Showing posts with label Stolzenburg. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Stolzenburg. Show all posts

Wednesday, August 29, 2018

Pople Francis Should Resign.
Exact Parallels with WELS and LCMS Cover-Ups



Pope Francis was known to be dirty when he was elected in 2013. Stories circulated about how destructive he was in South America, but there is another story about the disappeared people during the reign of the military junta in Argentina.

A high-ranking official has accused Pope Francis of covering up the scandals, chiefly Cardinal McCarrick in this case.

Calls for his resignation have increased. Whatever appears in the press, the truth is far, far worse.

American Spectator - the pope and all other officials supporting the corruption should resign.

Roman Catholics have recognized that the leaders elected Francis because they all participate in the same corruption and protect it as well.

The Curia and others imagine this will go away, but indications suggest just the opposite. Unlike the situation in Lutherdom, powerful leaders have spoken up to say that they know the reporting is factual and verified by many witnesses.

The WELS and LCMS leaders have deluded themselves into thinking that their cover-ups and lies are effective. They have intimidated many into silence and shown that the corrupt are the ones who get promoted. However, their management expertise does not bring people to church or students to their schools.

The Michigan District of WELS leaders proved time and again that they favored adulterous pastors, alcoholic pastors, and false doctrine. In fact, those three characteristics often came in the same package - except for the lavender contingent. There are many stories about that kind of abuse in WELS, but the facts have a half-life of 10 minutes. Soon after, "What? Who? Never happened. I don't know. I'm not in that district. Who told you?"

In light of the Hybels meltdown, imagine listening to the bragging of WELS leaders about how pure they are, how Lutheran they are, how orthodox, how strict, how heaven is not good enough for the Wisconsin sect.

Then ask, "Why were they so bankrupt that they funneled millions into sending clergy and others to Fuller, Willow Creek, Andy Stanley, and other anti-Lutheran cesspools? Why did this precious sect - that dropped from heaven and kept dropping - bless and promote DMins from the worst schools?"

Ski, Glende, and about 8 others worshiped with Andy Stanley, who is now widely acknowledged to be another blatant apostate. He is velcro to their lint. Ski blogged about it and the blog remained public for the longest time.


I used to read books about sales. One was especially interesting. It said, "If you hire someone to train salespeople and that person was not successful, then the trainees will be no better. They will capture that person's inability, no matter what materials are used to teach."

The parallel in the churches should be apparent. Dimwits like Valleskey, Bivens, Werning (all buddies in Church Growth) went to anti-Lutheran at Fuller and loved it. No matter what they claimed for themselves, the essence of their hatred for Luther's doctrine came through in all their work. And what is worse - so did their cancerous hypocrisy.

I remember Kovaciny repeating the bromides of WELS Church Growth -
"Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!" I said, "Don't wash the baby in sewage."

Mirthless Mark Schroeder's buddy said, "Larry Olson is harmless. Everyone knows he is a false teacher."

Meanwhile, people write to me about the abuse they have suffered from WELS leaders, not to mention the rampant lying and denials in the face of the facts.

Every time I read the sarcastic responses of the Roman cover-up artists, I remember the same approach used by WELS and the CLC (sic). Even as they all shrink to nothing, the same script is followed. Tim Glende used the same tactics practiced in Columbus to prop up Floyd Luther Stolzenburg to save face in Appleton. The rich adulterers can be counted upon to say, "Yay. Amen. You are our hero!"

 Church Growth in the Michigan District, WELS, was a cancer transplant facilitated by Dr. Floyd Luther Stolzenburg (he let people call him that, haha). WELS was hotter than Georgia asphalt to get this rolling, and now St. Paul's is a shell.

Monday, August 6, 2018

Reported Late - The Entire ELDONA Seminary Graduated in June

St. Ignatius ELDONUT Seminary has delayed its new addition, since they no longer have any seminary students.

2018 Synod and Seminary Graduation 
This year’s Diocesan Synod will take place at Salem Lutheran Church (Malone, Texas) during the week of June 25– 29. (The 2018 Colloquium was held in January in Fort Wayne, Indiana.) Although the Colloquium and Synod usually occur during the same week, they were divided this week to accommodate the Seminary schedule, so that the clergy of the diocese would gather after the seminarian’s conclusion of his studies to conduct his theological colloquy. Josiah Scheck’s colloquy is presently scheduled to take place on Tuesday, June 26. The seminary graduation is scheduled for Wednesday evening, June 27.

The ELDONUTs have reached critical mass, as they boasted at one of their recent conferences (theme: Greg Jackson is mean, because his congregation gave us all those books for free, plus the valuable Gerhard set we "borrowed" and kept.)

They are catching up to the Little Sect on the Prairie - "Graduates from the seminary with a Master of Divinity degree were Noah Thompson and Christian Walz." One hundred years of grace without the Means of Grace, and they only have two MDiv graduates.

The Little Schoolhouse on the Prairie bragged that Kincaid Smith's son "earned a PhD" but they failed to mention Michael's school. Here it is -


 Michael Smith has an PhD from Trinity in Indiana, a Babtist, unaccredited online school. "We are not affiliated (accredited) with any regional or national accrediting agency..."

