Showing posts with label United Methodists. Show all posts
Showing posts with label United Methodists. Show all posts

Monday, July 15, 2024

From Christian Post -Third Gay Bishop - Starting To Brazenly Tally the Count,
Just Like ELCA

 

They are emptying their own pews.

UMC elects third openly gay bishop; first since UMC changed rules


"A regional body of The United Methodist Church has its third openly gay bishop, the first since the mainline Protestant denomination changed its rules to allow noncelibate homosexuals to be ordained.  

The Rev. Kristin Stoneking, a United Methodist studies professor at the Pacific School of Religion, was elected a bishop by the UMC Western Jurisdiction at their meeting held last week in Spokane, Washington.

Stoneking was elected on the 11th ballot, receiving 65 votes out of 94 valid ballots cast. For that ballot, she needed to receive at least 63 votes, according to UM News. Her term of service begins on Sept. 1.


The Rev. Kristin Stoneking speaks after being elected bishop by The United Methodist Church Western Jurisdiction on July 12, 2024, in Spokane, Washington. She has become the third bishop elected in the UMC who is in a same-sex marriage. Screengrab/YouTube/Western Jurisdiction of the UMC

Stoneking is the third person in a same-sex marriage to be elected bishop by the Western Jurisdiction, as the regional body had previously elected Bishop Karen Oliveto in 2016 and Bishop Cedrick Bridgeforth in 2022, both in defiance of the denomination’s rules prohibiting the ordination of noncelibate gay clergy.

Although Oliveto’s election was declared invalid by The United Methodist Judicial Council, the denomination’s highest court, in 2017, Oliveto remained in her position.

Additionally, a UMC pastor filed a complaint against the election of Bridgeforth shortly after he became a bishop, arguing that it undermined “all United Methodist clergy who uphold the highest ideals of the Christian life” and said it “sends a confusing message about the meaning of marriage to the community and potential parishioners."

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WELS is catching up quickly on the gay issue. Their only college promoted all genders years ago, because the synod wanted the federal blessing for student loans, which are juice for their failing cult.

Time of Grace has been pan-Lutheran all along, which is fitting for future pastors who act out gay stuff in videos and in their abusive initiation rights.

Friday, May 31, 2024

United Methodists Lose One Million Members From Ivory Coast Cutting Ties -
“For reasons of conscience before God and His word, the supreme authority in matters of faith and life.”

 


"In a continued blistering indictment against the destructive and damned United Methodist Church denomination, their largest overseas jurisdiction has voted to cut ties with them over their support of same-sex marriage and all things gay at their General Conference earlier this month, resulting in a loss of over a million members in a single day."

The Radical Left of the United Methodist Church got tired of the traditional American Methodists resisting them, so they offered to let the conservatives leave for $25 million, still insisting that the conservatives owed them money. The Left wanted the departure so they could legalize what they had been promoting for years - omnisex ordination. By coaxing the conservative Methodists out they were able to copy ELCA, so Presiding Bishop Liz Eaton, back from her four-month time of healing, could gloat:


Bishop Eaton Reflects on UMC’s Bishop Eaton Reflects on UMC’s Historic Changes and Ecumenical Growth

Presiding Bishop Elizabeth Eaton reflects on the profound changes emerging from the recently concluded United Methodist Church (UMC) General Conference in Charlotte, N.C. After being postponed since 2020, the conference highlighted the UMC's adoption of significant measures including the lifting of a 40-year ban on the ordination of practicing homosexual clergy, and the expansion of marriage definitions to include same-sex couples. These actions represent a major step toward a more equitable, diverse, and global church structure. 


Additionally, the UMC celebrated full communion proposals with The Episcopal Church and ongoing communion with the Moravian Church. 

Bishop Eaton underscores the ELCA's joy and gratitude for 15 years of full communion with the UMC, celebrating the shared commitment to inclusivity and unity in Christian teaching.

