the division and split that will be brought about should a definitive answer and so-called resolution be brought about. Although I’m not hopeful for anything to be resolved by the Synod in convention at the end of the month, these and matters like these should be top priority in my humble opinion. I’m just a one girl, but one girl whose entire family are life-long WELS members who have supported this synod in countless ways. Sad to say it but I am on the brink of removing my membership from the WELS. Not that I want to leave, but sadly ~ it has left me.

  7. on July 11, 2011 at 11:49 am Aaron Palmer
    I received an interesting phone call this morning from a member of Trinity Lutheran in Neenah (Pastor Englebrecht’s congregation) who I will not identify. He was none too happy about my comments in support of Mr. Techlin and seems to think that I am a “piece of work” to use his exact words. Thanks for the pleasant conversation Mr. X. No morning is complete without a good berating through my cell phone!
    Dr. Aaron Palmer

  8. With God all things are possible and it is my prayer that WELS will take a hard look at the bad doctrines that are leading the synod away from the Confessions, but more importantly the Scriptures. In reality I am not at all confident in our situation based on what has happened to Rick. Our issue is much deeper seeded with an unrelenting, long and sordid past surrounding it. It is my honor to go with those who have gone down before me standing on the truth of the Word.
    Joe Krohn

  9. on July 11, 2011 at 9:13 pm Scott E. Jungen
    Dr. Palmer,
    When they squeal, you know you’re on the right path! From what I’ve read from you, you are a “piece of work,” a good one! Rick, hang in there!
    Scott E. Jungen

  10. I pray that those of you commenting please contact the other individuals as well in keeping with the 8th Commandment.
    thank you.

  11. on July 12, 2011 at 2:59 pm Aaron Palmer
    Mr. Vik,
    I will allow Luther to respond to this talking point about the eighth commandment. I say talking point because I have heard almost the exact statement you have made over and over again regarding this and other similar issues:

    “All this has been said regarding secret sins. But where the sin is quite public so that the judge and everybody know it, you can without any sin avoid him and let him go, because he has brought himself into disgrace, and you may also publicly testify concerning him. For when a matter is public in the light of day, there can be no slandering or false judging or testifying; as, when we now reprove the Pope with his doctrine, which is publicly set forth in books and proclaimed in all the world. For where the sin is public, the reproof also must be public, that every one may learn to guard against it.” (Luther’s Large Catechism, 8th Commandment, Paragraph 284, http://www.bookofconcord.org / Concordia Triglotta).

    I do not think any of us are commenting here or elsewhere out of an evil desire to be vicious or spiteful, but stern words are sometimes needed. Do not mistake indignation for malice.
    Dr. Aaron Palmer

  12. Matthew,
    I hope that you are not using the 8th commandment as a veil for indefensible doctrine and practice. I also pray that you think the best of your brethren (cf. 1 Corinthians 13:7) and assume that we already have contacted the individuals accused of these heinous crimes.

Antinomianism Comes from Univeral Objective Justification.
Just Ask ELCA, Jungkuntz, Kelm



rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Come On, WELS - I Have the Graphics You Need To Co...":

The term Legalistic Antinomian may seem to be a paradox. It is accurate because it describes the logical outcome of straying away from the Means of Grace and the Lutheran Confessions. The Legalism comes from the Pharisaical use of the Law. The Antinomianism comes from always trying to find loopholes in the Law.

rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Nominated for Worst Sermon Ever. Worse Than Ski an...":

These wrong use of the law admonitions are a dime-a-dozen in the cesspool known as American Evangelicalism. This is what you get when you have lazy pastors who leave evangelism visits up to a visitation committee. This is what you get when you have an expensive expansion program and you cannot get warm bodies fast enough to fill up the coffers. This is what you get when your doctrine of vocation is faulted and you preach that everyone is a minister. The final result is unduly binding the consciences of the laity. I would not be able to stay for the entire sermon. I would be in the men's room retching.

Reading J. P. Meyer Again.
Fatal UOJ Flaws

Do not overlook $50 to 60 million a year from Thrivent, just for the Missouri Synod.


Northwestern Publishing House has re-issued the infamous J. P. Meyer commentary on Second Corinthians, Ministers of Christ.
I will publish a review soon.

The book has all the weaknesses of lecture notes being published.

I wanted to see how the Panning-improved version read. He was supposed to sand down the rough parts, the controversial passages, but there is little evidence of that.

The book proves that the UOJ Enthusiasts will never comprehend their errors, because Meyer-Panning places UOJ next to justification by faith and sees only UOJ.

Meyer quoted Luther, Gerhard, and Calov--all justification by faith theologians--and pulled UOJ out of them, like a magician who finds coins in ears and scarves in his capacious cloak.

I used to pull coins out of ears, a trick I learned from my mother. (Simply palm a coin and pretend to tug on the ear-lobe. The child sees what he is told he is seeing.) An engineer's son kept each coin and placed it carefully on the table, watching the pile grow. That trick was slowly impoverishing me.

The problem is basic and obvious. The UOJ fanatics turn every Atonement passage and term into justification.

Justification in the New Testament means God's declaration of forgiveness. That is also true of the Book of Concord, Luther, Melanchthon, Chytraeus, Chemnitz, Gerhard, and Calov.

Many advocates of UOJ have conceded this fact - that justification in those instances is exactly what R. C. H. Lenski said - justification by faith. But that does not deter the UOJ Enthusiasts.

Circular Reasoning
Assumptions lead to conclusions, and conclusions can easily create assumptions. Whether we call it circular reasoning, begging the question, or special pleading, using assumptions to prove a conclusion is a logical fallacy.

