What Do the LCMS-WELS-ELS Drones Believe?They Repudiate the Augsburg Confession - Justification by Faith

 

Where is Archbishop Liz Eaton? She despises the Augsburg Confession with the same gusto as these guys.

Quote - "You Are Not a Christian. You Are a FAITHian. Your Faith Is in Faith!"

 

The "faithian" argument has been around for some time. Those who know and understand English, or German, or Greek can discern the difference between Justification by Faith and Justification without Faith.

The Great Walther, as they like to call him, was simply a copycat who adopted the Pietism of Bishop Martin Stephan, STD, the syphilitic who adopted the dogma of Halle University. Study of the Walther circle shows that the earlier Pietist dictator was followed by another - Stephan - who lost his dictatorship to CFW.

A lot of adoring OJists quoted similar statements from this Preus-centric book,
but he repudiated Objective Justification in his Justification and Rome.

Daily Luther Sermon Quote - Epiphany - "The work of the fathers was not to give light to the Scriptures with their comments, but rather to set forth the clear Scriptures and thus interpret Scripture by Scripture only without any additions of their own."

 

Complete Sermon -> Luther's Sermons - Matthew 2:1-12.
Epiphany - The Story and Spiritual Meaning of This Gospel

45. In the third place, they hold up to us the saints’ interpretations of the Scriptures, and consider them a great light. They finally adhere to them and believe that in these interpretations they possess something that no one could reject, and claim again and again in order to keep us away from the pure Word that the Scriptures are obscure and make many heretics.

46. Is not this a masterpiece of blasphemy? But who guarantees them that the fathers are not also obscure? Or who will give us the guaranty that the fathers did not err in their interpretations? Indeed it is well known that they did often err, often contradicted themselves, often contradicted each other and very seldom were unanimous in their agreement. God permitted this to happen to make uncertain also the interpretations of the fathers and to warn us on all sides not to depart from the Scriptures. And yet we stumble here and do not permit ourselves to be guided by the Scriptures. Therefore we should know that it is not true when they say: The fathers give light to the obscure Scriptures. They are doing injustice to the fathers, and belie them. The work of the fathers was not to give light to the Scriptures with their comments, but rather to set forth the clear Scriptures and thus interpret Scripture by Scripture only without any additions of their own.

47. However, that heretics originated from the Scriptures, is true. From where else should they have come? There is no other book that teaches the Christian faith but the Scriptures. Therefore, as no one can become a Christian except by the Scriptures, so also can no one become a heretic but by the same Scriptures. Christ is indeed a sign spoken against and set for the falling and rising of many. Should we on that account reject him or set up another Christ by his side? You do not at the same time need wine and bread, but should we on that account quit tilling the farm and the vineyards or start others besides them? Satan is the enemy of the Scriptures and therefore he has decried and calumniated them by this clamor and blasphemy.

48. But what does this Gospel teach? In the first place, these wise men did not inquire after the chief priests and do not ask: Where is Annas or Caiaphas, or how did this or that man live? But they ask: Where is the newborn king of the Jews? Yes, Christ permits them, as a warning to us, to go astray and to seek him in Jerusalem in the holy city among the priests, the learned and the royalty. He is not found in the holy place nor in the holy customs. Nor did they receive as an answer any human opinions, but only what the Scriptures say about Christ, which alone are to be sought among the holy people and in holy places.

The Ovaltines Speak Their Minds

 

Rolf Preus - ALPB Ovaltine - "I subscribe to the New Republic and the Nation, and so receive mailings from the ACLU, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and various progressive organizations. I think it's a good idea to read stuff written by people with whom you (sic) disagree."

So much in common, so little comprehension! Wayne Mueller published his opinions about flexibility in studying the Book of Concord. The time has come for WELS and the LCMS to sing the Halleluia Chorus together with Halle University, its crafts and assaults.

The Synods Have Been Weighed in the Balances and Found Wanting

 

Not a debate but a debacle.

 Wayne Mueller at the helm.

Dress for success church picnic.

Our Great Calvinist Heritage should be the title of this Book of Concord rebuttal.

One of the many strange perversions in The Big Five - ELCA-LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC (sic) - is their merger in the name of Faithless Justification, which sounds eerily like Unitarian-Universalism, whose adherents are called U-U's. The Calvinists always drift into Unitarianism or Universalism - or both.