Read @ elca.org
Dear church,

In 1 Corinthians 12:26 the apostle Paul reminds us that "if one member suffers, all suffer together with it; if one member is honored, all rejoice together with it." For 15 years we have accompanied our full-communion siblings in the United Methodist Church (UMC) through joyous and challenging times. We know firsthand the pain of debate, disaffiliation and division that they have experienced. Yet we also know the hope-filled renewal of Christ's church.

Last week the UMC General Conference, postponed since 2020, concluded in Charlotte, N.C. With each day's news we witnessed our partner church emerging strengthened, revitalized and united. Several actions will shape the future of the UMC. These include the adoption of a plan for worldwide regionalization to restructure the UMC as a truly equitable, diverse and global church, which now goes to annual conferences for ratification. Regionalization will allow for unity within the worldwide UMC structure, even as members hold diverse opinions on the following actions:

Lifting a 40-year ban on the ordination of practicing homosexual clergy.

Lifting restrictions on clergy to officiate at, and on congregations to host, weddings between adults of the same gender.

Eliminating from the UMC's Social Principles the assertion that homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching.

Broadening the definition of marriage to be between either a man and a woman or two consenting adults.

The UMC welcomed over 70 ecumenical guests, who were present when the conference adopted a proposal for full communion with The Episcopal Church (TEC); this now awaits action by the TEC General Convention. Worship included a postponed celebration of full communion with the Moravian Church in America (Northern and Southern provinces), ratified in 2018, and a sermon titled "Christian Unity Matters," preached by the Rev. Dr. Jerry Pillay, general secretary of the World Council of Churches.

These significant actions and the UMC's witness to the ecumenical vocation we share come as we celebrate 15 years of full communion. The ELCA rejoices and gives thanks to God for the opportunity to proclaim together, from this point forward, that Christian teaching is for all people and that the gifts of all are welcome and needed to serve Christ's church.

In unity,

The Rev. Elizabeth A. Eaton
Presiding Bishop, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America




Friday, May 24, 2024

What Next?! Archbishop Elizabeth Eaton Glories in the United Methodist Split,
So Similar to the ELCA's Collapse




Elizabeth A. Eaton, presiding bishop of the ELCA, has issued a pastoral letter on the United Methodist Church (UMC) General Conference, which concluded last week in Charlotte, N.C., after having been postponed since 2020. “For 15 years we have accompanied our full-communion siblings in the UMC through joyous and challenging times,” the letter read, in part. “We know firsthand the pain of debate, disaffiliation and division that they have experienced. Yet we also know the hope-filled renewal of Christ’s church.”

The letter continued: “With each day’s news we witnessed our partner church emerging strengthened, revitalized and united. Several actions will shape the future of the UMC. These include the adoption of a plan for worldwide regionalization to restructure the UMC as a truly equitable, diverse and global church, which now goes to annual conferences for ratification.” Regionalization will allow for unity within the worldwide UMC structure, Eaton said, even as members hold diverse opinions on actions taken. Those actions included:

  • Lifting a 40-year ban on the ordination of practicing homosexual clergy.
  • Lifting restrictions on clergy to officiate at, and on congregations to host, weddings between adults of the same gender.
  • Eliminating from the UMC’s Social Principles the assertion that homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching.
  • Broadening the definition of marriage to be between either a man and a woman or two consenting adults.

“These significant actions and the UMC’s witness to the ecumenical vocation we share come as we celebrate 15 years of full communion,” Eaton said.

Read the full letter.

Wednesday, May 1, 2024

United Methodists Vote Overwhelmingly Against the Scriptures

 

WELS is way ahead of the United Methodists. The Wisconsin sect gave divine calls to all the participants in the plagiarized, gay, Party in the USA, courtesy Fire Island.


United Methodists repeal longstanding ban on LGBTQ clergy


CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — United Methodist delegates repealed their church’s longstanding ban on LGBTQ clergy with no debate on Wednesday, removing a rule forbidding “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” from being ordained or appointed as ministers.

