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| Sent by a reader, who added - "This is you." He added - "Time to give more reason to fear the truth." |
| Reverend John Thorpe | The first minister of record to preach here was a Calvinist minister, Reverend John Thorpe. Unfortunately soon after arriving in 1659, it became apparent he did not adhere to the gospel he preached. His shortcomings included addiction to strong drink, extreme profanity, and a foul disposition. In 1661, he was forbidden by court order to continue preaching. GJ - Note - he was banned, not promoted. Read Jane's story here. |
2008 Links
St. Mark DePere - removes evidence of plagiarism from their websty
GJ - St. Mark is the home of Church and Change, a political lobby funded by your offering money, WELS members.
Creepy Plagiarism - Church and Changers Copy Each Other and Their False Teaching Idols
Church and Change Misbegotten Ideas - Including Ski from St. Marcus and Cross-Dressing Pastor Adam Mueller
Church and Change Board Member Ski Evacuates to Appleton
Another Coven of Changers Offering Their Toxins - Ski Again
You Must Read This - Parlow and Timmer Plagiarize Hybels Words and Emotions
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| WELS Pastor Adam Mueller - From Church and Changer to Gender Bender. |
2009 Links
The Rebels Guide To Plagiarism - How To Get Promoted from Round Rock to Asian Prof
Church and Change Conference in Appleton
2010 Links
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| Change or Die - Seibert Foundation - Parlow and the ELCA LCMS Shrinkers |
Parlow Plagiarism
Hilarious Kelm Graphic - From Anonymous - Not That One, Another Anonymous
More Fox Valley Plagiarism - From Intrepid Lutherans
Bethany Appleton Caught Plagiarizing Swindoll
Apology Erased from Bethany Websty
2011 Links
Why Did Pastor Christenson Leave St. Peter in Freedom after a Few Months?
Deep Sixing the Plagiarism Issue - Intrepids
2012 Links
Plagiarism from Paul McCain, MDiv
2013 Links

Intrepids - Steve Spencer - Afraid



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13 COMMENTS:
Re: Pres. Schroeder's warning against the Church Growth Movement (CGM). I wonder if it's falling on deaf ears? From my point of view, in the past 10-15 years there has been an increase in CGM approaches to ministry and especially worship forms in WELS, while efforts to enhance liturgical worship with time-tested and even official WELS-approved ceremonies are cautioned against as being too "Roman Catholic."
Re: Power Point (PP). I couldn't agree more. Please, please, please, use PP sparingly and then only in a Bible class setting. To project PP on the big screen set up front in the chancel changes the entire tone and mood of the Divine Service. Let the spoken and preached Word draw the picture in the mind's eye, not Microsoft Word.
- Rev. James Schulz [GJ - Why would anyone put a screen in the worship area? The Pentecostals do that, but Lutherans do not.]
Alan Lubeck
Great questions. First, this was part of Pres. Schroeder's address to the WELS synod convention in 2009, so it's a couple of years old by now. Still, we trust that he stands by his words to the synod and still condemns the errors of the CGM and still desires to promote a solid confessional Lutheranism within the WELS.
I think the WELS as a whole is in no position to label the LCMS as a whole as a heterodox church body. I am disappointed when I hear that characterization. I do not agree with it.
The fact is that in WELS, reformed/revivalistic worship and teaching/practice is condemned by some, praised by others and ignored by most, just as it is in Missouri.
Your example about Time of Grace fits this pretty well, in my opinion. I think you're right that the majority opinion in WELS is that Time of Grace's ministry and message are fully in line with confessional Lutheran doctrine and practice, either because they actually approve of the practices or because they simply assume that a WELS pastor (especially one who has a large following!) couldn't possibly be doing anything wrong. But there are others who refuse to promote ToG in their congregations and who warn their members about the content put out by ToG.
As for the average WELS pastor recognizing the revivalist roots in some of the worship practices floating around, I would say that most probably don't think that deeply about it. If it works, it must be OK. "Everything is permissible."
There is much good (cf. the latest Lutheran Witness)and much bad (cf. "Ordain Women Now")in Missouri. There is much good and much bad in WELS. I think it's time for these two kettles to stop calling each other "black" and start helping each other actually to identify and resolve the non-Lutheran practices among us all.
Lee Liermann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uifYHylN4rM&list=UUzME-syXomoqDRfR1GUdmYw&index=10&feature=plcp
Rock on...
Joe Krohn
I find it somehow incomprehensible that the COP does not discuss some of this among themselves and come to some unity or consensus on the issues of poor practice in WELS. Since we never hear anything, what assumptions can we make? I can only guess and none of those guess are too positive. So Rev. Rydecki's idea of maintaining unity is more important than holding pastors and DPs accountable. If synod means walking together, even items of "adiaphora" must be tested to see if they give offense and are orderly. Surely the COP could issue a statement to that affect.
OK, I will now take my foot out of my mouth and be taught by those of you who are better trained in these matters.
Lee Liermann
Sorry to burst your bubble...but as it has been well documented on the Luther Rocks blog, this did not work in our case and unfortunately countless cases of others over the years. It depends on how much fraternal admonishment the pastor (and district) is willing to take...from a layman.
I know there are many who do not approve of the way we went about things. What choice were we left with?
Joe Krohn
Vernon
Lee Liermann
just as Gurgel and Schroeder have supported the Jeske-Patterson Crime Family.