Tuesday, June 16, 2015

Repudication of Webbers OJ Essay at Emmaus - Fractured History and Double-Talk on Double Justification


Repudiation of the Jay Webber OJ Essay

B. Justification in the Narrow Sense and in a Broader Sense
Another thing to take note of in the theology of this period, is that the term “justification”
was almost always interpreted and used in a very strict and narrow sense, as referring to the personal application of the righteousness of Christ to an individual through the means of grace; and to the appropriation and reception of that righteousness by an individual through faith. We generally do not see the term “justification” being employed according to a broader sense…p 36 GJ – more like – never.

This statement minces around the basic fact – justification always means justification by faith, in the Bible, during the Reformation, and in the post-Reformation era. The Huber amalgamation of his Calvinistic past meant that the substance of Objective Justification was introduced, but P. Leyser, Hunnius, and others quashed it and ejected Huber.

The error of Objective Justification was first the Easter absolution (based on 1 Timothy 3:16 being rationalized), but the first use of the terms Objective Justification and Subjective Justification came from the late era of Pietism. The first use in a well known book is the Calvinist Woods’ translation of Knapp – the Halle Pietist.

So the false teachers have reversed the meaning of the term justification, so they assume or pretend that the Chief Article of the Christian Faith, the Master and Prince, the article on which the Church stands or falls – is justification without faith!

And yet Webber, who has quarreled about words for several decades, warns pastors not to quarrel about words, p 38. The UOJ Enthusiasts have bent over backwards to force their philosophy on everyone, to excommunicate those who disagree, and to normalize this blatant rejection of the Christian Faith.

Webber even uses the obscure Quistorp to prop up his OJ, even though no Lutheran body, congregation, or cell group has subscribed to the writings of Qustorp – or heard of him. Suddenly Little in Canada and Quistorp in Rostock supplant and improve upon Luther, Melanchthon, Chemnitz, and Gerhard.

C. Luther and the Missouri Synod, p. 38

Also during the discussion of the theses, someone asked this question:

The tenet has always been declared and confessed by us that through Christ’s resurrection from the dead God has absolved the whole world, that is, pardoned its sins. If, according to this, the whole world has already been absolved and its sin pardoned long ago, what exactly is absolution or the preaching of the Gospel in the church? Is it also a pardon, or merely an announcement of the pardon which has already occurred?

Brohm replied, in effect, that the good news of our absolution does not do us any good if we do not hear it. And God has ordained that the Gospel be proclaimed, so that we can hear it. But when we do hear this message, we are not merely being informed about something from long ago and far away. p 39

Missouri took over the Easter absolution language of Pietism from Walther, who learned it from Martin Stephan, a student but not a graduate of Halle University.

Pietism filtered the lessons of the Reformation so celebrity leaders like Spener and Franke displaced Luther, Melanchthon, and Chemnitz. Cooperation was judged more important than sound doctrine, and the Sacraments could be defined by non-Lutherans to make that cooperation happen.

We can see that Pietistic effect in the former Lutheran Church in America, where the Formula of Concord era was ignored completely in favor of the unionism and compromises of Pietism. The General Synod had revivals, mourners’ benches, and a very low view of the liturgy and creeds. An era of confessionalism sparked by the General Council helped, but Pietism and rationalism re-emerged after the 1918 merger of all the Muhlenberg groups into the United Lutheran Church in America.

This alone destroys Webber's essay,
so he ignored the entire book.


D. The Norwegian Synod and the Pietists p. 41

The heading is confusing, because all Lutheran groups in America were Pietistic. The Swedish Augustana Synod was profoundly influenced by the generosity and doctrinal integrity of William Passavant, a giant of American Lutheranism – strangely not mentioned at all. Passavant brokered the creation of the Chicago Seminary (often called Maywood, ULCA), but the seminary professors had to sign their allegiance to the Confessions to teach. Passavant insisted on that because he came out of and grew out of revivalism. He rejected Pietism for loyalty to the Confessions and influenced Augustana in that direction.

Augustana did not accept the Stephan-Walther formula of the Easter absolution of the world – without faith. For the blindly loyal Missouri member, the Norwegian acceptance of Easter absolution was wonderful. But the same basic dogma was being read in the English version of Knapp textbook used in all Protestant schools.

