Wednesday, June 20, 2012

What Do These Places Have in Common?



  1. Round Rock, Texas.
  2. Indianapolis.
  3. Love's Park.
  4. Appleton.
Answer - each one started a new WELS mission or church near an existing one, making it easy to skim members and waste even more money.

Round Rock is pretty interesting, with DP-elect Patterson and Ex-SP Gurgle scraping up money to build a new parish near Doebler's Round Rock mission congregation. That is how GM became Government Motors, building one franchise after another next to older, existing GM dealers.

Appleton is even funnier. I can imagine Keith Free saying to the bean-counters, "We need to plant a WELS church in Appleton."

"Another one?"

Free - "This is a downtown ministry."

"Another WELS church downtown?"

Free - "Appleton is under-served by WELS."

" But WELS parishes are thicker than flies on buttermilk in Fox Valley."

Free - "Appleton is under-served by Emergent Churches."

"There must be nine there already, including another one in the old WELS church building The CORE is  leaving."

Free - "It is a felt need."

"Whose?"

Free - "Nevermind."

"Another Church and Change money-eater?"
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Answer: None of them.

Three are non-denominational and the fourth claims to be Lutheran in name only - doctrine and practice actually make them non-denominational metho-bapti-penti-newage.

After reading about each it was interesting how similar The Core is with The Mission Church (an honest non-denom).

http://www.themissionchurch.us/#/im-new/who-we-are

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GJ - I sure would like a copy of DP Doug's epic "Clarion Call," justifying plagiarism of Groeschel. His thesis gives away the fact that he approves of Glende and Ski passing off Groeschel's sermons as their own. How can I tell without reading the essay? According to Light from Light, the excuse was this - If the author gives permission to use the material, it is not plagiarism.

That has Groeschel's fingerprints all over it, because Life Church gives people permission to use the sermons, graphics, videos, introductions, etc.

Missing from that essay, do doubt, is the admonition from Groeschel to tell the audience that the sermon is from him. He even warned ministers that some had been fired for not telling the congregation the truth about their source. Imagine that - it could not have been WELS!

The Emergent Church fad is incredibly boring and predictable. They follow a rigid pattern--from the wrinkled jeans and shirt hanging over the belt to the snacks and soda "worship" with a rock band. They all copy each other, never thinking they are preparing the audience for Unitarian Universalism.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/february/11.35.html

False Teachers - According to Luther




"Note the master hand wherewith Paul portrays the character of false teachers, showing how they betray their avarice and ambition. First, they permit true teachers to lay the foundation and perform the labor; then they come and desire to do the work over, to reap the honors and the benefits. They bring about that the name and the work of the true teachers receive no regard and credit; what they themselves have brought--that is the thing. They make the poor simple-minded people to stare open-mouthed while they win them with flowery words and seduce them with fair speeches, as mentioned in Romans 16:18. These are the idle drones that consume the honey they will not and cannot make."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VII, p. 110. Second Sunday before Lent. 2 Corinthians 11:19-33; 12:1-9; Romans 16:18.          

                                 

"And such false teachers have the good fortune that all their folly is tolerated, even though the people realize how these act the fool, and rather rudely at that. They have success with it all, and people bear with them. But no patience is to be exercised toward true teachers! Their words and their works are watched with the intent of entrapping them, as complained of in Psalm 17:9 and elsewhere. When only apparently a mote is found, it is exaggerated to a very great beam. No toleration is granted. There is only judgment, condemnation and scorn. Hence the office of preaching is a grievous one. He who has not for his sole motive the benefit of his neighbor and the glory of God cannot continue therein. The true teacher must labor, and permit others to have the honor and profit of his efforts, while he receives injury and derision for his reward."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VII, p. 110f. Second Sunday before Lent. 2 Corinthians 11:19-33; 12:1-9. Psalm 17:9.

