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Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Agrees with Wayne Mueller about Inventing New Doctrine:
ELCA presiding bishop says church is 'always being made new' - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
ELCA presiding bishop says church is 'always being made new' - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America:
" CHICAGO (ELCA) -- As the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) prepares to celebrate its 25th anniversary in 2013 under the theme "Always being made new," ELCA Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson said the theme embodies far more than the anniversary in his report to the ELCA Conference of Bishops, which met here Oct. 4-9.
The ELCA Conference of Bishops is an advisory body of this church that includes 65 synod bishops, the presiding bishop and secretary. The Rev. Jessica R. Crist, bishop of the ELCA Montana Synod, chairs the conference."
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Read the Formula of Concord To Celebrate the Reformation - Instead of O'Hare, Buchholz, and Olson
Daryl Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Jack Cascione Dusts Off the Iron Maiden and Polish...":
Oh to have been a fly on the wall when Rydecki answered the ultimatum; the parallels to the Diet of Worms are uncanny! People have long noted the WELS' "Lift High the Cash" Tetzels, and now they have their very own Eck.
How fitting that this should all transpire as we approach the anniversary of the Reformation! Rydecki's quotes are priceless because they beg one to read further in order to understand the entire context. I won't mention the Ambrose quote since you've recently tackled it (yet again!), but what follows after the FC SD quote can likewise never bear enough emphasis because it provides a very simple and succinct summary of our Christian faith from atonement to repentance, faith, justification, sanctification, preservation, and everlasting life. Every confirmation student should memorize these eight points:
Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration, XI, Election.
1. That the human race is truly redeemed and reconciled with God through Christ, who, by His faultless (innocency) obedience, suffering, and death, has merited for us the righteousness which avails before God, and eternal life.
2. That such merit and benefits of Christ shall be presented, offered, and distributed to us through His Word and Sacraments.
3. That by His Holy Ghost, through the Word, when it is preached, heard, and pondered, He will be efficacious and active in us, convert hearts to true repentance, and preserve them in true faith.
4. That He will justify all those who in true repentance receive Christ by a true faith, and will receive them into grace, the adoption of sons, and the inheritance of eternal life.
5. That He will also sanctify in love those who are thus justified, as St. Paul says. Eph. 1, 4.
6. That He also will protect them in their great weakness against the devil, the world, and the flesh, and rule and lead them in His ways, raise them again (place His hand beneath them), when they stumble, comfort them under the cross and in temptation, and preserve them (for life eternal).
7. That He will also strengthen, increase, and support to the end the good work which He has begun in them, if they adhere to God's Word, pray diligently, abide in God's goodness (grace), and faithfully use the gifts received.
8. That finally He will eternally save and glorify in life eternal those whom He has elected, called, and justified.
Your illustration of Luther's Gal. 3:13 commentary from LW 26 is one of my favorites. His commentary of Gal. 2:15,16 in the Kregel edition is similar: But where Christ and faith be not, there is no remission or covering of sins, but imputation of sins and condemnation.
A very blessed Reformation to one and all!
Which Places Would Be Deadly for WELS Pastors' Post-Graduate Study?
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Craig Groeschel is the theologian of Fox Valley, WELS. |
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Screaming and shouting are poor substitutes for the Word of God. |
Fuller Seminary? - Nope. Valleskey, Bivens, Olson, Kelm, and many others advanced their careers with study at Fuller Seminary. All the American missions people were sent there by WELS, and doubtless the world mission guys too. Ask Brazil about Richard Starr's video-tape evangelism, because traditional methods were too slow for him. Hint - learning the language really helps.
Trinity in Deerfield? - Nope. WELS spent so much offering money there that Trinity mentioned The Love Shack twice in bragging about support from other denominations.
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Witte carries out the Church and Change mission in Asia, as he did in Fox Valley - twice. |
Brandeis? - Nope. John Lawrenz, another early Church and Changer, earned a real doctorate there. "Everything has to change" was a sermon he gave long before Brian McLaren.
Willow Creek? - Nope. WELS routinely sent its mission pastors to Willow Creek to learn how its done. Your offering money at work. Several WELS congregations were outed at Willow Creek Association members, a small indication of the unionism of WELS.
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Where did all those women ministers come from? McGavran |
Andy Stanley's Gay Lib Training Camps? - Nope. Ski and Bishop Katy bragged that eight (8) WELS workers were there for training. Ski also boasted that he could have attended the WELS conference in Atlanta, where Deutschlander spoke, but no, he was there for Stanley.
