ICHABOD, THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED - explores the Age of Apostasy, predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, to attack Objective Faithless Justification, Church Growth Clowns, and their ringmasters. The antidote to these poisons is trusting the efficacious Word in the Means of Grace. John 16:8. Isaiah 55:8ff. Romans 10. Most readers are WELS, LCMS, ELS, or ELCA. This blog also covers the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Left-wing, National Council of Churches denominations.
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Thursday, June 9, 2011
Defeat the New HIV Translation at the WELS Convention:
Posts about the Worst Translation Ever
Linked Here
This is the sticky post, so you can find the material about the feminazi, Adam-as-a-myth NIV translation that the WELS Changers are lusting to adopt.
The billionaire Murdoch owns Zondervan, so WELS will be lining his pockets while destroying sound doctrine.
If you have a good post to contribute, send it as a comment. I will feature it and link it here afterwards. You may contribute an opposing position on this, as long as you argue your case well.
WELS Adds To Its Sins
Jim Becker Has a Suggestion
WELS the Cutting Edge of Dumbing Down
Ray Klatt on Translations
WELS Church Lady on NNIV in Texas
AC V on Grabbing St. Paul by the Shoulders and Teaching Him Justification without Faith
Zorro on Pushing the NNIV Through...Fast
California Seconds Ray Klatt: The Main Issue - The Bible
Southern Babtists Utterly Reject the NNIV
Luther's Bible is the uncle of the KJV.
Wikipedia Knows More than Mequon.
WELS editor Braun Unglued Over NNIV Objections.
The practicing lesbian on the NIV committee.
South Central District, WELS, against deciding in 2011.
The Process for Getting Rid of the KJV and Installing the NIV.
Even Paul McCain is against the NNIV. Shock!
Criminal Charges against Murdoch
More about Bad Fathers and Bad Sons, Like Murdoch and Son
The United Church of Christ and Feminazi Language
WELS, McCain, and Otten Backing the Wrong Bible
The Spirit of New Biblism - While Ignoring the 400th Anniversary of Luther's English Bible
To Be Used at the WELS Convention - Lovin' It
Tyndale enrolled at Wittenberg to study under Luther and Melanchthon.
WELS Convention discussion against the NNIV.
The Process
No More Saints - Zero! - in the New NIV
Saints Aint
Joe Krohn on Romans 3:21 ff.
SP Schroeder's First Draft
Founder of Dynamic Equivalency NNIV - Dead
Two Methods To Defeat the NNIV
Read about Dean Burgon, Who Defended the KJV
Eight of the Worst Errors in the NNIV
ESV Editor, J. I. Packer, is a Calvinist.
The Evangelical Lutheran Synod is AGAINST the NNIV.
Geneva Gowns in a Bunch at LutherQueasy:
They Deny the Efficacy of the Word
The UOJ posting giants at LutherQueasy deny the efficacy of the Word and ignore the final theological work of Robert Preus. The first item shows their ignorance and blasphemy; the second their lack of discernment. But discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit, whose work they treat with contempt. Therefore, the Holy Spirit blinds their eyes and hardens their hearts as they strive to prove Knapp correct and St. Paul wrong.
Herman Otten's covert leaker, Pope Paul the Unlearned, started a thread on Bethany which sputtered to a stop.
What keeps Holy Communion from being a sacrament?
- WELS has vicars consecrate.
- WELS had women consecrating the elements, but that was put on hold. People are not ready for that...yet.
- WELS and Missouri have had laymen consecrate, due to a lack of pastors available.
- WELS, Missouri, and the LIttle Sect have argued that the elements are not consecrated until they are received by the communicant. That means women, men, and teens are consecrating by the act of receiving. The Syn Conference also argues, "We do not know when the elements are consecrated," which means they reject the efficacy of the Word.
- WELS has distributed the elements without consecrating them, proving that those involved do not believe in the efficacy of the Word.
- If a large crowd comes to church and communes, with some of them in an adjacent overflow room, listening on a speaker, are they receiving the consecrated elements?
- If the overflow room is the fellowship hall in the basement, are they communing properly?
- At a whale congregation, where hundreds come forward to communion, has everyone been examined, face-to-face, before the service? Has anyone?
- At a whale congregation, do the pastors know that every single person coming forward is a member of the congregation and in agreement with the Book of Concord? Because the UOJ pastors are not!
- If laymen take communion to the shut-ins, do they consecrate? Do the pastors consecrate before the trip, observing the Catholic reservation of the host?
- If the congregation runs out of consecrated elements, are they brought in and distributed without a new consecration? What is the exact distanced needed for the elements to be non-consecrated? Is the sacristy close enough or too far? What if the cupboard doors are closed?
- If the pastor is a blasphemer (as all UOJ Stormtroopers are), is the consecration valid? Or, do they think that someone who believes in the efficacy of the Word cannot properly offer Holy Communion?
- Is the woman pastor at Latte
LutheranChurch, the "minister of worship" there, consecrating? Is that valid if she is?
- ELCA seminary students, women, bragged in their annual report that they consecrated and baptized at the LCMS congregations where they were hired. Were those sacraments valid? I asked Pope Paul the Unlearned about this, in his plush Purple Palace office, but he refused to accept the facts or deal with them.
The efficacious Word of God consecrates the elements. We set up our Ustream service, like the teleconference services before, simply for our own members. Bethany does not practice or advocate open communion, unlike some in the WELS (the mission board), ELS (Jay Webber), Missouri, and ELCA (everyone).
One of the dunces on LutherQueasy tried to claim that I was unsupervised, did whatever I wanted. What I teach and do is under the supervision of the congregational members. We discuss many things. In fact, I value their help in all my publications. I get immediate responses after the services.
I do not spend time posting on other websites, discussing someone else's ministry. I find it bizarre that someone without a call and without an education would do so, without even asking. Such ignorant truculence has a way of betraying itself.
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Melanchthon - Repentance from the Augsburg Confession:
Shows That UOJ Is Blasphemy
"Of Repentance they teach that for those who have fallen after Baptism there is remission of sins whenever they are converted; and that the Church ought to impart absolution to those thus returning to repentance. Now, repentance consists properly of these two parts: One is contrition, that is, terrors smiting the conscience through the knowledge of sin; the other is faith, which is born of the Gospel, or of absolution, and believes that, for Christ's sake, sins are forgiven, comforts the conscience, and delivers it from terrors. Then good works are bound to follow, which are the fruits of repentance."
Augsburg Confession, Article XII. Repentance. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 49. Tappert, p. 34f. Heiser, p. 13.
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Medium Rare observed:
"If I ask most any pastor, "Just what is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?" I expect the answer would be unbelief.
