Took the Test, Diagnosis Needed for Treatment

Cover one eye. Which cat is clearer than the other? OK, cover the other eye. Cat one or cat two?

One optician tested my eyes recently and found a potential for glaucoma. She suggested more testing.

As most people know, untreated glaucoma leads to blindness. Those little pumps in the eye keep up a precise pressure. If the pressure is too high for a period of time, vision is destroyed. The onset is subtle.

Family history matters, and my father had glaucoma.

The Lutheran sect approach is to avoid testing at all costs. If someone offers a correct diagnosis, or even asks for more testing, that individual is run out of town (figuratively and literally) and attacked in every possible way.

I went to the one of the best eye clinics in the area. I knew it was a classy place, because the posted dress code was - Wear shoes.

I did not want to hear bad news, but I thought going blind would limit the damage I do to UOJ, so I took the tests. I am fine for now, but will need annual testing.

The Lutheran sects have been promoting falsehood for decades. Everyone knows it but few survivors want to deal openly with it. Without a proper diagnosis, additional blindness will follow.

WELS Has Leaders - All Bad. Remove Them All.Publishing News

The younger WELS discussion, below, illustrates what a waste of time and money the WELS convention was.

Publishing news:

Luther versus the UOJ Pietistists: Justification by Faith will be revised in the near future.

The Story of Jesus in Pictures is being readied for publication in due time. I will have a revision done today.

I am working on a murder mystery for the future. A novel can be a good platform for promoting a perspective, so I decided to try my hand at that. I am mentioning the because people push me along once I admit I am going to write something. Pardon the pun, but there is no deadline established.

The Changers will be relieved, but I am not letting up on them. If I can shed some light on what is happening, I will, but more of the posts will be about doctrine rather than Lutheran leaders feathering their nests by promoting apostasy.

Losing by Winning: Younger WELS Members Not Fooled

Mark Jeske has moved full-time to Time of Grace,
meaning he is too precious to waste his time in pastoral work.

Discussion on Facebook

Gregg Batzer

I used to contribute to Time of Grace Ministry on a regular basis, but quit doing so. The issue that bothered me was that Jeske preached one message to one group of people and another message to another group of people and elevated people of known moral flaws to high status. The law and gospel are meant for all and his occasional scripture-poor messages undermined his normally good ones. I wrote to Pastor Jeske about this and did not receive adequate responses. The later controversy over Jeske's involvement with LCMS raised still more questions for me. I get the impression that Jeske has a tendency to push the envelope, to stretch his Christian freedom a little too far.

Scott Barefoot

My own personal story of "dissapointment" with Pastor Jeske (not that it is one of biblical importance) was last winter when he was one of the "Key Note Speakers" at the WELS College Rally (I attended as a work shop speaker). He got up there and basically showed a "sales pitch" for his Time of Grace T.V. Program. After his talk, he said "Sorry, I have to run... but, please feel free to talk to my staff...".
I just thought that was really, really BAD form. Here he was, invited to be a "Key Note Speaker" at a college rally, and gives a "sales pitch" before pawning everyone off on his "staff". If anything, I personally, think his ego just needs to be "taken down a few notches".
I think his ability to share God's Word with "The Masses" via a syndicated television program is a great one. I just (personally) question his motives, at times.

Gregg Batzer

Scott,
That reminded me of an incident where a friend and I felt duped into attending a short seminar put on by lay people associated with Time of Grace. The invitation was a short, vague statement indicating that we would be learning evangelism techniques. It turned out to be a recruiting pitch to join Time of Grace. It more notably spoke to all of the great things that Pastor Jeske does, but said little of the the gospel message and the work of the Holy Spirit.

Joe Jewell

No problem, Scott!

(In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a signatory to the first memorial [2011-06U] so obviously I support it.)

To the points that Scott and Gregg have made: I was also present at the 2010 College Rally this past December (Scott and I were both workshop presenters). I was absolutely not impressed with the Time of Grace video Pastor Jeske showed--not only was it pure self-promotion, it wasn't even self-promotion aimed at the right audience (WELS college students)! He was clearly recycling a past fundraising video and passing that off as his "keynote speech"! Even worse, as Gregg notes above, there was not even a word of the Gospel, or the action of the Holy Spirit, and none of the "success stories" of people that ToG had supposedly reached mentioned any involvement with churches of any denomination (let alone WELS/ELS churches). They were all basically stories revolving around "Pastor Jeske inspired me to improve my life". It was very works-oriented and very Jeske-focused.

(If I am misconstruing the video--and I don't think I am--I would welcome a link or a transcript.)

 

Convention Summary: Church and Change Shuts Out Opposition. NNIV To Be Pushed Again

Mark and Avoid Jeske Memorial Explores the Outer Limits of Irony

Two memorials were proposed about Mark and Avoid Jeske. The discussion today ended with DP Buchholz supporting Jeske, the anonymous leader of Church and Change. Buchholz is supposedly the only DP in favor of reform.

My favorite moment arrived when DP Rutschow (on the far left of the bus) played the role of aggrieved Doctrinal Pussycat. He admitted, with some emotion, that his coven already approved of Jeske in this matter, cautioning everyone that the convention was no place to discuss doctrine.

DP Rutschow got rid of the mother church of WELS and its pastor--Hastings, Historic St. John in Milwaukee--over a minor incident that was quickly resolved with apologies made and damages paid. Rutschow went for scorched-earth revenge, and everyone lost out.

But when Mark Jeske is involved, and his false doctrine is well known, the motto is "Touch not the Lord's anointed!" - which applies to Jeske, the DP, all DPs, all officials, etc. etc.

I believe it was a delegate who cited the Eighth Commandment and the Fourth Commandment. Innocent readers, you need to know that Jeske's published false doctrine is beyond reproach. But even more importantly, it is a Fourth Commandment sin to question the Doctrinal Pussycats. God put them there, through electioneering and even with some fraudulent voting, but God works in a mysterious way His wonders to perform. To question the WELS officials is to question God.