Every wonder why Stanley looks so sad in all his photos? I do.
Leonard Sweet? - Nope. When Kelm sponsored Sweet for a Church and Change buzzerei, which was heavily attended and supported by WELS. In fact, WELS offering money financed the start of Church and Change.
Denver Babtist? - Nope. John Parlow got his drive-by degree there. He was a member of the Willow Creek ministerium. He went to the Stanley worship conferences. He loves every denomination but his own, but that never hurt him one little bit.
Mark Driscoll? - Nope. Ski and Tim Glende went to be trained by the cussing pastor, pretending they were at a WELS conference in the worship bulletin. There were no WELS conferences.
Andy Beeson? - Nope. Ski and Bishop Katy went to the Granger Community Church for more training. Obviously this was not virgin territory for WELS, since a former member of Jeske's church (where Ski and Katy worked together) greeted them. She had joined Granger and was happy to see them at the conference. Twitter is a tattle-tale.
Concordia, St. Louis? - Nope. Paul Calvin Kelm got a drive-by DMin in Church Growth there. Kelm is also a double-dipper, with study at Fuller and heaven knows how many other schools of Enthusiasm.
Union Consortium, Ohio? - Nope. Richard Krause went there for a drive-by DMin, supervised by Larry Olson, his Church Growth buddy, who got his drive-by from Fuller Seminary.
Groeschel-Stanley? - Ski and Glende went to one of those joint conferences, I believe. They are smitten with both men, whether they saw them on the same day or not.
Ed Stetzer? - Church and Change invited him to head up one of their conferences. Missouri did the same, and Stetzer bragged about it while making fun of Lutheran doctrine. I kept posting about this travesty, and WELS kept denying it was happening until it was canceled.
Exponential? - Kudu Don Patterson was only a district vice-president when he took five workers to Exponential. I believe that was where Stetzer was hired to speak for Church and Change. Patterson has denied being a Church and Changer, but he went to their "last" conference and spoke at another one. The district rewarded Don with elevation to District President, even though he is loathed far and wide as a nasty little man.
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Parlow, Jeske, Kelm, Patterson. Mequon asked Kelm and Patterson to help them guide future pastors in their training. As the teenagers say, "Seriously?" |
Conclusion
If you want to get ahead in WELS, study with the worst false teachers and adopt their anti-Biblical doctrine and methods. You will go far, young man.
Look for Sermon Series with Clever Titles - Emergent Church Copycats
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Babtist gay activist Andy Stanley and WELS Pastor Ski, of The CORE. Ski and Tim Glende routinely copy sermons, graphics, promos from Enthusiasts, because they too are Enthusiasts. |
quercuscontramalum (http://quercuscontramalum.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Emergent Church Going Gay Lib. Brian McLaren's Son...":
Andy Stanley recently appeared on Joyce Meyer's program and stated the following,
"We can be who (sic) God made us to be. We don't have to shrink back from that. And that the roles in marriage, perhaps as they're traditionally portrayed, may not be an accurate snapshot of how God wants our giftedness to work in marriage."
It would be simple enough for a pastor to affirm that married couples may - in Christian liberty - decide which household duties best fit each other. However, Stanley places himself above Scripture, deciding which words don't mean what they mean.
"Yea, hath God said?"
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GJ - When slackers like Tim Glende, Ski, Jeff Gunn, and Rick Johnson slavishly copy the Emergent Church--with the blessing of their supervisors--they are just admitting their lack of faith in God's Word.
Anyone can read the statement above and realize Andy Stanley is so far up the National Council of Churches staircase that he can see the SynCon mission boards.
The gutlessness of the SynCon pastors has made my head spin, ever since 1987. One can see them shrinking every time a doctrinal topic comes up.
Do not be surprised that SynCon hero Herman Otten is now selling a bigoted anti-Luther book. Years ago he began selling Valleskey's Church Growth Halleluia Chorus...and UOJ primer.
Valleskey, as an anti-Luther bigot, was more dangerous than Otten's favorite Catholic priest, O'Hare.
Now things have regressed to the point where WELS can entertain the notion of adopting and promoting the New NIV.
Luther said that the Roman Empire tolerated every god except the One True God - Jesus. WELS discusses every possible translation except the best one, from Luther's own student - the King James Version.