Now we begin to smell the roast. The Norwegian Synod is “orthodox” and the Swedes are “Pietists.”

The Norwegian Synod pastors gently warned their Augustana Synod friends that “If the Gospel and Absolution contained nothing more than what man by faith put into them, then man really had to depend on his faith – he had to have faith in his own faith – and not in the Gospel.”56 p. 42

This shows that the Norwegians had no more grasp of justification than Webber, so he approves, but what a damaging approval. Walther stated clearly that he was teaching faith in universal forgiveness, which is only one step away from Universalism.

Webber:
The contours of this debate between these two synods – one consciously rooted in
Reformational thinking, and the other influenced by Pietism more then they probably realized – are essentially the same contours that manifested themselves in succeeding years, when the synods that would or did make up the membership of the Synodical Conference continued to defend their Confessional teaching about the objectivity of the gospel, and the objectivity of the forgiveness of sins within the gospel, against various attacks and misrepresentations from other Lutheran groups in America. P. 42

Webber admitted before that the Reformation taught justification by faith, the “narrow” view. The straight and narrow version is far better than the broad and popular version of the World Council of Churches. Therefore, his clumsy narration betrays the Pietism of the Norwegians and hides the correct position of the Swedes by vilifying it.

Webber omits the fact that this conflict produced the fourth Kokomo Statement, which WELS made mandatory for membership, kicking out the families who disagreed.

Rolf Preus recorded the martyrdom of Herman Amberg Preus, another reason for the Preus brothers Jack and Robert, and Robert’s sons, to remain loyal to absolution without faith. The Anti-Missouri Brotherhood’s agitation led to the removal of Preus from his congregation.

The last parts are equally pathetic, a transparent attempt to rewrite doctrinal history while ignoring the Biblical truths rescued from the papacy.

The UOJ clowns have created their own interlocking papacy. Like the Marian salesmen, they say, “The Church has always taught this,” but it is absolution without faith – except faith in that universal absolution – instead of the Assumption and Immaculate Conception of Mary.

As their hero Edward Preuss said upon leaving his St. Louis seminary professorship for Rome, “Give me the documents and I can prove anything.”

That is especially true of someone with little training, no serious publications, and no spiritual discernment.


 
Don't listen to him,
he read Luther's Galatians Commentary.



Tim Glende Does Not Make Enough Money



Holly Glende, Appleton, Wisconsin
The rule is, after age 30, turn the cap around.
Isn't that amazing that Tim and Holly could buy a home in Appleton
after wrecking his first call in Illinois, which closed after selling off the
new building he insisted on having - far away from the university campus?
So blessed - so Change or Die!

Ironic Laughs Abound for Jeske's Change and Die! Conference, 2015

These six ECLA (sic) pastors have no problem 
with homosexual ordination and homosexual marriage.
Change or Die! you troglodytes who dare oppose such trendy innovations.



Half the pastors at this giant ELCA congregation are women, and one of them will teach y'all to Change or Die! OK, Erin is a deaconal minister, listed as a pastor.

They hide their denominational identity so well that they forgot how to spell it - ECLA?  They have six pastors who cannot proof-read their own website? They should join WELS. No one will notice.

Double dipper - Planning Giving Counselor and ELCA.
Change to variable annuities or DIE!


Thews and Pfotenhauer are LCMS pastors. Jeske had Parlow (WELS) from the Appleton area previously, and this time Witte, the WELS veteran from Appleton and now at the Asian mini-seminary. Kelm taught before too, and he was in Appleton for a moment or two. Parlow and Kelm have DMins in Church Growth and have lived the dream - ramming CG down everyone's throats for the last few decades.

Jeske, Parlow, and Witte are all leaders and founders of Church and Change, which WELS funded so you could pay for false doctrine through your offerings. Why do you have the New NIV required at NPH and for the new hymnal? - these blokes.

The WELS vineyard is nothing but grapes now, so these unionistic false teachers will show all the denominations how to do the same?

Jeske admitted last year he is not even a pastor. That is success in the apostate mainlines now - get out of the parish. The real work of the Lord takes place at headquarters, and in parachurch groups, and through hosting conferences.

