Sunday, October 7, 2012

Philosoraptor Has Deep Thoughts about Zwingli and WELS




"In what vulgar terms does Zwingli here speak of these sacred matters! When the Holy Spirit wants to approach man, He does not need the Word of God, the Gospel, Baptism, the Lord's Supper, for a conveyance; He can come without them! It must be a queer Bible which Zwingli read."
C. F. W. Walther, The Proper Distinction Between Law and Gospel, trans., W. H. T. Dau, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1928, p. 156.

"Zwingli is a good example of those who separate grace from the means of grace. His assertion that the Holy Ghost needs no vehicle (vehiculum) is well known. And this rule he applies not only to the Sacraments [Fidei Ratio, ed. Niemeyer, p. 24], but to the Word of the Gospel as well. Zwingli asserts emphatically that faith does not come through the outward Word, but through the immediate operation of the Holy Spirit: ipse tractus internus (through which we are converted to God) immediate operantis est Spiritus. [Zwingli, Opp., ed. Schulthess, IV, 125]"
Francis Pieper, Christian Dogmatics, 3 vols., trans., Walter W. F. Albrecht, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1953, III, p. 127.

"In other words, Zwingli and his numerous adherents declare that the means God has ordained are unnecessary and hinder true piety." Francis Pieper, Christian Dogmatics, 3 vols., trans., Walter W. F. Albrecht, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1953, III, p. 104.

"Zwingli, Calvin, and their adherents denied that the Word of God always possesses the same efficacy, and that God always operates through the Word."
E. Hove, Christian Doctrine, Minneapolis: Augsburg Publishing House, 1930, p. 27.

"The Sacraments are not mere symbolic expressions by which faith is strengthened (Calvin), nor are they mere acts of confession of faith (notae professionis, Zwingli), but are effective means by which God sows faith in the hearts of men."
Walter G. Tillmanns, "Means of Grace: Use of," The Encyclopedia of the Lutheran Church, 3 vols., Julius Bodensieck, Minneapolis: Augsburg Publishing House, 1965, II, p. 1506.



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Justification by Faith






















Eighteenth Sunday after Trinity. Matthew 22:34-46.
David's Son




The Eighteenth Sunday after Trinity, 2012


Pastor Gregory L. Jackson


Bethany Lutheran Church, 10 AM Central Time


The Hymn # 239     Come Thou Almighty King                        2:72
The Confession of Sins
The Absolution
The Introit p. 16
The Gloria Patri
The Kyrie p. 17
The Gloria in Excelsis
The Salutation and Collect p. 19
The Epistle and Gradual       
The Gospel              
Glory be to Thee, O Lord!
Praise be to Thee, O Christ!
The Nicene Creed             p. 22
The Sermon Hymn #269            O Lord Our Father                  2:56     

Justification in Both Testaments

The Communion Hymn # 315:11-15            I Come O Savior             2:66
The Preface p. 24
The Sanctus p. 26
The Lord's Prayer p. 27
The Words of Institution
The Agnus Dei p. 28
The Nunc Dimittis p. 29
The Benediction p. 31
The Hymn #651               Be Still My Soul               2:17

KJV 1 Corinthians 1:4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

KJV Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. 41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Eighteenth Sunday After Trinity

Lord God, heavenly Father: We are poor, miserable sinners; we know Thy will, but cannot fulfill it because of the weakness of our flesh and blood, and because our enemy, the devil, will not leave us in peace. Therefore we beseech Thee, shed Thy Holy Spirit in our hearts, that, in steadfast faith, we may cling to Thy Son Jesus Christ, find comfort in His passion and death, believe the forgiveness of sin through Him, and in willing obedience to Thy will lead holy lives on earth, until by Thy grace, through a blessed death, we depart from this world of sorrow, and obtain eternal life, through Thy Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with Thee and the Holy Ghost, one true God, world without end. Amen.