The more the sacraments are watered down, as they are in the old and new NIV, the less people trust in the Word of God.
That is what the SynCon leaders want, so people trust in man's wisdom rather than God's. After all, man's wisdom can change on a moment's notice. God's wisdom does not.
Brian McLaren and Andy Stanley - The Heroes of Emergent Church Growth -
Slavishly Followed by WELS, LCMS, ELS.
AKA Missional or Becoming Missional
McCained from Wikipedia:
I don’t believe making disciples must equal making adherents to the Christian religion. It may be advisable in many (not all!) circumstances to help people become followers of Jesus and remain within their Buddhist, Hindu or Jewish contexts … rather than resolving the paradox via pronouncements on the eternal destiny of people more convinced by or loyal to other religions than ours, we simply move on … To help Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, and everyone else experience life to the full in the way of Jesus (while learning it better myself), I would gladly become one of them (whoever they are), to whatever degree I can, to embrace them, to join them, to enter into their world without judgment but with saving love as mine has been entered by the Lord (A Generous Orthodoxy, 260, 262, 264).
And....
"Even if we are convinced that all homosexual behavior is always sinful, we still want to treat gay and lesbian people with more dignity, gentleness, and respect than our colleagues do. If we think that there may actually be a legitimate context for some homosexual relationships, we know that the biblical arguments are nuanced and multilayered, and the pastoral ramifications are staggeringly complex. We aren't sure if or where lines are to be drawn, nor do we know how to enforce with fairness whatever lines are drawn."
And...
"Our interpretations reveal less about God or the Bible than they do about ourselves. They reveal what we want to defend, what we want to attack, what we want to ignore, what we're unwilling to question..." (A New Kind of Christian, 50)
Remember Rob Bell, the apostate "evangelist" who rejected Christian doctrine in Love Wins? McLaren defended Rob Bell - and why not? - McLaren teaches the same Universalism while denying he is a Universalist!
More of McLaren's ravings are quoted here.
Sound familiar WELS fans?
The Church Growth Movement, which was centered at Fuller Seminary (training ground for most LCMS, WELS, ELCA, and ELS leaders) has morphed or metastasized into Emergent Church/Becoming Missional.
ELCA pastors probably put up more fuss about Church Growth than the other Lutheran groups put together. They cross-referenced each other, too. They left ELCA in disgust and joined the Church of Rome, which also uses Church Growth methods. Justice! Neuhaus is a prime example of hating Church Growth, saying some good things against it (Ad Fontes Conference, attended by the Ichabods), and joining Rome.
But WELS and Missouri "conservatives" said nothing and did nothing while heavily promoting Church Growth and participating with ELCA in Church Growth projects like the Thrivent Church Membership Initiative.
By emasculating themselves, the "conservative" clergy and laity left the field wide open for the next stage of Church Growth - Emergent Church under such leaders as McLaren, Andy Stanley, and Mark Driscoll.
Emergent Church/Missional Characteristics
- The parish avoids the denominational name and even the word "church" - as in The CORE, CrossWalk, CrossRoads.
- The clergypersons (including women pastors) dress like they are going to change the oil in their jalopy, as if they dug the clothes out of the hamper or the rag bin.
- No liturgy, sound hymns, or creeds in the service.
- The sermon is replaced by a rant - cussing is really cool and edgy.
- Music is loud, ecclesiatical rock.
- Lighting is modeled after rock concert extravaganzas.
- Doctrinal content is marketed as inclusive, but it is really covert Universalism, lacking the Law and making fun of faith (perfect for the UOJ Hive).
- Cell groups are essential, mandated, but sound doctrine is a burden, an obstacle.
- Pulpit views are consistently on the far Left on all social issues - in the name of love.
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Ski posted his account of worship at the Drive conference for many years. I copied most of it into this blog. Here is what Stanley said about his gay outreach: http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2012/05/mentor-to-ski-glende-parlow-buske-and.html |
Kelmed from Ichabod at this link:
WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:
WHO WENT THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW?
Pastor Ski - St. Marcus - Milwaukee
Pastor John Parlow - St. Mark - Depere
Pastor Jim Buske - Lighthouse Youth Center - Milwaukee
HOW LONG WERE WE THERE?
May 3rd - May 7th
WHERE WAS THE CONFERENCE?
