Tim Glende:
On the Luther Quest (www.lutherquest.org) discussion forum, there has been a thread the past few days focusing on objective justification. Mr. Joe Krohn, a gullible disciple of the false prophet Gregory L. Jackson, is trying to convince the participants of LQ that universal objective justification is not only un-scriptural, but un-Lutheran. He is offering ridiculous arguments and receiving at times ridiculous responses. There have been some good responses to Krohn's silly arguments, which he undoubtedly is being spoon fed from Dr. Greg Jackson. It's sad, though, that Mr. Krohn continues to be deceived by Jackson. He also continues to contradict the clear confession of his own new church body, the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod.
We want to share with you some quotes from Martin Luther himself that proves Luther taught universal objective justification. We thank Mr. Timothy Blank for sharing these on LQ:
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GJ - Tim Glende has been known as a bully, ever since college. He also has a big problem with slandering people by name while hiding behind anonymity. He did that before, aiming at a lady in his own synod and Brett Meyer, under the guise of Anonymouse, which is what I called him before he gave himself away. He and his buddies seldom post to my blog now, because I can look at the map and see who is reading the blog and sending a comment.
Glende copies everything. He is famous for plagiarizing Groeschel, denying it, and excommunicating his own member, who patiently proved the case beyond a reasonable doubt. Glende's laziness is shown by his need to copy Timothy Blank's quotations, which are also copied from UOJ talking points.
Let detail some facts about Glende's latest slander:
- Joe Krohn is not my disciple. He is not even a member of my congregation.
- Joe is not gullible. He is quite intelligent, a requirement for his job, and does research on his own.
- Glende claims, without support, that I am "undoubtedly" spoon feeding arguments to Joe. In fact, Joe writes his own material, unlike Glende, who cannot write, spell, or form a rational argument.
- The LCMS does not have a "clear confession" of UOJ. Concordia Publishing House prints a KJV catechism that contains not a word about UOJ. I just bought one. Tim could buy a few with a Thrivent grant.
Tim pretends to be sad, but we heard about that emotion before, probably copied from a recent Oprah show. Tim invented a comment in Brett Meyer's name, then claimed he was sad about the remark he invented. When Brett told Tim to remove the falsehood and proved his identity, Tim refused to remove it. The false comment is still on his blog - here.
Brett responded -
Brett Meyer said...
I am requesting your consideration. Please remove the comment that someone left in my name. I assure you that I didn't write the comment. I stand by everything that I've written and posted on the internet and have linked to most of it at one time or another so anyone interested can see the context in which it was written and consider my opinions and confession. Since you disagree with my opinions and confession written elsewhere there's no need to maintain a false impersonation of my statements. Just let my confession speak for itself.
Thank you,
Brett Meyer
November 9, 2011 8:22 PM
Real Ichabod said...
We won't be removing your comment, Brett, or whoever you are. How do we know you're the real Brett Meyer? Maybe the fake Brett wants us to remove the comment. No, it will stay, since the original comment is consistent with what you have written previously.
Joe wrote to Tim before:
Please don't pray for me. You are of another spirit that you revealed in a comment concerning our excommunication. And like the cowards you are and continue to be, you deleted it. You have bigger problems than Dr. Jackson. If I can't think for myself, then neither can the Intrepids since they are confessing said same. Why don't you attend to your own WELS house instead of being concerned with those outside of your fellowship who really have no say in the matter.
Joe Krohn
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GJ - If anyone asks me, I suggest not bothering with McCain, Glende, or Steadfast Enthusiasts. They are Waltherian in their duplicity, divisiveness, and Enthusiasm. Below is the real Katy Perry, someone Tim posed with so he could display his trophy on Facebook. His pal Ski did the same thing.
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| Katy Perry without makeup. |
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Lito Cruz, PhD, sent this comment:
I see that Fake-Ichabod Tim quoted Luther there. This quote is allusion to the St. John passage, but the UOJ thinks that when Luther says forgiven, he thinks that is UOJ, but clearly Luther was speaking about it in the sense of the atonement. So it means paid for, in fact he even uses remit.
