ELS-WELS-LCMS Agree with ELCA

Pastor Jay Webber (ELS) and WELS District President Jon-Boy Buchholz appeared together at the Emmaus Conference to repeat their synods' Objective Justification nonsense.

ELS - We Believe, Teach and Confess

"By His perfect life and His innocent sufferings and death Jesus has redeemed the entire world. God thereby reconciled the world to Himself, and by the resurrection of His Son declared it to be righteous in Christ. This declaration of universal righteousness is often termed “objective justification.” One has this justification as a personal possession and is personally declared by God to be righteous in Christ when he or she is brought to faith in Him as Savior. This is often called “subjective justification”. If the objective fact of Christ’s atonement is not personally received by faith, then it has no saving benefit for the individual. We reject as unscriptural any teaching that people can be saved apart from faith in Jesus Christ. See 1 John 2:2, 2 Cor. 5:19, John 1:29, 2 Pet. 2:1, John 3:16-18, 2 Cor. 5:19, Rom. 4:25, 1:17 and 5:1-2."

Romans 

Romans 4:25 does not teach OJ, because the complete sentence teaches Justification by Faith - 

"KJV Romans 4:23-25 - 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification."

Romans 1:17 emphasizes faith in Jesus Christ. That does not mean believing they are already forgiven and righteous.

KJV Romans 1:17 - "17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."

KJV Romans 5:1-2 - "5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

2 Corinthians

2 Corinthians 5:19 - "19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Like many of their bogus proofs from CFW Walther - the thief, riot manager, and kidnapper - 1 Corinthians 5:19 does not equate the Atonement with Justification by Faith. 

Rambach, Webber, and 1 Timothy 3:16

Another one of the ELS favorite false proofs (from Jay Webber hisself) is KJV 1 Timothy 3:16, blatantly trying to equate the Atonement with Justification by Faith..

"16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Webber jumped into a discussion with his quote from the Pietist Rambach, where the following absurdity comes from - "the world was absolved of all sin the moment Jesus rose from the dead." Webber argued the Pietist notion against Martin Chemnitz, Luther's student and Book of Concord editor.

John 3:16-18

"KJV John 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

This destroys the ELS argument completely, because God loving the world is His nature, but those who do not believe are already condemned. Just as they confuse the Atonement with Justification, so these Pietists merge God's love with Universalism.

I remain baffled that the ELS leaders proclaim their errors on their website. Even stranger is the ELS, WELS, and LCMS rejoicing in their mutual false doctrine, with the same doctrinal discernment as the Universalist ELCA.

ELS, LCMS, and WELS formally agreed on Objective Justification. Here is some satire for the humorless OJists.

The Universalist Absurdities

The Little Three - ELS, WELS, and LCMS - have dumped Walter A. Maier, a Harvard PhD in the Old Testament - in favor of ELCA Pietism. Everyone knows - Anything Goes.

Quenstedt on Justification. The Real Issue Is - What does the Word of God Teach?

 Dr. Robert Preus said he loved Quenstedt's style so much
that he wanted to name a son "Quenstedt."

A Lutheran Out West:

FYI: I found an online copy of Heinrich Schmid's "Doctrinal Theology". [GJ - As did I.]

Fascinating!

I gather the UOJ people condemn Schmid? [GJ - Glende's fake blog condemned me merely for linking the web version of Schmid's excellent book full of orthodox Lutheran quotations.]

The citations in the book never separate justification from the imputation of Christ's righteousness. But UOJ demands such a separation! I noticed that in my conversation with Steve Flo, though I did not fully grasp the significance of it at the time. I found the following quote from Quenstedt in the book, which is excellent. Do the UOJ adherents believe that Quenstedt was "not Lutheran", as they claim about Hunnius? My Kindle reader shows this to be from page 390 of the book, chapter on Justification:

"QUEN.

(ib.): “These parts (so to speak) are not different or distinct essentially (τω ειναι), but merely logically (τω λογω); for the imputation of Christ’s righteousness is essentially nothing else than the remission of sins, and the remission of sins is nothing else than the imputation of Christ’s righteousness, so that either word separately taken expresses the whole nature of justification. 

Whence the apostle Paul, Rom. 4, interchanges the forgiveness of sins and the imputation of righteousness in his description of justification, which he sometimes defines as the forgiveness of sins, and sometimes as the imputation of righteousness. For, as it can properly be said that at one and the same time, and by one and the same action, the expulsion of darkness from the atmosphere is the introduction of light, so one and the same wicked man, at one and the same time, and by the very same act of justification, is both freed from guilt and pronounced righteous."