The First Table is missing from the WELS Ten Commandments. So is the Sixth Commandment. Just remember the Fourth and Eighth. If there any questions, ask your CP or DP, but not in a way that will cause them to excommunicate you.

Everyone dodged the issues by talking vaguely about RSO status in the LCMS. The two sects are already engaged in a non-geographical merger with ELCA and the Little Sect on the Prairie.

A cat inside a fish! Ironic!

More irony from the WELS convention:

1. The WELS convention addresses RSO status with another Lutheran group while ignoring that Jeske is the leader (with District VP Patterson) in studying/worshiping with all the worst false teachers in America.
   
2. The intellectual leaders of WELS, whose IQs may reach three digits, argue for the NNIV, while trying to claim they care about the Word of God.
   
3. Every issue should be discussed, but not at the convention. That should be done with the Doctrinal Pussycat and kept a secret.
   
4. Christian Life Resources, after jettisoning the name WELS Lutherans for Life, because they broke with Missouri, needed some kind of resolution to preserve their family values PR spin, even though the pastoral director divorced his wife and married his sexretary.
   
5. The WELS Militant did not officially reject the NNIV but only dithered about approving it at this point in time.
6. Failing to confess the truth of the Gospel or to repudiate error, WELS congratulates itself on being "confessional" while routinely trashing the Book of Concord in favor of their Wauwatosa shrine.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Mark and Avoid Jeske Memorial Explores the Outer L...":

Buchholz didn't rebuke Jeske for his false doctrine and practice? Do tell. Ineffective? Say no more.

DP Buchholz' 2005 UOJ essay promoting the false and abundantly contradictory gospel of Universal salvation was supremely effective.

Jay Garcia
In a world where teens are always looked at by the eyes of the Devil a WELS youth rally is a blessing it shows that even in this world where sin is everywhere there teens that still believe that we can help show to other people that Jesus saved all and that the Father loves all of his children.
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http://www.facebook.com/teenrally2011?sk=wall

Nineveh Living PC Porno-Myth Version Vote Fails:WELS To Slip It to the Districts

Mequon said, "Moo!" and Murdoch's slaves replied, "BOHICA!"


Jonah 3:10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened. 

Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Official Minutes - Overpaid Seminary Official Tells Official Lies

A Babtist--who denies infant faith, infant baptism, the efficacy of the Word, and the Real Presence--will lead you.
Doug Moo, Wheaton College

From the official minutes:

Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary President Paul Wendland presented the report of the Translation Evaluation Committee. He introduced the members of the committee and explained the reason why the question of Bible translations is before the convention. He emphasized that the choice of a translation is not a doctrinal issue.

He asserted that a word-for-word translation is not possible from one language to another and that there is no perfect translation.

Three known reasons motivating the production of the New International Version 2011 (NIV11) were mentioned: Language changes, scholarship advances, and the mission of the Committee on Bible Translation (CBT), which demands that the translation utilize current and common language. Language has changed since the NIV84 was published. Wendland noted that every WELS congregation has the privilege of choosing the translation it wishes to use, but a translation decision is needed for Northwestern Publishing House. The Translation Evaluation Committee made the best use of the time available to them and did spend the most time working with the NIV2011. Gender inclusive language was a concern to the committee.

However the truth regarding male and female roles is clearly taught in NIV2011; it is not a feminist translation. Old Testament verses containing Messianic prophecy were carefully studied. Old Testament pronoun references to God are not capitalized, but that allows each reader to come to their own conclusions. Decision options available to the convention were outlined. In his closing remarks, President Wendland noted how humbling the work on this committee has been for him. He requested that although the matter is very emotional for many, the WELS be able to maintain the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace as translations are discussed. President Wendland was thanked for his presentation.

Did people laugh Wendland off the stage? Probably not. A translation is not doctrinal, but the Baptists always to after the sacramental passages and wipe them out. They turn the Great Commission, a Gospel admonition, into law - "Go make disciples."

Where is "communion with the body of Christ" in the NIV? Gone. Where is "baptism now saves you." Eliminated.

The classic NIV prepared WELS and Missouri to embrace the Church Growth Movement. The Ninevah - NNIV - will finish the job.

I remember when people scoffed at the Living Bible for inserting the author's own words into the text. Now the WELS Translation Commissars say that is the best way to translate.

Did Wendland mention the lesbian activist who helped with the classic NIV they love so much? I doubt it. Everyone must be overjoyed that the same philosophy will keep the NNIV from straying into political correctness.

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Even McCain, Missouri, and CPH are against the NNIV:

1. Major Evangelical Organization Says It Can Not Endorse NIV 2011
2. NIV 2011: Proceed With Caution
3. Updating the New International Version: Translator’s Notes [revealing the agenda driving this translation]
4. Why We Must Avoid Gender Neutrality Like the Plague
5. God Inspired Metaphors: Another Key Problem with NIV 2011
6. ESV v. NIV
7. Is the NIV Really Easier to Understand than the ESV?
8. Why Has The LCMS Adopted the ESV as Its Translation of Choice?

Litmus Test: Another Kind of Chemistry

Bethany could not talk, roll over, or crawl, but she understood everything.
Like many with neurological disorders, her biggest problems came from the coarse and ignorant, not from her condition.

I was on Facebook with some friends from Moline, including my best friend from comic book collecting days. The loss of a child came up, so I mentioned our daughters, adding, "You would be surprised how many people have lost a child."

My friend, who once lived two blocks away from my home, added, "I lost my son when he was only 17." Until that moment, I did not know about his loss.

Tomorrow and August 2nd mark two birthdays, the first one for Erin Joy, the second for Bethany Joan Marie. Birthdays and Christmas, Mother's Day and Father's Day, make us pause and think even more about their great love for so many people. Bethany had a nurse who was disciplined for loving her so much. Erin had a large fan club, including groupies who bought special clothes and toys for her, just because they wanted to give back to her. Erin had a mountain of toys we gave to others as they accumulated, and the best dresses any girl could want.