                                         

"In the second place such teachers are disposed to bring the people into downright bondage and to bind their conscience by forcing laws upon them and teaching works-righteousness. The effect is that fear impels them to do what has been pounded into them, as if they were bondslaves, while their teachers command fear and attention. But the true teachers, they who give us freedom of conscience and create us lords, we soon forget, even despise. The dominion of false teachers is willingly tolerated and patiently endured; indeed, it is given high repute. All those conditions are punishments sent by God upon them who do not receive the Gospel with love and gratitude."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VII, p. 111. Second Sunday before Lent. 2 Corinthians 11:19-33; 12:1-9. John 5:43.                                              



"In the third place, false teachers flay their disciples to the bone, and cut them out of house and home, but even this is taken and endured. Such, I opine, has been our experience under the Papacy. But true preachers are even denied their bread. Yet this all perfectly squares with justice! For, since men fail to give unto those from whom they receive the Word of God, and permit the latter to serve them at their own expense, it is but fair they should give the more unto preachers of lies, whose instruction redounds to their injury. What is withheld from Christ must be given in tenfold proportion to the devil. They who refuse to give the servant of truth a single thread, must be oppressed by liars."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VII, p. 111f. Second Sunday before Lent. 2 Corinthians 11:19-33; 12:1-9.



"Fourth, false apostles forcibly take more than is given them. They seize whatever and whenever they can, thus enhancing their insatiable avarice. This, too, is excused in them."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VII, p. 112. Second Sunday before Lent. 2 Corinthians 11:19-33; 12:1-9.                                                    

 The night is far spent, and the day is at hand. "By the word 'night' we are to understand all doctrines apart from the Gospel. For there is no other saving doctrine; all else is night and darkness."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 15f. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14.

  

"Fifth, these deceitful teachers, not satisfied with having acquired our property, must exalt themselves above us and lord it over us...We bow our knees before them, worship them and kiss their feet. And we suffer it all, yes, with fearful reverence regard it as just and right. And it is just and right, for why did we not honor the Gospel by accepting and preserving it?"
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VII, p. 112. Second Sunday before Lent. 2 Corinthians 11:19-33; 12:1-9.  
                                             
                                           

"Sixth, our false apostles justly reward us by smiting us in the face. That is, they consider us inferior to dogs; they abuse us, and treat us as foot-rags."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VII, p. 112. Second Sunday before Lent. 2 Corinthians 11:19-33; 12:1-9.                                                    

                                               

"But, being deceived by the devil, we forsake the light of day and seek to find truth among philosophers and heathen totally ignorant of such matters. In permitting ourselves to be blinded by human doctrines, we return to the night. Whatsoever is not the Gospel day surely cannot be light. Otherwise Paul, and in fact all Scripture, would not urge that day upon us and pronounce everything else night."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 17. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14.          

                                      

"But the only thing that was taught and advocated was: Invoke the Virgin Mary and other saints as your mediators and intercessors; fast often and pray much; make pilgrimages, enter cloisters and become monks, or pay for the saying of many masses and like works. And thus we imagined when we did these things we had merited heaven."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 191. Eighteenth Sunday after Trinity, Matthew 22:34-46.

                                                

"That was the time of blindness when we knew nothing of God's Word, but led ourselves and others into misery by our own idle talk and dreams. And I was one of those who indeed bathed in this sweat or in this bath of anxiety. Therefore let us give heed that we may thoroughly grasp and retain this doctrine, if other fanatics and false spirits wish to attack it, so that we may be fore-armed and learn, while we have the time and the beloved sun again enlightens us, and buy while the market is at our door. For it will come to this when once these lights, which God now gives, have departed, Satan will not take a furlough until he raises up other fanatical spirits to do harm; as he has already commenced to do in many places during our generation. What shall take place after we are gone?"
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 192. Eighteenth Sunday after Trinity, Matthew 22:34-46.                                            