Delegates voted 692-51 at their General Conference — the first such legislative gathering in five years. That overwhelming margin contrasts sharply with the decades of controversy around the issue. Past General Conferences of the United Methodist Church had steadily reinforced the ban and related penalties amid debate and protests, but many of the conservatives who had previously upheld the ban have left the denomination in recent years, and this General Conference has moved in a solidly progressive direction.

Applause broke out in parts of the convention hall Wednesday after the vote. A group of observers from LGBTQ advocacy groups embraced, some in tears. “Thanks be to God,” said one.

Applause broke out in parts of the convention hall Wednesday after the vote. A group of observers from LGBTQ advocacy groups embraced, some in tears. “Thanks be to God,” said one.


Andy Stanley, son of Charles Stanley, is adored by Babtists and WELS, too. United Methodists paid to get their conservatives leaving, which the conservatives did.
The Big Five - ELCA-LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC (sic) are together, and they accept gubmint mandated laxity in their schools.


Friday, January 5, 2024

United Methodists and Episcopalians in America Are Nothing
Compared To Their African Counter Parts




The Episcopalians in America have a lot in common with the Methodists here - they are shrinking fast while their African counterparts are growing. American managers are radical Leftwing, and the Africans are the opposite. 

Now that the United Methodists have given the Left Foot of Fellowship to the conservatives leaving the denomination, will the African churches - with many more members - resist American leadership?



ELCA is diverse!


Thursday, December 28, 2023

7,700 United Methodist Congregations Have Voted To Leave Holy Mother - American Spectator

 Conservative Methodist Exit Nears End Point


In the largest U.S. church schism since Civil War times, nearly 7,700 churches of the roughly 30,000 in the United Methodist Church (UMC) have voted to take their property and go elsewhere.

The issue of contention in the 19th century was slavery. Today, in the UMC, it’s LGBTQ-related issues. Liberals have been defying denominational rules banning same-sex marriages and the ordination of “self-avowed practicing homosexuals,” and conservatives have been taking advantage of a temporary rule passed in 2019 that allows their congregations to vote on whether to leave, taking their property and buildings with them.

The number of leavers is greater than expected — Methodist insider Mark Tooley earlier this year put the low-ball number at 3,000 leavers, with an upper limit of 5,000. In actuality, a massive rush for the door by 5,642 departing congregations in 2023, the last year the deal is in effect, brings the current total to 7,659.

How Things Got to This Point

The UMC, as a church body, has resisted the tsunami of LGBTQ fervor that has swept through the rest of liberal Protestantism. Indeed, it has endorsed at every general convention since its initially passing in 1972 a stricture in the denomination’s Book of Discipline that declared the practice of homosexuality “incompatible with Christian teaching.”

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GJ - Religious journalists fail to trace this debacle back to the Methodists embracing the Social Gospel Movement, political activism, and rationalism. Just like ELCA, LCMS, and WELS - the Methodists protected their apostates and railed against anyone who dared murmur against the trendy usurpers. 

In Three Giant Steps -

I. Repudiating the Traditional Hebrew and Greek texts of the Bible, followed by "translations" from idiots, illiterates, and snake-oil salesmen.

II. Replacing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with activist causes, always careful to finesse doctrine into the latest Left-wing fad.

III. Tossing the basics of the Scriptures aside, except for raising money, the managers suddenly abandon the Creation, normal clothes, and traditional marriage.

In 1987, my wife and I left the Lutheran Church in America: everything was that obvious... 36 years ago.




Friday, August 18, 2023

United Methodist Church Arrogantly Allows Its Conservative Congregations To Leave the Sect - To Reward the Officials for Their Apostasy

 

Christian colleges are selling their assets to nearby schools. LCMS is accelerating its Geronimo exits.

The Florida United Methodist Conference is letting some parishes leave, as long as they leave a dowry behind. I could mention that none of the Left-wing officials are true to their founders or the Scriptures.

The following churches were approved for disaffiliation, pending completion of all exit requirements.