I resigned from Shepherd of Peace in 1992, The next two pastors were die-hard Church Growthers. The current one is Steve Witte's sun-in-law. If Witte can teach the Asians his magic, why not show his daughter's husband how to have explosive growth in Columbus? Instead, Shepherd of Peace is now re-financing its debt to borrow money to last another year. Their Christian Academy, billed as a school but just a diaper changing service, stopping at Kindergarten, has bled the congregation dry. That is the WELS plan - save the denomination with Christian Academies, where favored ones earn money giving subsidized daycare to people who never go to church.

Thrivent voted to give Lutheran money to everyone
and expand its marketing base at the same time.
They have been giving to Planned Parenthood, secular causes,
and toxic groups for years.

Yes, Thrivent executive, now retired.

This Timothy Schwan?

Thrivent members vote to extend fraternal eligibility

Thrivent Financial for Lutherans announced June 7 that its membership approved an extension of its “common bond,” which will allow the 111-year-old fraternal benefit society to serve Christians beyond the Lutheran communities. Seventy-two percent of Thrivent members who cast their votes during the March 1-April 30 timeframe voted in favor of revising the organization’s articles of incorporation.
Timothy Schwan
Strategic discussions about such a change had taken place for a number of years, even before the merger of Lutheran Brotherhood and Aid Association for Lutherans in 2002, according to Timothy Schwan, vice president of church and community engagement for Thrivent Financial for Lutherans. More serious discussions began over a year ago.
In May 2012, the Thrivent board unanimously voted in favor of amending the Articles of Incorporation to extend the common bond and to submit the proposed amendment to a benefit member vote for approval.
Nearly 425,000 members participated in this historic vote. “The number we feel best about is that 21 percent of our members voted,” explained Schwan to Metro Lutheran. Twice the number of a normal member vote, this support demonstrates the members’ investment, offered Schwan.

Mark and Avoid Jeske's Latest Extravaganza - Paid with Other People's Money.
Real Name, From Their Father Below - Change and Die!















That's PASTOR Erin Morris at this congregation with three women pastors on the staff - a new denomination? -
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ABOUT ST. ANDREW'S

WELCOME TO ST. ANDREW'S LUTHERAN CHURCH

ECLA (sic) CHURCH SERVING ST. PAUL, MN

They have more pastors than a dog has fleas but they cannot spell ELCA right. And Boy did I look for the denomination.


Change or Die 2015

Thursday, October 8, 2015

11:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (approximate)


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This year, the Conference focus is on Money, Millennials & Ministry Leadership.  Our speakers are:
Brenda Moore, CFRE, Brenda Moore & Associates, LLC, Carver, MN
Rev. Tom Pfotenhauer, Woodbury Lutheran Church, Woodbury, MN
Erin Morris, Diaconal Minister of Faith Engagement, St. Andrew’s Lutheran Church, Mahtomedi, MN
Tim Schwan, soblessed, llc, Appleton, WI 
Rev. Daniel Thews, Faith Lutheran Church, Appleton, WI
Rev. Steve Witte, President, Asian Lutheran Seminary, Hong Kong
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The Sun Will Appear in Five Days, Perhaps


Our latest rain has accumulated two inches in my wheelbarrow. Lake Gideon and my rain-barrels are full again. Because the rain-barrels catch water directly from the roof, I can fill a large barrel from two inches of rain.

The irony of full rain-barrels is clear. When I have a large supply, I do not have a need for it. That is also how people let go of the Word, sound doctrine, and the Confessions. When there is an abundance, they take it for granted.

The scientists of the world had no problem confessing their trust in Creation as they observed various aspects of God's world. The quotations are more difficult to find now, and science will not tolerate a mention of Creation, a fellow scientist who shares the same perspective as the ones honored in name but not in faith.

The slugs are singing "Happy Days Are Here Again" and their memories of the tragic beer party are fading. However the rain has leveraged the growth of young plants and maturing flowers. Slugs attack the vulnerable. They rasp the tender leaves away when the plants are young  and close to the ground. When the plant hardens up, slugs have to make do with the rotting vegetation on or in the ground.