Old Testament Justification Is New Testament Justification

Matthew 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

KJV Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Some people emphasize a discontinuity between the Old and New Testaments, but the Scriptures are one unified truth. This is a good example.
When the Pharisees questioned Jesus, they were following a tradition of challenging the teacher, which was completed by the rabbi challenging the audience.

This opposition is often portrayed as nasty people against the good, the perfect Savior. Unfortunately, that bypasses the real issue and makes it too personal. The opposition was doctrinal.

Jesus only did good things and revealed Himself as meek and gracious. True, He gathered enormous crowds and performed miracles no one else could try or even fake. Jealousy would have been a factor but that was the main issue.

Luther identified the issue as the difference between Jesus and the religious leaders on the matter of righteousness. Jesus taught, and still teaches, “Your righteous comes from outside of you. The righteousness of God that you seek comes only from believing in Me.” (Outside of us, or Extra Nos, the title of Dr. Lito Cruz’ blog.)

This utterly destroyed the dogma of the Jewish leaders, who taught that the righteousness of God came from within, from their own merit and works. Thus all the difference in the world exists between justification by faith in Him and self-justification by works.

To this day I am startled by Lutherans who say their merit comes from within – where they were born, which organization they belong to, who their relatives are (as if they chose carefully). Sometimes they say, “I did this. I did that.” One can hardly get a mention of God’s Word at work among them. That is justification by works, justification by the law.

Paul’s teaching about justification by faith comes from his inspired understanding of Abraham as the father of faith, the first of all those justified by faith. This is taught clearly in Romans 4 and in Galatians. The relationship between Jesus and Abraham is clear from the Gospel of John. When Jesus was trying to teach the Jewish leaders and only arousing their wrath, they said, “We have Abraham for a father.” In other words – we are charter members of this synod. We are related to the founder. Who are you to challenge us?

That of course is justification based on merit, not the righteousness of faith. Jesus said, in words that should give everyone goosebumps, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” That is God speaking as God. In other words, Jesus said, “I AM the voice of God from the burning bush, the bush with two natures united in one manifestation. Believe in Me, not in your own merit and works.” That is why Paul taught so clearly that Abraham was justified by faith before any works of the law.
And thus, Romans 4, so are we counted as righteous, as forgiven and saved, if we believe in Jesus the Son of God.

Every world religion teaches justification by works. In the first part of this lesson we can see how Jesus answer the question of the greatest commandment. What is the great commandment of the law?

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The Old Testament summary of the Scriptures is the same as Jesus teaching and Luther’s as well. There are no changes between the truth of one era and the next, even if the time is different by thousands of years and the cultures vastly different. The Word of God belongs to Him alone and cannot be changed.

Luther constantly emphasized two relationships. The first one is the basis for everything – love for God and faith in His Word. If this is lacking, the second relationship is going to be based on sin, no matter how holy we want to appear to everyone. Lacking faith in God, every word and action is sinful.

The second relationship love for our neighbor. Works of love come from faith in God, from thanksgiving for all the blessings He has bestowed on us. The apples come from the tree – works of love from faith in God. Works do not make us holy. God makes us holy through the Word.

This summary of the Torah was the classic rabbinic summary. It is Jesus’ summary in the Gospels, Paul’s teaching, and Luther’s teaching.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Thus we have a summary from the Savior that can be used to explain all of the Old Testament, or the Law and the Prophets. That summary can be condensed as faith in God, love toward our neighbor.



41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Here Jesus asked the opponents a difficult question – for them. They had no concept of the Two Natures of Christ, although they might have, from the Scriptures and His miracles.

The question seems easy the explanation difficult to us, because we understand and believe.

From an unbeliever’s perspective, King David was the great king and the Messiah was his son, his human son. How could this greatest of all kings of Israel call his son “Lord” when inspired by the Holy Spirit?

That is easy for us – the Messiah is the son of David but the Word of God incarnate. He is God, so King David called the coming Messiah “Lord.”

