Tuesday, July 12, 2011

Jeske's In-House Band




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Let's assume that the Koiné music genre might be an acceptable vehicle to carry Lutheran text. The problem is that Koiné is being put forward or seen as the ideal for the average parish to strive for. It's an untenable ideal. Most congregations (in the WELS at least) do not have the talent pool to sustain such a group for a consistent, week-after-week, "performance" in the divine service.

And "performance" is the real problem. Such a band and genre of music is performance-oriented, the antithesis of what the divine service liturgy along with its musical settings is intended to be and do.

I don't think Koiné nor its musical genre will stand the test of time. This is the newest flavor in WELS and will fade away like so many others,... like Time of Grace when Jeske is not there to mug for the camera.


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GJ - "When Jeske is not there to mug for the camera..." That reminded of one Jeske performance on TV. The camera scanned the adoring audience. But I saw a tactic used that a famous criminal lawyer employed - Jeske kissed the audience. He formed a big, silent kiss as he spoke.

Look at early tapes of Rick Warren and Robert Schuller. They looked and acted normal. Once they achieved some measure of outward success, they had another look - truly Satanic.

Jeske critics miss the fact of his occultic New Age doctrine, which permeates his horrible shows. Missouri should be saying, "No you keep him."

The entire Church and Change operation is Jeske-centered and New Age. Here is a little family tree, simplified.
  1. Asian polytheism offers a parallel to Satanism, with self-centeredness and material success as the core beliefs.
  2. . Norman Vincent Peale stole his success book from an occultic writer.
  3. Schuller borrowed Peale's doctrine and did a re-tread as Possibility Thinking.
  4. Napoleon Hill provided a business philosophy of the occult, useful in bewitching the Shrinkers, who are rather dumb.
  5. Paul Y. Cho influenced vast numbers of Evangelicals, Pentecostals, and Shrinkers with his blend of occult teaching and Pentecostalism. The Assemblies of God tossed him out. Fuller Seminary made him an honored lecturer. I shook his hand at a Billy Graham School of Evangelism, where he led the prayers.
  6. Schuller, Cho, and Warren provided a safe cover for occultic success worship. Throw down that musty theology of the cross. Hybels got rid of the cross altogether, and WELS/LCMS flocked to hear the strange little wax manikin yap.
  7. Like gay activism, Church Growthism has made its anti-Christian, Satanic philosophy into a set of assumed truths for various denominations.

Hanky Alert - Touching ELCA Story:
SPs Harrison, Schroeder, and Moldstadt
Work with This Far Left Ideology.
No Sweat.

We voted to continue working with ELCA. Goodbye.



R. Guy & Keith Fry ...

Ordination stories move church forward

R. Guy Erwin's ordination on May 11 proved quintessentially Lutheran: Two ELCA bishops and a former bishop played key roles; the service doubled as a "teaching" moment for California Lutheran University students, and the 75-member university choir led the 450-strong congregation in singing the final hymn, "A Mighty Fortress is Our God."

The symbolism rang poignantly true since Erwin, 53, serves as the Gerhard and Olga J. Belgum Chair in Lutheran Confessional Theology at CLU in Thousand Oaks; taught Lutheran studies and church history at Yale Divinity School, New Haven, Conn., for several years; and studied in Germany for his doctoral thesis on Martin Luther's era.

Also new to the ELCA roster is Keith Fry, a second-career pastor serving a growing congregation in Elgin, a traditionally politically conservative northwest suburb of Chicago. Christ the Lord Lutheran isn't in the Reconciling in Christ program, which recognizes congregations that welcome lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) believers, and hadn't discussed the issue of gay pastors before calling him.

A year-and-a-half after calling Fry, 52, the congregation is thriving, and just called a deaconess to serve as its director of ministries.

Both men exemplify how openly gay leaders are finding their full expression as rostered ELCA pastors.

Erwin and Fry are among 47 gay pastors ordained, received, reinstated, consecrated, returned to active status, or approved for ordination, reception or reinstatement since the 2009 Churchwide Assembly vote accepting partnered gay and lesbian rostered leaders, according to an unofficial tally by Lutherans Concerned/North America.