"Paul calls all false spirits bold and proud. Yes, in their filth with their protectors they are proud and impudent, otherwise they are the most cowardly villains that can be found. When they are to appear and answer for their conduct, they cannot produce a single answer. Among themselves they are bold and venture to catch God in His own Word; but when it comes to the test, they simply despair."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 204. Nineteenth Sunday after Trinity, Matthew 9:1-8.                                                  

"Thus Paul rejects the glorying and boasting of the sects over their offices and gifts--they who pretend to be filled with the Spirit and to teach the people correctly, and who make out that Paul and other teachers are of no consequence...More than that, they demand a higher attainment in the Spirit for Gospel ministers, deeming faith, the Sacrament, and the outward office not sufficient."
Sermons of Martin Luther, ed. John Nicolas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VIII, p. 206. Tenth Sunday after Trinity, 1 Corinthians 12:1-11.                                                

"You are either reproaching and cursing Jesus, or praising him and owning him your Lord. If your preaching and teaching fail to point to Christ, something else being offered, and you nevertheless boast of the Spirit, you are already judged: the spirit you boast is not the Holy Spirit, not the true Spirit, but a false one. To it we are not to listen. Rather we are to condemn it to the abyss of hell, as Paul declares, (Galatians 1:8), saying: 'But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any Gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema [damned to Hell].'"
Sermons of Martin Luther, ed. John Nicolas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VIII, p. 206. Tenth Sunday after Trinity, 1 Corinthians 12:1-11; Galatians 1:8.                                                

"The same is true of other factions--the Anabaptists and similar sects. What else do they but slander baptism and the Lord's Supper when they pretend that the external [spoken] Word and outward sacraments do not benefit the soul, that the Spirit alone can do that?"
Sermons of Martin Luther, ed. John Nicolas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VIII, p. 208. Tenth Sunday after Trinity, 1 Corinthians 12:1-11;                                                    

"Flesh and blood are too weak to obtain this glorious confidence; the Holy Spirit is essential. Reason and our own hearts cry out in protest: 'Alas, I am far too evil and unworthy! How could I be proud and presumptuous enough to boast myself the servant of the Lord Jesus Christ?"
Sermons of Martin Luther, ed. John Nicolas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VIII, p. 210. Tenth Sunday after Trinity, 1 Corinthians 12:1-11;                                                    

"Now, Paul's thought here is that nothing should be taught and practiced in the Church but what is unquestionably God's Word. It will not do to introduce or perform anything whatever upon the strength of man's judgment. Man's achievements, man's reasoning and power, are of no avail save in so far as they come from God."
Sermons of Martin Luther, ed. John Nicolas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VIII, p. 229 Twelfth Sunday after Trinity 2 Corinthians 3:4-11.                                                  

"It would indeed be well if Christians generally were to heed this example from the Gospel and use it as a maxim against every doctrine that does not agree with the Word of God."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, II, p. 24. First Sunday after Epiphany Luke 2:41-52.                                                    

"Therefore the Christians, who are the right and dear guests at this wedding, at all times have this comfort that the others who do not belong thereto, that is both persecutors and false brethren, shall not enjoy the same."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, V, p. 250. Twentieth Sunday after Trinity, Matthew 22:1-14.                                                    

"From these two convictions--that they do not know Him and that they persecute and slay His advocates--Christ now passes the judgment that the so-called Church is not the Church. He then concludes that with their false doctrines and persecutions they are both liars and murderers of God and of Christ and of all His saints."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 270. Exaudi John 15:26-16:4.                                                  

"For this reason one should not be too credulous when a preacher comes softly like an angel of God, recommends himself very highly, and swears that his sole aim is to save souls, and says: 'Pax vobis!' For those are the very fellows the devil employs to honey people's mouths. Through them he gains an entrance to preach and to teach, in order that he may afterward inflict his injuries, and that though he accomplish nothing more for the present, he may, at least, confound the people's consciences and finally lead them into misery and despair."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, II, p. 322. Easter Tuesday Luke 24:36-47.                                                