North Point (Babtist) Church, Alpharetta, GA
FAVORITE PART OF THE CONFERENCE:
Final Main Session with Andy Stanley
FAVORITE BREAK OUT SESSION:
A Healthy Staff Culture
- Jeff Henderson
FAVORITE QUOTE FROM DRIVE ‘08
“Leaders don’t get people, they attract them”
- Andy Stanley
DRIVE ’08 JOURNAL
DRIVE ’08 JOURNAL
Whew! Day 5, it has been a heck of a road trip. Today was the last day. As you can see it was jam packed. Before I get into Day 5... Let me just say this, “We should have sat in traffic to go to the Brown Bridge Campus!” Buske & I were bitter. Remember that I had said John got frustrated sitting the parking lot for 30 minutes? So we went to dinner & called it a night. Well, on Day 5 they showed the video for what happened at Brown Bridge. Sweet cookout, the food looked awesome, games and fellowship outside (without snow or cold, I might add) and then a surprise JEFF FOXWORTHY show. Man, how are they gonna top that next year?
Anyway, Day 5. It is kind of crazy, just when you think it can’t get any better, it does. Well, sort of. In the morning they had Q & As for different groups. I went to one that was about linking adults into small group studies. It was well done, but for me it is difficult because everyone is looking for concrete answers on how to solve their own personal small group issues. Many of the questions didn’t apply for us at St. Marcus. However, the leaders were great and had a ton of info.
My final breakout session was entitled Parental Guidance Required. The leader was Clay Scroggins. He kind of looked like Steve James (he’s a St. Marcus member, Steve that is) but he talked with a Texas drawl. He was high energy. Based on his presentation and his passion for kids, I imagine that he rocked it out with kids. The gist of his session was that what happens in the home has a greater influence on the spiritual life of children than what happens at church. Based on that it becomes imperative that parents & the church partner. Here are the steps that North Point uses:
- 1.Inform Parents - inform them about what is being taught to their children.
- 2.Partner With Parents - invite parents to be in an environment with their children.
- 3.Equip Parents - provide parents with the tools to assist in the spiritual development of their children.
Pretty good points and a really good session.
After that session we broke for lunch. John took off for the airport, so Buske and I were on our own. That might sound a little scary, but it is true.
The final Main Session with Andy Stanley was just phenomenal. We began with awesome worship. Today though, they began with a Christian rapper, Toby Mac. Our school kids would have loved it. I’m not sure that they would have believed that it was church though.
When Andy began his session. He started by saying that he was not going to follow his notes in the Drive ’08 Journal Book. Instead he was going to do something that he called, “Recent Random Thoughts On Church Leadership.” He shared 5 points and 5 takeaways. I think that he was at his absolute best this afternoon. Here are the 5 point & takeaways:
- 1.To reach people no one else is reaching we must do things no one else is doing.
Takeaway - Become preoccupied with those you haven’t reached as opposed to those you keep. This is easier said than done.
Wow, it seems so simple. And yet so hard.
- 2.The next generation product almost never comes from the previous generation.
Takeaway - Be a student not a critic.
What more can be said? How do we approach things? When things are different & involve change are we scared? Do we criticize or do we look to learn and implement?
- 3.What do I believe is impossible to do in my field? But if it could be done it would fundamentally change my business.
Takeaway - Pay attention to the people who are breaking the rules.
Crazy sounding isn’t it? We can fight technology and change, but in the end it will pass us and we will become archaic and irrelevant. Not our Message, but the manner in which we present it. Who would have ever thought texting would be as big as it is? How about multi-site church? Video church? These are all things that have changed how we worship.
- 4.If we got kicked out & the board brought in a new CEO what would they do? Why shouldn’t we walk out the door & then come back in & do it ourselves?
Takeaway - Acknowledge what is NOT working & own up to why you are unwilling to change it.
Some thoughts on this - rarely does the church (in general) get concerned about change until they run out of money. What if we asked some questions before it was too late?
- a.What’s in decline?
- b.Where are we manufacturing energy? In other words pretending something is important. An example would be if I continued to say that Bible Study was important, but never attended. I’m blowing hot air, “manufacturing energy.” I don’t believe that anyone wants to stand behind that or get involved in something like that.
- c.Finally, when are we going to unearth all underlying assumptions? Sometimes, what we assume, is not the reality. Are we willing to dig to find out the truth or are we happy with assuming?