For example, some clergy were debating which Gospel was written first. I believe the issue cannot be solved and is irrelevant anyway. John is clearly last because the Fourth Gospel assumes knowledge of the others.

To prove his case, one pastor said, "Matthew and Luke had to have a document before them." I kept questioning them. Why assume that document? Yes, there is historical evidence for Matthew being first, but most of history has vanished from war and neglect. Before books became the norm, which happened in modern times, people used their memories to contain entire works of literature.

One possible answer to their problem is this:
  1. Matthew was first, the Jewish Gospel, modeled after the Five Books of Moses.
  2. Luke was second, a Gentile Gospel for non-Jews.
  3. Mark wrote a harmony of the two, with only two brief passages being unique to Mark: the seed growing secretly and the great robeless escape.
  4. John wrote his unifying Gospel, assuming the reader's knowledge of the previous Gospels, but adding essential material.
The standard academic solution today is:
  1. Mark was first, supposedly lacking the Virgin Birth.
  2. Matthew and Luke used Mark as the outline, adding material from the mysterious and never-found Q document.
  3. John was written 300 years later! That is a farce, since a scrap of John's Gospel was found dating the actual written version to 100 AD or earlier.
Syn Conference Assumptions There are so many Syn Conference assumptions, which pre-determine the conclusion of any argument. Here are just a few:
  1. Walther was the great orthodox Lutheran hero, who saved the Saxon migration from destruction, created the Missouri Synod, led the Synodical Conference, and never even broke wind his entire life.
  2. Walther was infallible so questioning anything related to him or his life means automatic excommunication.
  3. The Wauwatosa professors (WELS) were trained by the Walther disciples, so they could not be wrong about anything. In fact, they improved on everything.
  4. Every Atonement passage in the Bible is really a UOJ passage, but the early writers (like Paul) did not realize it yet, because the issues had not been raised until much later.
  5. No American Lutheran leader, apart from the Walther circle, could possibly be right about anything, because that individual was not part of the Walther circle.
  6. The LCMS, WELS, and ELS are always correct in doctrine and practice, no matter what they teach and practice.
  7. The LCMS, WELS, and ELS dedicate themselves to strict fellowship practices, even while romping with ELCA homosexuals, lesbians, and high-church atheists. They do so to help, improve, and ejucate ELCA.
  8. The papacy is the very Antichrist, unless Missouri, WELS, or the ELS wants papists to lecture them.
  9. ELCA is just pathetic, unless Missouri, WELS, or ELS wants to work with them.
  10. Christian News is disgusting, unless the synod leaders want to flatter Otten into spinning and spiking the news for them.


Robert Preus quoted this with approval, 
but Rolf claims his father never departed from Norwegian Pietism.






Come On, WELS -
I Have the Graphics You Need
To Counter This Antichrist Nonsense.
You Don't Believe the Pope Is the Antichrist!

Roman Catholic homosexual Archbishop Weakland and his priests
taught the Word of God at Wisconsin Lutheran College, WELS.
Bishop James Shannon walked in procession with the Little Sect faculty 
and spoke at their religious assembly.
Come on, WELS/ELS. You are just as ecumenical as ELCA.
More about Bishop Shannon here.

" If and when the Pope accepts Shannon's resignation as Auxiliary Bishop of St. Paul and as pastor of St. Helena's Church in Minneapolis, he will remain a bishop—but without portfolio."

Michele Bachmann's Church Says the Pope Is the Antichrist

By Joshua Green
The Iowa front-runner for the GOP nomination was a longstanding member of a strict Lutheran synod with controversial views of Catholicism

Michele_Bachmann.jpg

Michele Bachmann is practically synonymous with political controversy, and if the 2008 presidential election is any guide, the conservative Lutheran church she belonged to for many years is likely to add another chapter due to the nature of its beliefs--such as its assertion, explained and footnoted on this website, that the Roman Catholic Pope is the Antichrist.

Bachmann was a longtime member of the Salem Evangelical Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minn., which belongs to the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS), a council of churches founded in 1850 that today comprises about 400,000 people. WELS is the most conservative of the major Lutheran church organizations, known for its strict adherence to the writings of Martin Luther, the German theologian who broke with the Catholic Church and launched the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. This includes endorsing Luther's statements about the papacy. From the WELS "Doctrinal Statement on the Antichrist": 
Since Scripture teaches that the Antichrist would be revealed and gives the marks by which the Antichrist is to be recognized, and since this prophecy has been clearly fulfilled in the history and development of the Roman Papacy, it is Scripture which reveals that the Papacy is the Antichrist.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama's relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright nearly derailed his quest for the Democratic nomination after video surfaced of Wright's extreme pronouncements. Similarly, the views of Bachmann's church toward the papacy--which are well outside the mainstream of modern political discourse--could pose a problem as she pursues the Republican nomination.


Seeking to better understand WELS theology and how voters should regard it, I called the Rev. Marcus Birkholz of Salem Lutheran Church in Stillwater. When I identified myself, he hung up. Turning the other cheek, I called WELS and had slightly better luck. While I didn't get to speak to a pastor, as I'd hoped, Joel Hochmuth, the communications director, did his best to oblige. On the matter of the Antichrist, he said, "Some people have this vision of a little devil running around with horns and red pointy ears. Luther was clear that by 'Antichrist' [he meant] anybody who puts himself up in place of Christ. Luther never bought the idea of the Pope being God's voice in today's world. He believed Scripture is God's word." Hochmuth hastened to add that despite the lengthy doctrinal statement, the belief that the Pope is the Antichrist "has never been one of our driving principles."