The issue was already in the Psalms. Jesus simply asked the obvious, and the opponents were silent. They no longer sought to question Him because they could not answer Him. They felt the majesty of His divine wisdom and authority, so they pulled back from exposing their own ignorance and unbelief.

The key phrase here is “in Spirit” or “inspired by the Holy Spirit,” because both Testaments are inspired by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is constantly denigrated by the modernists (including the obvious UOJ Hive, but also all modern Protestants). This is why.

God does not act apart from the Spirit or apart from the Word. The Spirit/Word combination is constant in the Scriptures, in Luther, and the Lutheran Reformation. It was always clearly emphasized, especially against the Protestants who broke with Luther.

The anti-Sacrament group began with Zwingli and others, calling the Sacrament mere symbols. The Sacraments did not forgive sins. They were not the acts of God. Therefore, they robbed the Sacraments of the Holy Spirit working through the visible Word.

We do not just put water on babies or adults in Baptism. Nor do we just give wine and bread to people. In both cases, it is a combination of the earthly elements and the Word, because God commanded this. Jesus instituted these Sacraments.

And how are people converted through preaching the Gospel? The Holy Spirit works through the Word and that Spirit works upon the hearer. That is why we say faith comes from hearing, although the phrase is more like hearing the preached Word.

The Holy Spirit is at work in the preaching and in the hearing of the preached Gospel. That is so simple and clear in Romans 10 and Isaiah 55, not to mention many other places.

But it is denied. Calvin said repeatedly, as Zwingli did, that the Spirit works apart from the Word and Sacraments. Whether they have the power of God is dependent upon whether “the sovereign Spirit” decides to appear. Thus everyone is in doubt.

One of my preacher friends, a non-Lutheran, will say, “Jesus was definitely here today.” That is one expression of this odd detachment of the Spirit and the Word. It makes people doubt their forgiveness and salvation.

A ex-pastor makes fun of a small gathering, forgetting “wherever two or three are gathered in My Name, there am I in the midst of them.” Many think it takes a $900,000 grant to accomplish that.

How strange to have people disparage faith, especially when they are nominal Lutherans. Nothing glorifies God more than faith in Him.

For a hobby, I follow the Notre Dame updates for football, so I have read, year-around, the critiques of their coach Brian Kelly. The doubts were listed ahead of time, and after each game, after each change of quarterback, after each recruiting drive.

This was the year. Many still doubted. But ND beat one team, then another, and another and now the total is five victories. The opponents can barely score. Now doubt has turned to faith. Probably many alumni clubs are hoping he has a 10-year contract. They have faith in Brian Kelly.

Does that reflect on the fans or the coach? The coach has performed so well with his team that the vast majority of demanding fans now trust him.

And this is nothing compared to faith in God. Our trust builds in Him when we see His promises fulfilled in the Scriptures and the power made known in our lives. Luther points out that the fruits of faith are not only the many blessings, but also afflictions (Galatians Commentary, Kregel).

Is the Word powerful? It makes the opponents of the Gospel become Satanic in their evil, their rage, and their deception.

We do not know the power of the Word until we use it. Because we need to know the whole counsel of God and its individual parts in balance, it can be disheartening to see the apparent bad things that develop from the pure Word. But when we experience those bad things as blessings from God, then we see even more than His power is perfected in weakness.

This week I smiled when I ordered Luther’s Romans Commentary and read the familiar passages again. I thought, “You fanatics made this book the most interesting volume in my house, just by opposing it and trying to take it away from people.”

False doctrine has power too. It is effective in deception and corruption.

When we reflect on the Holy Spirit at work, we can see how everything worthwhile done in the true Church is accomplished through the Spirit – that is through the Word and Sacraments. If it is not through the Word and Sacraments, it is not the work of the Gospel.

And when it is the work of the Gospel, Satan will try to uproot it as soon as it begins to grow. That effort can only spread the pure Word and make it more valuable to those who prize it.


