Infamous Huberists: From the New Gallery at The Smoking Gun

Pope John the Malefactor

Easter absolution sermon:
plagiarized from Huber.

AC V has left a new comment on your post "Since We Have So Few Lutherans Left, Let Us Celebr...":

More on Huber and UOJ terminology:

"Learned men are at this day agreed that Huber swerved from the Lutheran doctrines, in words rather than meaning; for what the Lutherans maintain respecting the love of God as embracing the whole human race, and excluding no one absolutely from eternal salvation, this he would explain in a new manner and in new phraseology. But this age having learned from numerous examples, that new phraseology and new modes of explaining doctrines produced as lasting and as pernicious disturbance as new errors, urged Huber to adopt the old and universal method of teaching, in preference to his own. And when he declared that he could not do so, and his patrons here and there threatened to produce disturbance, he was compelled to relinquish his office, and go into exile." - Murdock's Mosheim, Cen. xvi. sec. iii. Part ii. chap. L

The modern history of Universalism, from the era of the Reformation to the present time (Volume v.1) (page 21 of 36)

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Jack Kilcrease, Roman Catholic college instructor.

Jack Cascione, President of the Jack Cascione Synod.

Tim Glende, Tyrant.

Jay Webber, Huber Professor of Universal Forgiveness,
Little Sect on the Prairie.

Stevie Kurtzahn, tireless opponent
of Shrove Tuesday pancakes.

Gurgle and Ski, who help me
spell-check this blog.

Richard Jungkuntz, godfather of radicalism, Seminex,
the first Lutheran seminary to train homosexual and lesbian candidates.

Paul McCain, salesman for the
Calvinist ESV.

Walther Conference Cancelled at Our Lady of Sorrows, St. Louis. Isn't the Cancellation Automatic Now?

bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Quote of the Day: Luther and Paul":

The Walther Conference at Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, has been cancelled, the second time this has occurred. It was cancelled after Herman Otten sent an outline of his speech to the synod hierarchy detailing what he thought Walther would have done if he were in leadership today. It was too much for them to bear, apparently.

Several years ago, SP Kieschnick had the Walther conference cancelled at St. Louis seminary specifically because many of the participants and attendees had sued the LCMS and Kieschnick over his election fraud. This occurred despite the out-of-court settlement that Kieschnick signed saying he would not retaliate against the whistle blowers. Then subsequently he violated the agreement again when he approved 114 or so delegate exceptions mostly from the liberal east coast portion of the LCMS, thereby securing his re-election, just as he had done three years before, the very action that brought on the lawsuit. After Kieschnick got away with that scot-free both times, the lawyer Doggert, or whatever his name was, resigned from the Lutheran Foundation, since Kieschnick showed he could act with impunity despite any legal process mounted against him:

Walther 2011 Conference Canceled:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reclaimnews/message/255

http://christiannewsmo.blogspot.com/2011/10/walther-200-years-after-his-birth-what.html

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GJ - Sure, Paul McCain was going to let Cascione and Otten occupy Our Lady of Sorrows Seminary in Clayton and get the Bronzies all pumped up. That will happen right after  McCain outgrows his gun fetish.

I remember Bishop Sauer dealing with a group of German ethnic pastors. The "interest group" - as it was called - was entitled to meet and have their officers. They arranged a meeting when Ken Sauer was the LCA bishop in Ohio. He said he could not find the meeting place. That is even better than "I forgot" or Doug Englebrecht ducking a meeting and leaving a letter. How can someone say, "But you did know how to get there."

The Germans were pretty upset and mailed out a letter about it. Perhaps five people read it.

One reader was correct. Almost no one cares about Walther. The vast majority will never read anything about him, so the mythological lies will continue. His methods of grabbing power and bullying others will continue to be emulated by his descendants.

Three people kidnapped, mob rule, massive theft, land fraud -
let's build a shrine to our hero.

The Walther shrine, complete with BVM Walther statue.
Buy mini-statues from Christian News.