When a child develops a major health problem, there is not much mental energy left for coarse and ignorant people who pretend to know something. They leave an indelible bad impression on many who will never say anything. Those who lost someone early are more inclined to mark and avoid rather than be reminded of similar loutish boors from the past. One nurse said to us, "When she eats solid food she will be fine." That would cure a lot of disorders, except foot-in-the-mouth disease.

A pediatrician said, "I wanted to see if she was spoiled." He had this little experiment. I asked, "Have you read her file from the Cleveland Clinic?" I wanted to say, "Did you go to medical school?"

Long ago we decided that people that blind are not going to respond to facts, research, or common sense. The doctor in question had to be ordered by a local judge to spend time with his errant daughter. When a judge had to issue orders to a parent with a medical degree, the dysfunction is obviously at high-tide.

That is why the "conservative" pastors shock me by parading even worse behavior for thousands to observe. They are not content to ruminate privately with their drinking buddies, but proclaim what they are for everyone to see. Doubtless they learned pastoral care from the Kidnapper and Mob Organizer, C. F. W. Walther. He wrote a book on that. Everyone should buy Walther's Pastoral Care for laughs. When the children he kidnapped from his father's parsonage died in America, far from their legal guardians, did C. F. W. send a letter of condolence or just say, "They wanted to be kidnapped"?

We know how much Walther cared about the troubles he caused for Bishop Stephan's son, because Walther tricked the young man out of 80 acres of farmland bought with the bishop's own money. They were not even the son's legal right to give away.

The Syn Conference leaders today model their behavior after Walther's. I wonder if Pope John the Malefactor even paused to consider what he was doing to families whose breadwinner only had a worthless MDiv from the Little Schoolhouse on the Prairie. Did getting rid of pastors and congregations breathe new life into the ELS? Luther said in his sermon for this Sunday, "Moses wanted people pious or dead."

That is why I believe the visible church leadership is comprised of non-believers who know how to go through the motions, the same way I can join the Ohio State cheers without meaning a word.

I took this photo of Erin Joy and developed the print in my darkroom.

Identify the Author and His Job

McCain loves my Photoshops. He wrote that himself. He is no longer banned by the ALPB hall monitors.

"There were not many calls. There was one issues in absetntia and one issues to one woman who was at the service."

Let's see if he ever fixes it.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Identify the Author and His Job":

Taking a blind stab here -

Author: Father Paul McCain
Job: Heretic
Occasion: Preaching on the festival of St. Mary Magdalene as his mother, Jean McCain, was being called into the Pastoral Office by the Grace Lutheran Church in Leslie, MI. (LCMS).

Favorite pastime: Persecuting the Faithful.

Favorite Memory: Father John Neuhaus who left the Lutheran Church, denied Justification by faith alone, and died in the arms and confession of the Antichrist.

"He opened several doors for me while I served The LCMS President, making it possible for LCMS leadership to make direct contact with the Vatican, when ELCA leaders were intent on cutting us out of formal conversation with Rome."

"I felt Richard John brought to the Romanism he embraced a hearty and full measure of the joyful Gospel rediscovery of Martin Luther, for which I am grateful."

http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/01/08/a-grief-observed-richard-john-neuhaus-1936-2009/#comments

http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2009/11/lutheran-lcms-contra-catholic-rev-paul.html 

One of McCain's former friends is editor Herman Otten.


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GJ - Brett, you get an A for accuracy and a B for brevity. I was looked for: "Paul McCain. CPH Editor and spare room blogger."

McCain told SP Al Barry that Otten refused to meet with the LCMS leader. That was not true. Anyone who knows Otten realizes that he will meet with anyone. After all, Otten met with Kieschnick before the Texan became SP. Otten worked feverishly and secretly with McCain to get Barry elected.

I always wondered why Barry did not get in the staff limo and have his Iago drive him to New Haven, Missouri, 100 miles away. As Luther says in the sermon for this week (Lenker set), the world is ruled by rage and shunning. Barry embraced and mollified the Left in Missouri, but turned his back on the people who elected him.

Kudu Don Patterson and the Cone of Uncertainty

Wednesday, July 27, 2011

Don and the Cone of Uncertainty

Central Texas has been at the mercy of a dome of high pressure this summer; suppressing any chance for the development of rain.  The scenario self-perpetuates itself by intense heating during the day that the rising ground temperatures feed the atmospheric heating therefore feeding the upper level high and exacerbating the situation further.  Experts say that a strong storm off the Gulf of Mexico would help to break down the pattern and provide some relief to the intense drought...as unfortunate as that might be with the inevitable destruction that comes with these storms.  As of this evening, Austin and much of the area is in the 'cone of uncertainty' and is hopeful...prayerful that we will see some relief.

According to the Holy Word Website, a Voter's Meeting has been set for Sunday, August 28th, 2011.

May the Good Lord provide relief.

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GJ - Those pastors who teach justification by faith do not need bunny rabbits in their ads to promote Easter services.

He Promotes the NNIV for the KJV's 400th, So He Will Promote the Reformation's 500th? Hahahahahaha!

"I would rather have Larry Olson chair the committee. Seriously."

"Rev. John Braun, chairman of the Reformation 500 committee that was appointed by the COP in 2009, shared what plans are being put into place to celebrate the 500th anniversary of the Reformation in 2017. Some of these plans include area Reformation rallies, a celebratory book of essays, a new video on the life of Martin Luther, as well as a series of Bible studies and special services."

ALPB Online Forum

Pharisaical Piety on Display

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The most egregious application of the unit concept I have ever experienced was after my father's funeral.   Dad was Missourian, and Mom WELS.  They were members of an LCMS parish and baptized (and catechized some)  their first six kids in their LCMS parish.  Mom transferred to a WELS parish before the SC split, but dad was not big on attending church, only for funerals and weddings.