R. Guy Erwin stands before the faith
R. Guy Erwin stands before the faith community at California Lutheran University, Thousand Oaks, at his service of ordination. Behind him are Pacifica Synod Bishop Murray D. Finck (left); James Boline, pastor of St. Paul Lutheran, Los Angeles; Southwest California Synod Bishop Dean W. Nelson; Mary D. Glasspool, suffragan bishop in the Episcopal Church's Diocese of Los Angeles; and Howard Wennes, former bishop of the Grand Canyon Synod now serving at CLU.
Of the total, 20 moved from the roster of Extraordinary Lutheran Ministers, which now offers a professional support network called Proclaim for LGBTQ (the "Q" was added for "queer" because some young people use that term for themselves) rostered leaders.

Erwin, who provided a crucial last-minute vote at the assembly to adopt the gay-friendly policy, believes the ELCA is "becoming more itself" and "more authentic."

"We've understood grace too narrowly in the past," he said. "Everything that moves us away from a legalistic interpretation of God's expectations toward one that is grace-filled moves us toward being the church that Christ intended."

One could hardly imagine a more credentialed Lutheran than Erwin. A native Oklahoman and member of the Osage tribe of Native Americans, he found himself drawn to the German language and the history of Christianity while living with his parents in Germany from age 8 to 12.

"I knew even then that I wanted to be connected in some way to that long, old story of Christianity," he said. "The extent to which people had believed and sacrificed so much for the sake of the faith was really compelling for me."

Erwin was drawn to Luther and the Reformation after he took a class on German history at Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass. He was baptized during his senior year there in 1979 at University Lutheran Church and went on to study church history and earn his doctorate at Yale.

He returned from his doctoral work in Germany in 1985, just in time for the creation of the ELCA. In 1990, the ELCA suspended, and in 1996 expelled, two San Francisco congregations that had ordained gay and lesbian pastors — Jeff Johnson of First United and Ruth Frost and Phyllis Zillhart of St. Francis.

The church's actions dissuaded Erwin from going to seminary, and its rule requiring that gay rostered leaders be celibate cemented his decision to stay away from the pastorate. Yet Erwin said he has never felt bitter because he fulfilled his calling by teaching and by helping establish a Lutheran studies program when he taught at Yale Divinity.

"I was pretty influential in the formation of a number of people who are now Lutheran clergy," he said. "That was very rewarding for me, but a little ironic since I was teaching people how to be pastors when I couldn't be one myself."

Erwin, who is fluent in German, got over his initial misgivings that the 2009 policy had come too late for someone his age when his mentor, the late former synod bishop Paul Egertson, reminded him that the church had been calling him all his life.

In August 2010, Erwin started his candidacy process. He is now ordained into specialized ministry at the university rather than into parish ministry.

And then there's Fry ...

Fry said he "saw the Spirit's leading and the Spirit's hands" in his call to Christ the Lord since he entered seminary in fall 2005 and graduated in June 2009 — just two months before the ELCA assembly's vote.

"There were definitely anxious moments leading up to the vote," he said.

A longtime active ELCA member known for his leadership in music, outreach and preaching, Fry garnered the unanimous recommendation of Christ the Lord's council and received the congregation's call two weeks after the assembly vote.

Fry chose Reformation Sunday 2009 as his ordination day. Bishop Wayne Miller of the Metropolitan Chicago Synod presided at the ceremony — the first ordination held at Christ the Lord.

After Fry started his tenure about a dozen members left, including some of the largest donors. Yet pledge commitments are up this year from 2010, and the church last year received 24 new members and baptized seven babies.

"It is a wonderful example of how, if we can set aside the fears and the stereotypes, a congregation that hasn't even had the conversation can successfully call a pastor because of his or her gifts," Fry said.

Amalia Vagts, executive director of Extraordinary Lutheran Ministries, said the group intends to continue to support and build up the ELCA. "Our organization has always been about expanding ministry opportunities," she said. "The way we do that just evolves over time."

The group built a roster of 46 people from 1990 until 2009, of which 18 were ordained after they had completed a candidacy process that mirrored the ELCA's.

"We are now focused on candidacy accompaniment — walking alongside LGBTQ people who need our resources to give them advice and coaching and provide chaplain support," Vagts said.

The ELCA rostering process, she noted, can be more difficult for people who have cloaked their sexuality for much of their lives than for young adults who have always been out.

"There is still a great deal of education that needs to happen in this church," Vagts said.

Neither Fry nor Erwin joined the ELM roster.

The two have something else in common. Each is in a long-term relationship rivaling the length of many U.S. marriages. Fry just celebrated his 20th anniversary with his partner, while Erwin is in his 17th year with his partner.

One Lord, One Faith, One Insurance Company, One Big Laugh
Thrivent's commitment to homosexual activism is linked here.