UOJs deny God the Holy Spirit in their denial of Justification by Faith. They deny that Holy God, the Word and Sacrament are creating or birthing, and sustaining eternal life of souls. That is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
UOJ is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."
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Frosty Bivens, Valleskey Pal and Fuller Student
Unloads on the Sign of the Cross
AC V has left a new comment on your post "Teaching the Gospel Means Rejecting False Doctrine...":
June 2011 FICl, p.9:
Q: "Why do we Lutherans seldom make the sign of the cross?"
A: "It is a sacrament that earns indulgences... The simple gesture is linked to the horrible doctrines like the treasury of the merits and Mariolatry."
Contributing author Forrest Bivens, please cite source. Does anyone anywhere really think making the sign of the cross is a sacrament that earns indulgences? Give me a break.
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GJ - Bivens is inept, consistently so.
ELCA knows better, here.
Wikipedia knows.
Here is a Missouri Synod source.
Even Jay Webber knows.
Bivens is an excellent example of the man who saw a bear attack his brother. His took out his knife to stab the bear and killed his brother instead. That is what people do when they react blindly against anything they decided is Roman Catholic.
Bivens, in the spirit of unionistic Pietism, was happy to go to Fuller Seminary, just about the most anti-Christian, anti-Lutheran, anti-Biblical school around. But he is stabbing away at the sign of the cross.
I use it several times during each service, but - I went to Notre Dame...
And I read Luther.
If Only Luther Had Gone to Halle University,
Or Mequon, Or Concordia Seminary,
Or the Little Schoolhouse on the Prairie
Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Let's Not Go Crazy on This Justification by Faith ...":
Luther, in his essay on Galatians, clearly shows that the Lutheran (sic) Synod's attack against Christ's Gospel with their promotion of Universal Objective Justification (Universal Reconciliation, General Justification, Objective Justification) is the real persecution by the Antichrist, in the last times. The UOJ denizens of Luther Qwest, Rolf Preus, Paul McCain, Jack Kilcrease, Jon Buchholz, Nathan Seiltz, Mark Zarling, (W)ELS South Central District clergy, Evergreen Lutheran High School, James Humann, S.W. Becker, Wendland etc, etc, are all active contributors to the denigration of the author and finisher of saving Christian faith, Jesus Christ.
12. As before said, they regard faith of slight importance; for they do not understand that it is our sole justifier. To accept as true the record of Christ--this they call faith. The devils have the same sort of faith, but it does not make them godly. Such belief is not Christian faith; no, it is rather deception.
15. ...You see how they make faith of no value to themselves, and so must regard as heresy all doctrine based upon it. Thus they do away with the whole Gospel. These are they who deny the Christian faith and exterminate it from the world. Paul prophesied concerning them when he said (1 Tim 4, 1): "In later times some shall fall away from the faith." The voice of faith is now silenced all over the world. Indeed, faith is condemned and banished as the worst heresy, and all who teach and endorse it are condemned with it. The Pope, the bishops, charitable institutions, cloisters, high schools, unanimously opposed it for nearly four hundred years, and simply drove the world violently into hell. Their conduct is the real persecution by Antichrist, in the last times.
22. Now, the Cain-like saints have not, as they themselves confess, the Christian faith which would assure them of being the children of God.
29. You cannot extricate yourself from unbelief, nor can the Law do it for you. All your works in intended fulfillment of the Law must remain works of the Law and powerless to justify in the sight of God, who regards as just only believing children.
37. Note, Paul everywhere teaches justification, not by works, but solely by faith; and not as a process, but instantaneous. The testament includes in itself everything--justification, salvation, the inheritance and great blessing. Through faith it is instantaneously enjoyed, not in part, but all. Truly is it plain, then, that faith alone affords such blessings of God, justification and salvation-- immediately and not in process as must be the case with works
74. But what is the process whereby Christ gives us such a spirit and redeems us from under the Law? The work is effected solely by faith. He who believes that Christ came to redeem us, and that he has accomplished it, is really redeemed. As he believes, so is it with him. Faith carries with it the child-making spirit. The apostle here explains by saying that Christ has redeemed us from under the Law that we might receive the adoption of sons. As before stated, all must be effected through faith. Now we have discussed the five points of the verse.
Luther on Faith - http://www.trinitylutheranms.org/MartinLuther/MLSermons/Galatians4_1_7.html
Now is the time to make a bold and public confession concerning the true Gospel of Christ. Denounce and refute the false man-made gospel of UOJ by the grace and mercy of God.
In Christ,
Brett
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Let's Not Go Crazy on This Justification by Faith Heresy,
Say WELS and the Syn Conference.
Knapp Is a Snap To Learn
Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "AC V - Grabbing St. Paul by the Shoulders, Teachin...":
I started out to quote more Buchholz false teachings in his 2005 Convention essay but ran across these Stoeckhardt quotes that are honored by the (W)ELS:
George Stoeckhardt writes:
"Never in this sense do we hear it presented: I believe; I am conscious of the fact that I believe on my Savior. Therefore I am justified in the sight of God. A believing Christian does not make the pulse of his faith-life the criterion of his state of grace… The believer rather makes this conclusion: O, how godless I still am. Out of my heart godless thoughts continue to arise. There is no doubt but that I am a poor, unworthy sinner. My sin is ever before me. But now God’s Word tells me, that God has already declared godless Sinners righteous. Thus I belong without any doubt whatsoever in the number of those whom God justifies (St. Römerbrief, p. 185)."
"When we twenty-first century, English-speaking, WELS Lutherans consider this comparison, we realize that we indeed owe a debt of gratitude to Professor
Stoeckhardt. As heirs of the Wauwatosa theology, we see Stoeckhardt’s influence on our approach to the Scriptures, to theology in general, to the Lutheran Confessions, to the Lutheran fathers, and to Luther himself. Certainly, our Wauwatosa forefathers imitated Stoeckhardt; Koehler actually sat at Stoeckhardt’s feet during his days at Concordia Seminary. Through their faithful imitation and transmission of Stoeckhardt’s approach, we enjoy the blessings of Stoeckhardt’s work today." Page 4
http://www.wlsessays.net/files/WillkommStoeckhardt.pdf
Here are quotes that are not honored by the (W)ELS:
Christ declares in Scripture:
2 Corinthians 13:5, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
BOC: 6] Let any one of the adversaries come forth and tell us when remission of sins takes place. O good God, what darkness there is! They doubt whether it is in attrition or in contrition that remission of sins occurs. And if it occurs on account of contrition, what need is there of absolution, what does the power of the keys effect, if sins have been already remitted?…"
http://www.bookofconcord.org/defense_10_repentance.php
BOC: 64] But since we speak of such faith as is not an idle thought, but of that which liberates from death and produces a new life in hearts [which is such a new light, life, and force in the heart as to renew our heart, mind, and spirit, makes new men of us and new creatures,] and is the work of the Holy Ghost; this does not coexist with mortal sin [for how can light and darkness coexist?]
http://www.bookofconcord.org/defense_4_justification.php
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Barna Feeds the Beast
Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Monthly Viewing Up 38% From One Year Ago.2,000 Pag...":
Barna's research since 2005 states that 43% of American's believe in Universalism.
http://www.barna.org/faith-spirituality/484-what-americans-believe-about-universalism-and-pluralism
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Monthly Viewing Up 38% From One Year Ago.