When dad died in 1981, we approached our WELS pastor about burying him from the funeral home, but he said no, so my aunt's LCMS pastor agreed to it (her parish was where dad last held membership) and buried him.  The WELS pastor attended the funeral, and admonished me (at the after funeral luncheon) for our participation in the prayers, hymns and service.   I had to ask him to back off and leave Ma' alone..

Romantic Comic Left Behind by ELS Observer

Ukraine Heretic Speaking at WELS Convention

Slide from the Ukraine - "Without WELS, the Word would not be as effective."

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GJ - I was watching and thought, "I'll bet John Shep is going to phone me." A short time ago, John Shep phoned and said, "You probably thought I was going to phone you."

He had some questions for your evening discussion:

1. Is the ULC bishop still on the payroll of Lutheran Heritage, a Missouri RSO?
2. Does the bishop have a 6,000 square foot home?
3. If the ministers are without shoes and clothing, why are they wearing them in photos and vacationing in Italy?

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Ukraine Heretic Speaking at WELS Convention":

The second and third questions seem to explain, "Without WELS, the Word would not be as effective"

The laity are getting a good shellacking during this convention! If WELS had a dollar for every compliment given to the incompetent Bible selection committee they'd be debt free - doctrinally broke mind you - but debt free.

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GJ - The compliments were really the standard way of getting into criticism. One must start, hat-in-hand, pleading ignorance, speaking in a halting voice, and denying any possible negative inference from what is coming. The only one who did not do that was their lone supporter, who launched into his confused defense of the NNIV.

So the compliments were just a prelude to the real content. I heard voices cracking with emotion, although quietly expressed, which told me how enraged they were. Naumann was one example.

Two DPs spoke against adopting the NNIV now, which was the sole agenda item of the Changers Translation Commissars.

By far, the strongest speech was DP Glaeske's "Slouching Toward Gomorrah" comparison. If examined closed, it was brutal, especially coming from a senior DP. He made the cultural comparison, that the NNIV was aimed our current culture, then moved to the book by Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork - Slouching Toward Gomorrah.

Babylon would be negative enough for WELS, but Sodom and Gomorrah represent the absolute pit of immorality in the Old and New Testaments. Look up the passages in your NIV, gentle readers.

DP Glaeske asked whether WELS wanted to go down that road and whether WELS would be stranded there. The sect made a grave mistake in adopting the NIV and persecuting/abandoning the KJV. Those who practice BOHICA get BOHICA in return. Billionaire Left Murdoch owns the NIV and calls the tune.

God's judgment will be measured out upon WELS in the coming years. Look at the sound theologians forgotten and excluded. Count up the crimes of the church workers against the members - often unpunished and glossed over. Read the putrid false doctrine being promoted at every teaching node of the sect.

Brett Meyer Reveals Why the Commissars Love, Love, Love the NNIV

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "WELS Discussion Overwhelmingly Against NNIV. Trans...":

AC V correctly posted this issue with the 2011 NIV earlier:

NNIV Romans 3:23,24:

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Italicized "all" is not in the original Greek. Yet the "ad fontes" WELS endorses the NNIV. In fact, the committee commending the NNIV to the synod in convention this summer highlights these verses as an improvement of the NIV.

(W)ELS Pastor Patterson will welcome this perversion of God's Word, having just excommunicated Joe and Lisa Krohn for holding to Justification by faith alone to the exclusion of forgiveness and righteousness declared by God to those without faith. They've taught the false gospel of UOJ for years, Kuske having adulterated Luther's Catechism in order to insert the anti-Christian doctrine into the section on Justification. Now they have a chance to officially use a Bible that finally teaches the doctrine.

Are they kidding?!? At least concerning the central doctrine of Justification a person could read the KJV, or even the troubled '84 NIV, and only come away, by the gracious work of the Holy Spirit, with Justification by faith in Christ alone. The KJV and NIV required the manipulated explanation of a trained UOJ false teacher to hear and believe in the false gospel. Now a small child will come away with Justification before and without faith on his own - no further Scriptural manipulation required.

Posting these verses again because they ought to ring in the ears of the Lutheran laity, clergy and synod officials.

Revelation 22:18-19, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Communication by Excommunication: WELS Apostates Sell the Latest Edsel

"This beat-down is for your own immortal soul."

The abusive Leftist sect showed its true colors yesterday. While people were hailing the re-election of their non-leader Mark Schroeder, the Biblical Porn Committee was at work.

First, let's discuss the issue by having its chief advocate, Wendland, give a solo performance on how good the NNIV is. Wendland did that in the afternoon, repeating his district convention performance.

I did not look over the agenda. Did someone get equal time to point out the glaring faults of the NNIV? I doubt it.

The whole idea of Diaprax is to allow people plenty of time to discuss what has already been decided for them. Then it becomes their decision. They join in turning against anyone who doubts the wisdom of the dramatic change.

How much friendship was offered to those who continued to plea for the KJV, when Judas Jeske led WELS to the NIV? Those KJV pastors were excommunicated, thrown out. Yet WELS bragged about using the KJV beforehand, pointing out how those nasty Commie liberals switched to modern translations.

Someone pointed out how the KJV was printed on one side of the lectionary inserts, the NIV on the other side, for a period of time. The alternative was offered, then taken away. That is a good example of hypocrisy, where the KJV is printed to lead people away from it.

The KJV is Luther's English Bible, enjoying its 400th anniversary this year, but it is really almost 500 years old. Tyndale studied under Luther and Melanchthon at Wittenberg, printed his first English Bible in Germany, and suffered a martyr's death for the Bible. WELS chooses to remain ignorant of those facts as they lust for the NNIV.

The WELS translation commissars tried this fable on their audience - The Southern Baptist convention voted against the NNIV because they wanted to sell their own Holman Christian Standard Bible.