- 5.When your memories exceed your dreams the end is near.
Takeaway - Don’t let success or momentum overshadow your vision. Keep the out front.
How quickly can we be satisfied? How often do we look at things and say, “Well, it’s not great but it is better than such and such church.” Scary, but we sometimes fool ourselves into thinking like this. Some questions to ponder:
- a.What the burden on your heart? (sic, yo)
- b.What breaks your heart?
That was it. After that Andy just ended and prayed for all the people there & for there ministries. As you can see from the pictures above, Buske & I got to get a picture with Andy, pretty cool. He is way down to earth. His wife Sandra was there also and she is just great. We actually got to talk to her a little more than Andy. You also notice John with the North Point member who played Bender in one of their sermon series called “Twisted”. The series was all about how Satan twists God’s Word. Finally, there is a photo of Buske & Todd Fields. I’m a little bitter about that one, but you’ll need to ask me why.
Thanks to everyone who read this while I was gone. Be looking for some cool stuff that we will be implementing at St. Marcus, especially in Sunday Night. Thanks also for all the patience. Writing this thing mostly between 1 AM & 2 AM means that there are probably a ton spelling and grammar mistakes. I can’t wait to see you guys on Sunday. Check out the Picture Page for some added photos from Drive ’08.
I’m out!
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The CORE, which is only an evening service, has not grown at all in three years or more. |
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Jeske connects all the dots. He is all about Change and all about Jeske. |
Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Emergent Church Going Gay Lib.
Brian McLaren's Son Marries Same-Sex Partner.
Brian McLaren's Son Marries Same-Sex Partner:
By Audrey Barrick , Christian Post Reporter
September 25, 2012|5:17 pm
The son of author and speaker Brian McLaren, who is often identified as part of the controversial emergent church, married his same-sex partner this past weekend.
Trevor Douglas McLaren, 28, wed Owen Patrick Ryan on Saturday in Washington, according to The New York Times. The marriage ceremony was officiated by a Universal Life minister, and his father, Brian McLaren, led a commitment ceremony with "traditional Christian elements" afterward.
The elder McLaren recently recalled to NPR the time his son – one of four sons – came out to him.
It had just been a couple of years when McLaren shifted his thinking and abandoned the traditional view of homosexuality being a sin that he grew up with.
"I had gone through my change in this view before I ever guessed that any of my kids might be gay," he said on the radio program.
"I was a good kid, I believed what I'd been told. And as a pastor, I started having gay people come out to me and what became clearer and clearer to me is that their experience was not explained by the theology I inherited," he explained. "And that it would be unjust to continue to uphold what I'd been taught. Maybe I could say it like this: My call to love God and love my neighbor was in conflict with what I'd been taught the Bible required me to say and do."
Recalling the time his son came out to him, McLaren stated, "So I went through that shift in my own thinking. Couple of years after that, when I really in some ways come out myself as a person who no longer supported the traditional view and one of my sons came out to me, I just remember I cried and cried because my thought is 'Oh no, if my son has been going through the same kind of pain so many other people did and I didn't know it, I just couldn't live with that.'"
To his relief, he said, his son Trevor never worried about his parents accepting him.
McLaren is the author of A New Kind of Christianity and most recently Why Did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha and Mohammed Cross the Road?. Decades ago, he and a number of pastors had started what was called the emerging church movement to reach young people. But that later became divided as some pastors, including Mark Driscoll, left over theological concerns.
Matthew Schmitz, deputy editor of First Things, summed up McLaren's journey in an article Tuesday: "Brian McLaren started out wanting to reach the unchurched end up performing a commitment ceremony that stood outside the church not only physically (at the Woodend Sanctuary of the Audubon Naturalist Society in Chevy Chase, Md) but also doctrinally - in contravention of clearly delineated Christian teaching on the nature of sex and marriage. His desire for a more authentic and less abstracted faith took him away from the concrete body of Christ."
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Brian McLaren Leads Commitment Ceremony At Son's Same-Sex Wedding
McLaren family wedding ceremony included "traditional Christian elements."
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Brian McLaren, author of A New Kind of Christian and a prominent Christian speaker, led a non-traditional marriage commitment ceremonythis weekend, according to The New York Times.