Hochmuth also revealed that Bachmann is no longer a member of the WELS congregation. "I do know that she has requested a release of her membership," he said, adding that she took the unusual step of formally requesting that release in writing. "She has not been an active member of our fellowship during the last year." Hochmuth wouldn't speculate on whether her presidential ambitions factored in this decision -- the nation's 70 million Catholics (who lean Republican) might not respond kindly to the Pope-as-Antichrist stuff -- but he did emphasize that "it's not something you're going to hear preached from our pulpits every Sunday."


Nevertheless, the statement alarmed prominent Catholics. "Clearly, that is anti-Catholic," said Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, a national organization devoted to protecting Catholic civil rights. "This kind of hatred is reminiscent of Bob Jones. I believe [Bachmann] has in the past condemned anti-Catholicism. But there's no question -- all you have to do is read it -- that they clearly have anti-Catholic statements up there." Donohue said he would refrain from making any judgments until he heard from Bachmann, who he said must address the matter promptly. "We never went after Obama for sitting there for 20 years listening to Rev. 'Goddam America' Wright. I don't want to give him a pass, but I saw no bigotry on Obama's part. Similarly, I have see none on Bachmann's part. But it's clear that the [synod]'s teachings are noxious and it's important for her to speak to the issue. Obama had to answer for Wright, McCain had to answer for [the Rev. John] Hagee, and this is something that Bachmann has to answer for."


For context, I spoke to theologians familiar with Lutheran church history, who generally agreed with Hochmuth's characterization of Luther's views on the Antichrist. Some suggested that it would be useful to think of WELS as sitting well to the right of the two other major Lutheran organizations in America, the liberal Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (4.5 million members) and the conservative Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (2.4 million). "The Wisconsin Synod is a relatively small, conservative church body," Terrence P. Reynolds, the chair of the Theology Department at Georgetown University and a Wisconsin Synod member, told me. "They believe that the Christian Church's task, and their role, is to proclaim the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ. For some church bodies, the understanding of the pure gospel can be largely limited to the proclamation that we are 'saved by Christ'; for others it can involve a rich and substantial context of doctrinal understandings that surround that claim. The WELS understanding of the pure Gospel would fit well in the latter category."


This strict adherence to doctrine, and an awareness of how sharply it conflicts with modern societal norms, probably accounts for the church's nine-page statement on the Antichrist. Hochmuth's protestations notwithstanding, the church's position on the Pope and the Antichrist is perfectly clear -- those who consider themselves strict Lutherans cannot simply dismiss Luther's teachings -- even as its discomfort with that conclusion is plain to anyone who reads the full statement. For instance, it goes out of its way to make clear its position that it considers Roman Catholics to be Christians (a point Hochmuth made to me, as well).


In fact, the only person really disputing any of this is Bachmann herself. Confronted during a candidate's debate in 2006, she denied her church's position on the Pope:






Pat Kessler, WCCO (debate moderator): We'll start with Senator Bachmann. Religion and politics that has crept into this campaign over and over again. The Minneapolis-based Star Tribune reports today, Senator, that the church you belong to is affiliated with the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, which, it says, regards the Roman Catholic pope as the Anti-Christ. Is this true, do you share the views of your church, and why should any Catholic in the Sixth District vote for you if it is true?

Bachmann: Well that's a false statement that was made, and I spoke with my pastor earlier today about that as well, and he was absolutely appalled that someone would put that out. It's abhorrent, it's religious bigotry. I love Catholics, I'm a Christian, and my church does not believe that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, that's absolutely false.

Bachmann's campaign did not respond to emails and phone calls seeking comment.
Reynolds, of Georgetown University, says that this view of the papacy, alarming though it may be to the modern political world, has, over the centuries, shaped the rise of Protestantism. "The discussion of the papacy arose during the vitriolic exchanges Luther had with the Roman Catholic Church during the Reformation," he explained. "Luther thought [the Scripture] proclaimed clearly that we are saved by grace and that faith alone is what justifies us before God; for Luther those claims were the fundamental teaching of the Scripture and should be the focus of the Church's proclamation." 

But the Roman Catholic Church insisted that faith alone was insufficient, and that good works dictated and overseen by the church were necessary for salvation. "As the debates continued," Reynolds said, "Luther became more and more frustrated with Rome's rejection of justification by grace alone through faith and began to link the Church's intransigence on this matter with Scriptural references to the Antichrist. According to the Scripture, anyone who seeks to undermine the purity of the Gospel and the clear teaching of Scripture in the name of the Gospel--or anyone who becomes anti-Gospel--is the Antichrist.  So Luther made the claim** that the Pope is the Antichrist, insofar as the Pope insists upon obedience to his office and on work righteousness, both of which demean the atoning work of Christ."
That's the theological basis for the WELS claim. It may be up to Bachmann to furnish a political one.
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**For anyone interested in further reading, Reynolds says the claim that the Pope is the Antichrist appears in the Lutheran Confessions, in the Smalcald Articles, where it is declared that "This teaching shows forcefully that the Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ, because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power, which, nevertheless, is nothing, and is neither ordained nor commanded by God " (Smalcald Articles, Part II, Article IV; Of the Papacy).

Wednesday, July 13, 2011

Nominated for Worst Sermon Ever.
Worse Than Ski and Glende Copies?
Worse Than Parlow/Kelm Xeroxes?