Earthworms are water and muscle, so they are increasing in numbers under the mulch. And their fame is growing:

  • The Gardeners want earthworms for composting and their plants.
  • The landscaper has converted all his rose beds to Jackson Mulch and is anxious to have red wiggler earthworms placed on each one. His grandson took several home for his daughter's compost.
  • Our helper wants earthworms for fishing and his plants.
  • Norma Boeckler has installed Jackson Mulch in her flower beds.



Webber Is Silent on Dr. Robert Barnes, Confessor and Martyr. Doug Lindee Is Not

If Jay Webber studied under Dr. Robert Preus and quotes him extensively
in his laughable Emmaus essay,
should he not address Justification and Rome's repudiation of UOJ?
Preus loved the precision of Quenstedt's writing, where
UOJ lies bleeding on the floor.


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Frasius said...
Mr Lindee,

Justification through faith only must be defended. An excellent writing is A Summary Exposition of The Doctrine of Justification By Grace Through Faith By: Walter A. Maier, found at www.wlsessays.net/files/MaierJustification.pdf. I agree with the position of dr Maier.
There are two well known false doctrines here that must be revealed and banned: Universalism and synergism. In WELS there are elements of universalism, known also here in Europe: The Kokomo case and the teachings of dr Siegbert W Becker for example. And it is horrific to deposit pr Rydecki for his fine Easter sermon!
But it is not necessarily so that every defender of UJ is a universalist. Dr Francis Pieper was not. I don't agree with dr Pieper on UJ, but I think this is an exegetical question, a question about which verse in the Bible that supports which point of doctrine. I have no dogmatical objection to Pieper concerning this issue.
You write "Regarding the false doctrine of Universal Justification" above. That is to be in the other ditch.

Rev. Jakob Fjellander
Concordia Lutheran Church, Sweden
www.luk.se/InEnglish.htm
Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
I don't understand what you mean. On the roads I travel for business, the ditch is in the median, not on the sides of the road. I'm climbing out of that ditch, not diving into one. "Universal Justification" and "Justification by Faith Alone" (JBFA) are mutually exclusive. One takes me where I want to go, the other takes me in the opposite direction. One or the other is true. Not both.

Universal Justification is not taught in the Scriptures. Anywhere. Universal Justification is not confessed in the Book of Concord. Anywhere. If it is, please adduce the texts where it is clearly and directly taught. If it is not clearly and directly taught, then it is not taught in any way that can be recognized as Scripture doctrine – at least not according to the classic hermeneutical standards of Lutheranism which requires a multiplicity of direct positive attestation.

To say that the whole world of sinners is Justified (that is to say, actually forgiven and accounted righteous) BEFORE GOD apart from faith is to both confess Universal Justification and to deny Justification by Faith Alone, for such is a true and efficacious Justification by something other than Faith that is shared by all mankind. The only thing that prevents Universal Justification from deserving the appellation "Universalism" has nothing whatsoever to do with the positive confession of this doctrine, but is found in the negativa of those who confess it, to wit, "We reject Universalism." Not even Huber was accused of Universalism by the Wittenberg Faculty: he rejected Universalism, and he also confessed that no one is saved apart from faith (note that the Rev. Jon Buchholz [WELS] will not admit this much, as he has written and is known to confess that ALL of mankind, including every individual, is saved, whether he has faith or not. Yes, WELS has taught "Universal Salvation" since the Wauwatosa days – read John Schaller's Christology if you don't believe me). Apart from their negativa (i.e. "Regardless of the foregoing, it is not our desire to actually confess a doctrine of 'Universalism'") and from their positively confessed conflicting doctrine (i.e. "ALL are Justified, but only some are Saved," or worse, "ALL are Justified and ALL are Saved, however, only some of those who are "Saved" spend eternity with Christ, while the rest spend eternity in Hell with the devil and all his angels, where their worm shall never die, and even though they are Justified BEFORE GOD and "Saved," it is entirely their own fault that they are in Hell because they didn't satisfy the additional requirement of having been freely given faith by God"), there is very little to distinguish Universal Justification from Universalism. Nevertheless, most of those confessing JBFA will respect the negativa that issues from those who confess Universal Justification and its corollaries, and will thus refrain from referring to them as Universalists. Those who confess Universal Justification, however, hold so such respect for those who, along with the Lutheran confessors and concordists, would rather confess the Scripturally defensible doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone.

