On WELS Abuse - From a Reader

Synod President Mark Schroeder - silent.

Everyone complains about Ichabod and the “perceived” damage it does to the Synod. However, did it ever occur to anyone that if WELS would get off its butt and act when a crime is reported, then victims would seek help first from the Synod and not others? But by its own actions, the Synod forces victims to turn to Ichabod. It’s their fault that so many turn to Ichabod for help! They have no one to blame but themselves. After all, the synod’s response is to ignore. They turn deaf ears to the victims, hoping it will go away. They leave victims with little option except to turn to Ichabod for help. It’s a no-brainer. Of course victims will turn to someone willing to listen! The synod had their chance over and over again and they blew it! You blew it BIG TIME, WELS!

Why is Ichabod the ONLY one listening to the victims? Why is he the only advocating on behalf of the victims? Where is the Synod? Oh, that’s right they are down with their head buried in the sand - pretending it didn’t happen! They have their hands covering their ears yelling loudly, so they can’t hear anything bad… just like a two year old throwing a tantrum. Grow up; get a backbone and listen for heaven’s sake!

Is it ANY surprise then that so many victims turn to Ichabod to get their voice heard? Why are people so shocked? Who else can they turn to? It only makes sense that they continually turn to Ichabod because he is the only one listening. He boldly advocates for them. He doesn’t take “No” for an answer. He doesn’t even take “Hell No” for answer. He refuses to be pushed around when advocating for victim rights. Maybe the synod needs to take some classes from Ichabod on “Victim Sensitivity”. Maybe then they would get it! Of course victims will turn to him for help and a sympathetic ear. He won’t ignore them, like the synod does. He won’t hurt them again, like the synod does. Even the Catholics know how to do it better than our Synod! They make a public statement. They denounce the act. They call it what it is….a CRIME! But does WELS….No! WELS is hiding. WELS is covering up. WELS is heartless to victims. If the synod continually refuses to acknowledge the victims, then they should be PRAISING Ichabod for helping the victims and not condemning him for doing what they FAIL to do! Maybe if the synod gets its act together, and actually does something to help the victims, the victims will start coming to them instead. They have already been hurt and are fearful, so when they are berated and ignored on top of that, you add insult to injury and force them to turn to someone who will listen. The synod hates Ichabod….but Ichabod listens. The Synod says Ichabod does damage… but Ichabod advocates. The Synod says Ichabod is too loud…but Ichabod speaks for those who don’t have a voice. The synod should be thanking Ichabod for picking up their pieces!

Hilarity Continues on SpenerQuest as the Bumpkins Bump into One Another

David Bickel (Drb) Advanced Member Username: Drb Post Number: 864 Registered: 11-2009

Posted on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 7:12 am:       Pastor Webber’s observation that unity in doctrine is not disturbed by variety in exegesis adds clarity to this debate. He also has a helpful Krauth quote on his site. http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/djw/lutherantheology. justificationquotes.html Has anyone written a credible study of Krauth’s position on objective justification? Dawning Realm http://www.dawningrealm.org

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GJ - Everyone must be deeply moved that SpenerQuest has adopted Jay Webber as the Great Prophet. Do they realize he earned an unaccredited STM from an online ELCA style seminary - where women are prepared for the pastorate and preach to the seminary community?

The SpenerQuest group may realize they have the marks of an abusive cult, especially the most important one - their ability to live with constant dogmatic contradictions.

Their purity measure is based upon harmony with Walther, someone with even less education than former LQ warrior Paul McCain and current resident guru Jay Webber. Walther associated only with Pietistic groups, conventicles with abusive gurus, in Germany. Stephan was the second Pietism guru, and Stephan brought his sex cult over to America so he could enjoy his young female groupies - and syphilis - in peace.

Flash - the confessional group in the General Council taught justification by faith. Yale's famous church historian, Jaroslav Pelikan, editor of Luther's Works, defined justification as - justification by faith.

These poor dweebs obsess about their Halle Pietism but choose to overlook the glaring deficiencies in their education and Biblical knowledge.

Did I predict this in a prophetic Photoshop, years ago?
A child shall lead them - Jay the OJ guy.
All Biblical doctrine is trumped by universal salvation without faith.