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GJ - Can you figure out why people are leaving ELCA, when The Lutheran magazine features stories like this - easily available on the denomination's website?

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Censure against Missouri congregation lifted

Anita Hill cleared for clergy roster


For nearly 10 years members of Abiding Peace Lutheran Church in North Kansas City, Mo., worshiped under public censure and admonition for hiring a pastor in a committed same-sex relationship. In January, the censure was lifted.

"It's an amazing feeling," said Donna Simon, who has served as pastor since August 2000. "Now there's reconciliation, and we're part of the [church] that we've loved for so long. The lifting of the censure touched us emotionally."

Simon said when she accepted the call to serve the congregation, "we entered into uncharted territory."

Gerald L. Mansholt, bishop of the Central States Synod, said Simon has through the years "been a good steady voice, a good partner in the struggle and she has the respect of a lot of people with different views. She is a generous soul with a kind heart who speaks the truth out of her own faith-life experiences."

In a Jan. 25 letter to the congregation, Mansholt formally lifted the public censure and admonition.

 
Elsewhere, the candidacy committee of the St. Paul Area Synod in February supported Anita Hill for inclusion to the ELCA clergy roster. She has served St. Paul Reformation Lutheran Church, St. Paul, Minn., for nine years as pastor and for 14 years prior as lay pastoral minister.
 
The panel asked that Hill be added to the clergy roster upon the implementation of the Vision and Expectations policy changes approved by the Churchwide Assembly. (See also "Sexuality issue causes division, sadness — and hope.")

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St. Paul Area Synod lifts sanctions on two congregations


On Jan. 15, Peter Rogness, bishop of the St. Paul Area Synod, lifted sanctions — but retained official admonitions — imposed by his predecessor on two of its congregations.
It was St. Paul-Reformation's 2000 decision to call as a pastor Anita Hill, a lesbian in a committed relationship, that prompted its censure. Hosanna! was censured for commissioning and licensing parishioners to function as full pastors.

The reasons were disparate for the sanctions imposed by Mark S. Hanson, former synod bishop, on Hosanna! (Lakeville, Minn.) and St. Paul-Reformation (St. Paul, Minn.) Lutheran churches — but the results were the same. Neither lay people nor clergy from either congregation were allowed to serve on the synod council or on any synod committee or team. The sanctions were expected to remain in place until the congregations conformed to ELCA constitutional requirements or the ELCA changed those conditions.

July 12th Anniversaries



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Happy Twelfth, Pastor GJ! I hope you're wearing an orange shirt today...

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GJ - Readers must wonder, since they come from so many cultures.

David Beckham and his wife just celebrated their 12th anniversary.

Neptune completed its first orbit since being discovered 165 years ago.

July 12th is also the 450th anniversary of St. Basil's in Moscow. Bethany's WEF will be modeled after St. Basil's, if funds permit.

But orange is the clue. Here is the holiday.

Little did Notre Dame suspect that I arrived as a descendant of English and French Protestants. 
One ancestor was the richest man in Scotland until he wanted his loan to the king repaid.
Notre Dame gave me a full scholarship, so I wrote Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant.


McCain - Buy My ESV Bible.
Otten - Buy My AAT.
WELS - Luv, Luv, Luv the New NIV.
Ichabod Hearts the English Luther Bible.


The three giants of Enthusiasm - McCain, Otten, and WELS - promote three different translations of the Bible.

England thanked Tyndale for his solo translation of the Scriptures, by burning him to death.