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Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
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The false teaching of Universal Justification is such a weak assertion – a delicate ribbon spun from fragments of Scripture stripped of their context and woven together on the loom of rationalism – that it cannot endure any tension without breaking. Brooking no challenge, its adherents therefore rush into a phalangeal chorus of shrill worn-out clichés and sing them at the top of their lungs. Misunderstood, misapplied, it doesn't matter – the louder the better and the more the merrier; they are merely the happy sing-song of prideful, self-secure, over-confident, willfully-ignorant back-slapping chums who have neither the constitution nor even the basic desire to seriously consider what may be fundamental problems with their Confession. They have each other, what need have they for Truth, or worse, Correction? Just like there are only two religions, in their world there are only two groups of people: Themselves and Everybody Else.

But no one wants to be their enemy – certainly not those Lutherans who confess JBFA, who have finally made their confession out of love and concern for the Truth and for their Christian Brethren, in order to open discussion on a vitally important matter, only to be ostracized, labeled enemies of the Gospel, and excommunicated without ever being heard. The confessors of Universal Justification, and its corollaries, however, prefer it that way. They single out the confessors of JBFA and subject them to sophomoric ridicule. They, pridefully think that they have heard everything and know everything, refuse to take seriously the challenges issued by studied proponents of JBFA, and respond in ways that clearly attest to the fact that they have interpreted everything offered by today's Lutheran proponents of JBFA according to the clichés emerging from the Election Debates of of the 19th Century. They, blindly insist on labeling proponents of JBFA as "Synergists," despite our repeatedly offered negativa (i.e. "We reject Synergism!" – which was demonstrably NOT the case in the 19th Century...) and despite our positive confession regarding Justification (i.e. "'Justification by Faith Alone' is entirely 'objective', it is accomplished fully outside of man, without any merit or participation of our own in any sense" – which, again, was demonstrably NOT the case in the 19th Century...), and dismiss out of hand, without giving any evidence of thoughtful consideration, everything we assert.

They, not us, prefer to threaten and excommunicate rather than discuss and study. That is because We stand on the direct positive attestation of Holy Writ and the Lutheran Confessions. They do not. While We would prefer mutual collegial study – unafraid of a result that may either correct us, or correct innovations of the Synodical Conference – They will not suffer any legitimate study that may bring into question the doctrinal stances of celebrated heros of the old Synodical Conference who, over thirty years of unrelenting and publicly issued personal invective and inconclusive doctrinal polemic, succeeded only in wiping out an entire Lutheran Synod (the "Norwegian Synod").

Of course, I don't put you in the category of "They" or "We" – you have the courage (or is it naïveté?) to discuss the issue publicly, after all – and I'm not really responding here to you personally at all. I'm responding generally to the points you raise, and referring to anyone who may fit these descriptions. Many don't. Many don't know what to think.

But you don't have to convince us to listen and discuss. That's where we started, and where we would prefer to be. Try convincing them. Just mention it, why don't you. See how long it takes before you too are labeled a heretic, just for raising the question.


Truth on the scaffold,
Wrong forever on the throne:
WELS.
Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
Read more at http://izquotes.com/quote/248283

Unholy Lizard Hands on the Bible - Comments about the New NIV,
Mandatory at WELS Northworst Publishing House



http://www.intrepidlutherans.com/2015/05/wels-makes-it-official-all-wels.html#comment-form



Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
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If interested, one source of Burgen's collected works that I can highly recommend is Volume One of the series, Unholy Hands on the Bible, which contains the following works of Burgon:

The Traditional Text of the New Testament
The Causes of Corruption of the Holy Gospels
The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel of Mark
The Revision Revised
GOD Manifested in the Flesh
The Woman Taken in Adultery
The Secret Spanking of Westcott and Hort
Conflation and the "Neutral" Text

A comparison of Burgon to the likes of Metzger and Robertson (advocates of higher-criticism) can be instructive. For my part, although I am not nearly as widely read on the issue of textual criticism as others are, I have yet to hear or read any argument for retaining the higher-critical method, whether from Robertson, Metzger or anyone else, that is as powerful as Burgon's arguments for not doing so to begin with. I am deeply suspicious of modern writers who casually dismiss the danger of higher critical theories and their modern descendents, especially given that it has been rejected in practically every field except Biblical studies (literary and historical sciences, for example, generally reject it after empirical evidence has shown that it is unreliable). But my advice is for people to read the material firsthand, rather than accept reports about it from me or anyone else, and come to your own conclusions.

