Monday, December 6, 2010

Let's Get Groupy:
WELS Involved in Ecumenical Center, UWM



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(W)ELS

Lastly, we promised to Believe in Our Future. And to do so, we continue to engage with individuals from all walks of life in our mission of bringing them together for a common cause. We are engaging the community to partner with us in developing our students into strong individuals, morally equipped to live in the increasingly globalized world, while, in turn, we continue to challenge our students that they themselves believe in that blessed future.

So, in the end, it truly is a new day at the Ecumenical Center. And I would like to use this opportunity to thank you—and all others—who have, in big and small ways, helped move us forward toward assuring a sustainable future for the ecumenical vision that was born over 40 years ago.


Midweek Moment of Prayer is a weekly Protestant service

Catholic Mass is held each Sunday

In the Path of the Buddha is a weekly meditation and discussion session

Make It So is a discussion-based program focusing on the moral and ethical dilemmas confronted by the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise in “Star Trek: The Next
Generation.”

Small Catholic Communities are weekly, men’s and women’s, group discussions

Faculty & Staff Ecumenical Dialogue Meeting

Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ELCA) Pastors Meeting

Christ Living Among
Students (CLAS) is a
Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran
Synod (WELS) student group.


Fox Valley Friends (Quakers) is a religious movement best known for its peacefulness and social activism, having been instrumental in rights of slaves, women, prisoners, and homosexuals.

Lena Mennonites is a group of Christian Anabaptists

Eckankar – “soul’s whole purpose in this world is to find divine love”

Latter-day Saints Student Association is a club to help UWGB community

etc.

etc..

etc...

http://www.ecuwgb.org/documents/EC_Newsletter0912-small.pdf

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LutherRocks said...

Looks like a pretty ripe harvest field to me...what are you inferring? Maybe I'm having a dense Monday....

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GJ - The ancients had a saying, "Even good Homer nods," although nothing was said about Mondays.

The problem, revealed by quotations posted by Brett below, is this - Working with other religions and denominations creates doctrinal indifference. Or alternately, indifference creates unionism.

A denomination has hit bottom when it brags about working with various pagan religions and cults, placing itself on par with every possible attack against the clear, plain message of the Word of God. Pan-religious cooperation was earlier the hallmark of the LCA, but WELS and Missouri enjoy the same freedom from religion.

Cooperation with paganism is the last gasp of Pietism. LCMS DP David Benke confessed that he was not even invited to be in the Yankee Stadium pan-religious fest. They had to find a chair for him and invent a place on the hellish program. Some elements of WELS and Missouri feigned shock at the time, but the WELS student effort at UWM does exactly the same thing and brags about it.

Relgious work with pagans is offensive to all Christians, so this is not the Gospel at work, as WELS might pretend, but apostasy in high gear.

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ec·u·men·i·cal   /ˈɛkyʊˈmɛnɪkəl or, especially Brit., ˈikyʊ-/ Show Spelled
[ek-yoo-men-i-kuhl or, especially Brit., ee-kyoo-] Show IPA

–adjective
1. general; universal.
2. pertaining to the whole Christian church.
3. promoting or fostering Christian unity throughout the world.
4. of or pertaining to a movement (ecumenical movement), esp. among Protestant groups since the 1800s, aimed at achieving universal Christian unity and church union through international interdenominational organizations that cooperate on matters of mutual concern.
5. interreligious or interdenominational: an ecumenical marriage.
6. including or containing a mixture of diverse elements or styles; mixed: an ecumenical meal of German, Italian, and Chinese dishes.

Ecumenism is the same as Unionism and is not Christian and thus neither is it Lutheran. It is a rejection of Christ, His Word. It is also an effort supported and promoted by Satan and his New Age Emergent religion.

"Therefore, do not speak to me of love or friendship when anything is to be detracted from the Word or the faith; for we are told that not love but the Word brings eternal life, God's grace, and all heavenly treasures." 19 " In matters concerning faith we must be invincible, unbending, and very stubborn; indeed, if possible, harder than adamant. But in matters concerning love we should be softer and more pliant than any reed and leaf and should gladly accommodate ourselves to everything." 20 "Doctrine is our only light. It alone enlightens and directs us and shows us the way to heaven. If it is shaken in one quarter (in una parte), it will necessarily be shaken in its entirety (in totum). Where that happens, love cannot help us at all." 21 " But this tender mercy is to be exercised only toward Christians and among Christians, for toward those who reject and persecute the Gospel we must act differently; here I am not permitted to let my love be merciful so as to tolerate and endure false doctrine. When faith and doctrine are concerned and endangered, neither love nor patience are in order. Then it is my duty to contend in earnest and not to yield a hairbreadth." What Luther Says, II, 637f.

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"Doctrinal indifference is at once the root of unionism and its fruit. Whoever accepts, in theory as well as in practice, the absolute authority of the Scriptures and their unambiguousness with reference to all fundamental doctrines, must be opposed to every form of unionism."
M. Reu, In the Interest of Lutheran Unity, Columbus: The Lutheran Book Concern, 1940, p. 20.

"We find this attitude of tolerance quite frequently among unionists. It is often used to assuage a troubled conscience, one's own as well as that of others; for the unionist declares that every one may continue to hold his own private convictions and merely needs to respect and tolerate those of another. This attitude is totally wrong, for it disregards two important factors: (a) in tolerating divergent doctrines one either denies the perspicuity and clarity of the Scriptures, or one grants to error the right to exist alongside of truth, or one evidences indifference over against Biblical truth by surrendering its absolute validity; and (b) in allowing two opposite views concerning one doctrine to exist side by side, one has entered upon an inclined plane which of necessity leads ever further into complete doctrinal indifference, as may plainly be seen from the most calamitous case on record, viz., the Prussian Union."
M. Reu, In the Interest of Lutheran Unity, Columbus: The Lutheran Book Concern, 1940, p. 20.