2,000 Page-Reads a Day Common Now
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AC V - Grabbing St. Paul by the Shoulders, Teaching Him Justification without Faith
AC V has left a new comment on your post "NNIV in WELS: Pro and Con. The Convicts Love the ...":
Re NNIV "improvements":
In some passages of great theological significance, a significant improvement can genuinely assist the reader in grasping the truth of God’s Word. Similarly, a significant weakening can obscure what our God would have us know (see criterion # 4 above). Among the former, we might point to Romans 3:23-24, so crucial to our understanding of justification:
NIV84 Ro 3:23-24 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
New NIV Ro 3:23-24 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
The addition of the little word “all” is significant, since it clarifies Paul’s intended meaning: God has declared all guilty sinners not guilty by his gracious, saving work in Christ Jesus.
- p. 5, lines 167-173, "Translation Evaluation committee - Supplemental Report for the 2011 WELS Convention." Pastor John A. Braun, Professor Kenneth A. Cherney Jr., Professor Thomas P. Nass, Pastor Joel V. Petermann, Prof. Paul O. Wendland.
Did you catch that: "since it clarifies Paul’s intended meaning"? Wow, to know the mind of St. Paul! "Paul, you're not teaching UOJ. We'll help you out there."
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GJ - I took the headline from Luther's description of false teachers. Here we have an excellent example of papalism in the Wisconsin Sect, seeking out support for their false doctrine.
Watch the Little Sect on the Prairie cringe and fawn.
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NIV WELS
Dr. Lito Cruz Was Saying This About Mary.
Infallible Doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church
Meet Father Neuhaus there.
Watch "Party in the MLC" - part of the torture in Purgatory.
The zeal and love of the Blessed Virgin Mary have such influence in obtaining God’s help for us that, just as through her, God came down to earth, so through her, man mounts up to heaven. But just as man’s iniquity often calls down God’s indignation, God’s Mother is the rainbow of the eternal covenant for mankind’s salvation. For, while the prayers of those in heaven have certainly some claim on the watchful eye of God, Mary’s prayers place their assurance on the right of a mother. For that reason, when she approaches the throne of her Divine Son, she begs as an advocate, she prays as a handmaid, but she commands as mother.
Pope Pius X, Apost. Consti, Tanto studio, February 19, 1905. Mary, Mother of the Church, p. 9.
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WELS To Add to Its Sins with the NNIV.
Adam Is a Myth.
Everyone Is Born Forgiven
AC V has left a new comment on your post "NNIV in WELS: Pro and Con. The Convicts Love the ...":
NNIV Romans 3:23,24:
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Italicized "all" is not in the original Greek. Yet the "ad fontes" WELS endorses the NNIV. In fact, the committee commending the NNIV to the synod in convention this summer highlights these verses as an improvement of the NIV.
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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Read This Response to Patterson's Excommunicating ...":
2138, excellent points. Thanks for highlighting them.
Everyone, think about it. Let it sink in. These are profound observations. And right under your nose... as LutherRocks said, for centuries.
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GJ -
Born free, as free as Hugh Hefner,
As free as a Changer
Born free to follow your whims.
Live free, spent bottles surround you
Repentance astounds you
Each time you look at a star.*
Stay free, where no one can say "No."
You're free as a roaring Id
So no impulse is hid.
Born free, thanks to NNIV
But just that NIV
Says you're born free!
*Scholars are divided, but many think this refers to Katy Perry or Fergie.
Read This Response to Patterson's Excommunicating
Joe and Lisa Krohn
- 2138 said...
- "As Lutherans, we believe that the Holy Spirit is never separated from the Word or the Means of Grace. It is mentioned throughout Scripture and in the Lutheran Confessions in the explanation of the Third Article of the Apostles Creed. Note that the forgiveness of sins is here and not in the Second Article; it is a work of the Holy Spirit:" I believe you may be on to something, highlighting the location of "the forgiveness of sins" in the Creed. It does not read, "...was crucified, died, forgiving the sins of the world whether they believe it or not, and was buried." It does not read, "On the third day he rose again from the dead, distributing forgiveness to the entire world." The Gausewitz catechism did not speak of a blanket forgiveness of the world, apart from the Means of Grace. "263. To whom does God forgive sins? To me and all believers. 264. Where are sins forgiven? In the Christian Church on earth." There was a noticeable change in the Kuske catechism's treatment of the forgiveness of sins. Strangely, the word "forgiveness" is not even used in the following questions/answers from the "Forgiveness of Sins" section! "253. How many people did God declare righteous? God declared all people righteous (Objective justification). 255. Why is it important, then, that the Holy Ghost work faith in me? It is important that the Holy Ghost work faith in me so that I do not trust in my own works but only in the righteousness God gives me by grace in Christ (Subjective justification)."
- June 8, 2011 8:49 PM
- LutherRocks said...
- I'm not onto anything new 2138...Luther and the reformers were onto the truth 400 years ago amid the garbage of the day...the apostates still try to cover the truth with garbage...
Jim Becker Has a Suggestion
norcal763 has left a new comment on your post "Everyone in the World Is Forgiven--Except Rich Tec...":
When are we gonna mobilize? There are 350,000-plus members, dozens of malcontents on this blog, pastors loyal to the truth, and even more pastors who will flip when we prevail. There are a few apostates and a handful of Synod "leaders" who won't step up. WE SURROUND THEM! How many good Lutherans have to be spiritually martyred before we do something? We need a March on Milwaukee to take back the Synod. Then on to Appleton to pull a Luther and throw the goods at their backs as they leave town. It's summer and we can MAKE the time. E-mail: jsbtjbec@pacbell.net.
Party's over, creeps.
Jim Becker
Karen has left a new comment on your post "Everyone in the World Is Forgiven--Except Rich Tec...":
I do not think that they are really malcontents. Perhaps people who have woke up and realized that their church is no longer their church. Many of the WELS pastors are faithful however; their marching orders come from the WELS Mafioso (synod). We need to get the “family” out of the synod. Norcal763 is right it is now or never.