Mergers are the cowards' way of adding one plus one to get 1.2. Ask Thrivent, which was birthed from the unholy wombs of AAL and Lutheran Brotherhood. I was on the scent of UUA when I found that the precious Graduate Theological Union was shedding denominations in their fumbling, bumbling corporation (carperation in St. Louis Irish lingo).

U-Us dropped out of this corrupt gathering of dunderheads - due to costs and lack of interest. 

The famous Megan Rohrer attended the Graduate Theological Union.

Member seminaries, academic centers, and affiliates

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Consortial seminaries

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• Berkeley School of Theology (American Baptist Churches USA)
• Church Divinity School of the Pacific (Episcopal)
• Dominican School of Philosophy and Theology
• Institute of Buddhist Studies
• Jesuit School of Theology of Santa Clara University
• Pacific Lutheran Theological Seminary (ELCA)
• Pacific School of Religion (United Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, and United Methodist Church)
• San Francisco Theological Seminary (Presbyterian Church (USA))

Academic centers and affiliates

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• Center for the Arts and Religion^[5]
• Center for Islamic Studies^[6]
• Center for Swedenborgian Studies^[7]
• Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences^[8]
• Mira & Ajay Shingal Center for Dharma Studies^[9]
• New College Berkeley
• Patriarch Athenagoras Orthodox Institute^[10]
• Richard S. Dinner Center for Jewish Studies^[11]
• Newbigin House of Studies^[12]
• Wilmette Institute^[13]

 

Paul Kuske's Website - Teaches Justification by Faith - And Is Still on the Net

 

This is a bio of Paul Kuske, who is 94 -

http://essays.wisluthsem.org:8080/bitstream/handle/123456789/2428/JohnstonPKuske.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

His website is -

https://questioningobjectivejustification.com/index.php/faq/the-other-14-passages/

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Let me know if Kuske quotes me on anything.

Kuske was given the title of District VP Emeritus, but he openly discussed his objections to Objective Justification being taught at the Mequon seminary. So the Michigan District removed his honorary Emeritus designation.

Quoted a Michigan District pastor - "Kuske said when the seminary students graduated,  'There goes another class of false doctrine.'" I do not have the recording, but I do remember this rare item being conveyed to me. 

Face the Issue - The Big Five - ELCA-LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC (sic) Are Incompetent

Whether it is the Big Sister (ELCA) or the Waltherian Four (LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC), the synodicals are bound together, whether chasing Thrivent for more money or expressing their malignant dogma. 

Allow me to explain the toxic theologians and their slippery grasp of the Bible, like someone washing the fine china with slippery hands and watching the crockery crash to the floor, angry words exchanged.

KJV Romans 4:25 - Has everyone heard this a thousand times? 

4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification!

Is this a question? It is incomplete, like saying "Who was writing..." 

But now it has been recited wrongly for ages, and the illiterate leaders keep parroting the words. Deliberate or just dumb?

Let's make sense out of their nonsense.

Romans 4

KJV Romans 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Their LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC (sic) opinions collapse from their ignorance and lack of language skills.

Pleased note - or nota bene - Justification by Faith immediately follows this section we call Romans 4, which is all about Justification by Faith starting with Abraham, Genesis 15:6. Let that bounce around in those empty heads - Justification by Faith began with Abraham and ended with the LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC (sic).

1 Timothy 3

A large amount of Objective Justification is based upon Jesus absolving the entire world. Because the OJers have very little  analytical capacity, they only use one phrase of Paul's hymn or poem or statement in 1 Timothy 3:16.

KJV 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: 

1. God was manifest in the flesh, 
2. justified in the Spirit, 
3. seen of angels, 
4. preached unto the Gentiles, 
5. believed on in the world, 
6. received up into glory.

This is a clear and powerful confession of faith in the Son of God. Therefore, justification in the Spirit means that Jesus' resurrection - by itself - proved His divinity. Nothing in this beautiful statement suggests "the whole world was declared righteous." Only a numbskull would claim that, a sorry example of Waltherian density. 

The new mission plan has been a breakout success.

Remember, acolytes of Saint Walther the Pietist, he learned his OJ from Bishop Martin Stephan STD, who took his followers to America, already convicted of his gross sins and debauchery. The Stephanite leaders knew the truth and lied about their knowledge of Stephan seducing young women who caught his syphilis. 

