bored has left a new comment on your post "Come On, WELS - I Have the Graphics You Need To Co...":
Howdy Brett.
If you wanna go on record saying the WELS, LCMS etc are not Christian churches I suppose that's up to you.
Since you're not claiming that these churches are devoid of Christians perhaps you ought to consider your choice of words. There are plenty of churches of every denomination in which true justification is being taught (despite however much the pastor thinks he believes UOJ). To those churches, the "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" attitude will look arrogant and ridiculous, because it is, and because their experience with the WELS (for example) is something far different than yours: you see far more of the seedy and heterodox "intelligencia" who work tirelessly to corrupt truth than do ten average welsmen.
Jesus spoke in a totally different way to the woman at the well than he did to the pharisees. We sinners can take note of that, and add on several more tons of humility because we each are corrupt. It is possible to be kind without degrading the substance of what you're saying. And being charitable and sensitive is not attempting to usurp the Efficacy from the Word.
It's neither charitable nor accurate to say that there are no Christian Churches in the WELS or LCMS or the Roman Church. Better than telling a Roman Catholic or WELsian that technically they aren't Christian, would be to gently show them how their church departs from Scripture.
Save the edicts and the ire for the people who are trying to make antichristian churches of the very very many Christian churches.
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GJ - These matters are worth debating.
Ichabod is devoted to discussing apostasy, and the Synodical Conference parts are apostate, including the micro-mini splinters. Even the ELS is little more than a splinter, consisting of a dead ice-cream maker, his endowed mini-college, and a few elderly parishes.
Although WELS is officially a UOJ sect, I know from various contacts that church workers reject and repudiate it, just as they reject and repudiate the Church Shrinkage Movement. Wisconsin deviancy is proven by the fact that the Wisconsin Sect persecutes faithful pastors, teachers, and members. The Krohn and Techlin excommunications are two obvious examples, but there are many more.
I have also documented WELS church workers murdering and molesting, a worship professor engaged in drunk driving, and other notorious crimes. Does anyone think I Google the Net for WELS crimes? No, people report the facts and help me document them.
The only proper way to address the problems is to apply the Word in the context of the Lutheran Confessions. That is done in various ways.
Many can only serve as faithful church workers where they are, but they are happy to see their ideas and insights in print. For various reasons, they cannot be out in the open as I am. In the past I used Christian News, which all the synods use, too. But they did not want me to use Christian News to tell the truth.
They really worked overtime to silence me, and the effort continues, poisoning the well. The idea is to make anything associated with me or this blog so toxic that it is dismissed out of hand. The weakness of this gambit is the abundance of Internet evidence. The poor slobs cannot help bragging and posting, so I have the facts in their own words, Tweets, and blogs.
If Brett seems harsh, it may be from his attempts to make up for all the silent Lutherans. Brett's words may remind Lutherans of how little they have done. He went to various clergy to address their perversion of justification. He set up the video services, which have been denounced repeated by... (the pope? ELCA? the UUA? the Babtists?) the "conservative" Lutherans. Doing something positive, even on a modest scale, makes them angry, bitter, and jealous.
But that is the problem with opposing falsehood. The meek compromiser seems to be the harbinger of peace, but he is really the worst trouble-maker, kicking the problems away for a moment, allowing them to return in worse form later.
No one shuns the get-along-go-along guy. They like him and clap him on the back.
Church and Change opponents volunteered me to go to two different C and C conferences. If I had been nearby, I would have gone, for the entertainment value alone. But why did they not go? And if they did, why did they not scream to heaven above? I know the Changers howled in unison, just like a pack of wolves, every time I identified their tactics when I was in WELS. They still snarl, growl, and bite where they can.
Brett Meyer went to Emmaus Conference. He could have excused himself, told me he was too busy. He might have said, "I tried their parishes and gave up." Instead, he helped in the purchase and distribution of 60 books on justification by faith. He spent the time talking to everyone who care to spend the time. Many laity were shocked at the perversion of justification being taught in their synods.
Perhaps if Harrison, Schroeder, and Pope John spent less time denouncing this blog and more time in study and teaching, their members would know more than "Holy Mother Synod is infallible." Harrison, truly the big dog of the three (in money, members, schools) had a chance to have a long discussion with Brett. Instead, Harrison exchanged a few words, glanced at one book, and walked away. Out of touch with the laity, he chose to stay out of touch.
Oh, those danish roll and coffee Thrivent-funded meetings - so much more comfortable, albeit fattening!
If the day came, when people like Brett were in the majority, or at least represented a significant group, the false doctrine would be beaten back and adulterous millionaires would be on the run.
But that has not happened yet, so a few of us will make up for the rest, signing our names, accepting the consequences.