Teaching the Gospel Means Rejecting False Doctrine
Many pleasant reconciliations have taken place in the last few months. Although some people have set their nasty meter on max, others have contacted me to renew old friendships or start new ones. The Gospel accomplishes such good things, because the power of the Word of God is greater than anything man can imagine.
The passage above is a good illustration, especially in these days of side-stepping to Rome (sinuflecting). The Lutherans who follow Father Neuhaus in gradually embracing Rome, with as many victims as possible, will never post that quotation from the Augsburg Confession.
The true Gospel is expressed beautifully in Luther's sermons, the Book of Concord, Chemnitz, and Chytraeus. Anyone who wants comfort and strength should begin and end with those works.
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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Teaching the Gospel Means Rejecting False Doctrine...":
The crypto-papist Lutherans mainly I observe from LC-MS can not relate to the above words.
As an ex-RC kid, I was taught by the priest and nuns that Momma Mary is more merciful than Jesus. In fact we had pictures of Christ stern and always now ready to pounce. So they teach that Mary is much milder, gentler than Christ, this is still their teaching today.
You need Mary as your fixer to Jesus.
LPC
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GJ - Yes, Dr. Cruz. I have a quotation I will soon publish on this. One writer observed religious art where Mary is physically restraining Jesus from hitting the sinner. The trouble with lowest-common-denominator religion is that it keeps getting lower all the time. Thus the Enthusiasts of the Syn Conference train their disciples to become Enthusiasts for the Church of Rome. If Whorely Mother Church must be adored as the true religion (WELS, LCMS, Little Sect on the Prairie), then why not "return to Rome" where they do it right? No one has better assembly-line saints, works salesmen, and propaganda than Rome.
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Absolution? -
ACV Implies a Means of Grace Model,
Instead of the Thrivent Business Approach
AC V has left a new comment on your post "Absolution - As Though We Heard a Voice from Heave...":
When was the last time you heard a synod official encourage a return to the practice of regular reception of Private Absolution (i.e. scheduled on the church calendar) as a way to spiritual renewal of your church/synod?
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Melanchthon - The Sacraments as the Visible Word
And God, at the same time, by the Word and by the rite, moves hearts to believe and conceive faith, just as Paul says, Rom. 10:17: Faith cometh by hearing. But just as the Word enters the ear in order to strike our heart, so the rite itself strikes the eye, in order to move the heart. The effect of the Word and of the rite is the same, as it has been well said by Augustine that a Sacrament is a visible word, because the rite is received by the eyes, and is, as it were, a picture of the Word, signifying the same thing as the Word. Therefore the effect of both is the same.
Apology of the Augsburg Confession, XIII, #5. Book of Concord.
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Melanchthon - The Sacraments and Their Efficacy
"If we call Sacraments rites which have the command of God, and to which the promise of grace has been added, it is easy to decide what are properly Sacraments...Therefore Baptism, the Lord's Supper, and Absolution, which is the Sacrament of Repentance, are truly Sacraments. For these rites have God's command and the promise of grace, which is peculiar to the New Testament. For when we are baptized, when we eat the Lord's body, when we are absolved, our hearts must be firmly assured that God truly forgives us for Christ's sake. And God, at the same time, by the Word and by the rite, moves hearts to believe and conceive faith, just as Paul says, Romans 10:17: 'Faith cometh by hearing.' But just as the Word enters the ear in order to strike our heart, so the rite itself strikes the eye, in order to move the heart. The effect of the Word and of the rite is the same as it has been well said by Augustine that a Sacrament is a visible word, because the rite is received by the eyes, and is, as it were, a picture of the Word, signifying the same thing as the Word. Therefore the effect of both is the same."
[Luther, Bab Captivity, 3 sacraments]
Apology Augsburg Confession, XIII,#3. Number/Use Sacraments. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 309. Tappert, p. 211. Heiser, p. 94.
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Wednesday, June 8, 2011
WELS - The Cutting Edge of Dumbing Down
norcal763 has left a new comment on your post "NNIV in WELS: Pro and Con. The Convicts Love the ...":
Assisting the dumbing down of the churches-WELS is LEADING it. Read Forward in Crisis, donation solicitation letters to members, or any Synod tracts-they read like Guideposts meets Mr.Rogers.
Absolution - As Though We Heard a Voice from Heaven
"On this account, as the Augsburg Confession in Article XI says, we also retain private absolution, and teach that it is God's command that we believe such absolution, and should regard it as sure that, when we believe the word of absolution, we are as truly reconciled to God as though we had heard a voice from heaven, as the Apology explains this article. This consolation would be entirely taken from us if we were not to infer the will of God towards us from the call which is made through the Word and through the Sacraments."
Formula of Concord, SD, XI. #38. Of God's Eternal Election. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 1075. Tappert, p. 622. Heiser, p. 289.
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Ray Klatt - On Translations
raklatt (http://raklatt.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "NNIV in WELS: Pro and Con. The Convicts Love the ...":
I applaud the efforts of Pastors Boehringer and Tomczak. If the NNIV can be kept from adoption by WELS, that will be a good thing.
On the other hand, the choices offered as alternatives seem less than satisfactory to me. Let us look at a couple of passages only. My research time is limited.
KJV/ 21st Century KJV Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore and teach all nations…..
and
KJV/21st Century KJV 1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless: is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break: is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
In the Matthew passage, the ESV, HCSB, NASB and the NKJV all convert ‘teach’ into ‘make disciples’. The discussion has been going on a long time. It is the Holy Spirit who makes disciples through their hearing of the Word. Pastors and laymen alike do not make disciples. Instead, they can only teach people using the Word. The Holy Spirit, always with the Word, does the making.
William Beck in his AAT and Young’s Literal both say “disciple all nations”. That is awkward in English but common sense would indicate they are both saying ‘teach’. Luther once said of his efforts at translation that it is difficult to make Hebrew speak German. So, too, it must be difficult to make some Greek verbs speak either German or English. We do not understand ‘disciple’ as a verb. We do understand ‘teach’.
Luther’s translation says ‘lehret alle Volker’, which may well be where the King James folks got ‘teach’.
In the Corinthians passage, there is wider variance. Instead of ‘communion’, the ESV used ‘participation’ along with the NIV. The HCSB and the NASB both say ‘sharing in the blood/body’. Young’s Literal uses the term ‘fellowship’. It seems to me that ‘sharing’ and ‘fellowship’ are not specific and would need many additional words to be precise. The sacrament is in fact Christ coming to us individually. That would eliminate politically correct sharing. The NKJV retains ‘communion’ as does the AAT.