Walther was so Stephanite stupid that he collapsed the Atonement of Christ into the General Absolution of the entire world.

The foolishness from the Waltherian Four is ridiculous because they constantly search out Scriptures - used in error - to back up their Objective Faithless Justification.

 

Walther hisself loved the two justifications, which only supports his false teaching borrowed from a Halle University professor. This statement comes from a famous American Calvinist who translated Knapp's German work, the translation used extensively in America for about 90 years. The double justification formula will never cease because the Four Waltherian sects love it so dearly. 

Oh No! Quenstedt was a favorite of Dr. Robert Preus. Perhaps the truth slowly came out. All of us have been subjected to similar errors. The Waltherian cults cannot let go of their foolishness.

Note the harmony between Knapp, Rambach, and the Waltherian Four.

The Big Five - ELCA-LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC (sic) - Impale Themselves on John 16:7-9

 

KJV John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

What makes The Big Five - ELCA-LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC (sic) rage, fume, sputter, and slam down the EXCOMMICATE! button?

I have quoted their fuddle-headed declaration many times. Note the singular - declaration - a foul speck of poison that has toxified all they teach. It is not pretending. This is what they really mean - "The entire world has been declared righteous." 

They have two factions. One is - "The entire world was declared righteous when Christ died on the cross." That is Cross Objective Faithless Justification.

The second definition is - "The entire world was declared righteous the moment Christ rose from the dead." That is Grave Objective Faithless Justification. 

They are not divided, even though they contradict the parallel definition of  their hardened, blinded stupidity. They are not children who always speak of faith in Jesus. Not at all - the Objective Faithless Justification addicts are carefully trained, weighted with diplomas, unbelieving charlatans. Nothing makes them rage louder, longer, and more lasciviously than the Chief Article of Christianity - Justification by Faith.

 

Luther, Melanchthon, and Chemnitz taught the Chief Article.
So did the Apostle Paul and Jesus Christ.

Not believing on Christ is a sin, as Jesus clearly taught.  

Lutheran Farmer Tom Fisher - About the Objective Justification Enthusiasts

 

KJV Isaiah 40 - "11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young."

Dear Pastor Jackson,

True Lutheran Christians instinctively know that Objective Justification is a wooden nickel.  They cling to justification by faith as taught over and over in the Bible with Abraham being the father of our faith. Ask a true Lutheran Christian when God justified him and he will reply: "I am baptized into Christ and clothed in the righteousness of Christ in the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost." 

What would a wild eyed Objective Justification enthusiast say when you ask him when God justified him?  If he is honest he would say, "I was justified when I accepted the fact that God already declared the world righteous in Christ."  True Lutheran Christians sense this is justification by works not true justification by faith.

I have noticed the evasiveness of Objective Justification enthusiasts. They never answer your questions. They are skilled at lying and deceiving by God's name and Word.  When you hear them use the term "subjective justification" - think works righteousness and synergism because that is what it is. 

Objective Justification is convoluted, twisted, absurd, and blasphemous against God and His Word.  Objective Justification enthusiasts constantly insist that God has already justified the world, but it really doesn't benefit anyone until they accept this dogma personally as their own.  Would God convey a vain and empty universal justification on the whole world and then add man's work of accepting it to make it effective and efficacious? God works all things after His perfect foreknowledge, council, and will.  God never gives us an empty vain husk. Objective Justification is an empty husk that requires man's work of accepting. 

Here is the original definition of Objective / Subjective justification. Notice how justification is divided into two parts: God's work and man's work. Walther, a rabid OJ/SJ nut divided justification into two parts: God's part and man's part. Walther faithfully adhered to the original definition of OJ/SJ derived from its founder: G. C. Knapp, Theology Professor, Halle University:

"This is very conveniently expressed by the terms Objective and Subjective Justification. Objective Justification is the act of God, by which he proffers pardon to all through Christ; subjective is the act of man, by which he accepts the pardon freely offered in the Gospel. The former is universal, the latter is not." (See pg. 11, The Path To Understanding Justification, Gregory L. Jackson, PhD, ISBN 9781072530428) [GJ - Note that the OJ/SJ words quoted came from the Calvinist translator's explanation. The definition was adopted by the Walther synods.]