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JUSTICE: The Ultimate Episcopal Mantra

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By David W. Virtue 
www.virtueonline.org 
October 4, 2012

JUSTICE. It is the official show stopper in the Episcopal Church.

If you are in any doubt about what you believe in (or don't believe in but want it recognized anyway), just drop the word "justice" into the conversation and hey, presto all will be well and all manner of things will be well.

Consider the following:

There is now justice for gays 
Justice for lesbians 
Justice for bisexuals 
Justice for transgendered 
Justice for ALL LGBTQI persons especially for "I" which we think stands for interested, inquiring or intergenerational...whatever 
Justice for the poor 
Justice for immigrants 
Justice for global poverty 
Justice for Millennium Development Goal pushers 
Justice for those who need and must have an abortion 
Justice for 12 year olds seeking abortion 
Justice for those needing the new abortifacient drugs who can't get them in catholic hospitals because it offends the catholic faith and we can't have that 
Justice for all women (young, old and those in between who can't find a mate to date) 
Justice for gays wanting to get married in the Episcopal Church and heaven help an orthodox bishop who does not comply
Justice for those who oppose traditional marriage because they lack inclusion and diversity 
Justice for those demanding gay rites 
Justice for all those who feel oppressed (whether they are or not) by dreadful white males masquerading as dreadful white males 
Justice for victims of violence and political oppression, and for the whole Earth 
Justice for those people who believe under 18-year olds have no right to question their same sex attractions 
Justice demands that the Episcopal Church's diminishing Anglo-Catholics, who don't believe in Women's Ordination, be forced to ordain women priests even if it violates THEIR consciences.

Please, dear Lord, a special justice handout to Vickie Gene Robinson who said this week that ALL TOLERATION for those who oppose his behavior be ended and Fatwas delivered to all those who disagree with him because God now accepts sodomy as a legitimate sexuality, because Gene says so. 

And Lord, we especially ask for justice in California where the new Roman Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco, Salvatore Cordileone is about to be installed. This offends Marc Andrus, the Episcopal Bishop of California. Because the new archbishop actually listens to his boss in Rome and is therefore, insensitive to women and is uninclusive about active homosexuals. So Marc wants Catholics to flee their church over queer acceptance and join his church, the all-embracive Episcopal Church. LORD, MAKE IT HAPPEN BECAUSE JUSTICE DEMANDS IT.

Welcome to San Francisco, Bishop Cordileone.

Lord, we especially ask you to answer that prayer because the Episcopal diocese is shrinking and desperately needs new people (and money) to prop it up. They need divorced Catholics who can't afford annulments and more DWMs (Dead White Males) to help pay the diocese's and Episcopal Church's bills.

AMEN

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I just heard that the WELS has suspended a pastor by the name of Rydecki for denying objective justification. Does anyone have the facts?





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The following papers and letters, produced by Rev. Rydecki, would shed some light on the matter from his perspective: Emmanuel Lutheran Church Resources




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Karl, a group calling itself Intrepid Lutherans reports on Rev. Paul Rydecki's suspension from the WELS this past week.





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The following papers and letters, produced by Rev. Rydecki, would shed some light on the matter from his perspective: Emmanuel Lutheran Church Resources



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Well, that pretty much says it. Paul Rydecki denies objective justification. What does he make of 2 Cor. 5:19: "... in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them..."? How can God count their trespasses against them if according to the Scriptures he does not count their trespasses against them? What does he make of John 1:29: "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"? How can the Lamb of God not away the sin of the world if according to Scripture he does take away the sin of the world?

Good choice, WELS! Good choice! 


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Karl Pierson: "Paul Rydecki denies objective justification."

You are entitled to your opinion based on Rev. Rydecki's public writings. I have not evaluated them as yet.

