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| The Confessional Lutheran Fellowship on Facebook denies the Gospel of John, Jesus' sermons, St. Paul, Augustine, Luther, Melanchthon, Chemnitz, and the Book of Concord. There are exceptions among the OJ gasbags, but they are few. |
John C. Drosendahl That's just it, Joe...those who end up denying OJ make two exegetical errors. First, they interpret Romans 5:18 only in the 'broad context' of chapter 3 and the beginning of chapter 5, ignoring 5:19 and even the parallel "all people" who are condemned ...See More
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David Jay Webber Always consider the context and the point being made. Is the gospel a promise that bestows what it describes, or is it a demand that requires works from us? Obviously, it is a promise. Is the gospel an objective reality that is already true for everyon...See More
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Jim Schulz David Jay Webber The promise of forgiveness is an objective reality in Christ. He won forgiveness for the world. And believers receive it through faith.
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Bjarte Edvardsen We are in agreement. What I wrote was directed towards those who reject objective justification.
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David Jay Webber When someone confesses his sin and you then absolve him, are you in effect saying that God promises to forgive him if he believes, or are you saying that God forgives him? And Jesus winning a forgiveness that can be and is received through faith is obj...See More
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Jim Schulz David Jay Webber Absolution is the delivery of the promised forgiveness. With the simul in mind, when it comes to Christians the absolution doesn't strengthen the status of justification for the recipient (that's complete and full no matter how strong or weak the recipient's faith is), rather the absolution strengthens the sanctification of the recipient.
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David Jay Webber When is forgiveness just forgiveness, and not qualifiedly a promised forgiveness?
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Jim Schulz David Jay Webber It's both/and. I think the "Occam's razor" in this debate is well summarized by Kurt Marquart:
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Jim Schulz And so based on what Marquart said, it is not heresy to say that unbelievers are not forgiven, not righteous, not justified.
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David Jay Webber Marquart was here clarifying and defending objective/universal/general justification, and positioning that teaching in its proper place within the whole article of justification by grace for Christ's sake through faith. With respect to the "individual/...See More
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Jim Schulz I can agree with the way Marquart expresses justification there, David Jay Webber
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