Atlantic Central District  
ChurchCityExit Obligation
Canal PointCanal Point$25,538
CommunityBelle Glade $50,069
Community of Hope Loxahatchee $863,246
Georgianna Merritt Island $349,157
Roseland Roseland $88,091
   
East Central District  
CommunityDeBary $88,286
DeLeon SpringsDeLeon Springs$25,358
Dundee  Dundee  $45,033
First  Clermont $422,894
FirstDeLand  $233,109
FirstTavares $171,972
Pine Castle Orlando  $460,335
   
Gulf Central District  
Alturas Alturas $15,385
Bay Hope Lutz  $1,135,566
FirstLutz$146,535
New HopeBrandon$421,470
Palma CeiaTampa$293,576
Sylvan AbbeyClearwater$48,414
Tampa KoreanTampa$139,350
   
North Central District  
Crystal RiverCrystal River$135,053
Grace at Ft. ClarkeGainesville$266,878
Little Chapel-SantosOcala$23,082
New HopeCitra$4,491
Spring LifeSpring Hil$233,984
   
North East District  
FaithJacksonville$65,157
FirstCallahan$36,591
Lakewood   Jacksonville$358,990
MiddleburgMiddleburg $97,068
PiersonPierson  $33,677
RiverdaleSt. Augustine$18,602
St. JamesPalatka$79,258
WelakaWelaka$4,500
   
North West District  
FirstAlachua$114,126
FirstLake City$93,433
Deer LakeTallahassee$134,798
KillearnTallahassee$463,857
SalemHavanah$63,585
WaukeenahMonticello$24,039
   
South East District  
CommunityMarathon$53,053
Korean American of S FloridaTamarac$152,573
North Hialeah HispanicHialeah$44,957
   
South West District  
AlvaAlva$56,061
ChristLehigh Acres$107,004
ChristVenice$460,688
EdgewaterPort Charlotte$189,310
EnglewoodEnglewood$381,681
EsteroEstero$291,889
FirstMoore Haven$40,254
FirstSebring$209,446
FirstClewiston$69,775
GraceCape Coral$609,539
OnecoBradenton$61,912
Port CharlottePort Charlotte$182,934
St. James/New BeginningsSarasota$69,192
St. JohnSebring$112,721


Joe Henderson is the News Content Editor for FLUMC.org
jhenderson@flumc.org


Thursday, September 1, 2022

United Methodists Paid Their Conservatives To Get Out of Dodge!

Mirthless Mark Schroeder continues the WELS formula of deformation theology: despising Luther's Biblical theology, buying the atrocious, butchered NIV paraphrase, selling a Calvinist hymnal.


What did I write about WELS-ELS-LCMS copying ELCA's ordination standards - years ago?

 Diaper-changing academies are portrayed as evangelism and Christian education, but there is no genuine attempt to have a school.

 The least able are promoted to permanent positions of power.

After years of wrangling, the warring parties in the fading United Methodist Church have agreed to send the conservatives packing with a large sum of cash.

Denomination numbers are always questionable. In comparison, the Lutheran Church in America claimed over 3 million members in 1987, when they merged with The American Lutheran Church - 2 million plus, with a side helping of Seminex (AELC). Thirty-five years after the ELCA merger, they boast 3+ million members, losing roughly the entire ALC after promoting numerous "evangelism" programs, Fuller-based, joint efforts with the WELS-LCMS, funded by Lutheran insurance.

Christian News, under Herman Otten, published Kurt Marquart's excellent booklet against the ravages of Fuller Seminary's idiocies. Fuller shrank too, haha.





 Note the ambiguous smile.



But Otten also promoted David Valleskey's groveling ode to Fuller and Church Growth, selling it through his numerous connections. WELS told its failing congregations to buy a copy, the only time I recall that the sect made a book required reading for all the congregations.

I have noticed that videos of ELCA and WELS celebrations are quite similar, half-empty congregations - even though they are supposed to be large scale or historic events. The services are lame, dreary, and more like the funeral of a notorious family member.