Held at the Audubon Naturalist Society in Chevy Chase, Maryland, this ceremony included "traditional Christian elements," but no bride. And the groom—one of them—was McLaren's son, Trevor McLaren. The Timesreports that Trevor McLaren wed Owen Ryan Saturday in Washington, D.C., followed by the afternoon commitment ceremony.
Brian McLaren, who formerly was chair of the board for Sojourners, is among a minority of evangelical progressives who advocate that the church should abandon heterosexism and move toward reconciliationwith homosexuals.
CT has previously covered Brian McLaren, including reviews of his book Everything Must Change and The Secret Message of Jesus, and the emergent church, with which McLaren has been associated.
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October 23, 2012
Pastor
Suspended for False Doctrine by WELS but Honored in LCMS
In an era of
declining Lutheranism we see a spark of vitality in the Wisconsin Synod
suspending Pastor Paul Rydecki from its clergy roster for the nearly extinct
charge of false doctrine. While two-thirds of Lutherans in American are
accepting homosexual clergy (ELCA) and Christian News publishes reports of open
false doctrine in the LCMS in nearly every issue, suspension for false doctrine
in the WELS has a medieval tone. The WELS has not issued any official public
charges but there has been a lot of writing on the subject.
Rydecki’s
defenders tend to ignore the importance of correct doctrine and define love as
permissiveness. The medical profession would like to have surgical patients cut
them as much slack as laity give pastors who are still coming to grips with
doctrinal terms?
[GJ - Jack has a rich fantasy life. There is no relationship between the truth and the description above.]
[GJ - Jack has a rich fantasy life. There is no relationship between the truth and the description above.]
Christian News Published the
Story
The October 15
issue of Christian News reports Rydecki wrote: “only those who believe in Jesus
are justified before God.” This statement needs more explanation. Rydecki
leaves the door open for the false doctrine that faith causes salvation rather
than divine grace. Faith doesn’t cause salvation any more than soil around seed
makes the rain fall. “My faith looks up to Thee Thou lamb of Calvary” only
takes place after conversion.
The Wisconsin
Synod California-Arizona district president Jon Buchholz recently suspended
Pastor Rydecki from the WELS clergy roster because he refuses to teach the
doctrine of Objective Justification. The average layperson has no idea what
that is. Rydecki could clear up the entire controversy by simply agreeing that
the world is declared righteous in Christ.
[GJ - There you have it, the Walther-Pieper-Rambach-Webber absolution of the world. David Becker reported the story sympathetically, because many people think UOJ is hogwash.]
What is
Objective Justification?
The layperson who doesn’t know what
justification means has not been reading the Bible nor (sic) understands what happened
at the Reformation. The words justify, justification, and
justified appear in the KJV New Testament 40 times. Being justified
means being declared righteous before God through faith by the merits of Christ
on the cross. Objective Justification means the world is justified by Christ’s
payment on the cross for all its sins. It does not mean the world has faith and
everyone is going to heaven. The term Subjective Justification applies to those
who believe and trust that Christ paid for their sins.
[GJ - In other words, to justify means to be declared righteous, and that is never, ever applied to unbelievers. If you have Attention Deficit Disorder, the paragraph above makes sense.]
[GJ - In other words, to justify means to be declared righteous, and that is never, ever applied to unbelievers. If you have Attention Deficit Disorder, the paragraph above makes sense.]
What Did
Luther Say About This?
Without using the terms objective or
subjective justification Luther describes the distinction between these two
doctrines as follows:
“Even he who
does not believe that he is free and his sins forgiven shall also learn, in due
time, how assuredly his sins were forgiven, even though he did not believe it…
He who does not accept what the keys give receives, of course, nothing. But
that is not the key’s fault. Many do not believe the gospel, but this does not
mean that the gospel is not true or effective. A king gives you a castle. If
you do not accept it, then it is not the king’s fault, nor is he guilty of a
lie. But you have deceived yourself and the fault is yours. The king certainly
gave it.” (LW 40, 366ff)
Luther’s point
here is that divine grace is resistible. There are untold numbers of p eople
going to eternal damnation because they reject God’s saving grace in Jesus
Christ. On the other hand, no one has the power to make a decision to believe
in Jesus Christ. The question of why some are saved and not others, according
to the Lutheran Confessions, cannot be answered and is only in God’s secret
counsel. The Gospel is God’s gracious offer of salvation through faith in
Christ.