"Unionism is characterized by these marks: It fails to confess the whole truth of the divine Word; it fails to reject and denounce every opposing error; it assigns error equal right with truth and creates the impression of church fellowship and of unity of faith where they do not exist." (Wisconsin Synod, Prayer Fellowship, Tract No. 10, 1954)
Francis Pieper, The Difference Between Orthodox And Heterodox Churches, and Supplement, Coos Bay, Oregon: St. Paul's Lutheran Church, 1981, p. 64.

These quotes were kelmed from Ichabod over many years.

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GJ - Tim Blende condemns me for quoting Reu on this topic. Do ya suppose it has something to do with his slavish plagiarism of Groeschel?

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GJ - I rely on Mr. Bose. He plays every note, never complains, and never gives me grief over hymn selection.

Mr. Bose is happy to play Lutheran chorales.

Sometimes God Says "Hey!" - BOREmeister Ski.
Shares Old WELS Church with Christ the Rock Community Church for Sunday Services

The BORE holds its weekly worship service at 5:30 p.m. Sundays at OuterEdge in downtown Appleton. (Post-Crescent photo by Ron Page)


Read more: http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20101206/APC04/101203116/The-Core-s-use-of-OuterEdge-reflects-a-shift-in-how-the-facility-is-being-used#ixzz17LJc9Hd6


When Ben and Lyssa King turned the former Mount Olive Evangelical Lutheran Church into an entertainment venue, which opened in late June, they had no idea what it might become. They’re still not quite sure.

Read more: http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20101206/APC04/101203116/The-Core-s-use-of-OuterEdge-reflects-a-shift-in-how-the-facility-is-being-used#ixzz17LJXlYsc

“Even though our business plan is changing,” Lyssa King said, “we’re glad we put what we did into the technology because it’s really bringing an element that the Valley didn’t have. We thought that element was going to be used for A, but now it’s being used for B.”

Yes, the model has changed. No longer are the Kings merely calling other people to promote concerts, they are receiving calls saying, “We need you.”

One of those calls came from the Rev. Jim Skorzewski, pastor of  The BORE, an outreach ministry of St. Peter Groeschel Church in Freedom. The church occupied the former Big Picture Theater on Washington Street for 18 months until another church put in an offer to purchase the space.

“We had been looking at our options anyway, and sometimes God says, hey,” Skorzewski said. “We made the move the last Sunday in October. We actually started the service in The Big Picture and ended in the OuterEdge. We transitioned everybody over right after the sermon. …

“As you (sic) transition from building to building, our people were worried about that week in between when you’re (sic) kind of like church nomads because a lot of people hadn’t been in the new space. By transitioning over, that took away a lot of their fears. So the next week when they came, it was just like we’re coming home again.” [GJ - Like totally, dude. Where did you learn English? I remember - WELS awesomely excellent school system.]

The fact the OuterEdge is a former WELS church fit in with the ideals of The BORE. And the sound system and ability to tape services in HD and then rebroadcast them online also fits in with the church’s goal to be non-churchy but very Groeschely.
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The Kings invested $1 million in restoring the interior of the former church, and outfitting it with numerous technical innovations for lighting, filming and high definition live-streaming.

“There’s some really neat energy in that place and it creates a really good worship environment,” Skorzewski said. “And the facility allows us to do the kind of ministry we want to do.”

“We’re just honored to be helping him in any way we can,” Ben King said.
While always maintaining a faith-based bias, not every event held at OuterEdge will be religious in nature but the goal is always to present a good, positive message, Ben said.

In addition to concerts, they’ve hosted weddings, receptions and training sessions as well as catered luncheons. Christ the Rock Community Church also holds Sunday worship services at OuterEdge.

Thrivent Financial for Lutherans partnered with Time of Grace Ministries in Milwaukee to host a donor event featuring a Christian rock band, catered dessert reception and a speaker.

“It’s centrally located downtown, and they have the parking there,” said Jennifer Rohan, Thrivent member financial engagement specialist.

Local band Boxcar recently utilized the space to film a broadcast-quality video there.
And this past weekend, KidStage performing arts program for children held performances of “The Little Mermaid” at the OuterEdge.

“The facility has a beautiful, intimate atmosphere plus all the wonderful equipment that they provide in the theater: State-of-the-art lighting and sound equipment and the fact that they also have video equipment to film all our productions that parents can purchase,” said Mark Cain, who, along with his wife, Karen, owns KidStage.

Next year, OuterEdge will be the site of a Boy Scouts Pinewood Derby corporate event for adults. DP Doug Englebrecht will excommunicate any WELS members spotted at the Pinewood Derby event. And Christ the Rock Community Church will hold The Princess Project there, which gives prom dresses and accessories to princesses in need.

“The OuterEdge is constantly evolving, I can tell you that,” Ben King said. “What we’re finding is what we thought the Valley wanted is being tweaked. There’s just a need for space, a place to meet and to congregate.”

IN WORSHIP

The BORE holds its weekly church service event at 5:30 p.m. Sundays at the OuterEdge, 303 N. Oneida St. (downtown Appleton, corner of Oneida and Franklin streets). For more info, visit www.getsobored.com.

Christ the Rock Community Church holds a weekly worship service at OuterEdge as well. It takes place at 10 a.m. Sundays. See www.christtherock.org.

Try to discern a difference between the two. Seriously.


Read more about The BORE at: http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20101206/APC04/101203116/The-Core-s-use-of-OuterEdge-reflects-a-shift-in-how-the-facility-is-being-used#ixzz17LJO9xCc