Saturday, July 16, 2016

United Methodists Elect First Openly Homosexual Bishop - Defying Their Own Rules

The Rev. Karen Oliveto accepts her election by the Western Jurisdiction as a United Methodist bishop. Oliveto is currently the senior pastor at Glide Memorial United Methodist Church in San Francisco, Calif. Her wife, Robin Ridenour, stands behind her.


By Kathy L. Gilbert
July 15, 2016 | SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (UMNS)
The Rev. Karen Oliveto, senior pastor of Glide Memorial Church in San Francisco, has been elected as the first openly lesbian United Methodist bishop by delegates at the Western Jurisdictional Conference.
Oliveto, 58, was elected July 15 at the jurisdiction’s quadrennial meeting in Scottsdale, Arizona. She was elected on the 17th ballot with 88 votes after the Rev. Dottie Escobedo-Frank and the Rev. Walter “Skip” Strickland withdrew from the election. The Rev. Frank Wulf, another openly gay candidate, had withdrawn earlier. 
“I think at this moment I have a glimpse of the realm of God. I want to thank the candidates who I have journeyed with these past few days, for the grace with which we walked with each other. And know I stand before you because of the work and prayers of so many, especially those saints who yearned to live for this day, who blazed a trail where there was none, who are no longer with us, and yet whose shoulders I stand on,” Oliveto said after her election.
She especially thanked the delegates of the Western Jurisdiction “who dared to live into this Kairos moment. Today we took a step closer to embody beloved community and while we may be moving there, we are not there yet. We are moving on to perfection,” Oliveto said.
She said as along as people “walk by our churches and wonder” if they belong, because of race, sexuality orientation, ethnicity, social class or immigration status, then “we have work to do.”
“Are we able? Yes. Amen,” Oliveto said.
Bishop Melvin Talbert, retired from the Western Jurisdiction, said he wasn’t sure he would ever live to see the day when the church would elect an openly gay bishop.
“This means our church — at least part of our church — has finally come to the realization that there is no longer any place for exclusion. We are all children of God regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation or abilities. We would be blessed to invite all God’s people to their rightful place at the table.”
In a statement issued following Oliveto’s election, Bishop Bruce R. Ough, president of the United Methodist Council of Bishops, said, “This election raises significant concerns and questions of church polity and unity.”
Ough clarified that the Council of Bishops does not have constitutional authority to intervene in the election, but “is monitoring this situation very closely.”
He acknowledged that some in the church will view this election as a violation of church law and a significant step toward a split, while others will consider it a milestone toward being a more inclusive church. 
“Our differences are real and cannot be glossed over, but they are also reconcilable,” Ough said. “We are confident God is with us, especially in uncharted times and places.”
The Book of Discipline, the church's lawbook, bans "self-avowed practicing homosexuals" from ordination, but many gay clergy came out before General Conference 2016. Several annual conferences in 2016 passed resolutions not to conform with any church laws seen to discriminate against LGBTQ people. 
On the heels of Oliveto’s election, members of the South Central Jurisdiction voted late on July 15 to ask the Judicial Council for a declaratory decision regarding same-sex church leaders.
There was some immediate negative reaction to Oliveto’s election.
The Rev. Rob Renfroe, president of Good News, an evangelical United Methodist organization that upholds the church’s current stance on homosexuality issues, said the election and other actions by annual conference this summer ignored the Council of Bishops' proposal for a commission to examine all church law dealing with human sexuality. Renfroe said that proposal called for a “pause for prayer to step back from attempts at legislative solutions and to intentionally seek God's will for the future.”
“Instead, these conferences have moved ahead with legislative enactments pledging non-conformity with the Book of Discipline, culminating in the election of a practicing homosexual as bishop,” said Renfroe. “If the Western Jurisdiction wanted to push the church to the brink of schism, they could not have found a more certain way of doing so.”
But the reaction at the Western Jurisdiction was a celebration.
“We just blew the socks off the denomination,” said Lynn Magnuson, laity from the Pacific Northwest Conference.