According to the Intrepid article, Rev. Rydecki was suspended "on the charge of teaching the “false doctrine” of Justification by Faith Alone not for denying "objective justification." I went to the WELS Az-Ca District website and could not find any information regarding the cause of Rev. Rydecki's suspension. If WELS Az-Ca District suspended Pr. Rydecki, the district should promptly disclose the reason for Pr. Rydecki's suspension and publicly refute his errors so that others are not misled.


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This is an unfortunate and sad story that can be attributed, at least in this writers opinion that the Jacksonian sect has had an affect on Pr. Rydecki and serves as a warning to mark and avoid Jackson and his followers. (The Ichabodians are claiming victory this evening...) These guys scoff at the universal reconciliation and redemption of the world and refuse to address the 'intuitu fidei' issue as espoused by Lenski.

I don't believe that Pr. Rydecki denies objective justification, but rather the sloppy teaching of OJ in parts of the WELS as this ex-WELsian can prove by his suspension scars...


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Ah, yes, someone thinks it's unbiblical to say that the reprobate have been forgiven and declared righteous - must be brainwashed by Greg Jackson.

Please.



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From "The Biblical Doctrine of Justification on One Page:"

God credits the righteousness of Christ only to those who believe in Jesus, and thus justifies only those who believe in Jesus. (John 3:16-18, 36; Luke 18:14; Acts 13:39; Rom. 3:26; 4:5; 10:10; Gal. 2:16; Phil. 3:8-9)

These are Paul Rydecki's words, Daniel Gorman.

Check out his sermon entitled: "Faith is the difference between those who are justified and those who are not." The sermon is mostly good, except that he confuses law and gospel by rendering the gospel as a description of persons having faith rather than God justifying sinners.

Joe, I think I know what you are talking about when you speak of "the sloppy teaching of OJ in parts of WELS." It goes something like this: "God has forgiven all the sins you have ever committed, all the sins you are committing right now, and all the sins you are about to commit in the future." That may be an exaggeration, but sometimes you walk away with that impression. And, while the statement is technically true, it's not good penitential preaching. Well, the opposite must be avoided too. To describe faith as the conditio sine qua non for receiving Christ's righteousness is not false, but in the proclamation of the universal gospel, this conditio is often used as a preacher's crutch, a third leg between law and gospel, in order to avoid the cultivation of hypocrisy--as if such were the preacher's task to begin with. And, in the case of Paul Rydecki, the opposite has resulted in a categorical denial of objective justification.
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Karl Pieron writes:

To describe faith as the conditio sine qua non for receiving Christ's righteousness is not false, but in the proclamation of the universal gospel, this conditio is often used as a preacher's crutch, a third leg between law and gospel, in order to avoid the cultivation of hypocrisy--as if such were the preacher's task to begin with.

This is a very good point. Just as it is not the responsibility of the preacher of the Gospel to make the people correct their behavior, it is also not the responsibility of the preacher of the Gospel to keep people from being hypocrites. They are two sides of the same coin.

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"Just as it is not the responsibility of the preacher of the Gospel to make the people correct their behavior, it is also not the responsibility of the preacher of the Gospel to keep people from being hypocrites. They are two sides of the same coin."

But it is the Preachers responsibilty to use the Law to drive them to repentance and restore them with the Gospel (Luther- Pless "what Luther says". It is also his responsibility to make clear who is under the Grace of God and who is not Walther- Proper Distinction of Law & Gospel 12th, 13th 23rd & (29th?). It would seem to me that those who deny OJ are attempting to do that but in the error of rejecing OJ in the effort to teach the Truth of SJ.