Hi Professor,
I've been trying to get my folks to leave their WELS church for some time now.  Last Sunday's sermon, I think, was enough to push them over the edge.  The sermon is not that surprising (typical crap-ola), but for some reason it made it into the Top-Ten-Worst-Sermons-I've-Ever-Heard list.  The absence of the Holy Spirit and the Means of Grace from evangelism is Epic.  Totally Anthropocentric.  Anyhoo, the pastor doesn't publish text versions of his sermons, so I took pains to write accurate notes while listening to the audio file.  The link to the audio file is below if you care to totally waste 20 minutes of your life.  But I figured your readers might want to read a random example of WELS rottenness.







Now Hiring, by Pastor William Monday
Starts with token story about farmers.
Hard work is the only way to get treasure

What does it take for the Church to bring in the harvest?  How much responsibility should we have (how much work ethic) do we individually need to put forth to save souls?
Do we see things like Jesus does, that hard work is necessary, or do we not yet see that it our responsibility to work hard to save souls?

Why is Jesus spending all his time preaching and talking to people?  Why doesn't he spend his leisure time on himself?  His motivation was that he had compassion on them.  His heart broke for them.  When he saw everybody without goals and without God and his heart broke for them.   So, Jesus spent all his time telling everyone that "God Loves You".
Jesus looked at all these believers (OT and NT) who are struggling be passionate about the lost, struggling to harvest souls....so what words does he have for us:  (Quote:  And I can imagine Jesus' voice cracking when he says this)  The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few.  So pray to the Lord of the Harvest to send worker

Can't you see the desperation in his eyes?  Yes, Jesus paid the price for everyone by dying on the cross but they won't all be saved because there aren't enough workers in the field to tell them of the great work already been done!

[insert cute non sequitur story about farmers and puppies:   4 healthy puppies.  1 puppy with deformed leg.  Little boy with prosthetic leg decides he wants the deformed puppy.  Boy says:  That puppy is going to need someone who understand him.  The farmer promises to give the lame puppy to the lame boy for free.]

The Moral of the Story?  The Love of the Lord--it is so important to sympathize with others...to understand people.  to be compassionate.  Jesus is unique because he came to earth to understand us.  To sympathize with us.  In fact, he came to take our place.  He sees our failure.  We're all cripples.  Everyone needs something.  Jesus sees that and becomes that except without sin.   And then goes to the cross and becomes crippled for us.

Doesn't that change us?  Doesn't seeing Jesus do this for us change us?  Change how we see other people?  Don't we begin to look through our Savior's eyes?  Don't we also have compassion for one another?  Doesn't that inspire us to go from town to town and be witnesses for Jesus?  Doesn't that give us the motivation we're looking for to call out to our Savoir who is Now Hiring?

Jesus thought so.  He went and called 12 disciples and gave them authority to heal people and preach the good news.  [Insert Great Commission.]  And this applies to all of us.

Let me sum up by asking a better question:  How many of you have been assigned to a task where you needed other people?  Can you lift a couch up the stairs by yourself?  I wouldn't advice doing it by yourself.  Can you play with a teeter totter by yourself?  Nope.  If you've experienced this then you can relate to Jesus in this text.  With desperation and a choked up voice  (verbatim quote)  Jesus says to us:  "There are souls that keep dying and there aren't enough people to go out and rescue them!!!"

How wonderful things are when people volunteer and bring donuts and clean up!  How wonderful things are when we have volunteers  for money counting and ushering!  How wonderful when people sign up for VBS and all the other things that are required (quote) to further the gospel ministry along for ourselves and the Lost!

But how tough ministry becomes when nobody signs up for anything.   How tough it becomes to make the place look good for visitors.  You know, when nobody signs up to pull the weeds around the front entry, those jobs still get done.  You know who does them?  The leaders who have been charged with preaching the gospel and reaching the lost.  They pick weeds and shovel snow instead of saving people.

I've come to find this out in ministry.  That the most pressing needs are the ones that get fulfilled...but not the most important.  In order for outreach to happen, in order for us to be able to till the soil and plant the crop and bring the harvest home we need all those other things to get done. (shoveling snow, picking weeds, making coffee, serving donuts)  We need all of us together to work.  We need all of these things to happen so that outreach, which always happens last, can take place.  So take a look at Jesus.  He's standing there.  The Kingdom is Now Hiring.  Let us be people of prayer.  Let us be the ones who are willing to do the work.  Let us be willing to go out into that field and dig up that treasure.  The treasure of lost souls.


Let's do it together so that we can make sure we can turn over the field so that the people charged with doing the one-on-one soul saving can save the lost.  Maybe we're not all evangelists, but we can all hold up the evangelist's hands can't we?  Let's work while it's still day.

Syn Conference Hypocrites Pretend To Ignore This:
Jimmie James Research

The Rev. Richard Andersen


Rev. Richard Andersen

Rev. Richard Andersen received his Life Coaching training from the Hudson Institute of Santa Barbara, California. He is a Certified Life Coach of adults and their organizational systems.  A graduate of Luther Seminary in St. Paul,  Andersen was ordained in 1986.  He was approved for reinstatement to the roster having served a Lutheran parish earlier in his life. His second career as a senior financial consultant at Thrivent Financial for Lutherans allowed him to help clients shape their futures. He draws on these life skills in his passion for coaching people through life-enriching change.

With colleague, Ruth Frost, Richard founded Third Act Life Discovery, a spiritual journey of the heart designed to help people live purposefully and embrace a full life. Andersen is working on a Doctor of Ministry degree at United Theological Seminary.  Richard is currently the Director of Congregational Relations for Lutheran Social Service of Minnesota.  

”My life has revolved around being gay and acknowledging my call to serve the church,” Richard explains.

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Jimmy James said... 
 