"This title [market house] we should write on all churches in which the Gospel is not preached, for there they mock God, destroy souls, banish the pure Word and establish dens of murder; for he who listens to their words must die."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, IV, p. 328. nth Sunday after Trinity Luke 17:5.                                                    

"It is not enough that we preach correctly, which the hireling can also do; but we must watch over the sheep, that the wolves, false teachers, may not break in, and we must contend for the sheep against the wolves, with the Word of God, even to the sacrifice of our lives. Such are good shepherds, of whom few are found." Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 34. Second Sunday after Easter John 10:11-16.                                                  

"There are other wolves, however, who come to us in sheep's clothing. They are the false prophets, who under the form of pious and religious instruction feed pure poison to the sheep of Christ. Against these Christ warns us, that we may be constantly on our guard, lest with sugar-coated words and flattering religious expressions they mislead us, deceive us, by their cunning, and draw us to themselves, as He says in Matthew 7:15: 'Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.'" Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 35. Second Sunday after Easter John 10:11-16; Matthew 7:15.                                                

"This verse has been explained as having reference to those who climb, by their presumption, into the best church livings through favor and wealth, recommendations or their own power, not obtaining them by regular appointment and authority. And at present the most pious jurists are punishing people for running to Rome after fees and benefices, or after ecclesiastical preferment and offices. This they call simony. The practice is truly deplorable. No one should step into the office and preach from his own presumption and without a commission from those having the authority."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 374. Pentecost Tuesday John 10:1-11.                                                

"Likewise, in the matter of preaching, we must make selection that order may be preserved. But since all who are Christians have authority to preach, what will be the outcome? for women will also want to preach. No so. St. Paul forbids women to put themselves forward as preachers in a congregation of men and says: They should be subject to their husbands."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 375. Pentecost Tuesday 1 Timothy 2:11-12.                                                  

"The world desires such wolf preaching, and is not worthy of anything better since it will not hear nor respect Christ. Hence it is that there are so few true Christians and faithful preachers, always outnumbered by the members of the false church."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 385. Pentecost Tuesday Deuteronomy 29:19.    
                                             

"For nothing can feed or give life to the soul, which is not the doctrine of Christ. Although the hireling does not himself slay and destroy he does not restrain the wolf. Therefore, because you neither point out nor teach this shepherd, you shall not and ought not to be heard, but you shall be shunned as a wolf."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 58f. Second Sunday after Easter John 10:11-16.  
                                               
"And no doctrine is so foolish or disgraceful but that it finds hearers and disciples, as is proven by the experience of the church with so many heresies and divisions. The heathen were reasonable and highly intelligent people, yet we read of them that they worshiped not only cats and storks, but also cabbages and onions, and even a member of the human body. All this comes from the name and delusion that such things are good works and render a service to God. The preacher of such works comes with the reputation and pretense of a shepherd who desires to counsel and direct souls on the way to God."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 59. Second Sunday after Easter John 10:11-16.                                                

"They [the false teachers] fared like a man who looks through a colored glass. Put before such a man whatever color you please, he sees no other color than that of the glass. The fault is not that the right color is not put before him but that his glass is colored differently, as the word of Is. 6:9 puts it: You will see, he says, and yet you will not see it."
What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, II, p. 644. Isaiah 6:9.                                                    

"Thus too, if our confidence is to begin, and we become strengthened and comforted, we must well learn the voice of our Shepherd, and let all other voices go, who only lead us astray, and chase and drive us hither and thither. We must hear and grasp only that article which presents Christ to us in the most friendly and comforting manner possible. So that we can say with all confidence: My Lord Jesus Christ is truly the only Shepherd, and I, alas, the lost sheep, which has strayed into the wilderness, and I am anxious and fearful, and would gladly be good, and have a gracious God and peace of conscience, but here I am told that He is as anxious for me as I am for Him."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, IV, p. 86. Third Sunday after Trinity, Second Sermon Luke 15:1-10.                                              

