Breaking News - The Apostle Paul Was an OJ-Denier.

 

Erich Heidenreich (Erich) Senior Member Username: Erich Post Number: 1835 Registered: 12-2004

Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 - 3:59 pm:       Rolf, I am not at all surprised by this libtard-style censorship. There seems to be a constant war against truly Confessional Lutherans in the LCMS, and not only on FB. In the FB group "Confessional Lutheran Fellowship (for Confessional Lutherans only)" there will be no such censorship. That group is only for those who at least believe they hold a quia subscription to the BoC. Even comments by those in obvious error, such as OJ-deniers, are not censored but rather are shot down by the word of God in hope that they and others might be won over by the truth. Erich Heidenreich

GJ - The Facebook page being promoted by Heidenreich is enormous in numbers, prone to selling various products, and Objective-Justification pure. 

KJV Romans 4 -

20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Romans 5 -

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

LutherQueasies - Letting Everyone Have a Laugh about "Lutheran Identity" But Without Justification by Faith in Jesus Christ.Or Robert Preus' Justification and Rome

 

A Definition from a Book of Concord Illiterate, Posted on an Inept Discussion Blog. They Have Yet To Find Luther on Their Confused Quest, But They Have Pleased Their Father Below.

The Chief Article in the entire Christian doctrine is Justification by Faith, as taught by Luther, Melanchthon, and Martin Chemnitz. Both Martins earned their doctorates and Melanchthon deserved one, but he was judged too young looking.  Walther earned a bachelor's degree only but demanded that everyone obey his Pietistic notions and insights from Martin Stephan, STD.

Calling those who agree with "the entire Christian doctrine" are called "deniers" by Joe Krohn. That means the Apostle Paul was a "denier."

Note that the ludicrous faith-denying F. Pieper gang cut out Romans 4:24 in the sanctified Brief Statement 1932 - so they could chant, as Rolf Preus always did - "raised again for our justification, raised again for our justification." Apparently he used Wite-Out in his studies. 

This works wonders for Romans 4:24. Ask Rolf!

KJV Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

KJV Romans 5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Now we know the LQ story, in just a few words.

"The problem with the deniers is their view of hoi polloi. Try to pin them down and you get obfuscation and diversion. The Greek is quite plain in the objective sense. I would expect to see something along the lines of "oligoi" if OJ were not true. Christ stood in mankind's place and justice was served against sin, death and the devil in God's court." 

Joe Krohn, senior member of the LutherQueasies, Bible illiterate

The cover of Matt Harrison's ghosted campaign book needed some editing, so I helped to make it a bit more honest. Stephan, a Pietist, gave his STD to young women, which Walther worked into a riot to depose the bishop and steal his land, money, books, and personal items. Forcing Stephan across the river was a felony, kidnapping, and so were the thefts. Walther's circle was comprised of Pietists who followed Stephan and kept the secrets.

Never Read Luther, Quest Continues Its Endless Pursuit of Dogmatic Error

 

Check Romans 4, which uses Abraham's Justification by Faith as an example, showing his Justification by Faith was not his alone but all those who believed in Him who raised Jesus from the dead. Then the comatose, poorly trained Missouri mules use 4:25 to claim the entire world, yea even the Inuits, were absolved of all sin the moment Jesus rose from the dead.

Steve Ames (Sames) Senior Member Username: Sames Post Number: 1819 Registered: 11-2004

Posted on Friday, September 03, 2021 - 9:00 am:       Dick Rockenbach: “it seems to me the LCMS was in merger mode with both the WELS and ALC and when the ALC began to ordain Women WELS immediately withdrew merger efforts with the LCMS.” Mr. Rockenbach, it is hurtful and offensive to suggest that the WELS would ever have considered merger with the ALC or tolerated the LCMS merging with the ALC. The short-hand explanation that the WELS broke church fellowship with the LCMS over fellowship leaves out the more troubling aspect of the LCMS practice of fellowship. That is for the LCMS what constitutes agreement on doctrine for the establishment of church fellowship. A WELS paper given in 1954 identified the false doctrine of the ALC as: • Rejection of the teaching of Objective Justification • Man cooperates in his conversion • The doctrine of Election as solely God from eternity knowing who would come to faith -- in view of faith • Inerrancy of the Bible as an open question • Rejection of papacy as the Anti-Christ “The Inadequacy of the Common Confession as a Settlement of Past Differences” -- By Ernst H. Wendland -- August 8-10, 1954 http://essays.wisluthsem.org:8080/bitstream/handle /123456789/670/WendlandDifferences.pdf?sequence=1& isAllowed=y

 This Inuit girl (Eskimo) is carrying her husky puppy.

The Latin for "in view of faith" is Intuitu Fidei. Somehow a graduate of the greatest seminary on earth, with its own annual hazing ritual, managed to turn the phrase into Inuitu Fidei, which comes comes to The Faith of the Inuits (Eskimo). Scholars are divided, because the Glende fractured Latin phrase can be understood several ways at once, like his famous lawsuit.