Luther employs ’gemeinschaft’ which I found means ‘community’. Close enough.
Looking at 1 Corinthians 10:18, we find enough variations to cause serious confusion.
As an old Lutheran, brought up on the King James version, I will stick with the KJV and the 21st Century KJV. The latter only attempts to relieve the confusion created by some of the old words, because they have become obsolete or indefinable, by substituting reasonable alternatives. The 21st Century King James Version holds well to the King James text and does not tinker with verses that are key to the Lutheran doctrine, the Christian faith.
Could it be that the search for the best translation would lead not to a choice among the most popular current translations but to the English translation that has been around the longest, is close to Tyndale and to Luther, and has done a good job for 400 years? Seems like a good idea to me. If people have been so poorly taught and find the KJV or the 21st Century KJV hard to deal with, that is what Bible Study classes are for.
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GJ - That is an excellent post, Ray. I talked this over with Mrs. Ichabod, fluent in German.
LUO 1 Corinthians 10:16 Der gesegnete Kelch, welchen wir segnen, ist der nicht die Gemeinschaft des Blutes Christi? Das Brot, das wir brechen, ist das nicht die Gemeinschaft des Leibes Christi?
She agreed that Gemeinschaft is "getting together" and communion is a good English translation of the German. Or we might say the German means "togetherness with," although I would not use that even in the Jackson Living Bible.
English is profoundly influenced by German and Latin.
The Latin is communicatio - communion.
Participation is lame and anti-Sacramental.
WELS already has its Bible, the NIV. They excommunicate those who disagree with it.
The NIV rejects the sacraments and turns a Gospel admonition into Law - Go and manufacture disciples (diciples for Stetzer). The essence of Church Growth is manufacturing disciples, anti-Sacramental Pietism. Joel Gerlach, the WELS sem professor who studied at Fuller, argued in an essay - disciples making disciples who make disciples who make disciples. And no one laughed!
Because Fuller and Willow Creek--the main training centers for the faculties and staff of WELS and Missouri--are also feminazi centers, a feminazi Bible is required.
The Shrinkers will fight hard for the NNIV, because they have principles.
The so-called conservatives do not have principles. They will compromise on anything to get that foreign mission call, that new parish, that bowl of lentils.
I have a variation on the new WELS mantra: "We all know that no translation is perfect."
Mine is, "We all know that no one has improved on the KJV, which is modeled after Luther's."
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Ray Klatt added:
My thanks to Mrs. Ichabod for her fluency in German and to Ichabod for expanding on 'Gemeinschaft". I had to leave it at 'close enough' due to time constraints.
I was glad when my lengthy remarks were accepted as a comment. I was overwhelmed when they showed up as a separate post. Thank you for adding that very appropriate graphic. If all the effort indicates is there are people out here who care about what the Word says, the time was well spent.
I appreciated all your comments below the graphic. I got stirred up when all those inadequate translations were suggested as possibles. Lutherans forget to inquire where those translations come from and who was involved with them. I told Mark Porinsky at Faith/Dexter a long time ago that I was amazed that the WELS reps who attended the NIV84 meetings didn't walk out in disgust. The reaction was a blank stare.
To be concerned about why the NIV84 texts can no longer be used after a certain date is to miss the point. Any company or corporation under the control of Rupert Murdoch is out to make money. Murdoch's Zonderan then becomes a Schwan Foundation in reverse. Funny world.
Thanks again. I hope I have helped to stir the right pot.
Ray Klatt
NNIV in WELS: Pro and Con.
The Convicts Love the Feminist,
Adam-as-a-Myth Translation
- Pastor Boehringer said...
- At the Western Wisconsin District's teacher-pastor conference in Watertown yesterday (June 7, 2011) John Braun, a member of the Translation Review Committee, announced that the Committee is recommending adoption of the 2011 NIV for our NPH publications. (http://www.wels.net/news-events/forward-in-christ/bible-revision-new-international-version-2010) I hope that the Synod-in-convention this July seriously considers an alternative to Zondervan's rapid and unilateral revision and to our Committee's recommendation: a joint project of the WELS and the ELS to produce a confessional Lutheran Bible translation. I can't think of a better gift to the Church-at-large for the 500th Anniversary of the Reformation than a translation that captures the majestic promises of the Messianic psalms, that is clear about our roles as women and men, and leaves fashionable gender politics out of Scripture. These are just a few issues with the NIV 2011 and other translations. We want a Bible that is allowed to speak for itself. We can do this! I believe that our congregations would rally around an opportunity to support a project of this magnitude and importance. In the spirit of being proactive, having our own translation doesn't make us a cult. (Those who consider us a cult already do, and many of them currently belong to our synod or have already left it.) Instead of isolating us from communion of saints, our own translation will give us something valuable to share with the wider Church. I don't want to be held captive to every future change that Zondervan, Biblica, and the Committee on Bible Translation deem necessary. (Their decision not to offer the NIV 1984 alongside this new revision strikes me as odd. I've asked them to comment on this strange business decision, but have received no answer. I asked John Braun to pass along my question to them.) Let's not settle for the "best current option." Let's spend the time and treasure now to bring the Scriptures to life with clarity and boldness! We can do this by God's grace. In Christ and Him crucified, Pastor Luke Boehringer
- June 8, 2011 1:43 PM
- Pr. Benjamin Tomczak said...