Walther >
But to preach properly is difficult. For this reason a student of theology ought to make proper preaching his highest aim. For if he is unable to preach, he does not belong in the ministry. In our orthodox Church a servant of God is a minister of Jesus Christ, and his worth does not lie in a certain undefined quality that has been imparted to him at his ordination or consecration, in something that other people have not and which, for that reason, makes him such a sacrosanct and precious person. By no means; the worth of a true minister of the Church lies exclusively in his ability to preach properly. If he has not this ability, the pulpit is not the place for him; for the pulpit is for preaching. Preaching is the central element of every divine service.
What is to be effected by preaching? Bear in mind that the preacher is to arouse secure souls from their sleep in sin; next, to lead those who have been aroused to faith; next, to give believers assurance of their state of grace and salvation; next, to lead those who have become assured of this to sanctification of their lives; and lastly, to confirm the sanctified and to keep them in their holy and blessed state unto the end. What a task!
A preeminent point that we must not forget is this: To achieve this task, it is especially necessary rightly to divide the truth, as the apostle says, or properly to divide the Law and the Gospel from each other. When a person does not understand how to do this and always mingles either doctrine into the other, his preaching is utterly futile, in vain. More than this, a preacher of this kind does harm and leads the souls of men astray; he leads them to a false faith, a false hope, a false contrition, makes them mere hypocrites, and frequently hurls them into despair. To divide Law and Gospel properly is a very, very difficult task. As Luther says, all preachers cannot but remain mere apprentices in this art until death. Nevertheless, a young theologian must be able to recite at least the first lesson in this curriculum. He must know the goal that he is to reach, and he must have made a start in reaching the goal.


Walther, C. F. W., Dau, W. H. T., & Eckhardt, E. (2000). The proper distinction between law and gospel: 39 evening lectures (electronic ed.) (248–249). Saint Louis: Concordia Publishing House.
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The idea that objective justification militates against justification through faith alone is based on pure confusion. Precisely the opposite is the case. Anyone who rejects objective justification rejects justification through faith alone. He may believe in justification because of faith, but he doesn't believe in justification through faith. If justification is through faith it must precede faith. Duh! This isn't rocket science. But Rydecki denies that justification precedes faith. Therefore it is he, not the WELS, that denies justification through faith alone.

Intrepid Lutherans, my eye! [GJ - Get out the rack. Now! Celebrate the Reformation the old-fashioned way: burning Lutherans at the stake.]
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Well said, Louis. What a strange monster the Jacksonites have made of faith! Faith, and not *justification* by faith, has become their chief doctrine. And that will lead to Schleiermachian self-delusion, if not in them, then in their hearers. I pray that Rydecki recants and repents, for his own sake and for his sheep's sake. [GJ - Read the Cliff Notes on Schleiermacher? He was OJ, too, Mr. Anonymous Fake Name.]
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Justification is the imputation of Christ's righteousness to the sinner. How on earth is that objective, Louis? How was I imputed with Christ's righteousness prior to my God-given faith? Justification by faith alone is not rocket science. We are accounted righteous and holy when we receive faith from the Holy Spirit. Not hard. However, saying that the whole world has been justified (imputed with Christ's righteousness) prior to faith is ludicrous -- that is, if we're running with how Scripture and the Confessions define justification. This is simple, simple stuff -- sola fide, sola fide, sola fide. There is no other justification except the one and only justification and imputation of Christ's righteousness by faith alone.
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Daniel Baker (Livinthehylife)
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Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 7:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


"If we want to be Dresden Lutherans, then we will teach justification by faith alone as the chief article of the Christian faith. The justification of the poor sinner before God is presented explicitly and quite exhaustively in the Lutheran Confessions (and by other 16th Century Lutheran theologians) as including four key components, without any of which the poor sinner is not, in any sense, justified before God: 1) the grace of God, 2) the merit of Christ, 3) the means of grace, and 4) faith in Christ. The Confessions do not speak of a sense in which all sinners have already been justified before God whether they believe in Christ or not, nor do I believe the Scriptures to teach such a thing, yet such is commonly heralded among Lutherans today as the “central teaching of the Bible.” I contend that our Dresden forefathers did not miss anything or take anything for granted in this chief article of the Christian faith. Forgiveness of sins, life and salvation were, indeed, won for all people by Christ on the cross, through His merit alone. But no one is forgiven, justified, made alive or saved apart from the means of grace and apart from faith in Christ, which is graciously worked by the Holy Spirit. Dresden Lutherans would never think of qualifying Luther’s battle cry, “Faith alone justifies!”, with “Yes, but, only in a subjective sense, since we know that all people are already justified without faith!" (Rev. Paul Rydecki, "Do We Want To Be Dresden Lutherans?", P.10).