My conclusion is that Luther's quotes are being taken and must be taken
with a tweak to support UOJ but entirely based on the BoC and how the BoC
authors presented Luther's thoughts clearly now rejects that UOJ notion. For it
stands to reason that since they claim Luther taught this, the BoC authors
should have presented it that way in no uncertain terms. Yet they themselves
conclude that the BoC does not have UOJ in it.
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GJ - Reading comprehension is lacking among the UOJ Enthusiasts, so they do not grasp the distinction between the atonement and justification by faith.
I am thankful these brave pastors have chosen to do the God-pleasing thing and offer you Holy Communion. I will continue to keep them as well as you in my prayers.
Scott E. Jungen
The under-shepherd District President is demonstrably less generous and yielding with your employ of words, Mr. Techlin, than with his own musings. You see, he insists that your words need to be taken “at face value,” and that they bear “consequences” not readily shorn. Yet he says that the opinions of “your former pastors” should be consulted, before you are allowed to secure the consolation of the Cup of the new testament in the Lord’s blood, which is shed for you.
What sort of innovation is this, to Lutheran practice? If his friends are indeed your “former pastors,” they have no say in guiding you with their crooks (or with their borrowed Power-points, as it is). Our Lord Himself observes that “No man can serve two masters.” Other under-shepherds have the pastoral obligation to examine, and serve as the gateway to the meal at which heaven meets earth. You former pastors do not, at the moment, as their meandering leading of their flock has accomplished. The word “former,” too, has “consequences.”
It may be an excess of meticulousness to demand such precision in fluency, but we must grant this: even the titanic struggles of the Nicene fathers hinged greatly, over the matter of an iota. If we can’t get the communication down right, the mischief will continue, affecting others who sympathize with your struggles, until things are completely ripped apart.
By the way: I think clerics should find the time to respond to the open mouths of the flock, in reasonable time, or seek other employ as ones being skilled in the marks of hirelings.
Michael L. Anderson MD, PHD
Either you and the Pastors and congregations who commune you are wrong, or President Englebrecht and the Pastors and congregation of St. Peter are wrong. It has to be one of the other. There is no “half-way” in this case.
I believe the case is clear. Thus, I support you thoroughly and completely.
God bless you and keep you!
Pastor Spencer
In Christ,
Rebecca
No, the “sin” here is not that Mr. Techlin’s words were misunderstood by some unidentified people. The “sin” is that the words were made public to begin with, and we all know that nothing of importance can be discussed in WELS outside of official and closed meetings.
I’m glad that there are at least some pastors up there who are not afraid. Thank God for them.
Dr. Aaron Palmer
Your treatment by your former parish and your DP is outrageous. I left the WELS for Eastern Orthodoxy for doctrinal reasons, but rest assured — I never witnessed anything remotely like this.
How, exactly, are the former “pastors” who, let us remember, “commend[ed] you to your own spiritual care,” in any position to give their “blessing” to anything? They kicked you out! And they did so in such a manner as to exhibit raw, naked exercise of power over and against the Gospel of Christ. If you are commended to your own spiritual care, what say do these so-called “shepherds” have in whether or not another communes you? And why should the DP take sides in their favor and against you when the issues you have raised have not even been dealt with?
Your faithfulness to your own principles and the Lutheran Confessions is to be commended. May the Lord be with you as you bear His cross. I am pleased there are good pastors in your area willing to act in accordance with their Office instead of their ambitions.
Kyrie eleison.
I have heard that one of the reasons to deny women the vote in the congregation is because of the possibility of Excommunication. How, the reasoning seems to be, can we allow women the vote if someday we might have to excommunicate someone? How, indeed.
I suppose that all of us at some time or another might be heretics deserving of excommunication. How can one not be of an inquisitive nature and not find something which we do not understand? How can we be thinking persons and not find something that seems strange to us? How can we be certain that, apart from the Scriptures and the Lutheran Confessions, we are told things that make sense?
Well, I do not know the circumstances of your situation and do not wish to intrude where I have no understanding. I do wish you well in your life, and as one who might be as guilty as you are, I stand in the door and wait for the knock from the church police to take me away. There is an open area near my home where a bonfire could be made.
Norman Teigen
Hopkins MN