"Note further, that it is his ministry to which Paul ascribes the preparation of their heart thereon and the inscription which constitutes them 'living epistles of Christ.' He contrasts this ministry with the blind fancies of those fanatics who seek to receive, and dream of having, the Holy Spirit without the oral word; who, perchance, creep into a corner and grasp the Spirit through dreams, directing the people away from the preached Word and visible ministry. But Paul says that the Spirit, through his preaching, has wrought in the hearts of his Corinthians, to the end that Christ lives and is mighty in them."
Sermons of Martin Luther, ed. John Nicolas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VIII, p. p. 226. Twelfth Sunday after Trinity 2 Corinthians 3:4-11; Deuteronomy 6:6-9, 11, 18                                              

Stinky Old Bar Sold for $500-850,000!
Savoy, Illinois Could Use Some of That Loot.
WELS Offering Money Bought the Building

Why not pose with me for a FB photo?


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Reader question: I have driven past Revolution on Franklin Street a couple times recently and noticed that the “available” sign is down. Did somebody lease finally lease the building and what is going to be in there?

Answer: That vacant building at 222 W. Franklin St., at the corner of Superior Street in Appleton, was purchased in a deal that closed Friday.

The new owner is The Core, a church group that previously held services in the former Big Picture theater and then the OuterEdge Stage in downtown Appleton.

The Core is an outreach ministry of St. Peter Lutheran Church in Freedom.

“We’re not a standalone congregation. We’re a second campus,” said campus pastor Jim Skorzewski, who is known as Pastor Ski. “The Revolution building fell into our lap. It’s been a blessing.”

His congregation tends to be on the young side, mostly under age 35. Worship includes live bands. The Core will continue to hold its Sunday evening worship services at OuterEdge until this building is ready in September.

“We were never looking for a building, but we we’re always looking for a building,” he said. “We didn’t want to be a church that gets a building and then its vision and mission fall to the back burner because everything turns into paying the mortgage. We wanted to put our dollars into beer and snacks flesh and blood, people and relationships.”

WELS members - you gave them a grant and a loan to buy this bar.
Ask Keith Free and Mark Schroeder about their use and abuse of your offering money.
Another WELS congregation is several blocks away.

Online, real estate listings show the asking price was $850,000. Outagamie County records listed its 2011 fair market value at about $523,000.

“We paid closer to fair market value,” said Jeff Ulman, a member of the church’s executive committee. “George Karl worked with us and helped us out extensively.”

George Karl, head coach of the Denver Nuggets and former coach of the Milwaukee Bucks, owned the building.

The purchase was handled through a church extension fund, said Skorzewski.

“We received a wonderful grant and loan from WELS, the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod. Our remodeling was covered by the loan from WELS.”

Church volunteers are already inside working on the renovation. The church draws about 250 people on a typical Sunday.

Revolution was the last nightclub that operated in the Franklin Street building. It was open for about six months, until July 2010. Prior to that, the club had been opened and closed by several operators under the names Tom’s Garage, The Garage and Pulse Nightclub.

Skorzewski said the church would not keep the full liquor license that went with the building. If they chose to host wedding receptions in the building in the future, he said they would apply for a beer and wine license.

This is at least the fourth building in the Fox Cities to be converted from a business into a church in recent years, including structures that previously housed the Vineyard (now Living Faith), SK Flooring (now the Mission Church) and Big Picture (now Christ's Church of the Valley).

Note that in the printed version of this story in The Post-Crescent, the church in the Big Picture was incorrect. It is correct above.

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Multiple choice question:

Which "church" is Lutheran?

- Living Faith
- Mission Church
- The Core
- Christ's Church of the Valley

Answer:... wait for it....wait for it....

Three Years after This Post - The Jelly-Tele-Tubbies Are Prospering



John Parlow, Mark Jeske, Paul Calvin Kelm, and Kudu Don Patterson form the Gang of Four, 
known as the Jelly-Tele-Tubbies.
One DP said, "Talking to these guys is like trying to nail jelly to the wall."