How To Recognize an Abusive Cutl

Women do not preach or teach men,
except at WELS conventions under Mark Schroeder.
WELS has suspended for the moment -
women consecrating Holy Communion.

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Message from reader - "Good article!! Add me to the list of the victims united with Ichabod! No one else in the synod stands up for the victims!!"

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First List of Lutheran Crimes

Second List of Lutheran Crimes


Those raised within the cult cannot see the marks of the beast clearly. In fact, many aspects of the cult draw the victims closer from a fear of being excluded and shunned.

The constant spying - also known in the Bill Gothard abusive cult - always keeps people worried about who knows what and who is reporting it.

Some of the marks of cult are:

• The leadership is dictatorial in imposing strict rules, showing savage disapproval if their rules are broken. But the leaders break those rules all the time. In WELS, they were always talking about "fellowship principles" while attending Fuller Seminary and rewarding those who also went.
• Hysterical denial and lying when the obvious is pointed out. No one ever went to Fuller Seminary, including Valleskey and Bivens, even though both bragged about it, However, if someone else said they went to Fuller Seminary, retaliation followed.
• Those who begin to see the light are driven away from the congregation or synod in a series of nasty, dirty little tricks. But, when people quit in disgust, the same are drawn back in with a superficial show of affection and forgiveness. The cult wants everyone back, as long as each target has a broken will and a new, servile attitude.
• Dogma is rigid but changed when certain people decide that can be done. The old attitudes are a matter of boasting until the new set of rules is imposed without notice. Love the KJV and hate the new translations? Then hate the KJV and love the new translations. Questioning the new translation became cause for excommunication in the WELS.
• Contradictory dogmas are taught at the same time, depending on whether the cult is including or excluding. For example, one future WELS DP would be passing out brochures on "fellowship in externals" being wrong, but the current DP is saying, "No, we are FOR fellowship in externals." When one pastor learned for the first time that his DP was on the board of Lutheran World Relief, he almost cried. "I grew up in WELS and never knew that." 
• Secrecy is the key approach to every single matter. Therefore, it is a sin simply to be curious about the truth or to seek it out. "How dare you investigate on your own!" - I was told. 
• No scandal or crime is bad enough to be revealed to everyone else. Because of this secrecy, the criminals are protected while the leakers are searched out and stopped. The evidence has to be erased because "you are hurting brethren and sistern in the faith." Cistern is the operative pun.
• Therefore, no one knows anything, even if a DP is in court on felony charges against young girls in his congregation, the DMB chairman is in court over his vicar's felonies, or someone's spouse has been murdered.
• But - pay close attention to this - if the cult is offended, any lie, slander, or fiction aimed against the offender is just desserts, payment due with double interest, 
• This is how any abusive cult - like WELS or Bob Jones or any IFB church - deals with the truth starting to emerge. "Where did you hear (or read) this?" No matter what the answer is, the response is a volcano of vilification filled with the official "facts" that seem to be everywhere. Hardly anyone persists after hearing how evil, brain-damaged, dishonest, hated, senile, or stupid that source is.
• Note that Missouri, the Little Sect, and WELS play a game with Herman Otten and Christian News. The abusive sects have minders that encourage Otten to spike any story about their crimes. But if word gets out through persistent CN authors, then Otten and CN are given the volcano of vilification treatment.
• Publishing in CN is a heinous sin, unless the synod leaders do it. Then they "cannot help it, because Otten copies everything."
• Finally, because everyone becomes accustomed to these marks of an abusive cult, children and youth of both sexes are sexually abused, just as women are - and no one cares. No one dares report it. The targets do not have the emotional strength to get out of the situation on their own and find themselves re-victimized if they try to end the situation. They welcomed the sex! They seduced the poor fellow - a teacher, pastor, or prominent layman! WELS is advanced enough to have predatory lesbian teachers too. 
• But nothing ever happened. 
• I don't know anything about it.
• Who told you?

If a woman on the staff objects to sexual harassment,
including x-rated conversations
and an x-rated photo thrust at her,
the pastors and their robots sue her in court.