Showing posts with label Kokomo Theses. Show all posts
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Thursday, March 29, 2018

WELS Denying What They Teach - Facebook Discussion

 Facebook Discussion Group Devoted to Praising WELS for Being So Golly-Gee Perfect.

I'm a new wels affiliated member from the Philippines. Very new, jump shipped from LCP (lcms affiliated).
what is your reaction to this video? Your replies will be of great help.
I only have a basic understanding of Objective Justification and subjective justification. UOJ however is somewhat new. What is the heart of this view? is this a new thing being contended between WELS and LCMS? I would love to hear from WELS people on the matter.

What does one do when he realizes that his church (or church body) teaches false doctrine? Scripture says we are not to…
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Donald Hochmuth WELS and LCMS have been united in this going back to the old days of the Synodical Conference. No, you should not leave the WELS. A blessed Holy Week and Easter to you and yours.
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Marzan Ozarraga Venus Thank you Donald Hochmuth I was not contemplating to have another jump ship lol just wanna listen to some clarifications and additional inputs regarding UOJ. Do you happen to know this Pastor Sullivan in the video. Is he LCMS?
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Donald Hochmuth Marzan Ozarraga Venus I can only assume that he is LCMS. I do not know for sure. How are we to understand John 3:16? What does "world" mean, if not the world of fallen, sinful human beings? Do we say "if you bellieve on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved..." . . . "or, believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved . . .' . . ? UOJ does not mean that all are going to heaven, even those with no faith in Jesus as Savior. LCMS has taught UOJ in the past. Whether or not they do now, I don't know. Pastor Sullivan seems, if he is LCMS, to belive that LCMS has no doctrinal problems and is pretty swift to accuse WELS of promoting false doctrine.
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Marzan Ozarraga Venus Tnx Donald Hochmuth I found out that he is ELDONA. It came across as a shock to me when he claims that wels believed that by UOJ we mean justification even for those who are in hell. It is obvious to me at face value that it was off the rails observation for him. But I was just trying to test him here on that accusation. tnx for the time.
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Donald Hochmuth Marzan Ozarraga Venus Thanks for the information. Good for you in scoping this out. I grew up Methodist, and decided while yet in adult confirmation class that I was going into WELS ministry. That was 1957, and I have never regreted it. May the Lord keep you strong in your faith.
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Marzan Ozarraga Venus Donald Hochmuth Donald Hochmuth Thank u.. maybe this early June the team from WELS Asia Pacific would bless us here in the Philippines your guidance and help. I'll be continuing my seminary studies with them online. Thank you for the wishes. Hope you the same. And am glad to know your background. Thank u for sharing.
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Donald Hochmuth Marzan Ozarraga Venus By all means, continue in your studies. It is not an easy journey, but leads to a wonderful calling. Keep in touch with me. I shall be praying over you and your studies.
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Marzan Ozarraga Venus ok Rev! tnk u so much! means a Lot to me!


 This comes from drinking the bong water or listening to David Scaer too long.





This is decision theology or synergism, in a confused twist,
but Mequon calls justification by faith synergism.
Have they ever read Luther?


In the Scriptures, only believers are saints.
All believers in Christ are saints because they receive the righteousness of Christ
through faith.


Imputation is the a key term in justification by faith. See Romans 4 - 5:1-2. This bizarre statement parrots Edward Preuss, who became a Roman Catholic defender afterwards.
McCain was Otten's Secret Agent Man for Al Barry's presidential campaign. McCain began dumping on Otten as soon as Paul got his new job at the Purple Palace.

Mad Jack has always been Otten's counselor at Christian NewsTrue Waltherians - except they have not kidnapped anyone.

Valleskey, as president of The Sausage Factory and cheerleader for Church Growth, revealed in print that he did not understand a word of the Bible. The New NIV has exonerated him.

Friday, February 9, 2018

John Sparky Brenner Exposes His Bias in Jars of Clay -
Not a History But a Cover-Up

 Why do WELS clergy and laity ignore this example of JP Meyer's Scriptural wisdom while embracing his anti-Christian dogma of UOJ?

For all the bluster about WELS being Scriptural, in contrast to LCMS dogmatic statements, both sects are the same. They owned the German language and had all the sources at their disposal, but both synods fostered and promoted the anti-Christian cancer of Universal Objective Justification. Meanwhile, they fussed over trivia and staged great debates about adiaphora, avoiding the Chief Article - Justification by Faith.

Note - here is Pastor Vernon Harley's Justification by Faith essay. My wife and I met him and his wife before he died.

John Sparky Brenner is not an analytical historian like Thucydides but a tall tale teller like Herodotus. Here is a good example from his PR book, Jars of Clay.

Pastor John P. Meyer served as president of the WELS seminary,1937-1957. His teaching career spanned many decades. He began at Northwestern College in Watertown in 1902. His dogmatics notes were still be used in the 1980s, proving his post-humus influence.