They have group lovies at Church and Change board meetings, Church and Change conferences, Church and Change pilgrimages to learn from Babtist Stetzer, Babtist Stanley, Methodist Groeschel, Methodist Sweet, and the patriarchs of Church Shrinkage - Kent Hunter and Waldo Werning.

The Jelly-Tele-Tubbies never admit their real doctrinal standards (none) and act offended if anyone questions their Lutheranity. However, they have devoted their careers to erasing all influences of Luther, the Confessions, and the orthodox Christian faith.

In addition, they live from synod, Thrivent, and foundation grants. Pretending to be great successes, they are really liabilities in every sense of the word.

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Judge not lest ye be judged.

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GJ - Luther wrote that false teachers are the surest sign of God's wrath. God allows false teachers to smite and flail those believers who were too timid to argue for sound doctrine.

The Wisconsin pastors and Doctrinal Pussycats knew 20 years ago that the Shrinkers ran the synod. The Love Shack only needed to make the DPs cower. The DPs intimidated the parish pastors into silence and cooperation. Like their Missouri counterparts, the WELS DPs were "helpless" to deal with adulterous and false-teaching clergy (often the same thing) - but full of the Spirit and God's righteous wrath whenever some poor bloke dared to question a syllable from The Love Shack.

Slick Brenner predicted this for WELS while the Shrinkers mocked him for being a traditional Lutheran. They called him a "legalist."

The Savior warned believers to judge between sound and Satanic doctrine, to avoid evil. He did not say, "Think not," or "Discern not," or "Study the Word not."

PS - Where are they now, after three years, under the stern discipline of SP Mark Schroeder?

  1. John Parlow has received a huge grant from Thrivent and hired Mark (P-Boy) Freier as a consultant!
  2. Mark and Avoid Jeske has been upgraded to LCMS-WELS and serves on the board of Thrivent.
  3. Paul Calvin Kelm got a job at The Love Shack, was unemployed for several minutes, and received two calls at once, landing at Wisconsin Lutheran College...again. Now he is head of Leadership and runs Church and Change conferences from WLC - like the one this month.
  4. Dom Perignon Patterson upgraded his status to District Pope, giving hope to those who hope his alcohol soaked men's and women's retreats will spread quickly through the district and synod, as if that were a new frontier. Ask any DP or Mequon professor.

Patterson replaces a DP who actually spoke against the NNIV  - at the convention!
Does anyone think Patterson opposes the NNIV?
In the background - Deputy Doug was re-elected - to punish his district for tolerating his poor leadership.
Glende's plagiarism has been commended and approved by Deputy Doug.

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The Text Says This, But the NNIV Says That





KJV 
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

New NIV
Matthew 28:19-20
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

The Apostasy Commentary - Translating the Translators
Your job is to make disciples all over the world. That will give me and my buddies an excuse to travel around on your offering money. If you do not bring in the numbers we want, we will blame you for not making disciples. That old KJV was rotten - it emphasized teaching the Word. We have studied big business. Our marketing model starts with making disciples, who make disciples, who make disciples. Our guru, Kent Hunter, says, "Shepherds don't have sheep. Sheep have sheep." Even a DP can understand that one.

Besides, we all know that WE make the Word effective. Disciples do what God cannot. To clone the cloner, the Word of God is efficacious but it is not effective. That is leadership!

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KJV
Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


New NIV
Acts 3:20-21
20 and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.


The Apostasy Commentary - Translating the Translators
The Classic NIV was much better - "21 He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything." The classic version preserves the thought that Christ is trapped in heaven, so He cannot be present in the Lord's Supper. We can always change later to the classic wording. But this goodie remains - "for God to restore everything." This keeps alive the idea of universal absolution and salvation at the end - pure grace.

Fellow demons - I just realized that the original NIV came out in 1984, which is synonymous for making good bad and bad good, for playing with words, for betraying and torturing people until they confess, "I love Big Brother."  And we have them saying, "I love the 1984 NIV"!