- On Monday, the South Central District met for pre-Synod Convention business and sent a memorial to the Synod in Convention resolving "that we urge the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod in its 2011 convention to commission a thorough study of the other leading options among the current Bible translations for use in our publications (An American Translation [AAT, Beck], English Standard Version [ESV], Holman Christian Standard Bible [HCSB], New American Standard Bible [NASB], and New King James Version [NKJV]), to be reported to the constituency of our synod; and be it further "resolved, that we urge this study to be conducted with the serious consideration that one of these other translations may be more appropriate for use in WELS publications; and be it further "resolved,that we urge the 2011 convention to make no decision regarding which translation the WELS will use in its official publications." For the full memorial with whereas' and what not, go to http://scdwels.wordpress.com/reports/ This is not to speak against your motion, Luke, of producing a Lutheran translation and (perhaps also) study Bible. We discussed, briefly, the merits of a translation, and one of our pastors (and co-author of this memorial) spoke positively for our ability to do what your asking -- produce such a translation. He also pooh-poohed, as you did, the cult-like aspect of such a project. He honestly believes the day of a "universal" translation across English-speaking Christendom (a la KJV and NIV84) is over. It's a translation time of the Judges. What a thought -- celebrate the anniversary of the Reformation with not just a new hymnal (which is planned for 2024) but with a new Bible translation! Here's the "meantime" question, which my Lutheran grade school teacher wife brought up -- what do our schools do in the meantime while we're up in the air about a translation (and perhaps for a time without the "approved" NIV unless Biblica extends our usage permission past 2013)? Grace and peace, Pr. Benjamin Tomczak
Joe and Lisa Krohn
On Their Excommunication
Monday, June 6, 2011
Excommunication - An Open Letter to the Members of Holy Word Lutheran Church
As Lutherans, we believe that the Holy Spirit is never separated from the Word or the Means of Grace. It is mentioned throughout Scripture and in the Lutheran Confessions in the explanation of the Third Article of the Apostles Creed. Note that the forgiveness of sins is here and not in the Second Article; it is a work of the Holy Spirit:
"I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord, or come to Him; but the Holy Ghost has called me by the Gospel, enlightened me with His gifts, sanctified and kept me in the true faith; even as He calls, gathers, enlightens, and sanctifies the whole Christian Church on earth, and keeps it with Jesus Christ in the one true faith; in which Christian Church He forgives daily and richly all sins to me and all believers, and at the last day will raise up me and all the dead, and will give to me and to all believers in Christ everlasting life. This is most certainly true."
As Lutherans we also believe this statement to be true and the hallmark of our faith:
"The sinner is justified by grace for Christ’s sake through faith."
You can not separate that sentence in any way shape or form or you end up teaching falsely.
And this from The Apology IV, 57; it talks of the object of our justification and the remission of sins through faith alone:
"57] And throughout the prophets and the psalms this worship, this latreiva, is highly praised, although the Law does not teach the gratuitous remission of sins. But the Fathers knew the promise concerning Christ, that God for Christ's sake wished to remit sins. Therefore, since they understood that Christ would be the price for our sins, they knew that our works are not a price for so great a matter [could not pay so great a debt]. Accordingly, they received gratuitous mercy and remission of sins by faith, just as the saints in the New Testament.
More on justification hence forgiveness through faith alone. Apology XII, 53 &54:
53] For the two chief works of God in men are these, to terrify, and to justify and quicken those who have been terrified. Into these two works all Scripture has been distributed. The one part is the Law, which shows, reproves, and condemns sins. The other part is the Gospel, i.e., the promise of grace bestowed in Christ, and this promise is constantly repeated in the whole of Scripture, first having been delivered to Adam [I will put enmity, etc., Gen. 3:15, afterwards to the patriarchs; then, still more clearly proclaimed by the prophets; lastly, preached and set forth among the Jews by Christ, and disseminated over the entire world by the apostles. 54] For all the saints were justified by faith in this promise, and not by their own attrition or contrition.
Nowhere in Scripture or the Confessions does it say that the forgiveness of sins/justification is imputed to anyone before they were born as Pastor Patterson preaches and teaches. The work of the Holy Spirit is working faith and the forgiveness of sins. We know that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:17) If we are not yet born, how do we hear it?
Since you are entrusting your spiritual welfare to the leadership at Holy Word, you are culpable to their actions on your behalf. I have stood on Biblical truth and the Book of Concord, your profession of faith.
This from the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod website concerning excommunication:
"Congregations must excommunicate members who have sinned and refuse to repent even though their fellow Christians have warned them according to the steps described in Matthew 18:15-18. An excommunicated person cannot attend the Lord's Supper or exercise any rights of membership in the congregation.
A member can be excommunicated only if his (or her) action is clearly against God's law, if it is proven that he is guilty of sin, and if he has refused warnings to repent. Scripture says an impenitent person has no forgiveness of sins. Excommunication, therefore, does not simply exclude an individual from membership in the congregation, but declares that the offender has excluded himself from eternal life since no impenitent person has forgiveness of sins and no unforgiven person can enter heaven.
The congregation excommunicates a person in the hope that this drastic step will lead the sinner to come to his senses and repent. The excommunicated person will then be welcomed back to the congregation.
Excommunication, therefore, is an act of love for sinners, aimed at saving them from the eternal consequences of impenitence.
When the case has not yet proceeded to the point of excommunication, a pastor who knows that a person is impenitent should warn him or her not to come to communion, since it offers forgiveness only to the repentant. Those who come without repentance bring harm upon themselves by misuse of the sacrament. Exclusion from the Lord's Supper has the same evangelical purpose as excommunication: to bring the sinner to repentance. The pastor can take such action only if the guilt and impenitence of the person are clearly established but the congregation has not yet had an opportunity to act on the case."
Where have we broken God's Law?
We pray you realize the graveness in all of this.
In His Grace,
Joe and Lisa
Everyone in the World Is Forgiven--
Except Rich Techlin, Joe and Lisa Krohn--
According to UOJ Expert Tim Glende, Deputy Doug Englebrecht, Kudu Don Patterson,
And the WELS COP

Without warning, St. Peter Congregation terminated my fellowship with the WELS as a persistent errorist. This means that St. Peter Congregation has marked me as someone all WELS congregations and members should avoid lest my influence corrupt their faith. (Please see the post entitled “Terminated from WELS Fellowship“).
In my letter appealing this wrongful termination of fellowship, I asked District President Engelbrecht to give me a letter allowing me to commune at other WELS Churches pending my appeal. (April 30, 2011 appeal letter). In a letter dated May 6, 2011, District President Engelbrecht responded:
In regards to your question about communion, I am seeking the advice of my brothers on the Conference of Presidents. My own opinion at this point in time is that since the termination of your membership was because you publicly stated that you are not in doctrinal agreement with your pastors, your congregation, the district, and other leaders in the WELS, another WELS pastor would have difficulty allowing you to partake of Holy Communion … at least not without him consulting with your former pastors to get their blessing. I know that you said those words were taken out of context, but they were made public and were taken at face value and bear consequences that may not be to your liking. [May 6, 2011 letter from District President Engelbrecht].It has now been over a month with no new word. That May 6th letter was the last communication I received from District President Engelbrecht.
Thus, as part of my submission of written materials for the Appeal Board on May 24, 2011, I asked Pastor Wenzel, the chair of the Appeal Board, if he would be able to provide me with such a letter. (May 24, 2011 appeal cover letter). His only response to date has been that the Appeal Board hopes to arrive at a decision regarding my appeal within a few weeks. So far, I have not been invited to speak with the Appeal Board.
Nonetheless, at the invitations of Pastor Martin and Pastor Suhr, at St. John Lutheran Church (WELS), during the Divine Service I received Holy Communion on May 29, June 5, and June 6, 2011 A.D. I have also been invited to receive Holy Communion at other WELS churches by other WELS pastors. These pastors are not intending to despise the fellowship practices of the WELS, rather they are confident that I am in doctrinal fellowship with the WELS notwithstanding the bogus declarations of St. Peter Congregation.