Missouri addressed this in a classic roundabout, befuddled way - "There is no Scripture warrant for it, and though the phrase is capable of correct interpretation, it can be seriously misunderstood."

Missouri promoted this because CFW Walther knew more Latin than Scripture and barely knew the Biblical languages. 

Picking Up LCMS Background Chatter

 Now the 1932 Brief Statement is the bludgeon that judges
and condemns Justification by Faith.
Remember that ship? - Concordia

Our seminarian asked for some background from the quotation I copied. I do not follow pastors in the LCMS enough to keep track of them. I know there is an "ultra-orthodox" group within Missouri, which means they adore Walther. 

Lutherquest.org and alpb.org will provide a lot of opinions on the upcoming SP election in 2019.

I found the current LQ post interesting on New Seminex at Concordia, St. Louis and doubtless Ft. Wayne: denial of the traditional text (Kloha in the lead), Voelz denying the ending of Mark. The St. Louis faculty denies the six-day Creation. 

I was reading Gems today, did not get far at the radiation clinic. But an early quote was that reason cannot comprehend the Trinity. If it could, the Scriptures would be unnecessary. Apply that to Creation. When the faculty sides with the evolution party of science, we can see what they think of the Bible as revelation. 

Now the radiation staff, doctor and nurses, want copies of Gems. Ordered.

Rolf Preus does not think WAM II would have defeated Uncle Jack as SP. No, not after the Preus brothers and Otten destroyed WAM II because he taught Justification by Faith - like his father - Dr. Walter A. Maier, who invented radio ministry, teaching JBF and Biblical inerrancy.

The LutherQueasies (Webber and Rolf Preus, OJists who hate each other - don't they all?) keep yakking about ministry. But the Chief Article condemns their chatter because Justification by Faith judges all articles.

LCMS began its death spiral when the radical Left made Objective Justification canon law, a convention stipulation in 1932 that ushered in evolution, textual abandonment, rationalism, Romanism, Pentecostalism, and Church Growth.

Harrison, McCain, and the LCMS windbags made OJ official with their dogmatics text and their gigantic Small Catechism.

 Otten's political tabloid opened all the doors to apostasy,
fanning the sparks of OJ to a blaze.

Looking for Unity When They All Despise the Chief Article? Another Case of Denial, Finger-Pointing, and Sanctimony

We are one with Liz Eaton, We are one with her bunch
And we pray that old Thrivent will pay for our lunch.
And they'll know we are Luthruns by OJ, by OJ,
And they'll know we are Luthruns by OJ.

Rev. Richard A. Bolland (Bolland) Advanced Member Username: Bolland Post Number: 815 Registered: 8-2001

Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 6:48 pm:       I have tried my best to keep up with Rev. Klawitter's case over time. I will have to say that this orthodox man was truly treated in a very shabby manner by the LCMS. It was a case of going after the "Whistle Blower" in a matter that really needed a whistle blown. He is most correct in his assertion that the Synod was misled by the current LCMS officials (inclusive of President Harrison), that this was a fellowship founded on full doctrinal agreement when, in fact, it was anything but. I can appreciate Rev. Klawitter's frustration at being shoved aside by people he thought should have recognized the correctness of his assertions respecting the LCN. Frankly I can't imagine being stuck overseas in a foreign country, being betrayed by one's own Synod, and stabbed in the back by one's fellow Confessionals with blades of apathy and indifference. BTW I will have to say that when the ACELC sent out its 2010 Letter of Fraternal Admonition we expected that the liberals in the LCMS would be less than welcoming, but we did not anticipate the vicious attacks that were leveled at us by the so-called Confessionals in our Synod. In many ways these attacks contained more vitriol than those coming from the left. [GJ - No Gospel, no Gospel fruits!]Thus I second Rev. Klawitter's assertion that if we do not stand together as Confessional men in the LCMS and support good faith efforts to reform, then there really is no future for us in the Synod. [OJ got you embracing ELCA, Fuller, and Willow Creek.] Finally, I will have to say that this is perhaps the main reason why I have put forward the idea of forming a new orthodox Synod. I have found little support (other than chat on a few websites), to do what actually needs to be done to correct the errors of our Synod. If there is no will to do the hard things necessary, then there is no hope for the LCMS to find the will to reform itself. If faithful, Confessional men will not engage in concerted action within the Synod, then we need a new Synod. As for the failures of ELDONA and the LCR, yes a failure could occur again. But what is actually be said here is that God cannot bless faithful men taking faithful action to retain the one true faith in an institutional context. The assertion that every such effort must end in failure is both illogical and faithless. If the assertion that all efforts to establish an orthodox Synod are doomed, then the LCMS never should have been formed by all of 16 congregations in 1847. “It does no good to say: I will gladly confess Christ and His Word in all articles except one or two which my tyrannical masters will not tolerate…but he who denies Christ in one article or word has in this one article denied the same Christ who would be denied in all articles; (Luther) [GJ - What is the Chief Article? Boland? Boland? Anyone? Anyone?]