In contrast true justification by faith in Christ is completely God's work, Word, Will, Foreknowledge, Council, and Name in our baptism. Here in our baptism we are freely given true faith and clothed in the righteousness of Christ in the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. For most of us God baptized us into Christ and clothed us in the righteousness of Christ when we were little infants.  Here in our baptism God gave us true faith in Christ, and justified us in the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior; that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." Titus 3: 5 -7

We have countless examples of believers both adults and infants being baptized into Christ, and justified in the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. At Pentecost the apostle Peter urged the multitude to repent and be baptized:

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. " Acts 2:38, 39

Notice how baptism reigns supreme in true justification by faith. It completely destroys our works, our accepting, our endeavoring, our will, our emotional devotions, grinding them to powder. Here in our baptism we have God's Word, Will, Foreknowledge, Council, Work, and Name. 

In Acts 8:26-40 we see the Ethiopian Eunuch of great authority under Candace Queen of the Ethiopians believing in Christ and immediately being baptized into Christ.

In Acts 9:17-19 Saul is immediately baptized into Christ.

In Acts 10 Cornelius, a centurion of the Italian band was immediately baptized into Christ.

In Acts 16:15 Lydia of Phillipi is immediately baptized into Christ.

In Acts 16:30-33 The jailer and his whole family are baptized into Christ and justified in the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

In Acts 18:8 Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue and his whole family are baptized into Christ and justified in the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. 

In Acts 19:5 Many Ephesians are baptized into Christ and justified in the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Here in these examples we see the apostles preaching the true gospel and then immediately baptizing the believers into Christ in the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. The apostle Peter preached the death and resurrection of Christ.  Phillip preached Christ to the Ethiopian Eunuch. The apostle Paul clearly describes the preaching of the true gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-6 

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third according to the scriptures: and that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: after that he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time." 

That's the true gospel.  Do you hear any OJ/SJ nonsense here? Absolutely NOT!! Objective Justification is another gospel and those who preach it put themselves under a horrible curse. 

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8,9)

Hang your heads in shame and repent you Objective Justification preachers. Your universal justification without faith and without baptism lies in a ruinous heap, completely crushed and defeated by the true gospel and baptism, and true justification by faith in Jesus as taught repeatedly in the Bible.

Objective Justification enthusiasts in LCMS, WELS, ELS, and ACLC must answer the following questions:

LCMS states in the Brief Statement that "scripture teaches that God has already declared the whole world to be righteous in Christ."

Does this LCMS statement teach that God has already justified the whole world prior to and without faith and without baptism?

In contrast scripture teaches that it is impossible to please God without faith. So why do OJ/SJ enthusiasts continue to ignore this passage so they can continue lying and deceiving by God's name and Word. Scripture teaches justification by faith not justification prior to and without faith.

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Heb 11:6

Does this LCMS statement teach that God has already declared every baby being born to be already righteous in Christ prior to and without baptism into Christ, and without faith, and without God the Holy Ghost?

In contrast scripture teaches infants are born into sin, and are sinful not innocent. Infants are not born into Christ prior to and without faith and baptism into Christ. Baptism gives infants faith, and the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost. Baptism clothes infants in the righteousness of Christ and puts them in the entire Christ. 

"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Galatians 3:22-27

Does the LCMS teach Objective / Subjective Justification?  

If so then why would justification need to be divided into two parts?  

They say it is the other side of the same coin, but it is not. The original definition insists that OJ is God's work and SJ is man's work. 

In contrast scripture teaches one undivided justification by faith in Christ. All of justification is God's work. God's works are never barren, but always  abundantly efficacious and fruitful. We know faith in Christ and faith in God the Father is the work of God.

" Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works is God? Jesus answered and said unto them. This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." John 6:28, 29

In contrast Objective Justification is completely barren, unfruitful as it benefits no one. OJ/SJ enthusiasts insist Objective Justification declares the whole world righteous in Christ, yet benefits no one. Man must do something to receive any benefit. He must admit that everyone is already righteous in Christ.  They call this "faith", but we call it works righteousness and synergism where man must cooperate. 

"And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life " 1 John 5:19-20

"For ye are all the children God by faith in  Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ " Galatians 3:26,27

In Christ,

Tom Fisher