6-20-2011 - email from Joe Krohn:


Most laity are not aware of this doctrine.  They have been lulled to sleep by it for some time now.  I went round and round with my dear mom last evening.  She is WELS.  She has a real skewed idea of how forgiveness works now…much different from what she taught us as kids.  Since OJ says that all are forgiven prior to faith and repentance, we must now forgive everyone regardless of if they are sorry or not.  Sound like ELCA?

Letter off to DP Glaeske and the Patterson cult tonite…hard certified copies in the mail tomorrow…

Keep up the fight!




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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Warming Up the Tar and Feathers on LutherQuest. No...":

Following Joe Krohn's reconversion to Universal Justification Without Faith (UJWF) he has been twice the son of his father below in his name calling, rage and baseless accusations.

Dr. Cruz and I just completed another round with him on Extra Nos where Joe was trumpeting his singularly sourced universal reconciliation UOJ doctrine - which was firmly trounced by the Christian Book of Concord. Joe used a BOC sentence which bestowed both reconciliation and eternal salvation in the same sentence. He wants to apply the reconciliation to the whole world but not take responsibility for the eternal salvation (Universalism) caused by his taking the sentence out of context.

Discussion can be read here:

http://extranos.blogspot.com/2012/09/uojers-are-huberites-their-denials-are.html

With a chief doctrine like UOJ, who needs enemies. The doctrine is so entirely contradictory it practically defeats itself as long as the UOJists just keep talking.

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David Becker has left a new comment on your post "Warming Up the Tar and Feathers on LutherQuest. No...":

I notice that on Lutherquest "Karl Pierson" (which I guess is a pseudonym) writes:

"From 'The Biblical Doctrine of Justification on One Page:'

"God credits the righteousness of Christ only to those who believe in Jesus, and thus justifies only those who believe in Jesus. (John 3:16-18, 36; Luke 18:14; Acts 13:39; Rom. 3:26; 4:5; 10:10; Gal. 2:16; Phil. 3:8-9)

"These are Paul Rydecki's words..."

What is wrong with Paul Rydecki's words there? Nothing.

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Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 8:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Uh ohh! Here we go again.

Actually, I am being a bit facitious. I think it important that we have this out every opportunity we get. So...

Christian Schulz writes:

There is no other justification except the one and only justification and imputation of Christ's righteousness by faith alone.

By that statement, Mr. Schulz, you have just made your faith the object of your faith because, according to your statement, faith must precede justification. If faith precedes justification, it has nothing in which to believe except itself. It's not only unScriptural, which is most important, but it is also non-sensical.

Faith is the passive reception of God's Gospel declaration that your sins are forgiven because the sins of the world were taken away when Christ bore them on the cross. To be forgiven is to be declared righteous.

Your assertion turns faith upon itself by making it some legal thing that you must obtain before you can possess righteousness. So you must conclude, to be consistent, that your faith is the cause of your salvation and that salvation is not entirely by grace.

We who cling to the doctrine of objective justification do not deny justification by grace through faith. Objective justification establishes it because it keeps the proper definition of faith, which, again, is the passive reception of God's declaration. If God didn't declare it, faith has nothing to receive. 


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Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 8:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Hogwash. Faith clings to Christ and His merits. His all-sufficient obedience has obtained forgiveness, life, and salvation for all people. These certainly precede faith and are what faith receives. But in no blessed sense does this equate to the heresy of universal justification.