Here is the Trinity catalog PDF.


 Did they colloquize the ex-ELS Rolf Synod before meeting, studying, and worshiping with them? The ELDONUTs treated the Chief Article as an adiaphoron. That was even though the Right Reverend James Milhous Heiser made it clear in 2000 that he rejected Objective Justification - once he knew what it meant - from Thy Strong Word.

Why Combine the Little Sect Story with the ELDONUTs?


 Jay Webber was deeply offended that Floyd Luther Stolzenburg was supported by the ELS/WELS - until Schwan money sent Jay to the Ukraine. How do the Ft. Wayne guys get mixed up with such unqualified clergy? Jay got the Rolf Synod guys back into the ELS, except for Rolf, who became LCMS again.
Herein lies a tale. Jay Webber and Kincaid Smith were midwives for the creation of the Lutheran Confessional Synod, headed by Bishop-for-Life Randy DeJaynes. James Heiser, bishop-in-waiting, was running the book business. For one brief shining moment, the LCS was in fellowship with the ELS. But no one wants to talk about that.


Jay got his STM from an ELCA computer,
so he is almost an alumnus with Michael Smith.

Tuesday, January 31, 2017

Tallahassee pastor's tryst in spotlight - Another UOJist Pronounces His Own Absolution

This is a resume enhancer in WELS.
Ask DP Robert Mueller, VP Kuske, and DP John Seifert.


Tallahassee pastor's tryst in spotlight:


"What I want from God, I have already received - that’s his forgiveness, " Simmons said in his address. "What I am asking of our members is your prayers and your forgiveness.”


In response, the congregation stood and applauded for several minutes.




'via Blog this'

 The ELS supposedly has a "two strikes and ye-e-e-er out!" rule.
But when someone is a serial adulterer and
caught like the Tallahassee minister above -
"He's our Church Growth expert!"
The ELS named a church after his synagogue of Satan.

Saturday, September 3, 2016

Jay Webber versus John Parlow.
But UOJ and Church Growth Play for the Same Team

The Emperor: But I have to address one issue. You Jar-Jar! 
JarJar Binks: Mesa? 
The Emperor: Yes! Despite being an idiot, despite failing at nearly every task, despite being disliked by nearly everyone, you have managed to make it almost to the finals. I cannot let this go on. I cannot imagine you working at my side. 
JarJar Binks: But wait! Mesa gave you complete control of the senate. Yousa have ultimate power now because of mesa. 
The Emperor: Yes, that was a brilliant gamble on your part. I never understand how you pulled that off. But your usefulness to me has ended. You performed that task thinking you were doing good. I just can't condone that. I am! Evil you know

When discussing with individuals who question that the Bible is truly the Word of God but rather only written by men, what resources and background specifically can be shared?

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Paul Webber There is no way to prove that the Bible is God's Word apart from the fact that the Bible claims to be. One WILL believe that the Bible is God's true Word as a result of being brought to faith in God. It's the same as believing in the creation account from Genesis. One can believe, on his or her own, that SOMETHING created the universe, but there's no reason why someone would believe the Biblical account to be true apart from faith. Hebrews 11:3.
John Parlow Paul, what you say is true. But you can build a bridge to share Jesus using apologetics.
Jeff Samelson Key consideration: Are these individuals unbelievers, or do they claim to be Christians? The way you approach this question will be different depending on who they are.
John Parlow She is asking the question from Hong Kong so my assumption is this is the person who is a non-Christian.
Paul Webber That was my assumption too. In reaching out to people, just speak law and Gospel to them. Their belief in the innerancy and inspiration of Scripture will come in due time, God willing
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John Parlow With all due respect, I'm not sure you've ever talk to an atheist or an aggressive evolutionist. I've spent over 30 years speaking to both.
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John Parlow Law and gospel presentation is of vital importance, but in the initial discussion I'm trying to find a plain of thought we can start at.
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Paul Webber I see that you didn't think there was much respect due
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Nate Seelow Holly actually lives in California. She's on a trip and she just arrived in Hong Kong from Southern Asia a few days ago. (I know this sounds stalker-ish, but Holly's a HS classmate of mine and I'm personal friends with her on FB).
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David Jay Webber John Parlow: "With all due respect, I'm not sure you've ever talk[ed] to an atheist or an aggressive evolutionist. I've spent over 30 years speaking to both."

That is, I must say, one of the most self-righteous and judgmental remarks I have ever read 
in this group. On what basis do you presume to suggest that your brother pastor Paul Webber does not know how to engage atheists, evolutionists, or others who question whether the Bible is the Word of God, in conversations about the Christian faith and the Christian Scriptures; or that he is ill-equipped to do so? I wonder if YOU really know how to do this. Did you spend several of your growing-up years in the former Soviet Union, where the dehumanizing impact of Godless, Darwinian communism still lingered in the culture, and in the minds and hearts of many? Are you serving in a subculture in the U.S. (i.e. Utah) that is filled to the brim with people who are utterly confused about what Scripture is, where it comes from, and how and why Scripture is authoritative?