[GJ - UOJ Stormtroopers have a quia subscription to this Luther quotation about the objective truth of the atonement. He is not saying that unbelievers are forgiven. He explicitly denies that in countless places well known to any literate Lutheran (i.e.- not Cascione, not McCain, not Rolf Preus, not John Moldstad, not Jon Buchholz, not SP Mark Schroeder).They never quote the Large Catechism, where Luther clearly opposes their dogma.]
[GJ - UOJ Stormtroopers have a quia subscription to this Luther quotation about the objective truth of the atonement. He is not saying that unbelievers are forgiven. He explicitly denies that in countless places well known to any literate Lutheran (i.e.- not Cascione, not McCain, not Rolf Preus, not John Moldstad, not Jon Buchholz, not SP Mark Schroeder).They never quote the Large Catechism, where Luther clearly opposes their dogma.]
What Does the
Bible Say?
Anyone who sees a contradiction between,
“Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world” (John
1:29) and “by grace are you saved through faith” (Eph. 2:8) does
not have a correct understanding of the Gospel. The Bible says in numerous
verses that God has forgiven the sins
of the world:
John 3:16 For
God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever
believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John
3:16
2 Corinthians
5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto
us the word of reconciliation. 2Co5:19
1Peter 3:18 For
Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order
that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made
alive in the spirit;
1John 2:2 and He
Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but
also for those of the whole world.
John 4:42,
2Peter 2:20, and 1John 4:14 all declared that Christ is the savior of the
world. Rydecki makes us doubt if Christ succeeded. Rydecki places a wedge
between God’s forgiveness, love, reconciliation, death in Christ, propitiation
for the sins of the world and God declaring the world righteous in Christ. How
can the world be forgiven, reconciled, loved, and benefit from Christ’s
propitiation for its sins, and not be justified by God? Or does God only love
the believers?
[GJ - Only Jack could take the Little Gospel, John 3:16, and turn it inside-out into UOJ. The rest of his special pleading is equally inane. Has he read the book that Rydecki translated? I doubt it.]
[GJ - Only Jack could take the Little Gospel, John 3:16, and turn it inside-out into UOJ. The rest of his special pleading is equally inane. Has he read the book that Rydecki translated? I doubt it.]
What do the
Lutheran Confessions say?
"That through
Christ the human race is truly redeemed and reconciled with God, who, by
His faultless obedience, suffering, and death, has merited for us the
righteousness which avails before God, and eternal life." FC, SD, Election. Par.
15, Tappert 619
“Our
righteousness rests n either upon his [Christ’s] divine nature nor upon his
human nature but upon the entire person of Christ, who as God and man in his
sole, total, as perfect obedience is
our righteousness.” FC, SD, Righteousness, Par. 549, Tappert
549
If Christ is not
the righteousness of unbelievers, it is not possible to become a
believer.
Evidence
against Rydecki
Consider some of
the evidence that Pastor Rydecki is confused on the doctrine of justific
ation.
1. “The
Confessions do not speak of a sense in which all sinners have already been
justified before God whether they believe in Christ or not, nor do I believe the
Scriptures to teach such a thing, yet such is commonly heralded among Lutherans
today as the ‘central teaching of the Bible.’” (Rev. Paul Rydecki, "Do We Want
To Be Dresden Lutherans?" P.10)
2. From "The
Biblical Doctrine of Justification on One Page:" by Paul Rydecki
“God credits the
righteousness of Christ only to those who believe in Jesus, and thus
justifies only those w ho believe in Jesus. (John 3:16-18, 36; Luke 18:14; Acts
13:39; Rom. 3:26; 4:5; 10:10; Gal. 2:16; Phil. 3:8-9)”
3. Pastor
Rydecki preached a sermon titled: "Faith is the difference between those who are
justified and those who are not."
4. The Wisconsin
California Arizona District President asked Pastor Rydecki to answer two
questions and Rydecki refused to give direct answers.
1) “Did God
forgive the sins of the world when Jesus died on the cross?”
Rydecki’s
Answer: Yes. "He forgave to all people the sin, which no one could avoid." AP,
IV, 103
2) “Has God
justified all sinners for the sake of Christ?”