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Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 8:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


"His all-sufficient obedience has obtained forgiveness, life, and salvation for all people." - Daniel Baker

That is the definition of objective justification. [GJ - KP needs to study his own dogma better.]
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Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 8:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


False. The definition of objective justification is that God "has declared [all sinners] righteous for the sake of Christ."

There is a difference between Christ possessing forgiveness, life, and salvation for all men, and God making an ineffective declaration of righteousness for the reprobate. The former is biblical Christianity. The latter is a damnable heresy of the grossest sort.

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Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 8:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Faith relies on Christ as Mediator, the propitiation, the Mercy Seat, His merits -- all as Daniel said.

I said faith is God-given.

Faith is that thing which God declares to be righteous. (Ap IV, 89)

How is it at all a work of man when FAITH IS GIVEN BY GOD?

If anything "objective justification" makes an individual look inward to his faith. If my justification is no different than the heathen, damned, unbeliever next to me, then all I have is to look at myself, my good works, and my faith because we're all justified anyway -- there's no difference between me and the unbeliever...God forgave them too, even though the holy spirit never brought them to repentance and faith.

"The very voice of the Gospel is this, that by faith (C.S. - in Christ as the Mediator and Mercy Seat) we obtain the remission of sins." (Ap XII, 2) The voice of the Gospel is not, "you're already forgiven, just believe it! And then go tell your unrepentant neighbor that he's righteous too!"

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Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 9:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Here is what we Lutherans confess in the Augsburg Confession:

Our churches also teach that men cannot be justified before God by their own strength, merits, or works but are freely justified for Christ’s sake through faith when they believe that they are received into favor and that their sins are forgiven on account of Christ, who by his death made satisfaction for our sins. This faith God imputes for righteousness in his sight (Rom. 3-4).

Pay attention, Christian Schulz and Daniel Baker. Pay attention to the verb believe and the noun faith in order to learn what is the object of faith. According to AC IV men are freely justified through faith when they believe what? When they believe “that they are received into favor and that their sins are forgiven on account of Christ, who by his death made satisfaction for our sins.” This is what faith believes. It believes that we are received into favor and that our sins are forgiven on account of Christ, who by his death made satisfaction for our sins.

When we speak of faith we are speaking of subjective justification. This faith God imputes for righteousness in his sight. What faith? The faith that believes that his sins are forgiven. “Are forgiven” is a reference to objective justification. There can be no subjective justification without a prior objective justification, for faith must have something to believe in.

Anyone who denies objective justification denies justification by faith alone.
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Mr. Schulz,

How did God give faith? Through the Word, right? Right! What word? The Gospel. Faith is created by and believes the Gospel. If God only justifies the believer, then justification must be something apart from the Gospel because the Gospel most certainly precedes faith.

But it's not. Justication (sic) is the Gospel, and the Gospel is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, and this faith comes by hearing the Gospel it believes. If it comes by hearing the Gospel it believes then the Gospel must precede faith which means that justification must precede faith because it is the Gospel which saves.

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What I am asking you two men to do is to take AC IV literally. It was crafted carefully and presents the biblical doctrine accurately. What does justifying faith believe? That's what you must consider. If you do so honestly, you will see that subjective justification requires objective justification.
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Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 9:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Christian Schulz writes:

The voice of the Gospel is not, "you're already forgiven, just believe it! And then go tell your unrepentant neighbor that he's righteous too!"

On the contrary, Mr. Schulz, that's exactly the voice of the Gospel. Yes, even Hitler, and Stalin, and Saul of Tarsus, the chief of sinners, were **declared** righteous **(justified)**.

The problem you are having is that you are fixated on the difference between you and your unrepentant neighbor. Faith doesn't look for a distinction, it looks for a promise - the very promise which brought it into existence: Your sins are forgiven!

I'll tell you here what I said on the "Karl Pierson for President" thread: Stop telling me what Jesus did for me if I believe, and just tell me what Jesus did.

Franz
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