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Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
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What does this have to do with the NKJV? Well, the NKJV is the ONLY modern version of the Bible published today that does NOT use the higher-critical "Critical Text." All other translations that I am aware of use the Greek found in the "Critical Text" as their basis. Instead, NKJV uses the "Majority Text," which does not give unnatural weight to those hokey Egyption copies. The Majority Text represents a different way of collating the thousands of Greek copies we have now -- essentially following the methods of traditional textual criticism by eliminating "families" and giving equal weight to all of the witnesses -- as an alternative to the Critical Text. They both use the same collection of cpoies, it's just that the bloated influence given to the Egyptian copies in the method of the Critical Text is totally eliminated in the Majority Text. Given equal weighting to all texts individuall, given the vast numbers of Byzantine copies compared to those from Egyption sources, and given the remarkable agreement of the Byzantine witnesses, the result is that the influence of the Egyption copies is dwarfed, and thus the Majority Text essentially reflects the contents of the Byzantine sources -- just like the "Textus Receptus" first collected by Erasmus (though his text was produced from only a handful of Byzantine Texts).

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Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
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All of this may soon be a moot point, however, as the next edition of the Nestle-Aland "Critical Text" (28th Edition) will follow an altogether different method than one can learn from Metzger, Robertson, Aland or Burgon. It follows a relatively newly devised "Geneological-Coherence Method" -- something which I personally am only just becoming acquainted with. This new Method totally eliminates the idea of "text families," and of using them as a basis for assigning authority to certain readings, and instead compares every known variant according to a variety of criteria, in order to determine their relationship and ultimately find what would statistically be the "initial copy". And this is the critical aspect of this new Method. Beginning with the 28th Edition of the Nestle-Aland Critical Text, we will no long have, even in the original languages, anything that could be called "The Original" text, or even a representation of it. This new method is limited to producing what they call an "Initial Text" -- which may be representative of a text existing in the Third of Fourth Centuries. A second critical aspect of this new Method is the reality of continuous updates to the Greek text. It is never fixed, nor can it be regarded as even theoretically fixed, but as continuously moving and shifting, dependent on the discovery of new texts, or other historical or linguistic facts that may impact the criteria used to analyze the body of collected texts. Bible versions descending from this Method will likewise be subject to continuous updating -- and we've already been warned by the CBT (the NIV Committee on Bible Translation) of more frequent updates to the NIV (which reveals how monumentally stupid it is to standardize a hymnal project on the NIV family of translations, assuming the hymnal is going to be around for more than a few years...).

Due to the immense amount of data, computers will perform the analysis on the texts, while the whole project awaits the massive manpower necessary to enter the data. This eliminates the role of the individual pastor in selecting an authoritative reading during his study -- the computer says what it is, and there is no arguing with the computer... But it will take some time to complete -- around the year 2030, is what I recall. But already this new method has resulted in some fairly startling changes to the underlying Greek text, and it is expected to impact many of the references used as proof texts in our catechism, not only for Baptism (Mark 16), but also Headship, Church and Ministry, and others. No one really knows what the specific results will be, nor how broad their impact will be, which explains both the ambivalence of the TEC toward any specific translation, along with the rapidly changing practices of the WELS with respect to womens roles.

If you want to know more, here is a provocative paper written by a Concordia Seminary Professor on the subject:Text and Authority: Theological and Hermeneutical Reflections on a Plastic Text. To be fair, I think that the author later said his paper was intended for consumption by a select group of his peers, not by the general public, and that he would have written it differently had he known that it would see broader distribution. It's been passed around. Alot. Some of his points and positions were written to deliberately "stir discussion" among his peers (who are all academics) -- but that makes them all the more worthy of discussion.