No, the Baptists have kept the KJV alive while the Lutherans chased after Baptist mentors like Doug Moo, Ed Stetzer and C. Peter Wagner. I question whether the Holman's leaden prose will catch on anywhere. Read the 23rd Psalm in the Holman on Bible Gateway. They must have thrown darts at sheet of words to come up with such horrible phrasing.

The Baptists are rather independent, too. They are not pulled along, like sows with iron rings in their snouts. Lutherans seem to conform for a long time, but they break out on their own too. No one knows where the breaking point is.

Knocking the Baptists over money is the laugh of the week. The only argument for the NNIV is the money issue. Billionaire Murdoch will shut down the old NIV in two years, so all the WELS NIV works will have to stop too. They want an easy transition into the wretched NNIV and saving money at that. In fact, they could switch to another translation tomorrow if they wished.

Get this, innocent readers - WELS is paying to use the NIV, so WELS is part of Murdoch's cash-flow. WELS will pay for any modern translation it uses in its materials. However, since Bibles sell well and keep changing every few weeks, any change is profitable, because high sales mean every Bible sold is pure profit.

WELS scheduled one hour for the translation commissars to bat down opposition to the NNIV. The discussion lasted about two hours, revealing the transparent excuses thrown out for the NNIV being adopted.

The pathetic translation commissars referred adoringly to Douglas Moo, Wheaton College professor. His job is to promote the NNIV, so his approval is self-serving and money grubbing as well. He has long been an advocate of radical paraphrase "translations."

Those who participate in these commercial ventures get all kinds of financial rewards for them. Like Jeske, they get free trips and other benefits. They are not going to list them, but the incentives are there.

If I could get an entire denomination, even a dying one like WELS, to endorse a constant-selling book of any kind, the cash spent to land a client like that would be coffee money.

The NNIV will be a big hit in the mainlines. The WELS endorsement is more evidence that WELS has been mainline, apostate, for decades.

Fuller alumnus and WELS VP Huebner sold Edsels before.
Look for the union label.

WELS Discussion Overwhelmingly Against NNIV. Translation Committee Isolated in Support of Mytho-Porno Atrocious NNIV

WELS Seminary President Wendland
Wendland's speech in the afternoon session in favor of the NNIV was identical to his presentation at the district convention. His most important quote? "I realize that we're living in a different age, with blogs, and people may be skeptical of a committee's work..." Some recognized the pointed reference to either Intrepids or Ichabod.


Seminary professor John Jeske was the Judas goat who led WELS into the NIV as its only translation. Anyone advocating the KJV was excommunicated as a pastor.

Son Tom Jeske was moderating the discussion tonight. Another son, Mark and Avoid Jeske, was probably busy dedicating a Buddhist temple, built by Thrivent, in some wealthy suburb.

Brett Meyer let me know the discussion was live, so I tuned in. The translation review committee spoke all evening in favor of the NNIV, but the audience was not buying the sales pitch. I did not hear any support from the floor for the NNIV until the end, when one pastoral supporter gave a disjointed speech in favor of the NNIV. I believe another man said that any decision would be a blessing.

Members of the Committee to Force the NNIV on WELS are:

1. Sausage Factory President Paul Wendland - eager to provide a smokescreen for any issue.
   
2. Doctrinal Pussycat Joel Peterman - looked like he wore his hunting or fishing outfit.
   
3. Miscommunication Officer John Braun - clearly scornful that anyone would disagree with him.
   
4. Professor of Human Sacrifice and World Missions Kenneth Cherney Jr.
   
5. Mary Lou College Professor Thomas Nass

Stop whining. You love these jokes on Ichabod. Everyone else has to be deadly serious.
Some of the defenses of the NNIV were:
1. There are no perfect translations.
2. The committee is against literal translations (but obviously in favor of Leftist paraphrases).
3. This generation must sacrifice to provide a translation for the next generation. (This was an argument for the Shrinkers' Christian Worship feminist hymnal.)
4. Anyone with a heart for outreach will support the NNIV.
5. God works His wonders through really horrible translations.
6. The Baptists are against the NNIV because it competes with their Holman.
7. The NNIV improves on the NIV in some passages. 8. McCain should not have criticized WELS for promoting the NNIV.

The audience was clearly opposed to the NNIV, for the following reasons:
1. The NNIV is divisive, so NPH will not sell many books with NNIV in them.
2. Christian bookstores are boycotting the NNIV at about a 50% rate. The owner of one told the pastor that she would not display the NNIV, only special order it if someone wanted one.
3. The addition of words was truly odious, such as adding "or sister" to references to "brother."
4. The plural pronoun is used to avoid offending the feminazis.
5. The OT prophecies are altered in favor of the scoffers.
6. There is no rush to decide now on a translation.
7. WELS could create its own version (extremely unlikely since they needed Dr. Moo to help them pick a translation). Moo chairs the ecumenical group producing the NNIV, so that was like asking Valleskey to "study" the issue of promoting the Church Growth Movement, something ol' Dave gave his life and flinty soul to do.


Silent or avoiding these issues:
1. The KJV is enjoying its 400th anniversary THIS YEAR, but was hardly mentioned at all.
2. The NIV used a lesbian advocate on its original commission.
3. The NNIV is porno, Genesis 4:1, takes a mythological view of Adam, and deletes verses of the New Testament.
4. WELS let the apostates rule in the previous decision and now thinks in terms of money for the NIV decision.
5. Ichabod - although blogs were mentioned.

Wikipedia

Douglas J. Moo (born March 15, 1950 ^[1]) is a New Testament scholar who, after teaching for more than twenty years at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Illinois, has served as Blanchard Professor of New Testament at the Wheaton College Graduate School since 2000. He received his Ph.D. at the University of St. Andrews, in St. Andrews, Scotland.
He has published several theological works and commentaries on the Bible; notable among them are An Introduction to the New Testament (with D.A. Carson and Leon Morris) and A Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans (part of the New International Commentary on the New Testament series). His current research interests are Romans, Pauline Theology (and Exegesis) and Environmental Theology. He is also on the translation committee that produced the TNIV translation of the Bible and is a strong advocate for this translation.