Quote of the Day: Luther and Paul

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Quote of the day:

Martin Luther held that it was "not at all in conformity with the New Testament to write books about Christian doctrine." He noted that before the Apostles wrote books, they "previously preached to and converted the people with the physical voice, which was also their real apostolic and New Testament work."[4] To Luther, it was necessary to write books to counter all the false teachers and errors of the present day, but writing books on Christian teaching came at a price. "But since it became necessary to write books, there is already a great loss, and there is uncertainty as to what is meant."[5] Martin Luther taught preaching and lectured upon the books of the Bible in an exegetical manner. To Luther, St. Paul was the greatest of all systematic theologians, and his Epistle to the Romans was the greatest dogmatics textbook of all time.[1]

from Wikipedia: "Lutheran scholasticism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran_scholasticism 

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Two Birthdays To Note: Martin Luther and Martin Chemnitz

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We Lutherans look forward to celebrating two birthdays a few days into November. The 9th and the 10th.

Martin Chemnitz and Martin Luther.

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Since We Have So Few Lutherans Left, Let Us Celebrate Huberism

LPC has left a new comment on your post "Digging Up an Obscure Theologian: AC V Has a Busy ...":

It is interesting that Huber used to be Reformed. He was in utter wacko mind when he thought that justification was the same as the atonement. This indeed is the paradigm of Calvinism.

Based on that quote that Dr. Greg provided, clearly Huber was a UOJer.

He was also greatly mistaken to believe that a person who claims only believers are saved is a Calvinist. He missed JBFA. Since he missed JBFA he could not then detect universalism in himself. One is a corollary to the other.

LPC

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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Delicious Quotation from Hardt: UOJ and Huberism":

Huberanism:

http://www.studiumexcitare.com/content/6 

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Huber and Walther":

Bruce,

Plagiarize is the word. Thanks for that.

The way he did it was clever, he denounced Huber but at the same time adopted Huber's paradigm. Neat.

The side effect of this? Well he sounded original or insightful and even orthodox.

If a person can be dishonest in his relationship with people (kidnapping etc), does this not trickle down to being dishonest in theology?

Look at Issues Etc., they have now featured Walther's life twice and probably more to come. What is more is that they do it with much adoration.


LPC

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Calov, Gerhard, and Quenstedt: Are These Men Addre...":

Agree that UOJ is Huberism as well as Waltherianism.

LPC

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GreyGoose:

The Huber posts are very interesting.  To understand that the controversy was heated in Chemnitz' time could indicate that the Zwingli/Calvin influence remained in sway with a certain ambivalence and continued at one level or another until the Knapp/Woods definitions tended to solidified things. 

All of the UOJ arguments are of the "well, but..." trait.  Even the Walther quotes are as two-sided as Huber's.

A fascinating look at the historical progressions. 

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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Who Is Polycarp Leyser? The Founder of a Dynasty o...":

References to the Huber controversy:

He was opposed by Polycarp Lyser and  Hunnius (1593), whom he in his turn charged with Calvinism. For the particulars of the controversy, and the explanations of Huber, see Schröckh, iv. p. 601, and Andr. Schmidii Dissert, de Sam. Hnberi Vita, Fatis et Doctrina, Heimst., 1708, 4. Jul. Niggers, Beiträge zur Lcbensgesch Sam. Hubens, in Illgen's Zeitschrift, 1844. Trechsel, in the Berner Taschenbuch, 1844. Schweizer, Centraidogmen, i. 501 sq.

http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA279&lpg=PA277&dq=Dr.%20Samuel%20Huber%20Lutheran%20theologian%20universalism&sig=r64RhJR00M-X2owTQbWbAQKHayk&ei=yh2oTqOAO4OLsQKIk4jADw&ct=result&id=24QXAAAAYAAJ&ots=2AYNdMwoLj&output=text  

GJ - Someone wondered what happened to Huberism after he was repudiated. The Calvinists began to gain among the Lutherans again. Not long after, Spener took advantage of the Arndt book to publish his new program of unionism, doctrinal indifference, and cell groups - Pious Wishes - the beginning of Pietism.