Rydecki’s
Answer: Yes. "The human race is truly redeemed and reconciled with God through
Christ." FC, SD, Election, 15
5. Pastor Rydecki is the translator (from
the original Latin) of a 16th century, recently published book available
from Amazon: “Theses Opposed to Huberianism: A Defense of the Luther an Doctrine
of Justification” [Paperback] Aegidius
Hunnius (Author). In this translation Rydecki
shows that Hunnius, a follower of Luther, rejected the teachings of objective
justification. However, in the opinion of many, including this author, Rydecki
has misrepresented Hunnius’ position.
[GJ - Cascione does not understand the Scriptures, the Means of Grace, the efficacy of the Word, the doctrine of the Holy Spirit, the Book of Concord, or the post-Concord era. QED, he is equally expert on Hunnius and Huber.]
[GJ - Cascione does not understand the Scriptures, the Means of Grace, the efficacy of the Word, the doctrine of the Holy Spirit, the Book of Concord, or the post-Concord era. QED, he is equally expert on Hunnius and Huber.]
Ryd ecki
Courted by LCMS Sacerdotalists
Rydecki, an exceptional parish scholar,
wants to be a Dresden Lutheran. This is his term for the Lutherans who migrated
from Dresden Germany to the United States beginning in the late 1830’s. The
Dresden Lutherans were also practicing extreme Sacerdotalism, meaning that if
the pastor didn’t have the sacrament of ordination, the Gospel, Baptism, and
Lord’s Supper would not be effective. LCMS sacerdotalists (also known as
Hyper-Euro-Lutherans who want to revive pre-Walther European Sacerdotalism)
publish Gottesdienst. They recently honored Rydecki with “The Saber of
Boldness” for his stance against the Church Growth Movement. Depending on
which LCMS or WELS church one visits today, the pastor may appear in a polo
shirt and conduct the service like a YMCA camp counselor with a backup praise
band and/or vocalist. Rydecki’s bold stand against church growth has drawn him
to the LCMS sacerdotal movement that views the clergy as the 4th means of grace. Martin Stephan used to call
himself the chief mediator of the means of grace. The LCMS sacerdotalists’
mantra is “Where the bishop is, there the church is also.”
[GJ - Papal promoter Paul McCain was a frequent posted on LQ until recently. He was also on Tim Gende's Emergent Church blog. Pope Paul Without a Call gets around, and gets banned.]
The LCMS Went
Through This in 1981
Christ's
words from the cross, “Father forgive them” mean Jesus prayed that God forgive
the whole world. However, I once heard Walter Maier II, back in January of
1981, tell an audience that “Father forgive them” means only those who have
faith, such as the one thief on the cross and the centurion. Rydeki has placed
himself in the same corner. Either Rydecki is going to agree that when God
forgives people they are also justified or that when Jesus spoke the words
“Father forgiven them” He was only speaking about the thief on the cross and the
centurion.
LCMS President
J. A. O. Preus published his opposition to Maier’s teaching in the “Lutheran
Witness Reporter” which led to the election of Ralph Bohlmann as LCMS President
instead of Maier. The LCMS Council of District Presiden ts has long since
decided to avoid doctrinal issues and turn LCMS congregations into hymnbook free
zones and entertainment venues.
In general,
church bodies today who indulge in doctrinal discipline are viewed as arcane
anachronists, hardly the stuff of praise bands and hootenanny worship. In other
words, doctrinal discipline is bad for business. But then, what about truth?
Ten of the Apostles were executed. If a church body is called to pick up its
cross and follow after Christ, defense of the doctrine of justification is the
highest ground they can walk.
[GJ - The UOJ always forces their argument through false paradoxes. Either they must agree with Jack or they are obvious heretics. Jack earned an A in talking point repetition for this little essay, an F in Biblical exegesis, and a LOL for logic.]
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A. Berean has left a new comment on your post "Jack Cascione Dusts Off the Iron Maiden and Polish...":
Under what Luther says: Luther's Works American Edition, Vol. 25, Lectures on Romans - "God imputes to none but the believer."
So, that's something to consider...
[GJ - The UOJ always forces their argument through false paradoxes. Either they must agree with Jack or they are obvious heretics. Jack earned an A in talking point repetition for this little essay, an F in Biblical exegesis, and a LOL for logic.]
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A. Berean has left a new comment on your post "Jack Cascione Dusts Off the Iron Maiden and Polish...":
Under what Luther says: Luther's Works American Edition, Vol. 25, Lectures on Romans - "God imputes to none but the believer."
So, that's something to consider...
Indeed.
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