I do not wish to be a catalyst for strife, but duly called and ordained servants of the Lord have offered and are offering me this precious gift, and what the Lord gives, I want to receive.
These pastors are also fully aware of my circumstances, and I am grateful to them beyond measure. They stand in the place of Christ not only to distribute His gifts, but they also stand in the place of Christ because they are willing to potentially sacrifice a great deal to distribute His gifts. Unlike some, these servants are not greater than their Master who sacrificed everything (John 15:20), but through grace alone as servants of the Word they share in His glory that is hidden in the cross. And on the last day, they will also share in His triumph.
May the Lord bless and protect His true servants.
Field of Dreams Evangelism - Brought to WELS by Perish Consultants and Cornerstone
rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "More Enthusiasm":
This is a another good example of Field of Dreams evangelism - if you build it, they will come. Here at Ichabod, this is also known as masonry evangelism, as in bricks and mortar. To paraphrase a line from the movie, - "is this heaven? No, this is South Dakota, just north of Iowa."
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GJ - I am guessing that many WELS parishes have gone through this process.
1. The congregation seems stagnant, because they do not trust the Means of Grace or the efficacy of the Word.
2. The Church and Change synod-minders finagle an invite from a Perish Consultant, known for the congregations they have polarized and ruined.
3. The Perish Consultant, trained in Fuller methods, says they need a pop music service and a huge capital funds appeal. If pop music is too bold, a blended service will take the parish into Fuller-land in baby steps.
4. The parish hires Cornerstone to raise a ton of money, which usually falls short. If not, the building plans are like the first payment of a deluxe car, much easier to make than all the rest.
5. The parish languishes under huge debt and the ridiculous notion--now exposed as false--that bricks and mortar evangelize.
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Their Father Below Does Not Appreciate the Laity Studying the Word of God and the Confessions
I have noticed two trends lately.
One is an upsurge in responses--often private--from pastors, teachers, and laity. They come from all over, all ages, men and women, all synods.
Another trend is an exponential increase in pure nastiness from the UOJ clan and the Shrinker fans, not that they are separate groups. Many UOJ advocates claim to oppose Fuller's Enthusiasm, but they have muzzled themselves well for the last 20-30 years.
The UOJ-Shrinkers are scared. A lower level recession, really a Great Depression, is drying up even more funds. Shrinkers always relied on big spending to hide their incompetence. Many of them are quite Biblical - "I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed." Luke 16:3. Some of them have been on the Church Girth diet, gaining 150 pounds.
They would do well if they could cover their critics with garbage, as they have in the past, while hiding the criminal records of their pals, which they also did without fear or reprisal. But alas, the times are past when people read the synod PR vehicles with baby blue eyes. They are more likely to do their own research and to stay in contact with one another.
For instance, the ELCA bishop over Moline, Illinois, my home town, was unable to bully Faith in Moline into staying in his lavender synod. He even earned himself a Photoshop, which was sent to his office. The officials were filled with wrath over a Photoshop but not over anything significant, such as overturning the Nine Commandments. (The bishop was fond of the Eighth, like all his tribe.)
I had already posted the secret Mark and Avoid Jeske petition in WELS when a contact wrote, "Do you know about Jeske petition?" I responded, "It's already posted." He said, "But it was a secret." I said, "The blog knows all." (That is definitely not true, but it's fun to claim.)
The idea was to gather all these signatures from the usual suspects and present it at the WELS convention, forcing a vote. I was told, "Mr. Ichabod. Tear down that post." Somehow, merely copying their petition would ruin its chance, due to my reputation for telling the truth.
That has worked so well for them in the last 30+ years: cower in the rabbit warren, trembling lest some Shrinker say "Boo!", and hint about how something might be wrong, adding "But I am probably mistaken."
SP Schroeder can get Herman Otten to print lies on the front page of Christian News, but he cannot Photoshop the truth. Like many amateur Photoshops, the lies only make the flaws show up in greater contrast.
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Chrysostom - The Hem of His Garment and Holy Communion
Chrysostom:
"If those who touched the hem of His garment were properly healed, how much more shall we be strengthened if we have Him in us whole? He will quiet in us the savage law of our members, He will quench the perturbations of the mind, drive out all sicknesses, raise us up from every fall, and, when the power of the enemy has been overcome, He will incite us to true piety and indeed will transform us into His own image."
Martin Chemnitz, Examination of the Council of Trent, trans., Fred Kramer, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1986, II, p. 234.
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Tuesday, June 7, 2011
Luther - Infant Baptism
"I still maintain, as I have maintained in the Postil (SL 11, 496f.) that the surest Baptism is infant Baptism. For an old person may deceive, may come to Christ as a Judas and permit himself to be baptized. But a child cannot deceive. It comes to Christ in Baptism as John came to Him and as the little children were brought to Him, that His Word and work may come over them, touch them, and thus make them holy. For His Word and work cannot pass by without effect; and in Baptism they are directed at the child alone. If they were to fail of success here, they would have to be entire failures and useless means, which is impossible."
What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, I, p. 50. Letter to two ministers, 1528.
Chemnitz - On Holy Communion
"The body of Christ is to the sick a medicine, to pilgrims a way; it strengthens the weak, delights the strong, heals weariness, preserves health. Through it man becomes more gentle under reproof, more patient under labor, more ardent for love, wiser for caution, more ready to obey, more devoted to giving of thanks."
Martin Chemnitz, Examination of the Council of Trent, trans., Fred Kramer, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1986, II, p. 234.
Luther - On Baptism and Faith
"How beautifully the apostle in these strong words extols the grace of God bestowed in baptism! He refers to baptism as a washing, whereby not our feet only, not our hands, but our whole bodies are cleansed. Baptism perfectly and instantaneously cleanses and saves. For the vital part of salvation and its inheritance, nothing more is necessary than this faith in the grace of God. Truly, then, are we saved by grace alone, without works or other merit."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 154. Early Christmas Morning. Titus 3:5.
His Mother's ELCA Congregation Could Not Get a Straight Interim Pastor
ALPB Forum
I do know that earlier this year when it came to appointing an Interim Pastor in my mother's congregation, each of pastors suggested by the Synod for the congregation's consideration is gay and partnered -- although one of them (who supplied, but was not chosen as interim) wasn't identified as such until he was ordained last month.
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Throwing Gausewitz Under the Bus:
UOJ Reveals Its Ugly Fruit
When WELS taught the Gospel, justification by faith, through the Gausewitz catechism, the fruit of the Spirit was evident.