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KJV 
Romans 3:20-26
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

New NIV

Romans 3:20-26
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. 21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood —to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished — 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

The Apostasy Commentary - Translating the Translators
Granted - verse 26 is quite weak and tends to ruin our Universalism, but verse 24 is the masterpiece - adding a second all to the original text. We got all the mainlines on our side with this one, and the denser Lutherans as well. Once this permeates the whole ecumenical scene - and we make millions of dollars - there will not be a single reason left to bicker about the sacraments or closed communion (ugh - nasty) or contemporary worship. All are justified - they just need to know it - to accept God's acceptance. All roads lead to God, so we can smile with benefice at all efforts. To save time and energy, we can copy the ones who do this best.



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KJV 
1 Corinthians 10:16
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

New NIV
1 Corinthians 10:16
16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?

The Apostasy Commentary - Translating the Translators
This is perfection in translation, turning a perfectly clear word - communion - into a vague word that anyone can understand his or her or his/her transgender way. The old way - literal - ptui - preserves the Real Presence, which makes open communion and true ecumenism impossible. The Reformed do not like that word communion. We cannot get Lord's Supper into the text, so the best we can do is to take the substance out of a verse divisive of fellowship. We are all one Body we, kum-bye-y'all.

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KJV 
1 Peter 3:21-22
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

New NIV

1 Peter 3:21-22
21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand —with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

The Apostasy Commentary - Translating the Translators
We had to get rid of baptism as a sacrament, and we did long ago. How many Church Growth congregations feature a font and an altar? Two for one. No sacraments - no altar and no font. Big screens and a stage and a band - that is how we make disciples. It all goes together, my fiends.

Water does symbolize, but we want it to read that water ONLY symbolizes. The old KJV reading suggested water and the Word make up baptism and that God actually saves through baptism. That is the problem with literal translating - it is too precise. That cannot be allowed. So we have substituted the human pledge for the divine activity of baptism. One replaces the other. Most people do not care, because we snuck that in 28 years ago. But there can be no back-tracking unless it is necessary for initial acceptance.


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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Do You Want Your NNIV Before or After Supper?":

Ichabod -

The fence sitting vote that prevailed to delay a selection of poor choices, is really all part of the “over-kill” process. The very reality that the new NIV 11 was included in the other 2 choices mix, gives clear indication that the powers that be in the WELS hierarchy, desire the highly flawed Ruppert Murdoch Bible - gender neutral, universalism warts and all. Now, they are granted a year's time to convince the fence sitters that the new NIV 11 isn't all that bad. Their ploy? The "lesser of the two evils argument. In this case, it’s the lesser of the 3 evils contention.

This whole long drawn out WELS "window dressing" process appears to be nothing but "over-kill." Anyone who has read Edgar Allen Poe's, "The Black Cat," can see where this WELS process is eventually headed. They've already done the nasty by touching the unclean thing. Now, they will complete the extended year long process by eventually eating from this rotten NIV translation apple. Will their NIV 11 apple eating celebration take place next year at this time, - or, will they still yet further (somehow) delay? And, how long can a delay game go on - especially, when lust for an inferior Bible translation is on the WELS hot list?

Pastor emeritus Nathan M. Bickel

www.thechristianmessage.org
www.moralmatters.org 

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "The Text Says This, But the NNIV Says That":

Drawing an analogy from politics may be a poor practice, but it seems so fitting. Since this is an election year, many folks hold their nose and vote for what they consider to be the lesser of two evils. As one wise man once stated, "the lesser of two evils is the evil of two lessers".

Do You Want Your NNIV Before or After Supper?

Desperate but not serious.

LPC has left a new comment on your post "Paul Wendland's Mytho-Porno Living NIV Paraphrase ...":

It is remarkable that they even placed Holman as an option. That translation is a Southern Baptist translation.

