Since We Have So Few Lutherans Left, Let Us Celebrate Huberism

LPC has left a new comment on your post "Digging Up an Obscure Theologian: AC V Has a Busy ...":

It is interesting that Huber used to be Reformed. He was in utter wacko mind when he thought that justification was the same as the atonement. This indeed is the paradigm of Calvinism.

Based on that quote that Dr. Greg provided, clearly Huber was a UOJer.

He was also greatly mistaken to believe that a person who claims only believers are saved is a Calvinist. He missed JBFA. Since he missed JBFA he could not then detect universalism in himself. One is a corollary to the other.

LPC

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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Delicious Quotation from Hardt: UOJ and Huberism":

Huberanism:

http://www.studiumexcitare.com/content/6 

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Huber and Walther":

Bruce,

Plagiarize is the word. Thanks for that.

The way he did it was clever, he denounced Huber but at the same time adopted Huber's paradigm. Neat.

The side effect of this? Well he sounded original or insightful and even orthodox.

If a person can be dishonest in his relationship with people (kidnapping etc), does this not trickle down to being dishonest in theology?

Look at Issues Etc., they have now featured Walther's life twice and probably more to come. What is more is that they do it with much adoration.


LPC

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Calov, Gerhard, and Quenstedt: Are These Men Addre...":

Agree that UOJ is Huberism as well as Waltherianism.

LPC

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GreyGoose:

The Huber posts are very interesting.  To understand that the controversy was heated in Chemnitz' time could indicate that the Zwingli/Calvin influence remained in sway with a certain ambivalence and continued at one level or another until the Knapp/Woods definitions tended to solidified things. 

All of the UOJ arguments are of the "well, but..." trait.  Even the Walther quotes are as two-sided as Huber's.

A fascinating look at the historical progressions. 

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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Who Is Polycarp Leyser? The Founder of a Dynasty o...":

References to the Huber controversy:

He was opposed by Polycarp Lyser and  Hunnius (1593), whom he in his turn charged with Calvinism. For the particulars of the controversy, and the explanations of Huber, see Schröckh, iv. p. 601, and Andr. Schmidii Dissert, de Sam. Hnberi Vita, Fatis et Doctrina, Heimst., 1708, 4. Jul. Niggers, Beiträge zur Lcbensgesch Sam. Hubens, in Illgen's Zeitschrift, 1844. Trechsel, in the Berner Taschenbuch, 1844. Schweizer, Centraidogmen, i. 501 sq.

http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA279&lpg=PA277&dq=Dr.%20Samuel%20Huber%20Lutheran%20theologian%20universalism&sig=r64RhJR00M-X2owTQbWbAQKHayk&ei=yh2oTqOAO4OLsQKIk4jADw&ct=result&id=24QXAAAAYAAJ&ots=2AYNdMwoLj&output=text  

GJ - Someone wondered what happened to Huberism after he was repudiated. The Calvinists began to gain among the Lutherans again. Not long after, Spener took advantage of the Arndt book to publish his new program of unionism, doctrinal indifference, and cell groups - Pious Wishes - the beginning of Pietism.

A recent book by NPH noted that Calvinism is no longer crypto among the Lutherans.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Since We Have So Few Lutherans Left, Let Us Celebr...":

One can see why Walther liked the BoC so much. All his errors came to the scene after the BoC was written, and thus they were not proscribed by the BoC. Meanwhile, Walther could charge that his opponents' beliefs violated the BoC.