I happen to know that Pastor Webber, in his ministry, often employs an array of apologetic arguments in laying out the difference between the genuine Scriptures and the contrived Mormon Scriptures. He deals with his share of atheists and evolutionists, too. Mormonism, in its darker side, tends to produce quite a few of those, who think all religion is the same, and that it is all like Mormonism, which they have come to hate. Faithful pastoral care, and careful instruction - in the context of inviting people into the redeemed community of the true church, and not just as an intellectual exercise - brings light and liberation to those who are in such spiritual bondage.

As a liturgical and sacramental pastor, and as a faithful proclaimer of law and gospel, Pastor Webber preaches into people, and sacramentally seals to people, the regenerating and justifying power of the Bible's message, in a way that transcends and overcomes the kind of intellectual excuses that are often thrown up by people who are groping for reasons not to repent of their sins, and not to submit to the authority of God in their lives. The divine voice that speaks to the conscience in the faithful application of the Christ-centered law-gospel message of the Bible, breaks through that kind of willful human defiance against God, in a way that apologetic arguments in themselves never can.

We know that the God of the Bible is real when we encounter that God in the person of his Son, and in the soothing voice of his Son, as Christ speaks life into our death, and light into our darkness, by means of his Holy Absolution and his Holy Supper. To know Christ in these healing and hope-filled ways, is to know as divinely true the inscripturated Word that testifies to Christ and carries Christ to us.

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John Parlow Not at all. The discussion is not about you or me. It was about how to bridge the gap with someone who doesn't believe the Bible is God's Word.
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Aaron Odya Holly Hanneman, I'm going to private message you on this one.
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Holly Hanneman Thanks everyone for any insights. I do live in CA and this conversation is with a strong willed very educated atheist also living in CA. He's also a trained lawyer and seems to have a thought out argument for everything ! 
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Aaron Odya I just sent it. You might have to check your message requests folder to see if it is in there.
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Kathy Burnett I give you credit! Good luck!
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Abby Kroken Hello, also a resident of California. I think we're quite near each other, actually. 

I have a handful of friends who are atheists, and one in particular liked to argue about it in the past. The idea that served me well is to reiterate that I didn't c
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John Parlow Just PM me.
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Susan Waldhuetter I was always taught by our pastors that the power of God is in the Word and not in any use of apologetics that mere man can put forth. God's Word- Law and Gospel, the story of grace - is the faith creator through the Holy Spirit, not what man says to attempt to pave the way.
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Ann Behrs Holly, I anxiously wanted to respond to your post, however realized I knew nothing about the person you are witnessing to. YOU are the one God has placed in this person's life and have the amazing opportunity to witness to him. I envy you !!! In ...See More
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Aaron Odya Mentioned that book in my private message ðŸ˜ƒ
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Ann Behrs Aaron Odya I also see that Chap 7 is "A Lawyer's Case for Christianity: An Apologetic for the Tough-Minded". Wish I had more time to finish the book. Am only using the table of contents right now. I've been trying to get through the whole OT first....See More
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Ann Behrs Oops - posted in error before I was done. Chapter 6 is titled "Law, Lawyers, Lutheranism, and the Legal Defense of the Biblical Gospel". It might give you some insight. Are you looking for actual tract literature to share? What do you mean by "background"?
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Ann Behrs Regarding tracts - has anyone had the chance to read the tract/pamphlet "Why Trust the Bible" put out by Rose Publishing.
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Jeff Samelson I second the recommendation of Craig Parton's book(s); he himself would probably recommend resources from John Warwick Montgomery (also a lawyer), perhaps the ablest Lutheran apologist living right now (the guy is brilliant!). You can find multiple interview with him at issuesetc.org, or just google his name and probably find various essays, articles, videos, etc.

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Aaron Odya I would be shocked if he didn't recommend Montgomery
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William Stiefel Holly Hanneman...good question...and a situation we meet more and more as people are convinced thru every means Satan can muster: education, print and visual media, etc that God is an invention and an idea disconnected with reality and "science". I hav...See More
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Aaron Odya I might go one step further and not spend any time at all discussing evolution. If any sort of apologetic would be used, I would stick to a resurrection apologetic. At least that way you have the opportunity to include the gospel message. But good p...See More
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Aaron Odya One additional area that might help you in your discussions with your friend, Holly, is getting to know more about his family background. A brother in the ministry shared an intriguing article regarding atheists, showing how many of history's prominent atheists had poor/no father figure in their lives. I will attempt to find that article and post it here.
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 Parlow was one of many WELS critters who attended the
Andy Stanley conference in Atlanta, where they worshiped
with the Babtist gay activist.



Pitting an ELCA STM against Parlow's D.Min.

World missions, so-called, is good business.
The Schwan Foundation matched funds to build a church in the Ukraine
in honor of Floyd Luther Stolzenburg's Masonic congregation in Columbus.