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Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
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In the best construction, your WELS pastors aren't saying anything at all, because they are ignorant. If this is not the case, then there must be something far more sinister going on. If they are not merely ignorant and disinterested, then they are deliberately not telling the truth by choosing to say nothing at all. Perhaps they think they are protecting you. Perhaps there is some other benefit to hiding the truth. The reality is, very serious changes are afoot in Christianity -- especially when it can be said of these changes, "Who knows what the Bible is going to say in fifteen years? We'll just have to wait and see."

Maybe this was more than you wanted to know... I for one will stick with what I've learned, and pray that someone much more intelligent and capable than I am is both equipped and willing to fight this war. Whoever it is, he is likely to have very few allies.

Mr. Douglas Lindee said...
So work to stop it now - boycott any product that uses the NIV2011 - lead.

Yes, the vacuum of leadership on this issue is simply mind boggling. When we first came to WELS in 1999, one of our immediate annoyances was their use of the NIV. We had already rejected it based on a number of factors, including its use of the "Critical Text" instead of the "Majority Text" as the source of the NT translation, the use of the Greek "Septuagint" instead of the Hebrew "Masoretic Text" as the source of the OT translation, in addition to the post-Modern ideology of "Dynamic Equivalence" as a basis for the entire translation. Even without these considerations, on their face, there are simply many more and better reasons to use translations from the King James family, including far better and more precise English and continuity with the Church usage over the centuries.

When we questioned him on WELS "rejection of the Historical Critical Method" while at the same time embracing the Critical Text (which comes from the same methodology), our pastor immediately quipped "Oh! King James Only types, eh?" and dismissed all of our concerns with the list of clichés he'd been fed at seminary and throughout his ~30-year career -- all of which we had heard before, as they are repeated ad nauseum all over the internet, and are taken up in various places with thoughtful responses of theologians and exegetes who share these concerns. When we pressed him further on certain points, he said that we'd have to take it up with the professors at the seminary, "They can answer your questions, they know what they are doing." When they don't know, their fallback is the seminary -- that's where everything they do know came from anyway.

The only leadership that will emerge on this issue, is the leadership that has already been appointed -- the TEC, for one, and other liberalizing voices from the seminary and colleges that support this new direction. I'd be surprised --pleasantly surprised -- if it happened any differently.

My Opinion.
Anonymous said...
Since the original topic of this post was the new hymnal, I think it is noteworthy to recognize what happened with the transition from The Lutheran Hymnal to Christian Worship in one particular instance. In some churches, fewer and fewer as time goes on, it is still a practice to confess the Athanasian Creed on Trinity Sunday. The Athanasian Creed, as printed in Christian Worship, begins by saying:

"Whoever wishes to be saved must, above all else, hold to the true Christian faith."

The Lutheran Hymnal, with a more historical text, uses the word "will" in place of "wishes". It says:

"Whoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic [i.e. universal, Christian] faith."

Now maybe this is a small thing, but for me, the word "wishes" implies that somehow man plays a role, while the word "will" implies to me that our salvation comes from outside of us.

I was particularly sensitive to this wording, because some of the objective justification persuasion will be heard saying:

"Everyone has been saved."

In my opinion, the word "saved" in the Athanasian Creed is harmonious with it's use in Scripture. The use of the word "saved" by some who define objective justification seems to be harmonious with neither.

What does that have to do with the new hymnal? Simply this. Considering how the words of the Athanasian Creed were changed from The Lutheran Hymnal to Christian Worship, what can we expect to see in the Athanasian Creed in the new hymnal, if it still is found in the newest version? With the 2011 NIV now bringing the concept of gender neutrality directly into worship, what's to keep new versions of the Confessions consistent with the truths they originally confessed?

Vernon
Dr. Joseph Jewell said...
Mr. Lindee,

That series of comments/posts was both scholarly and thoroughly educational (the two do not always overlap). Thank you for the work you put into helping all of us stay abreast of these issues.

"Maybe this was more than you wanted to know..."

No, I don't think so at all. It may even be worth its own post.