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GJ - 

http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2012/05/book-of-concord-selections-martin.html

From Bruce Church - The Error of Missouri and Lutheran Seminary Costs

Various Formats - The Error of Missouri


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H. Schmid - Doctrinal Theology of the Evangelical Lutheran Church

Text Version of Doctrinal Theology - Perfect for Copy and Paste

HTML Version of Doctrinal Theology - Webpage friendly

Another PDF of Doctrinal Theology

 One ELS pastor thought this graphic was misleading,
because the Calvinist translator Woods used these words
to explain Knapp. The point of this graphic is to show that
the beloved terms Subjective Justification and Objective
Justification came from Pietism and Calvinism -
not Luther, not the Concordists, not the orthodox Lutherans.
I was quite clear about this in 2010 and thereafter.
Here is precise information  about Knapp and Woods from 2008.

What is the real issue? That ELCA-WELS-LCMS-ELS-CLC (sic) leaders teach the cowardly Universalism of rationalist Pietism, against the Justification by Faith of -

1. The Scriptures 
2. Luther - especially the Galatians Lectures, commended by the BoC.
3. Melanchthon
4. Chemnitz and his fellow editors of the Book of Concord
5. Gerhard, who worked to complete Chemntiz Harmony
6. Calov, whose Bible commentary was treasured by Bach
7. Missouri's 1905 German catechism
8. Gausewitz' catechism, and
9. Dr. Robert Preus' Justification and Rome.

As I wrote to Out West, he is asking the wrong questions. The UOJ advocates start with their own man-made traditions and filter everything through those traditions. Americans are looking for doctrinal clarity from the Word of God, but their next ridiculous conference is about Walther (UOJ), Koren (Norwegian Pietist), and Hoenecke (Halle University graduate, mentored by a Universalist - Tholuck).

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Sure, the Great Walther was a real Luther, teaching Halle Pietism and sailing to America with a kidnapped niece and nephew, not to mention a bishop without a college degree and the bishop's mistress next door.

The 10th Annual Emmaus Conference is Friday, April 28th, 2017, with a banquet the evening prior on Thursday, April 27th. The topic for the 2017 Emmaus Conference will be: “The Unsuspecting American Luthers”. The backgrounds, challenges, and impact of several Lutheran theologians in the 20^th Century will be explored and discussed.

• C. F. W. Walther, by the Rev. Dr. VP Daniel Preus
• A. Hoenecke, by the Rev. Dr. Prof. John Brenner
• U. V. Koren, by the Rev. Prof. Markos DeGarmeaux

Daniel Preus

John Brenner

Markos DeGarmeaux

2016 Emmaus Topic & Speakers

December 26, 2015

The 2016 topic for the Emmaus Conference is entitled, “Are We Experiencing the Lutheran Reformation Eve or Twilight?” We are excited to have the Rev. Dr. Lawrence Rast, Jr. from Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, Indiana, as our lecturer.

Lawrence Rast, Jr.

Dr. Lawrence Rast serves as the sixteenth president of Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne and is a professor of American Christianity and American Lutheranism. Dr. Rast joined the Department of Historical Theology in the fall of 1996 after serving as pastor of Ascension Lutheran Church, Madison, Tennessee (1992-96).
The following speakers will give the lecture and reactions.
2016 Emmaus Conference Speakers:

• Lecturer: The Rev. Dr. Lawrence Rast (LC-MS)
• Reactor: The Rev. Pres. Paul Wendland (WELS)
• Reactor: The Rev. Prof. Erling Teigen (ELS)

Our Righteousness before God

December 23, 2015

The theme of the 2015 Emmaus Conference proved a timely topic. “Our Righteousness Before God…Is Revealed in the Gospel. On this Righteousness Faith Relies.”

The lecture was given by the Reverend David Jay Webber in two parts.

• Part I: Why Objective Justification Mattered to the Reformers
• Part II: Why Objective Justification Matters to Us

The title is a direct quotation from FC SD III:57. Part I dealt with the patristic evidence and with the issues of the Reformation. Part II dealt with the issues of the Synodical Conference conflict with synergists and pietists, and with today’s issues.

What is the name of Article III, the Formula of Concord?

Answer - The Righteousness of Faith.