Something hit me after I sent this to you, GJ. Note Andersen's quote at the end:

”My life has revolved around being gay and acknowledging my call to serve the church,” Richard explains.

Note that his life doesn't revolve around Christ. It resolves around bedroom gymnastics.

Also note that his call isn't to serve Christ, but "to serve the church".

Seems this poor fella might have more salvation issues than just his homosexuality....
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GJ -

I saw that right away. I remember the LCA reversing itself in the last few years before I left. The Lutheran magazine published an article by a seminary professor (Philadelphia) saying that homosexuality was against Creation. I met that professor when I was interviewed at that seminary. His fellow professors were congratulating him about the article. ELCA now teaches the opposite and the seminary faculties are united in supporting that position. The former head of ministry in ELCA (via his wife, also a minister) posted a Yale alumni note about their adult daughter having a Lesbian partner.

That Yale PhD in New Testament studies, Stanley Olson, has been an LCA professor and bishop, one of the four divisional heads, and the chief of vocations in ELCA. He was just installed as the president of the ELCA seminary in Dubuque, Iowa (Wartburg, former ALC), which Loehe started.

Don't blame Loehe - he started the Missouri Synod too, and the seminary at Ft. Wayne.

Jeske-Jungend Rally , July 21

Become a chick magnet.
This will be a good way to learn how to goose-step into the secretive and powerful 
Church and Change group.
Endorsed by DP Buchholz.
Led by Jeff Gunn, who confesses, "Jesus is my rice."


What Is the Difference?
Bueller, Bueller, Anyone?



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Bethesda Lutheran Communities - Partner Congregations:

St. John Lutheran Church, Wauwatosa WI - Pastor: Rev. Joel Leyrer, also 2nd vice-president of WELS SE Wisconsin District.

http://bethesdalutherancommunities.org/page.aspx?pid=665

"Bethesda is a Lutheran human care ministry that maintains close and friendly ties with all the Lutheran churches."

"Bethesda is a Recognized Service Organization (RSO) of The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod."

"...all joint expressions and demonstrations of a common Christian faith—call them church fellowship or by any other term ("partner congregations"? "close and friendly ties"?)—are essentially one, that they involve a unit concept, and that they are therefore all [also prayer] governed by one set of principles"(Proceedings, 1959, p. 165). - WELS "Unit Concept" of fellowship.

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GJ - Missouri and WELS have been working with ELCA and its parent bodies for decades. That will not change.

More importantly, the leaders of both sects have shown an inordinate fondness for studying with and adopting the doctrines of the Enthusiasts. Their hand-scooped doctrine from the Great Kidnapper is pure Enthusiasm with Lutheran sprinkles. Look beneath the sprinkles - there it is.

Someone asked me, "Is there a reason not to join one of the LCMC or NALC congregations?"
  1. Still in demi-semi-fellowship with nasty old ELCA? So are Missouri and WELS.
  2. Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell Communion practice. Ditto WELS and Missouri.
  3. Ordination of women? WELS and Missouri are eager to embrace it and already have women pastors.*
The LCMC (more like the ALC) and the NALC (the home for elderly ELCA bishops) are engaged in re-studying the Word of God, instead of taking everything for granted. I have no idea what the typical congregation is like, if that can even be determined. I would not be shocked to find both groups siphoning members from Missouri and WELS, simply because the doctrinal differences are slight. Few laity want to circle the wagons around the disputes of the 19th century Pietists.

Walther's approach was to offer his non-biblical theses as revealed truth, then dare anyone to dispute them. He was contentious, divisive, an unrepentant criminal with a lust for power. No wonder Syn Conference hagiographers want to begin with the Altenburg Theses, about Church and Ministry. Oh, Walther rescued the Saxon sheep from the ee-vul Bishop Stephan! Oh, he threaded the needle with his deft move between Romanism and Congregationalism. Oh, he took over the Synod Presidency and seminary presidency at once. Oh, Oh, Oh.

Starting with Altenburg means forgetting the two children kidnapped from their grandparents' home, the young man and woman who died in America. If I were those grandparents, I would not be so proud of that son (CFW) and his brother, both pastors. Starting with Altenburg allows one to forget that Walther willingly followed a known adulterer to America, pledged his lifelong support to the bishop, then organized a mob to rob, depose, and kidnap the bishop - for the crime of adultery.



* LCMS congregations hired ELCA women vicars to preach, consecrate Holy Communion, and baptize, already in the 1980s. I read their accounts in the Trinity (ELCA) Seminary library.
In WELS, the women "Staph Ministers" organized by Larry Oh! (DMin, Fuller Seminary) were consecrating Holy Communion and distributing it. The Revelation of John Brug (Glende's uncle, an Otten fave) was this - "It is not yet the right time." WELS did not condemn the practice but simply imposed a momentary delay. Brug has consistently supported women pastors, and he is the WELS dogmatician, smarter than JP Meyer, but no wiser.

Breaking News -
Mark and Avoid Jeske Goes
Full-time at Time of Generic Grace

The supernatural glow is Enthusiasm.
DP Rutschow is in charge of Jeske's discipline, i. e., protecting him.



"Not that Word and Sacrament are ineffective in incorporating new souls into our fellowship. Not at all! But according to some serious Church Growth studies, as many as one-third of the people gained for protestant church membership today do not feel they really belong."
David N. Rutschow, The Evangelism Life Line (WELS), Winter, 1985, p. 3. WELS DP for Southwest Wisconsin, perhaps the most loosey-goosey district of all, perhaps even worse than Englebrecht's Anything Goes District.