WELS Adds To Its Sins 

Jim Becker Has a Suggestion 

WELS the Cutting Edge of Dumbing Down 

Ray Klatt on Translations 

WELS Church Lady on NNIV in Texas 

AC V on Grabbing St. Paul by the Shoulders and Teaching Him Justification without Faith 

Zorro on Pushing the NNIV Through...Fast

California Seconds Ray Klatt: The Main Issue - The Bible 

Southern Babtists Utterly Reject the NNIV 

Luther's Bible is the uncle of the KJV. 

Wikipedia Knows More than Mequon.

WELS editor Braun Unglued Over NNIV Objections.

The practicing lesbian on the NIV committee.

South Central District, WELS, against deciding in 2011.

The Process for Getting Rid of the KJV and Installing the NIV.

Even Paul McCain is against the NNIV. Shock!

Criminal Charges against Murdoch 

More about Bad Fathers and Bad Sons, Like Murdoch and Son 

The United Church of Christ and Feminazi Language 

WELS, McCain, and Otten Backing the Wrong Bible 

The Spirit of New Biblism - While Ignoring the 400th Anniversary of Luther's English Bible 

To Be Used at the WELS Convention - Lovin' It 

Tyndale enrolled at Wittenberg to study under Luther and Melanchthon. 

WELS Convention discussion against the NNIV. 

The English Luther Bible:

The July 18th issue of Christian News has an article about translations by WELS Pastor Mark Bartling.

He made an interesting point that will be ignored by all the Lutherans.

Bartling:

"William Tyndale (1490-1536) translated the New Testament into English from Greek. He also used Luther's German translation. In fact, Tyndale personally consulted Luther and enrolled at the University of Wittenberg in order to spend an academic year learning from Luther and his colleague Melanchthon. The first edition of Tyndale's English New Testament was published in 1526. Because it could not be pbulished in England, it was printed in Worms, Germany, a situation made possible because of Tyndale's close relationship with Luther.

In 1535 he published parts of the Old Testament translated from Hebrew. In 1536 Tyndale was captured and burned at the stake."

He noted that experts estimate that the King James Version of the Bible is 80% Tyndale.

Previously, all Lutheran hymnals in America used the KJV. Now every single sect uses a different translation.

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Facts about the CBT (Moo's Herd)

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Brett Meyer's Report on the Discussion

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "WELS Discussion Overwhelming Against NNIV. Transla...":

While watching the Convention discussion on the NNIV tonight I noticed that as each person detailed what they felt were unacceptable problems with the edition the Translation Committee members would remind everyone of the number of improvements that the translation contained over the '84 NIV. What exactly is accomplished by countering a translation problem with a fix to a problem in the previous edition? Most people commenting tonight gave direct examples where the NNIV translation changed the meaning of specific Scripture passages, God's Word.

Christ clearly states the issue is not a matter of offsetting the known problems.
Revelation 22:18-19, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

One man explained how he is seeing a slouching or tenting (a reference to Lot) to Gomorrah with the continued adoption of translations which are as bad or worse than the last. There's no argument there. The words and phrasing may be difficult to understand for those new to the KJV but at least they didn't pervert and outright change God's Word as in the NIV and NNIV. There were a few people who expressed the perverse opinion that it didn't matter how bad a translation the (W)ELS adopts, God will work His will through any translation to make disciples for Christ. Really? It was interesting that Neal Schroeder, the WELS president's brother, expressed the same opinion at the 2011 Emmaus Conference. During the Q&A session he posed the opinion that the Lutheran confession, that we need to ensure the Word is purely taught and Sacraments rightly distributed, is not true. He said he's coming to the opinion that God also works through the Word wrongly taught. Seems this idea is starting to catch on.

To add to Pastor Jackson's list:

One man admitted his opinion that God made a sexist remark when He said "sons" when the context indicated He was including women. (Nobody corrected him.)
In defense of adopting the NNIV, John Braun said with pride that Dr. Moo even approved of the (W)ELS Translation Committees work! (that's a good thing?)
Another layman acknowledged that there were problems with the NNIV but translations will continue to evolve and change. (Just as Christ intended - His Word would evolve and change)
The disjointed pro-NNIV commenter stated that it took way to long to read the KJV but liked how he could read through a whole book of the Bible real fast with the NIV. (Apparently speed is essential)

WLS President Wendland was working the mike, smoothly setting up alternatives to the NNIV adoption so that moments later he could crush the idea as any viable option. John Braun was also active in promoting the NNIV and using the monetary impact to NPH of a delayed adoption by the (W)ELS to further his agenda. Of them all he was the most irritated at the opposition voiced from the floor of the convention. His ties with NPH and the money involved may be enough for the (W)ELS to adopt this heinous Bible translation. Then again, sometimes people get exactly what they asked for.

WELS Favorite Church Also Adopted Early Feminazi Bible Translation. This Is the Next Step

Willow Creek Succumbs To Political Correctness And Splits With Exodus International

Is Willow Creek Community Church more interested in being liked by the world than loving their brothers and sisters in Christ? This may explain their recent split with Exodus International, a group that ministers to homosexuals. From the Christian Post:

Willow Creek Community Church is no longer an affiliate of Exodus International, ending a relationship that spanned across several decades.

Willow Creek spokespersons say they just wanted to rethink the South Barrington megachurch’s affiliations, but Christianity Today reports that Exodus President Alan Chambers believes the church split from his organization to avoid public criticism.
“The choice to end our partnership is definitely something that shines a light on a disappointing trend within parts of the Christian community,” Chambers told the publication, “which is that there are Christians who believe like one another who aren’t willing to stand with one another, simply because they’re afraid of the backlash people will direct their way if they are seen with somebody who might not be politically correct.”