Outsiders find this as bizarre as I do - the UOJ fanatics are nasty, devious, and dishonest. Their coven is located at LutherQueasy, where they have often bragged about how obnoxious they are.
They have no sense of humor. When I called them SpenerQuest, I was rebuked and told the name of the discussion board was "Lutherquest."
When I proved how deceptive they were, the participants covered up the evidence with tons of posts.
When some friends of mine produced a blizzard of posts opposing their methods, they had the vapors and installed a check-in system.
UOJ wants to be full of grace and the Gospel, so they say everyone is born already justified. The essence of UOJ is universal absolution, however it may be expressed. They declare every single person forgiven of sin, without and before the Gospel Word, without the Means of Grace, and (most of all) without faith.
The UOJ Stormtroopers mock justification by faith by calling traditional Lutherans "faithians." They declare, with great pomp and ignorance, "Your faith is in faith, not in the Gospel." Or, "You regard faith as a work, as a virtue in man, as merit." These Stormtroopers have more straw men than a collection of Oz books.
UOJ has been the dogma behind Church Growth in WELS, Missouri, and the Little Sect on the Prairie. The misbegotten CLC (sic) loves UOJ and CG too.
WELS and Missouri work so well with ELCA because they share the same dogma. ELCA calls it all grace. The Syn Conference calls it God's universal verdict of forgiveness. Neither side bothers with Biblical exegesis, which contradicts their propaganda.
But - do not get in the way of their all grace or universal verdict of forgiveness. They will make you feel like Gausewitz, as you feel the bus tires run over your face.
So much Gospel in the Big Four (I am flattering the Little Sect) should yield fantastic results over time. The Big Four combined UOJ with the Church Growth Movement, which should be like Miracle Gro.
Even with excessive pump priming from Thrivent, the foundations, and rich adulterers, the Big Four are broke, shrinking, and polarized. Their clergy are largely ignorant of the Scriptures and the Confessions.
The pastors do not visit their own members! They visit the gym instead.
UOJ is not the Pearl of Great Price. UOJ is not the Gospel. Knapp's message is the anti-Gospel, the heart of mainline Protestant apostasy, the lazy man's Gospel, as Medium Rare wrote.
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One Eponymous Archon Apologizes for WELS and Missouri
One Eponymous Archon (https://me.yahoo.com/oneeponymousarchon) has left a new comment on your post "Comments from 29a, Who Is So Secretive That He Doe...":
Dear Dr. Jackson, and in this case your dear wife also -
On behalf of all WELS members, and LCMS members, I wish to apologize for the totally unwarranted, mean-spirited, and loathsome attack upon you, using the nasty tactic of your children, now assuredly in heaven, by grace, through faith. This was lower than low. Rev. McCain should hang his head in complete shame.
I am no longer a member of either church body, though I was for many years, first in Missouri, then in Wisconsin. Here in CA, there are very few true Lutherans left. Still, I feel humiliated by McCain's feeble attempt to discredit you. What has American Lutheranism come to that such a man holds a position of responsibility? Truly sad and disgusting. But then again, I'm only -
One Eponymous Archon
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GJ - That is very kind of you, OEA.
I feature McCain's eructations because synod officials treat everyone that way, if they feel the urge. They get away with it because they do it on the sly and hide their tracks. One LCMS District Pope screamed at one of his pastors for fighting against a known child molester going back into the ministry. The DP slammed his briefcase on the pastor's desk to make his point. On the way out of the pastor's office, he stopped a member of the congregation and said, "Your pastor is one of the finest men we have."
How is that for crazy-making behavior, for unethical and anti-Christian thuggery?
I could repeat many stories like that, pastors who have phoned me for hours trying to get past the way they have been treated. And the wives and children? No one wants to repeat things out in the open, because it opens old wounds.
I am happy that I can work independently and provide a safe forum where people can express themselves.
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Why Did They Kick This Charmer Off the ALPB Discussion Forum?
Paul T. McCain (Ptmccain) Member Username: Ptmccain Post Number: 104 Registered: 4-2009 |
Unfortunately, Tim, Jackson is entirely responsible for any scrutiny or comments his actions merit. I do not believe him, for a second, that the name Bethany was not chosen quite purposefully for his fake church. Further, the fact that he is so agitated about any criticism, just goes to show how insecure he is and how desperately he wants attention. Like I've said before, Jackson had never had a good, solid Lutheran theological education and hence he has no solid grounding in the doctrine he claims to defend. He is a great example of how a person can hold to the inerrancy of the Bible but get its central message wrong. I'm amused that he has nothing but lies to fall back on. I vividly recall the day he called my office in St. Louis and sounded quite desperate to meet with me, not telling me what it was about. He showed up and I was expecting him to ask me about getting some help theologically. This was just about twenty years ago, mind you. I think he had been booted out of the WELS, or maybe it was before he went to the WELS, but at any rate, what did he show to up to talk about? Life insurance. He wanted to peddle Northwestern Life Insurance to me. Sad and pathetic. |
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GJ - Paul T. McCain is a needy nerd. Anyone who wastes his time posting on LutherQueasy is saying, "I'm a loser, but at least not as bad as my fellow losers."
I began using the ALPB Discussion Forum for the latest Lutheran news. As readers can tell, that is my source for the exits from ELCA and a few other items. I was struck by the thousands of posts from Paul T. McCain (Pope Paul the Unlearned). He seemed to have many posts on each thread.
Secondly, I was impressed by how often he picked fights with people, demanding answers to suit his contentious mood. The ALPB forum is quite polite overall. A few get touchy here and there. McCain was a stand-out performer, a drama queen. Everyone got tired of his rude and puerile behavior, so they gave him a time-out.
There is even a thread for reducing his time-out penalty. That went on for a long time.
He disappeared, then re-appeared as Amsdorf.
Finally he was kicked out for good, from what I can see. His hoof-prints all over the ALPB Forum, so anyone can check it out as a lurker. Here is the link. You can even search on his name and on Amsdorf.
The McCain-Barry-Otten administration prepared the way for Kieschnick, who really drove the stake into Missouri. However, good ol' Jerry would not have been elected without the 9 years of preparation wrought by McCain and Barry. They followed the familiar pattern of using people and throwing them away, demanding loyalty from the conservatives they abused while kissing up to the Left.
I realize most people would not read LQ unless I mentioned it. As LI said, "When does LQ ever come up among Lutherans? Does anyone care?"
But their tantrums are good for readership here, so I am obliged to return the favor. I reckon that people benefit from coming over to read about UOJ, pancake legalism, and Blank verse.
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