THIS JUST IN, DATELINE MILWAUKEE:
07/11/11 - WISCONSIN EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN SYNOD - 11:53 am

P A S T O R C A L L R E P O R T
07/05/2011 through 07/11/2011


Schaefer, Rev William J I -VSt Marcus - Milwaukee WI - 06/22/2011
Associate Pastor Call

I understand that W. Schaefer is the son of Jeb Schaefer, CG Enthusiast editor of The Northwestern Lutheran. Good Ol' Jeb was Mischke's enabler and PR agent. Jeb bragged about the pan-Lutheran Shrinker conference at the same time that Wayne Mueller denied in print that WELS had any Church Growth at all.

W. Schaefer will be the Executive Pastor of St. Marcus, because Jeske has become full-time at Time of Generic Grace.

How can anyone administer pastoral discipline to someone who is no longer a WELS pastor?

YOU DON'T OWN ME - Apologies to Leslie Gore

You don't own me, I'm not just one of your Luther'an toys,
You don't own me, don't say I can't go with Babtist boys.

And don't tell me what to do,
And don't tell me what to say,
And please, when I raise funds from you
Please put me on display, 'cause

You don't own me, don't try to change me in any way;
You don't own me, don't tie me down 'cause I'd never stay.

Oh, I love to tell you what to say,
I love to tell you what to do,
So let me grow the Jeske cult,
That's all I ask of you.

I'm bad and I love to be bad
I'm free and I love being Me,
To live my life the way I want,
To say and do whatever I please

A-a-a-nd don't tell me what to do,
Oh-h-h-h don't tell me what to say,
And please, when I raise funds from you
Always put me on display.



Tuesday, July 12, 2011

Jeske's In-House Band




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Let's assume that the Koiné music genre might be an acceptable vehicle to carry Lutheran text. The problem is that Koiné is being put forward or seen as the ideal for the average parish to strive for. It's an untenable ideal. Most congregations (in the WELS at least) do not have the talent pool to sustain such a group for a consistent, week-after-week, "performance" in the divine service.

And "performance" is the real problem. Such a band and genre of music is performance-oriented, the antithesis of what the divine service liturgy along with its musical settings is intended to be and do.

I don't think Koiné nor its musical genre will stand the test of time. This is the newest flavor in WELS and will fade away like so many others,... like Time of Grace when Jeske is not there to mug for the camera.


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GJ - "When Jeske is not there to mug for the camera..." That reminded of one Jeske performance on TV. The camera scanned the adoring audience. But I saw a tactic used that a famous criminal lawyer employed - Jeske kissed the audience. He formed a big, silent kiss as he spoke.

Look at early tapes of Rick Warren and Robert Schuller. They looked and acted normal. Once they achieved some measure of outward success, they had another look - truly Satanic.

Jeske critics miss the fact of his occultic New Age doctrine, which permeates his horrible shows. Missouri should be saying, "No you keep him."

The entire Church and Change operation is Jeske-centered and New Age. Here is a little family tree, simplified.
  1. Asian polytheism offers a parallel to Satanism, with self-centeredness and material success as the core beliefs.
  2. . Norman Vincent Peale stole his success book from an occultic writer.
  3. Schuller borrowed Peale's doctrine and did a re-tread as Possibility Thinking.
  4. Napoleon Hill provided a business philosophy of the occult, useful in bewitching the Shrinkers, who are rather dumb.
  5. Paul Y. Cho influenced vast numbers of Evangelicals, Pentecostals, and Shrinkers with his blend of occult teaching and Pentecostalism. The Assemblies of God tossed him out. Fuller Seminary made him an honored lecturer. I shook his hand at a Billy Graham School of Evangelism, where he led the prayers.
  6. Schuller, Cho, and Warren provided a safe cover for occultic success worship. Throw down that musty theology of the cross. Hybels got rid of the cross altogether, and WELS/LCMS flocked to hear the strange little wax manikin yap.
  7. Like gay activism, Church Growthism has made its anti-Christian, Satanic philosophy into a set of assumed truths for various denominations.

Hanky Alert - Touching ELCA Story:
SPs Harrison, Schroeder, and Moldstadt
Work with This Far Left Ideology.
No Sweat.

We voted to continue working with ELCA. Goodbye.



R. Guy & Keith Fry ...

Ordination stories move church forward

R. Guy Erwin's ordination on May 11 proved quintessentially Lutheran: Two ELCA bishops and a former bishop played key roles; the service doubled as a "teaching" moment for California Lutheran University students, and the 75-member university choir led the 450-strong congregation in singing the final hymn, "A Mighty Fortress is Our God."

The symbolism rang poignantly true since Erwin, 53, serves as the Gerhard and Olga J. Belgum Chair in Lutheran Confessional Theology at CLU in Thousand Oaks; taught Lutheran studies and church history at Yale Divinity School, New Haven, Conn., for several years; and studied in Germany for his doctoral thesis on Martin Luther's era.

Also new to the ELCA roster is Keith Fry, a second-career pastor serving a growing congregation in Elgin, a traditionally politically conservative northwest suburb of Chicago. Christ the Lord Lutheran isn't in the Reconciling in Christ program, which recognizes congregations that welcome lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) believers, and hadn't discussed the issue of gay pastors before calling him.

A year-and-a-half after calling Fry, 52, the congregation is thriving, and just called a deaconess to serve as its director of ministries.

Both men exemplify how openly gay leaders are finding their full expression as rostered ELCA pastors.