A recent book by NPH noted that Calvinism is no longer crypto among the Lutherans.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Since We Have So Few Lutherans Left, Let Us Celebr...":

One can see why Walther liked the BoC so much. All his errors came to the scene after the BoC was written, and thus they were not proscribed by the BoC. Meanwhile, Walther could charge that his opponents' beliefs violated the BoC.

Walther's 200th Birthday - October 25, 2011: Mythological Origins of the LCMS. WELS, ELS, LCMS Filled with Huberism and Enthusiasm

The LCMS continues to promote a mythological view of C. F. W. Walther. Contrary information has been stored at the Concordia Historical Institute, where Paul McCain once sought refuge, but no one wants to admit the truth.

When Walther was born in 1811, Germany was divided between Pietists and rationalists. Orthodox Lutherans were scarcer than hen's teeth. Walther's education was rationalistic but he fell in with a group of extreme Pietists. He was starving himself to death when he found comfort in the less strict cell group circles of Martin Stephan. His new leader was trained in Halle Pietism and took great pride in the success of his cell group congregation in Dresden. Walther gave Stephan credit for saving his life.

When hagiographers write about Walther's health, readers should remember that their hero was emotionally disturbed and starving himself to death with acts of contrition. Doubtless he read plenty of Luther when sick, but that did not make Walther a Lutheran.

Stephan, like many cell group leaders, had profound hold on many of his followers. Although it is true that he had religious opponents, Stephan also made enemies with his early dalliances with various women. Like many cell group or Church Growth leaders, Stephan imagined he had a right to have sex with the women and girls in his congregation.

Unfortunately for his long-suffering wife, Stephan contracted syphilis from his adulteries. This fact is also known among insiders although it might have escaped the notice of his closest followers at the time. Syphillis begins with a sore but may seem to go away without treatment. Various symptoms may appear from time to time, but the ignorant sufferer may think, "I was only imagining that I had the French disease. I have to stop worrying so much." During this stage Stephan passed the disease to his wife. The son was healthy, but three of their daughters were deaf and sickly, symptoms of the congenital syphilis. Stephan and his wife were also plagued with various symptoms.

Stephan had rashes, a sign of syphilis, and his #1 mistress, Louise, lived with him at the spa when he was being treated. Stephan's wife visited the spa to help, but she was sent home. Stephan also installed a young woman in his attic, never explaining why. His wife kicked the girl out and locked the attic. Stephan had the lock broken and brought the girl back. He insisted he was "master of the house." Bullying adulterers and their passive wives are a common feature of the Church Growth Movement today.

Stephan's behavior led to police investigations and various accusations of improprieties with women. He was famous for late-night walks with women. Stephan was under house arrest just before he was allowed to leave for America. His wife gave clear testimony about the extent of his adultery, so the mythologists of today can hardly claim ignorance.

Therefore, the claim that the Stephanites "suddenly" found out about his adultery proves how anxious Walther and his descendants were to hide their prior knowledge of the randy bishop's immorality. Multiple appearances of syphilis among the women in America may have spread panic among the pastors, who knew they would soon be ridiculed again in the newspapers - this time for following a syphilitic impostor.

The Walther gang faced the possibility that they would be arrested with Bishop Stephan, or strung up for bringing a diseased phony to America as their bishop. Those fears explain the frantic and secretive stealing of the bishop's land (given to him by the society) and the mob action. Walther and his mob descended like a pack of wolves on the fold. Walther already prepped his future in-laws and others in Perryville about the bishop, but avoided Stephan.

The Truth about Walther's Mob Action 
Walther had no qualms about breaking the law. He and his brother kidnapped their niece and nephew from their father's parsonage, bringing them to America, where the children died. The police issued arrest warrants for Walther, which is why he left Europe on a different ship. His ship sank in a storm, leading the hagiographers to rejoice that God spared the life of their hero, whose personality and doctrine left an indelible (bad) impression on the LCMS.