Exodus International is the world’s largest ministry specifically addressing the issue of homosexuality. The organization holds that “Christ offers a healing alternative to those with homosexual tendencies.”

Chambers also said that he sympathizes with organizations that have to deal with political, social, and financial backlash, but says that is just a part of carrying an unpopular Christian message.

“Biblical truth is unpopular, and when you’re supporting unpopular truth, you are unpopular too,” he said.

Reports of the church’s separation from the organization are coming out about two years after the decision was actually made back in 2009. Word of the change surfaced just last month, but prior to that, Willow Creek and Exodus partnered together to reach those in the Chicago-area beginning in the late 1980s.

Exodus previously provided “equipping events” to the church, preparing leaders to minister to those dealing with “unwanted same-sex attractions.” The organization also referred people to Willow Creek’s “A Safe Place” and “Someone I Love” ministries.

Susan DeLay, a spokesperson for the church, emailed The Christian Post about the split, saying, “There really isn’t a story.”

She also sent a statement from Scott Vaudrey, the church’s director of pastoral care and leader of its elder response team, who said, “It is true that Willow Creek discontinued its formal relationship with Exodus. In making this move, we were not making a social or political statement. We were simply in a season of reviewing and clarifying some of our affiliations with outside organizations.”

Only Beggars - Banned in Watertown

http://www.livestream.com/welslive/ -- Shared using Google Toolbar 

Hi Pastor GJ, check out the convention comments in the right margin. Onlybeggars says that Zondervan=Rupert Murdoch, so now onlybeggars has been banned by welslive from future comments.

http://www.livestream.com/welslive/ -- Shared using Google Toolbar there is an Icha-trepid conversation going on. Doug Lindee aka Freddy Finklestein is our hero. I left two comments.

Wendland's Advice Unheeded: 600,000 Page-Reads Since June, 2010,Over 3,000 Page-Reads Already Today.

WELS should heed the advice of Henry Eyster Jacobs,
not the hypocritical warnings of Wendland, Mequon beehive manager.

I was going to post early about the WELS convention being another Methodist gathering, feasting on its old memories, comatose about doctrine, grabbing for signs of hope.

I went to a Methodist gathering 25 years ago because they invited me by mail. Nevertheless, they were surprised to have a visitor and not exactly welcoming. I had lunch with two of the conservatives (Pentecostal types). I thought this exchange was illuminating.

"Did you see the new District Superintendent's column on prayer?" (A DS is a district president - with even less spine.)

"Yes I did."

"That was encouraging. She might work out well."

I was going to post that conversation and use my Dephic Oracle graphic afterwards, when parsons found signs of hope in a given event or election.

WELS started with UOJ. The Kokomo Statements are a "caricature of WELS on justification", a caricature taken almost verbatim from Meyer's Ministers of Christ, which WELS just reprinted this year.

John Braun's Brain Lies A-Moldering in the Grave

Zwingli says the Holy Spirit needs no vehicle, like an oxcart, but UOJ Stormtroopers need a vehicle.
A luxury car is their first choice.

John Braun is stumbling through an address right now. Ineptitude makes everyone say, "I could read a script better than that." Sorrow and pity make them forget that he is delivering more poison.

Once again, he delivered the UOJ message, with some slides, so no one misses the point.

Braun tried to say no one else teaches UOJ, but the Big Four all teach forgiveness without faith, universal absolution, universal salvation. ELCA is no different from WELS in that regard. That is why they work together so well. Ditto the Little Sect on the Prairie (more UOJ) and Missouri (with statues and shrines for the UOJ Kidnapper, Walther).

But I am not yet done. I have read from the Holy of Holies, the WELS Essay Files. (Pause for everyone say, "I am so thankful for being in WELS.') But I have also read hundreds of modern theology books, guided by students of Barth and Tillich.

The mainline churches--the ones behind the Gay Communist National Council of Churches (New RSV, too) and also behind the Stalinist World Council of Churches and Geneva world federations--they all teach UOJ too.

My researchers used to ask, "Where did UOJ go after Knapp taught it at Halle University?" The answer is - "It went mainline."

Sorry, Braun, but grace is not defined as forgiveness without faith. That is the definition of Universalism. First of all, Braun knows nothing about theology or obfuscates without shame. Secondly, he cannot teach the Gospel of the Bible. Instead, he parades the apostasy of all mainline groups as the distinct and precious doctrine of WELS alone.

Church and Change will clap him on the back with a hearty "Attaboy."

SP Schroeder will encourage him, because Mark is in the same mode of thinking, sorry to say. Schroeder's pal Jenswold had the congregation reciting UOJ with him during the sermon.

Buchholz is supposed to be the only reforming DP. He is also a UOJ fanatic, so how can he even address the errors of Change and Change? Naturally, he has not done anything more than posture.

Here is the Gospel in a Few Simple Steps.

WELS cannot teach this Gospel because the Pietists cannot accept the efficacy of the Word alone in the Means of Grace.

NNIV Vote Today - Watch Diaprax at Work

The KJV is 80% Tyndale, and Tyndale enrolled at Wittenberg to study under Luther and Melanchthon.
Tyndale modeled his translation after Luther's.

Convention gawkers will have a chance to see Diaprax at work today. Church Mouse offered some valuable insights about Diaprax, and California added her own experiences from seeing it in WELS many decades ago. She knew the Valleskey, Kelm, Stadler bunch when they were young and foolish.

Diaprax is a process to get people to vote for and go along with whatever the manipulators wanted in the first place.

This is how it will work today. There are only two choices with the NNIV. One is to approve it. The Wisconsin Sect structure, filled with useful idiots, is already behind it 100%, heavily promoting it through the media and the Net (gasp! - does Wendland know?).