JP Meyer is known for his commentary on II Corinthians, Ministers of Christ. Brenner wrote:
The commentary is a masterpiece offering, among other things, practical advice on Christian stewardship and insight into the precious doctrine of objective justification. Jars, p. 184.

He also wrote Studies in the Augsburg Confession. Really? His three Kokomo Statements are idiotic and contradict the Augsburg Confess - not to mention the entire Bible, Augustine, Luther, and the Book of Concord.



 Three of the four Kokomo Statements are from this book and remain unchanged, even though edited by Armin Panning, former seminary president and New Testament Greek professor!

Where were all the Biblical scholars? the studious laity? the parochial teachers?

WELS plays a game of GA double-talk. They pretend to back away from the Kokomo UOJ Statements but they seethe and hurl anathemas at anyone teaching Justification by Faith. I question whether John Sparky Brenner can even say those three words - Justification by Faith - and explain them from the Scriptures and the Book of Concord.

If UOJ is a precious doctrine, then Justification by Faith must be darkness and corruption. Imagine how distorted the brains of the Mordor students must be upon graduation and ordination in WELS!

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From

http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2017/05/more-silliness-this-year-at-emmaus.html

 Supper at Emmaus - by M. Caravaggio
Luke 24:30 - 
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight.


Brenner - "Hoenecke, who was a Wisconsin Synod spokesman at a few of the free conferences, explained that doctrine must be drawn from those passages that teach that doctrine. We draw the doctrine of election from those passages that teach the doctrine of election, not from passages that teach justification by faith. Koehler summarizes Hoenecke’s comments from the free conference in Milwaukee in 1903." Emmaus paper.

GJ - Zounds. Hoenecke had no sense of the unified witness of the Scriptures, but chose to follow the thetical approach of Walther. That is - the thesis is solemnly pronounced first, then Scriptures are cited or mismatched to the dogmatic statement.




The Tenth Annual Emmaus Conference

The 10th Annual Emmaus Conference is Friday, April 28th, 2017, with a banquet the evening prior on Thursday, April 27th. The topic for the 2017 Emmaus Conference will be: “The Unsuspecting American Luthers”. The backgrounds, challenges, and impact of several Lutheran theologians in the 20th Century will be explored and discussed.
From Dan the Dense on Walther - "Walther believed in objective justification (John 1:29; Romans 5:18; 2 Corinthians 5:15 & 19). His 14th thesis reads: “In the tenth place, the Word of God is not rightly divided when faith is required as a condition of justification and salvation, as if a person were righteous in the sight of God and saved, not only by faith, but also on account of his faith, for the sake of his faith, and in view of his faith.”13

GJ - Daniel, have you read Justification and Rome? How about Romans 4? Romans 5:1-2? The Gospel of John?

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Wherever two or three LCMS leaders are gathered together, CFW Walther worship begins. This Emmaus debacle was held in late April, but the papers are not posted yet. In this day of instant publishing, the papers could have been linked on the website. I recall Mirthless Mark Schroeder did not want his shared, years ago, not that he said anything worth publishing. Here is the non-archive archive.

The May 8th Christian News must be the archive, because they posted some promotional bits and photos about the event...afterwards. Oh dear, I missed the conference altogether. David Becker found the event disappointing, albeit without being there. Compared to WELS Luther Days, where Jay Webber spoke to one (1) person - and Natalie Pratt disappeared with the money - Emmaus 2017 was probably a smash hit.

We all know that Preus descendants are the Agent Orange of Justification by Faith. Whenever they suspect that Luther's doctrine is being taught somewhere, they spray their toxic dogma from Halle Rationalists all over, until nothing is left living: no faith, no Gospel, no fruits of the Gospel.

Does anyone wonder why the ELS is almost gone and WELS is corrupt beyond measure? To those who are kicked out of WELS, I always say, "Good for you. They did you a great favor." Alcoholism and adultery are not problems among WELS clergy and teachers - they are resume enhancers, if someone has the right friends and the wrong doctrine.

The strength of the LCMS is its mix of Pentecostal, ELCA wannabees, Walther worshipers, and Lutherans. The Missouri Synod is such a rainbow coalition that the bureaucrats do not have the power or urge to crack down on the Chief Article of the Christian Faith. Anyway, they have Otten to do their work for them. And Logorrhea - and their Fuller/Rome seminaries.

 You were born forgiven kids,
now don't ask any probing questions about this.


How bad is WELS? At Mordor Seminary in Mequon, Wendland is the salesman-in-charge of the New NIV. Valleskey was the previous president, based on years of gushing about Church Growth and studying at Fuller with his pal Bivens (also on the faculty). When I was there in 1987, I did not hear Church Growth promoted in the classroom. But once everyone was "finished," they were also required to attend the post MDiv training, which was all Church Growth. Besides that, when I accepted the call to Shepherd of Peace in Columbus, Ohio, the congregation had me attend Paul Kelm's Church Growth "evangelism seminar," which lasted a week. That event was stocked with such CG kahunas as Valleskey, Hartman, Kelm, Larry Olson, and such like.