Walther led the mob of 300 from St. Louis to Perryville on May 29th. He left the bishop's supporters at home. According to Stephan himself:

• Pastors Loeber and Keyl told Stephan he was no longer bishop. Stephan was denied food from that time on.
• Vehse and Marbach, attorneys who helped Walther kidnap the children, helped lead the mob.
• Vehse forced Stephan to undress, so they could look for more money to steal from him.
• Two men guarded Stephan - forcible detention. The mob surrounded the house, lit fires, and hit the house with whips. In effect, they threatened the life of Stephan and forced him to surrender all his personal possessions, money, and books, leaving him bankrupt. All this happened without a trial or even a hearing.
• The mob stole 4000 gold coins.
• They also took 1500 books, a valuable library even today, but far more precious in the days of the letter-press.
• They stole his clothing and bedding.
• Contrary to the lies being spread today in Perry County by Walther's idolaters, Stephan was not given a choice over the courts, a return to Europe, or exile in Illinois. He was taken at gunpoint on a steamer the next day, with nothing left. This was the third kidnapping arranged by Walther, yet the Purple Palace historians hail him as the American Luther.
• The felons dumped Stephan in a ramshackle hut with a spade and an axe to "earn his living."
• Not content with what they had already done, the Society spread stories about Stephan, such as his conversion to Roman Catholicism. They accused him of being an embezzler, although he had no access to the funds.
• Louis Guenther, his #1 mistress, came over to help Stephan and live with him. She had previously lived with him at the spa. Stephan was quite ill at this point, doubtless a response to his stress and exposure, being forced to camp on the ground the night he was driven out of his house.
• Walther fraudulently tricked Stephan's son into giving up the title to the 80 acres that the bishop bought with his own money. The son had no right to change ownership and later felt used and abused by Walther. Nevertheless, the Stephan family has had a long and impressive history in the LCMS. One was a speaker for the Lutheran Hour.
• Stephan eventually took his case to court and won back a token amount from the Society. The mob kept two valuable chalices they stole from him, which are still a point of contention. One was used for Holy Communion at Walther's church in St. Louis. Ain't that sweet?

I have no use for adulterous pastors. Their marital infidelity is but a clue of their unfaithfulness to the Word of God. Stephan was a disease-ridden false teacher, but Walther's gang were his enablers. They participated in his Pietism, his blend of Lutheran and Calvinistic doctrine. They ignored Stephan's numerous and obvious examples of immorality. They were like many city folks who came to America and found the wilderness to be far less than they imagined.

The Saxon Immigration Society reminds me of the Columbus WELS pastors, who knowingly followed a man kicked out of the LCMS ministerium and sued by the husband of one mistress. All their subsequent troubles can be traced to their willingness to spread false doctrine while overlooking the obvious. Unwilling to let WELS enjoy all the toxins and pathogens, the Little Sect on the Prairie adopted the same adulterer and worked with him through Thoughts of Faith (sic). Impressario Jay Webber, a true Waltherian, said he was helpless to do anything about it.

Walther's methods have created the template for Synodical Conference behavior. He had to be top dog. Any deception was fine, as long as it advanced his personal cause. Anyone who differed with Walther was driven away. All the Lutheran groups were supposed to bow to Walther. If they wavered, he denounced them as false teachers.

In Pursuit of Religious Freedom is essential reading to get behind the lies told by Paul McCain, Steadfast Lutherans (sic), SP Harrison, Christian News, and the rest.

The Stephan website is also worth studying.

Yes, we know Stephan was really a cad, but nothing justifies the behavior of the Walther mob.

The Stephan website is managed by a lesbian descendant of Stephan, but that does not change the facts. McCain's knee-jerk personal attacks are right from the Walther playbook.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Walther's 200th Birthday - October 25, 2011: Mytho...":

Two hundred years later in this country, Orthodox Lutherans are still scarcer than hen's teeth.