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| Isn't that Bishop James Heiser standing next to Pastor Rolf Preus, at the ELDONA conference? Didn't Heiser speak for the UOJ Higher Things Children's Crusade? |
Steve Schmidt (Sschmidt) Intermediate Member Username: Sschmidt Post Number: 323 Registered: 3-2017 |
Here's an interesting short summary of how Christ's atonement/reconciliation is both objective, once and for all through the cross, and subjectively appropriated by the believer through faith. "The inquiry into the nature of atonement (or reconciliation) presupposes a broken relationship. Atonement (or reconciliation) brings about the restoration of the relationship, creating both a change in and renewal of it. Hence, atonement is recognized as a communicative and open-ended process, which needs continual repetition and renewal. Indeed, God reconciled the world with Himself once and for all (2 Cor. 5:19), but this atonement event is reappropriated in faith and put into effect again and again. "In Luther’s theology, atonement designates the communicative disclosure of God’s salvation revealed to believers in the person and work of Jesus Christ in two ways: in the proclamation of the gospel and in the existential impartation of the person of Jesus Christ to the believer, who in turn is freed to enter new life, trusting in God, in the process of reconciliation. In this atonement event mediated by the work of the Holy Spirit, sin is overcome; the death and life of Jesus Christ are appropriated by God for the believer, and the person is separated from his or her sin. Therefore, atonement rests completely on the creative, communicative action of the triune God. However, there is also a human aspect involved that anticipates the believer’s death in baptism and transfers the believer into a new life (2 Cor. 5:17–19)." http://religion.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore /9780199340378.001.0001/acrefore-9780199340378-e-3 37 GJ - What a load of claptrap! | ||
     Joe Krohn (Jekster) Advanced Member Username: Jekster Post Number: 622 Registered: 4-2011 |
What did the atonement accomplish? GJ - The Church and Changers, like dogs, return to their vomit, UOJ. | ||
| Alan Lubeck (1431) Senior Member Username: 1431 Post Number: 1780 Registered: 11-2004 |
"What did the atonement accomplish?" Exactly. Atonement rests completely in the hands of Christ as he hung there with nail in His hands shedding His Blood for the world. When He said it is finished, it wasn't some kind of satire. It was the Truth! He committed the word of FINISHED RECONCILIATION to man which is distributed in Word and Sacrament. One can certainly reject this salvation and burn in hell forever, but that doesn't make Jesus a liar when He said, "It is finished." ELDONA has been hoodwinked by human reason. Their pastors/laymen need to crack open their Bibles again and quit trying to do the Human Reason Hokey Pokey. GJ - I am led to conclude that Luther's Justification by Faith is Calvinism, Arminianism, and rationalism! LQ decrees - "Let there be darkness." | ||
| Joe Krohn (Jekster) Advanced Member Username: Jekster Post Number: 623 Registered: 4-2011 |
I would agree with eldona and others that the Atonement & Redemption do not benefit one who is outside of faith. However, they will take it further and say the Atonement and Redemption are not accomplished unless you have faith. I had a discussion on the old Intrepid Lutherans blog concerning 2 Peter 2 where one eldona pastor denied that the faithless are redeemed. GJ - So-called facts without quotations or citations, from JK, who denied he was JK on Church and Change's listserve. Then he admitted he was. So when was JK lying? | ||
| Pastor Rolf David Preus (Rolf) Senior Member Username: Rolf Post Number: 9921 Registered: 5-2001 |
Earlier this month I gave four lectures on objective justification at the North Dakota District Pastors' Conference in Bismarck. During Q and A when I asked the pastors if they had heard of ELDoNA, less than 10% had. The fact that ELDoNA is so little known also means that their serious error on this crucial topic is also little known. Folks leaving Missouri for "greener pastures" must be warned about ELDoNUTs. Pastor Rolf David Preus GJ - Oh no! Now all your relatives know about the ELDONUTs too, Rolf, but that will not move the needle. No one reads LQ sic - except on Ichabod. |
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| Do not pay attention to the Book of Concord recommending Luther's Galatians on the topic of Justification by Faith. Oh no! Ask Rolf Preus and Jay Webber, neither one qualified to teach by Reformation standards. Ditto - James Heiser. But like all Enthusiasts, no one can stop their yapping and preening. |
