Parser - tells us the I.D. of the word
Lenski's Mark Commentary - download as a PDF
Alan Lubeck (1431)
Post Number: 1947
Of what use is an atonement and ressurection (sic) that justifies no one? You have to believe in something that apparently ain't there to be justified(according to the Jacksonites). Makes me wonder if they really confess the Lords (sic) Body and Blood for each communicant...even those without faith.
Steve Schmidt (Sschmidt)
Post Number: 668
GJ likes to snip comments and mock. Good Christian behavior led by the Holy Spirit. He won't snip, however, any of the pages of quotes from Luther's Easter sermons, or Galatians commentary, or the Lutheran Confessions that clearly speak to objective justification. Maybe he hopes no one will notice they exist.
|Bishop Hill, Illinois is not far from Moline and Rock Island, where many Swedes came to work for John Deere and organized congregations.|
|Erin Jansson left Sweden and took many Swedes with him - to Bishop Hill, Illinois.|
|Taking Lutheran doctrine to the Perryville LCMS - donated books.|
|Not worthy! We stood beneath the shadow of the Pietist who organized a riot, stole all of Stephan's gold, land, books, and personal items - and kidnapped the bishop to Illinois. "Dream big!" their Church Growth leaders tell the LCMS today.|
Rev. Kevin D. Vogts (Kevin_vogts)
Post Number: 1794
>>Lenski too believed in Objective Justification, but he used different terms
That was always my impression too, which would explain how this didn't drastically warp his overall teaching. However, I have had pastor friends argue quite vociferously that Lenski should be shunned, for his position on this as well as what seem to be chiliastic tendencies some places in his New Testament Commentary
Rev. David R. Boisclair (Drboisclair)
Post Number: 650
Yes, Pastor Vogts, you are putting your finger on the gut feeling I have about the position of ELDoNA and GJ: they interject a gap between Christ's atonement and its appropriation by faith. Paul Rydecki's watershed paper that paved his way into ELDoNA, "Forensic Appeal to the Throne of Grace," gives one the impression that there is an unpredictable interval between my appeal to the throne of grace, and God's answer. One has the suspense of waiting to see if God will forgive me.
|Another Doofus post on LQ!|
|Jack Cascione and Assumption of Walther Gang continue to ignore these Scriptures and even the phrase Justification by Faith.|
|Covers and illustrations by Norma A. Boeckler.|
|The Righteous Brothers, Robert and Jack, pictured here, took over the LCMS by swinging the Objective Justification axe.|
|Who is better known and loved? Leyser or C. Peter Wager?|
|Why do they not admit to Samuel Huber veneration? He was in the bag for OJ long before Stephan and Walther.|
|How does someone become president or a professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary? Answer - Attend Fuller Seminary and deny it.|
Joe Krohn (Jekster)
Post Number: 692
Never mind about 2 Peter 2:1; where the Holy Spirit speaks of a redemption ("bought them" = ransom-AKJV) of even the apostates (unbelievers).
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."
| Rambach, the Halle Pietist, taught 1 Peter 3:16 as the Easter Absolution of the Entire World, as did Pietists Stephan and Walther.|
|How is Walther different from Rambach in absolving the entire world without faith?|
|Rev. Kevin D. Vogts (Kevin_vogts)|
Post Number: 1790
It pains me that several college and seminary classmates and other friends and acquaintances who are part of ELDONA have adopted this view. I was willing to concede the specific term "Objective Justification" if it was simply a matter of terminology, but they quickly disabused me of that notion. They made it crystal clear that they reject the terminology because they now reject the underlying doctrine.
Functionally, it [Justification by Faith] seems to me akin to the Roman Catholic teaching of gratia infusa. By His death on the cross Jesus only established the conditions that make it possible for us to attain our own salvation.