If Schroeder has shown any leadership on the issue, I missed it. Another Al Barry, he will continue to pose as a conservative while enabling and rewarding the apostates.

The second choice--the only alternative--is to delay the decision another two years. That comes from Team Patterson, so it smells like skunk cabbage on a humid day. If the convention votes to delay, WELS will have two years to pound everyone into submission. More likely, they will have no trouble passing it the second time around. With Diaprax, people are allowed to howl and moan in a safe situation, without voting. Given a second chance, they go along with the decision.

The third choice will not come up - to repudiate the NNIV now and decide on a KJV edition. That should strike people as ironic, because the Babtists hate the NNIV so much that they voted not to allow sales in their own bookstores. They hate the NNIV and love the KJV, which is really Luther's Bible in English.

The non-Lutherans have kept Luther's Bible in English alive. There are many choices, from the old update of the KJV (around 1800) to the New KJV, Modern KJV, KJV II, and KJV 21st Century. All this talk about a "Lutheran" Bible is silly because a Luther Bible already exists.

The New KJV has a bit of a Babtist tint, because they are behind it. As far as I know, the KJV 21 is the most faithful because only a few words are changed. "Our conversation is in heaven" really means "Our citizenship is in heaven." English has changed, but not so much that:

1. Adam is a myth - NNIV.
   
2. Genesis 4:1 is soft-core porn.
   

Beck was going to be a Lutheran Bible. And there is an Anderson Bible, if memory serves. Then Beck had to be revised and revised all over again. The so-called conservative Lutherans are so busy selling their non-Lutheran Bibles that they should call themselves Babel for confusing the tongues.

What used to be part of our language is now split up into so many versions that people carry around multiple translation editions, which also sell well.

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bored said...

well, yeah. Baptists. Sorry to say, but I'm more apt to invest time in a group of people who are genuinely and culturally mistaken than people (WELS) who purposefully alter Scripture to fit their agenda. Baptist theology may not be any less wrong, but I think the Holy Spirit hardens the hearts of those who purposefully amend and alter the Truth. That is to say, I'd rather talk to Baptists (who read a True Scripture) about Orthodoxy than trying to converse with a WELSian whose Scripture changes with the wind.

The Baptists have a *load* of false doctrine in their Confession, but they still seem to be driven by a preEnlightenment train of thought--a mindset that approaches God with humility

The WELS, on the other hand, is quite postmodern in its doctrine of Justification. They claim all are justified when Christ arose but not really justified at all until a person has faith. UOJ exists, I'm beginning to think, so that pastors can say anything to anyone, diapraxing heathens into faith. So we should not be surprised when the WELS votes to ratify the NIV 2011, which also typifies the postmodern approach toward language.

Out of all the errorists in the WELS, I think half, with a total lack of humility, think of God as a trick miniature pony who can be directed according to the machinations of The Church. The other half of WELS' errorists are like the "artist" who befouls a canvas, then writes a poem about the glory of his own human ingenuity--reveling in himself, not as a means to an end, but as an end itself.

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AC V has left a new comment on your post "NNIV Vote Today - Watch Diaprax at Work":

"...who befouls a canvas..."

um, yeah.

Anyhoo, can't go along with you on the Babtists bein' better than WELS. At least the official confessions of WELS holds to the efficacy of the Means of Grace. In WELS practice maybe not so much, but at least we've got a touchstone on paper to get our bearings.

Lutherdom's Most Wanted Links

C. F. W. Walther kidnapped his niece and nephew from the parsonage of his father, hid them from the police, and left for America early, to escape police warrants for his arrest. The children followed in a later boat, hidden for a time by his lawyers and his future mother-in-law. They died in America.



The sordid truth behind the Walther myth.

Walther Only Kidnapped Two! Children.

Walther, Pietist and Head Case.

Walther Family Felons.

Walther the Mob Leader and Robber.

The Criminal Foundation of the Synodical Conference. 

Walther Sainthood Project.

The Watertown WELS Convention Is a Short Drive from the Mother Church

The church was featured in the Northwestern Lutheran. Remember that name?

rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Great Audience at Historic St. John Lutheran Churc...":

It was a wonderful recital. We sat toward the front, on the pulpit side. Pastor Hastings spent a considerable amount of time talking with those who were curious about the history of St. John's. I found out that he has been there 25 years now. All of us had the opportunity to see how well kept this beautiful church is. They certainly are not made like this anymore. The acoustics were very good. The altar is still in very good condition. We spoke with some members after the recital. They were grateful that we had attended and we were invited to the regular 10 AM Sunday worship. I am looking forward to returning.

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GJ - Hundreds of WELS members and pastors are near the Mother Church of WELS - Historic St. John Lutheran in downtown Milwaukee. They should take a trip to their mother church - St. John.

St. John is the congregation of Bading and Brenner, certainly two of the patriarchs of WELS. Another patriarch - Gausewitz - was at Grace, Milwaukee, but he is deliberately forgotten in the synod and not even on Huebner's website (as far as I could tell). Too bad Gausewitz did not go to Fuller or Gordon Conwell Babtist Seminary.

St. John should be used throughout the year by WELS. All the seminarians should be trained in its history. As I have learned from growing up in Moline, Illinois, home of John Deere, our history shapes us far more than we realize. Learning my own history has given me a new appreciation for that river town.

Many large group events could take place at St. John. I doubt that the DP will ever swallow his pride, repent, and apologize to the congregation. This is true of evil, devious men - they work overtime at justifying their sins, turning their wrongs into virtues, or making their victims out to be horrible monsters.

As Randall Schulz has explained - Pastor Kevin Hastings and the congregation have patiently taken care of that tremendous building and pipe organ. The federal government and Milwaukee have recognized it as a gem of history. Why not get to know it and appreciate it?

I suggest that friends of St. John Lutheran Church help in the upkeep and repair of the organ. Send regular donations to the church to show your support.