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Matthew 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Jar Jar Webber said he proved that Luther taught Objective Justification. I wonder why Jaroslav Pelikan, editor of Luther's Works would say about that sloppy, lazy, tendentious essay. Pelikan and many real scholars - not brain-damaged by Walther worship - know that Luther taught Justification by Faith.

 Webber mentioned the Galatians Lectures in his
error-filled rant, but he has never shown any knowledge of the content of that book.

Boycott the Emmaus UOJ Conference - Or Turn Out in Droves

One does not simply defend Justification Without Faith.

We just came back from the site of the next Emmaus Conference, where all three synods will gather to promote Justification Without Faith, Universal Objective Justification.

A friend said, "I would pay money to see you at the mike."

I am tempted, but not much. I have no use for the manipulations and abuse of WELS, the LCMS, and the ELS. They are like the Ringwraiths chasing the One Ring and swirling down together into Mt. Doom.

UOJ is their One Ring. The SynCon leaders are afraid of losing that magical token, which empowers them to defend clergy adulterers and predators, while excommunicating those who question their dogma, their corruption, and their trail of destruction.

The Snoqualmie Falls are near the Emmaus Conference, Seattle area.
We stayed at the inn in the background.

If people really oppose the anti-Christian UOJ message, they should turn out in droves or boycott the conference entirely. Either statement would rattle the snakes.

I am glad that the laity have smoked out the false teachers, who feel they must defend their blasphemy as a step toward uniting the Synodical Conference again. All three sects know they are doomed. Look at the garbage they are shamelessly promoting!

The SynCons have returned to Medieval Romanism, where the ignorant sit passively in church while the clergy entertain them. As Martin Chemnitz said, "It is either a comedy or a tragedy." No wonder the bright clergy skip out to EO and Rome, where they do a much better job of it and add incense as well. That has to smell better than Ski's gardening clothes.

New Book for Emmaus
I will prepare a new book for this conference, laying out the differences between the Gospel of the Bible and the blasphemies of UOJ.

I will also do a lot more in describing study books for the topic.

Josie's Christmas cat.

Wonder Why WELS Is So Mixed Up? Two Namby-Pamby Responses to Mrs. Mueller's Dress

Madam Mueller, a WELS pastor,is the son of Wayne Mueller:both are UOJ Stormtroopers.

http://welsdocument.blogspot.com/2014/12/wels-cross-dressing-when-does-fun-cross.html#comment-form

1. Pastor SpencerDecember 23, 2014 at 10:03 AM

   Comment? Hmmmm . . . I think that if someone in the congregation I serve came up with a similar idea and pitched it to me as the shepherd here, I would most likely answer with:
   
   "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect." (Romans 12:2)
   
   "As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance. (1 Peter 1:14)
   
   And not in a legalistic manner, but just asking the person or persons if they think such an idea would fit in with our proclamation of the Gospel. I'm pretty sure I know the answer I would get.
   
   But hey, to each their own.

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2. 
   Nicholas MyraDecember 24, 2014 at 12:21 AM

   Weird. Bizarre. Taking "fun and games" a tad too far. Best construction I can put on it.

   Reply

Parlow, Witte, and others started WELS Church and Church
to promote the morals and dogma of Fuller Seminary.
Since then it has spread faster than Ebola in a cross-wind.

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   Pastors with a little spine tried to keep Gunn's parish out of WELS.
   Jon Buchholz pulled him in.
   Watch Buchie perform with Jay Webber--a putative opponent
   of Church Growth--at the Emmaus UOJ Conference.

   
   
   
   

   

   Don't look now, Wayne, but your son
   is a Church and Change lecturer,
   aka Church Growth fanatic.

Wut?

1. Echo MountainDecember 24, 2014 at 12:31 PM

   I can't find the name of the owner/s of this blog, where can I find that? What are your names? Are you currently in the WELS?
   
   Thank you.

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   WELS DocumentedDecember 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM

   Hi Echo Mountain. Several times on this blog we've spoken of who we are, though we haven't given our names. Reading the post, "Finally, Introducing the WELS Documenters." As I repeated recently on this blog, I am a WELS pastor of more than two decades, and the person who takes care most of the documenting and computer work is a former WELS member who has recently returned to worship in the WELS. I hope this helps you.

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GJ - In the future, Echo Mountain, ask anonymously for their mothers' maiden names, the last four of their Socials, and their blood types. Isn't Echo Mountain in Phoenix? Thanks for that much.