Erwin and Fry are among 47 gay pastors ordained, received, reinstated, consecrated, returned to active status, or approved for ordination, reception or reinstatement since the 2009 Churchwide Assembly vote accepting partnered gay and lesbian rostered leaders, according to an unofficial tally by Lutherans Concerned/North America.

R. Guy Erwin stands before the faith
R. Guy Erwin stands before the faith community at California Lutheran University, Thousand Oaks, at his service of ordination. Behind him are Pacifica Synod Bishop Murray D. Finck (left); James Boline, pastor of St. Paul Lutheran, Los Angeles; Southwest California Synod Bishop Dean W. Nelson; Mary D. Glasspool, suffragan bishop in the Episcopal Church's Diocese of Los Angeles; and Howard Wennes, former bishop of the Grand Canyon Synod now serving at CLU.
Of the total, 20 moved from the roster of Extraordinary Lutheran Ministers, which now offers a professional support network called Proclaim for LGBTQ (the "Q" was added for "queer" because some young people use that term for themselves) rostered leaders.

Erwin, who provided a crucial last-minute vote at the assembly to adopt the gay-friendly policy, believes the ELCA is "becoming more itself" and "more authentic."

"We've understood grace too narrowly in the past," he said. "Everything that moves us away from a legalistic interpretation of God's expectations toward one that is grace-filled moves us toward being the church that Christ intended."

One could hardly imagine a more credentialed Lutheran than Erwin. A native Oklahoman and member of the Osage tribe of Native Americans, he found himself drawn to the German language and the history of Christianity while living with his parents in Germany from age 8 to 12.

"I knew even then that I wanted to be connected in some way to that long, old story of Christianity," he said. "The extent to which people had believed and sacrificed so much for the sake of the faith was really compelling for me."

Erwin was drawn to Luther and the Reformation after he took a class on German history at Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass. He was baptized during his senior year there in 1979 at University Lutheran Church and went on to study church history and earn his doctorate at Yale.

He returned from his doctoral work in Germany in 1985, just in time for the creation of the ELCA. In 1990, the ELCA suspended, and in 1996 expelled, two San Francisco congregations that had ordained gay and lesbian pastors — Jeff Johnson of First United and Ruth Frost and Phyllis Zillhart of St. Francis.

The church's actions dissuaded Erwin from going to seminary, and its rule requiring that gay rostered leaders be celibate cemented his decision to stay away from the pastorate. Yet Erwin said he has never felt bitter because he fulfilled his calling by teaching and by helping establish a Lutheran studies program when he taught at Yale Divinity.

"I was pretty influential in the formation of a number of people who are now Lutheran clergy," he said. "That was very rewarding for me, but a little ironic since I was teaching people how to be pastors when I couldn't be one myself."

Erwin, who is fluent in German, got over his initial misgivings that the 2009 policy had come too late for someone his age when his mentor, the late former synod bishop Paul Egertson, reminded him that the church had been calling him all his life.

In August 2010, Erwin started his candidacy process. He is now ordained into specialized ministry at the university rather than into parish ministry.

And then there's Fry ...

Fry said he "saw the Spirit's leading and the Spirit's hands" in his call to Christ the Lord since he entered seminary in fall 2005 and graduated in June 2009 — just two months before the ELCA assembly's vote.

"There were definitely anxious moments leading up to the vote," he said.

A longtime active ELCA member known for his leadership in music, outreach and preaching, Fry garnered the unanimous recommendation of Christ the Lord's council and received the congregation's call two weeks after the assembly vote.

Fry chose Reformation Sunday 2009 as his ordination day. Bishop Wayne Miller of the Metropolitan Chicago Synod presided at the ceremony — the first ordination held at Christ the Lord.

After Fry started his tenure about a dozen members left, including some of the largest donors. Yet pledge commitments are up this year from 2010, and the church last year received 24 new members and baptized seven babies.

"It is a wonderful example of how, if we can set aside the fears and the stereotypes, a congregation that hasn't even had the conversation can successfully call a pastor because of his or her gifts," Fry said.

Amalia Vagts, executive director of Extraordinary Lutheran Ministries, said the group intends to continue to support and build up the ELCA. "Our organization has always been about expanding ministry opportunities," she said. "The way we do that just evolves over time."

The group built a roster of 46 people from 1990 until 2009, of which 18 were ordained after they had completed a candidacy process that mirrored the ELCA's.

"We are now focused on candidacy accompaniment — walking alongside LGBTQ people who need our resources to give them advice and coaching and provide chaplain support," Vagts said.

The ELCA rostering process, she noted, can be more difficult for people who have cloaked their sexuality for much of their lives than for young adults who have always been out.

"There is still a great deal of education that needs to happen in this church," Vagts said.

Neither Fry nor Erwin joined the ELM roster.

The two have something else in common. Each is in a long-term relationship rivaling the length of many U.S. marriages. Fry just celebrated his 20th anniversary with his partner, while Erwin is in his 17th year with his partner.

One Lord, One Faith, One Insurance Company, One Big Laugh
Thrivent's commitment to homosexual activism is linked here.


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GJ - Can you figure out why people are leaving ELCA, when The Lutheran magazine features stories like this - easily available on the denomination's website?

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Censure against Missouri congregation lifted

Anita Hill cleared for clergy roster


For nearly 10 years members of Abiding Peace Lutheran Church in North Kansas City, Mo., worshiped under public censure and admonition for hiring a pastor in a committed same-sex relationship. In January, the censure was lifted.

"It's an amazing feeling," said Donna Simon, who has served as pastor since August 2000. "Now there's reconciliation, and we're part of the [church] that we've loved for so long. The lifting of the censure touched us emotionally."