Wesley Hingano said, “It is a beautiful day.” His father, the Rev. Sisofina Hingano, was also a candidate for bishop. When Hingano withdrew his name from the ballot, he said he was doing it so people like his son could walk through the doors to freedom in the church.
“I want to see gay and lesbian people walk freely,” he said.
The social media messages in the last few days have been full of fear, said the Rev. Jeremy Smith, minister of Discipleship at First United Methodist Church, Portland, Oregon.
“All I have heard today are messages full of hope. I have two girls under the age of 4 and I am excited they will grow up in (a) United Methodist Church that tells them whatever they are, they can follow God's call at every level of our beloved church,” Smith said.
Lonnie Brooks, Alaska Conference, said the election of Oliveto was the Western Jurisdiction declaring its independence from The United Methodist Church.
“A lot of folks will look at it and think that is what they intend. What they haven’t given much thought to is that this will also cause a split in the West. We have some of the strongest red states here,” Brooks said, sounding a note of caution.
The Rev. William Lawrence — former president of the Judicial Council, the church’s top court — said before Oliveto was elected that if an openly gay person were elected bishop, anyone in the denomination could file a complaint. Some evidence, such as a wedding license, would be needed to merit processing of the complaint, he added.
The Rev. Thomas Lambrecht, vice president of Good News, said the Western and Northeastern Juridiction’s actions “effectively renouncing their connection to the rest of global United Methodism” mean that  evangelicals and traditionalists within the church will be conferring in the next few days to agree upon responses to what he called “this grave breach of unity.”
“If our covenant is no longer in force, we will be forced to live into a new reality in our denomination,” he said.
Reconciling Ministries Network, an unofficial United Methodist organization that advocates for LGBTQ (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer) “celebrates with great joy the election of the first openly lesbian bishop in The United Methodist Church.”
“This is an historic moment in the movement of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queer (LGBTQ) persons for spiritual and civil equality both in the church and the public square,” the group said in a statement.
With the retirement of Bishop Warner J. Brown Jr., the Western Jurisdiction only had one bishop to elect. Oliveto was elected by the 100 delegates, an equal number of United Methodist clergy and laity, from the 12 states that form the Western Jurisdiction. The assignments of bishops in the Western Jurisdiction for the next four years will be announced later in the week. Her four-year term of service begins Sept. 1.
Oliveto is married to Robin Ridenour, who is a deaconess in California-Nevada Conference
Oliveto, nominated by the California-Nevada Conference, began her ministry as pastor of Bloomville (N.Y.) United Methodist and has served as a campus minister at San Francisco State, pastor of Bethany United Methodist in San Francisco and a faculty member at the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley. She is a two-time General Conference delegate, a five-time Jurisdictional Conference delegate and serves on the board of the United Methodist Council of Finance and Administration. She is also an adjunct professor of United Methodist Studies at the Pacific School of Religion. She has been at Glide since 2008. She is a graduate of Pacific School of Religion and Drew University.
A consecration service for the new bishop will be held Saturday, July 16, at 2 p.m. at Paradise Valley United Methodist Church. The ceremony can be watched live at the Western Jurisdiction’s website.
Within the United States, local United Methodist churches are organized into increasingly larger groups: numerous districts, dozens of annual conferences and five jurisdictions (regions). Five active bishops now lead the eight annual conferences that form the Western Jurisdiction.

A United Methodist bishop is elected for life. Typically, a bishop will serve in a specific annual conference for eight years. The United Methodist Book of Discipline, the denomination’s law book, directs each bishop to “guard the faith, order, liturgy, doctrine and discipline of the Church” and to “lead all persons entrusted to their oversight in worship, in the celebration of the sacraments, and in their mission of witness and service in the world.” Bishops also are to be “prophetic voices and courageous leaders in the cause of justice for all people.”
The states represented in this jurisdiction are: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wyoming.