LPC

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GJ - The NNIV will be a big hit in the mainline denominations of the National Council of Churches. However, those groups do not make a particular translation into an excommunication offense, the way WELS does.

Classic Pinto gas tank fire


WELS emphasized the KJV for a long time, then kicked pastors out of the ministry for daring to criticize the original NIV, now called the Classic NIV. That is like a Classic Pinto, no?

WELS leaders spend a lot of time drooling on Southern Babtist leaders' feet. DP Patterson took a group of WELS workers to Exponential in Orlando, Florida. Stetzer spoke there, and Stetzer was soon hired to teach a Church and Change convention of WELS Shrinkers.

Those who pay attention to Southern Babtists realize that the group rejected the NNIV but favored the Holman, which sprang from the New KJV, more or less, now quite less.

The Holman uses the Anything Goes Aland New Testament text plus dynamic equivalence (Living Bible) paraphrasing, so it is a double winner for all the apostates. Holman began changing from the beginning and will change again soon. So will the NNIV.

The ESV is Calvinist Communist. It uses the Anything Goes Aland for the New Testament and a modified version of dynamic equivalence: demi-semi-dynamic equivalence.

The three modern translations discussed so far have two things in common -

  • Constant rapid change in language. As the graphic shows, the NIV has more babies than a welfare daddy.
  • Constant change in the New Testament text - based on the whims of liberal academics. They meet and vote on whether a verse or word belongs. 

How odd of God - to accomplish so much for sinful man, and leave behind a confused and contradictory New Testament text! The Latter Day Saints must be right - we need a Book of Mormon to explain everything to us.Lacking that, we have the politicians appointed to the various Bored of Doctrine committees. They eat up almost as much offering money as the professional charity guys.


The traditional New Testament text has its basis in the thousands - yes thousands - of Greek texts preserved by the Byzantine (Eastern Orthodox) Church. The Eastern Roman Empire became Greek and Christian under Constantine and his successors. This Christian empire lasted 11 centuries. Ponder that a wee bit. The Nicene Creed comes from the early days of Constantine, Equal to the Apostles (his title), and lasted until the beginning of the Reformation. The Greek Christians revered the Word of God and preserved the manuscripts and liturgical texts as well.


As much as WELS and Missouri hate the KJV now, the KJV still exists in its older books, many still in print or at least circulating as used books. Liturgical books are therefore useful as witnesses to much older texts. The Greeks had those too. 


The radicals began by beating up the NT text. They could not get at the Hebrew text easily, because the traditional text has been carefully guarded and copied with great precision by the rabbis. When scholars found a much earlier manuscript of Isaiah (by 800 years or so) at Qumran, the Hebrew wording was the same in Isaiah, except for "holy, holy, holy" being "holy."


The radicals in the NCC did not worry about the text of the Old Testament, because they could translate their way into apostasy heaven. Thus the great miracle of a "Virgin shall conceive" in Isaiah became "a young woman will conceive." 


By Norma Boeckler




That followed (note well - followed) the rationalistic church trend of expelling the Virgin Birth. The Wesleyan hymn had already been changed to "offspring of the Chosen One" instead of "Offspring of the Virgin's womb." Who were the pinheads who did this? The Methodists! The printed music for "Chosen One" is still floating around - appropriate for a Unitarian Christmas service.


Lutherans, especially the SynConference types - do not cluck your tongue at the Methodists. You participate daily in the same nonsense. You do not read Luther. You do not respect the greatest Biblical expositor of the Christian Church. You sit back and let your leaders rave against justification by faith. That is why your synods are dead in the water, just like the Methodists. That is why you will get bad translations foisted on the next generation.


"That is a hill I will not die on" - Soon there is nothing worth a fight, as long as the pension fund beckons. I know several pastors who had nothing to say until they retired. No one could bother them because no one cared.


The ELCA bishops who formed the NALC should serve as an example for all. They led ELCA into the abyss for 20 years, jumped aside at the last minute, and complained, "This is just plain wrong."