Simon said when she accepted the call to serve the congregation, "we entered into uncharted territory."

Gerald L. Mansholt, bishop of the Central States Synod, said Simon has through the years "been a good steady voice, a good partner in the struggle and she has the respect of a lot of people with different views. She is a generous soul with a kind heart who speaks the truth out of her own faith-life experiences."

In a Jan. 25 letter to the congregation, Mansholt formally lifted the public censure and admonition.

 
Elsewhere, the candidacy committee of the St. Paul Area Synod in February supported Anita Hill for inclusion to the ELCA clergy roster. She has served St. Paul Reformation Lutheran Church, St. Paul, Minn., for nine years as pastor and for 14 years prior as lay pastoral minister.
 
The panel asked that Hill be added to the clergy roster upon the implementation of the Vision and Expectations policy changes approved by the Churchwide Assembly. (See also "Sexuality issue causes division, sadness — and hope.")

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St. Paul Area Synod lifts sanctions on two congregations


On Jan. 15, Peter Rogness, bishop of the St. Paul Area Synod, lifted sanctions — but retained official admonitions — imposed by his predecessor on two of its congregations.
It was St. Paul-Reformation's 2000 decision to call as a pastor Anita Hill, a lesbian in a committed relationship, that prompted its censure. Hosanna! was censured for commissioning and licensing parishioners to function as full pastors.

The reasons were disparate for the sanctions imposed by Mark S. Hanson, former synod bishop, on Hosanna! (Lakeville, Minn.) and St. Paul-Reformation (St. Paul, Minn.) Lutheran churches — but the results were the same. Neither lay people nor clergy from either congregation were allowed to serve on the synod council or on any synod committee or team. The sanctions were expected to remain in place until the congregations conformed to ELCA constitutional requirements or the ELCA changed those conditions.

July 12th Anniversaries



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Happy Twelfth, Pastor GJ! I hope you're wearing an orange shirt today...

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GJ - Readers must wonder, since they come from so many cultures.

David Beckham and his wife just celebrated their 12th anniversary.

Neptune completed its first orbit since being discovered 165 years ago.

July 12th is also the 450th anniversary of St. Basil's in Moscow. Bethany's WEF will be modeled after St. Basil's, if funds permit.

But orange is the clue. Here is the holiday.

Little did Notre Dame suspect that I arrived as a descendant of English and French Protestants. 
One ancestor was the richest man in Scotland until he wanted his loan to the king repaid.
Notre Dame gave me a full scholarship, so I wrote Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant.


McCain - Buy My ESV Bible.
Otten - Buy My AAT.
WELS - Luv, Luv, Luv the New NIV.
Ichabod Hearts the English Luther Bible.


The three giants of Enthusiasm - McCain, Otten, and WELS - promote three different translations of the Bible.

England thanked Tyndale for his solo translation of the Scriptures, by burning him to death.



All Lutherans (the ELCA branch too) once used the King James Version, which has this interesting history:
  1. Luther and his associates translated the Bible into German from the original languages.
  2. Tyndale translated the Bible into English, from the original languages, working directly with Luther and his associates. Tyndale was burned at the stake for his trouble.
  3. Following Queen Elizabeth's enlightened reign, King James I authorized a single translation of the Bible in English, appointing a group of scholars. This version was meant to be read aloud in church, so precision and clarity of language were important.
  4. The King James Version was issued in 1611, four centuries ago, and it turned out to be a slightly revised version of the Tyndale. One man could have been an ancestor of Paul Kelm. Scholars are divided.
  5. The 1611 KJV was revised slightly, for spelling and punctuation. “It is true that there were revisions. The first was in 1629 by Samuel Ward and John Bois, who had worked on the original translation. The second was in 1638 by the Cambridge University Press. The third was in 1762 by Dr. Thomas Paris of Trinity College, Cambridge. The fourth was in 1769 by Dr. Benjamin Blayney. The changes, though, were of a very minor nature. They were largely a correction of printing errors, an updating of italics, spelling, and punctuation, and modernizing of some obsolete words. The changes also involved the addition of a large number of new marginal notes and cross-references. How different, then, is the King James Bible today than the one in 1611? The following authoritative answer is by Dr. Donald Waite of Bible for Today ministry. It is authoritative because he took the time to examine this challenge first hand by diligently and laboriously comparing every word of the 1611 KJV with a standard KJV in publication today. Following is his testimony:...” (David Cloud, “Was the 1611 King James Bible Different Than Those We Have Today?”)
  6. Although there were various English translation attempts over the years, such as the Goodspeed, no single translation really caught on. 
  7. The watershed effort was the radical Left's National Council of Churches Revised Standard Version. All the mainline denominations--units of the NCC--worked to get this translation accepted, even though the propagandists removed the Virgin Birth from Isaiah 7:14.
  8. After the RSV caught on, new fad translations began to appear several times a year: Cottonpatch, Jerusalem, Good News, Living Bible, and the AAT.
  9. Just as liturgical worship began to be an exceptional experience, so also was the use of the KJV and the Concordia Triglotta. WELS praised and de-listed Gausewitz. Missouri kept its KJV catechism and buried justification by faith under froth and foam of UOJ.

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Paul T. McCain (Ptmccain)
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And I noticed today that over on Ickyblog, the resident writer there was whining about behavior that is not "civil."

I gave that one a big old LOL.

I honestly think that man is oblivious to his behavior. Funny how he can dish it out, but he can not, absolutely can not, take it.

Classic bully behavior.

Again, as always, funny is not so tragic.


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Pope Paul,

Try tending to your own pot's swarthy hue . . . The irony is now doubly so.