All Lutherans (the ELCA branch too) once used the King James Version, which has this interesting history:
  1. Luther and his associates translated the Bible into German from the original languages.
  2. Tyndale translated the Bible into English, from the original languages, working directly with Luther and his associates. Tyndale was burned at the stake for his trouble.
  3. Following Queen Elizabeth's enlightened reign, King James I authorized a single translation of the Bible in English, appointing a group of scholars. This version was meant to be read aloud in church, so precision and clarity of language were important.
  4. The King James Version was issued in 1611, four centuries ago, and it turned out to be a slightly revised version of the Tyndale. One man could have been an ancestor of Paul Kelm. Scholars are divided.
  5. The 1611 KJV was revised slightly, for spelling and punctuation. “It is true that there were revisions. The first was in 1629 by Samuel Ward and John Bois, who had worked on the original translation. The second was in 1638 by the Cambridge University Press. The third was in 1762 by Dr. Thomas Paris of Trinity College, Cambridge. The fourth was in 1769 by Dr. Benjamin Blayney. The changes, though, were of a very minor nature. They were largely a correction of printing errors, an updating of italics, spelling, and punctuation, and modernizing of some obsolete words. The changes also involved the addition of a large number of new marginal notes and cross-references. How different, then, is the King James Bible today than the one in 1611? The following authoritative answer is by Dr. Donald Waite of Bible for Today ministry. It is authoritative because he took the time to examine this challenge first hand by diligently and laboriously comparing every word of the 1611 KJV with a standard KJV in publication today. Following is his testimony:...” (David Cloud, “Was the 1611 King James Bible Different Than Those We Have Today?”)
  6. Although there were various English translation attempts over the years, such as the Goodspeed, no single translation really caught on. 
  7. The watershed effort was the radical Left's National Council of Churches Revised Standard Version. All the mainline denominations--units of the NCC--worked to get this translation accepted, even though the propagandists removed the Virgin Birth from Isaiah 7:14.
  8. After the RSV caught on, new fad translations began to appear several times a year: Cottonpatch, Jerusalem, Good News, Living Bible, and the AAT.
  9. Just as liturgical worship began to be an exceptional experience, so also was the use of the KJV and the Concordia Triglotta. WELS praised and de-listed Gausewitz. Missouri kept its KJV catechism and buried justification by faith under froth and foam of UOJ.

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Paul T. McCain (Ptmccain)
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And I noticed today that over on Ickyblog, the resident writer there was whining about behavior that is not "civil."

I gave that one a big old LOL.

I honestly think that man is oblivious to his behavior. Funny how he can dish it out, but he can not, absolutely can not, take it.

Classic bully behavior.

Again, as always, funny is not so tragic.


Tim Rake (Qaliph)
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Pope Paul,

Try tending to your own pot's swarthy hue . . . The irony is now doubly so.

Jeske's In-House Band - Another Business Venture
For Church and Change

Question from a WELS member:

"What do you think about WELS churches hosting CD releasing events (and, of course, charging admission)? Is there anything unscriptural about this practice?"

GJ - It is Scriptural. Jesus drove the money-changers from the Temple courtyard, made a whip of His belt, poured out the coins, and overturned tables. "You have turned the House of God into a den of thieves!"

KJV Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

People can serve in many ways, but Lutherans have always discouraged turning such service into money-making ventures. Thrivent paved the way, turning the worship bulletin into one more ad for a product. Maybe Koine should wear Thrivent shirts to thank the bosses in Appleton. The tentacles of Church and Change, where Jeske is the allegedly invisible boss, reach everywhere, into the LCMS as well.

Common Language, Common People, Extraordinary Message

Koiné's humble roots originate in the heartland of America, in a city known for its rich German history, its famous barley and hops, and many festivals - Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It's here that five unique artists, each with their own talents and abilities, came together in 2003 to put a new twist on traditional, Lutheran music. Staring at each other, blankly, with their instruments in one hand and their hymnals in the other, Koiné set about reinventing the way we listen to hymns.

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To date, Koiné has toured across 32 states since its inception, producing 4 studio albums and a repertoire of over 200 hymns and liturgical pieces. They sell their CD’s all over the world in places as far Germany, Australia and Hong Kong. This year alone, Koiné will play around 200 events at churches, community festivals, grade schools, high schools, and colleges. This is a full-time ministry for the members of the group, and is supported almost entirely by the generosity of people who come to their events.

The group consists of: Brian Davison - singer, Tracy Fedke - singer, Seth Bauer - piano, Seth Kock - drums, Benj Lawrenz - guitar, and Matt Scott - Bass.

Koiné is a Greek word that means “common.” Koiné Greek was the language that the New Testament was originally written in. It was a common language for the common man - everyone could understand it. The members of Koiné are common people too. They play common instruments and common hymns that many know and enjoy. The only extraordinary thing about Koiné and what they do is the message that they proclaim through the music they play. The same message of the Bible - Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Jeske's In-House Band - Another Business Venture F...":

One of the many problems with generic Christianity in this country is the failure to draw boundaries around activities that are deemed to be churchy. Koine's performances during worship services is a good example of this. A Divine Service meant that at most times, the organ and other instruments were behind the worshipers. They were there, but not central to the Divine Service. The worshipers should see the altar and the cross. This is central to the message. Orchestra pits in the front and praise bands within view are a distraction.

Koine performed a benefit concert once for our son in an ALHS gymnasium. This is a more appropriate venue for them.