Showing posts with label Steve Flo. Show all posts
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Thursday, October 8, 2015

Jay Webber and Steve Flo - Own This or Deny It - This Is What UOJ Teaches



In contrast, Luther in the Book of Concord -

38] For neither you nor I could ever know anything of Christ, or believe on Him, and obtain Him for our Lord, unless it were offered to us and granted to our hearts by the Holy Ghost through the preaching of the Gospel. The work is done and accomplished; for Christ has acquired and gained the treasure for us by His suffering, death, resurrection, etc. But if the work remained concealed so that no one knew of it, then it would be in vain and lost. That this treasure, therefore, might not lie buried, but be appropriated and enjoyed, God has caused the Word to go forth and be proclaimed, in which He gives the Holy Ghost to bring this treasure home and appropriate it to us. 39] Therefore sanctifying is nothing else than bringing us to Christ to receive this good, to which we could not attain of ourselves.


UOJists Are Getting Boiling Mad, But Cannot Make a Case for Universal Forgiveness without Faith

"I believe in the Chief Article of Christianity."
One of these statues is a bit different.
LCMS Pastor Steve Flo decided to pick a fight with me about justification. I have been writing about the issue for the last 15 years and knew about it since 1987 when Christian News had many articles about Kokomo and Universal Objective Justification.

Otten picked up on the Flo link, so I went to Flo's Facebook page and spent some time arguing for justification by faith. No one can harmonize the doctrine of Paul and Luther with the dogma of Halle University. Flo did not even try. He simply repeated the UOJ talking points and cute classroom quips learned in school.



Justification by faith is Biblical and well known among all scholars of all nations. UOJ is rationalistic and anti-Christian, largely hid from the members of Missouri, WELS, the Little Sect on the Prairie, and the almost-dead Church of the Lutheran Confession (sic).

Although Missouri leaders follow the false doctrine of Stephan-Walther-Pieper, a large swath of Missouri pastors disdain UOJ and teach justification by faith. Robert Preus clearly taught UOJ in his earlier career, when Church Growth was blossoming at Ft. Wayne - with his approval. But Preus' last book, Justification and Rome, repudiated UOJ in the clearest possible terms, not only in his quotations of orthodox Lutherans, but also in his own words.

Walther was not a Biblical scholar. I recently read that he did not know the Biblical languages well. He only had a bachelor's degree from Leipzig, where most of the faculty were rationalistic and considered believers to be mystics or Pietists. Walther's father was a rationalist, too. Walther followed his brother's lead and lined up with one dictatorial Pietist, Candidate Kuehn, and then another, Pastor Martin Stephan, after Kuehn died. When Stephan was tried for immorality with young women and put under house arrest, with police officers stationed in his house, the Pietist leader decided to decamp to America. The young clergy helped organize the mass migration and the older clergy stayed home.

Missouri likes to skip over the years between landing in New Orleans and forming the synod years later. Walther did not want a history written and almost nothing was done to cross him until Zion on the Mississippi was published, a doctoral dissertation of considerable detail and frankness.

Missouri was very much a blend of Pietism and Lutheran Orthodoxy, much like the Augustana Synod and the other groups that came over. Each one struggled with its Lutheran identity and became more Lutheran and less Pietistic and Unionistic. However, Pietism is a cancer that eats away at the Confessional and Biblical nature of Luther, the Book of Concord, and the post-Concord greats like Gerhard.

In contrast, Luther and Melanchthon were primarily Biblical scholars who taught by explaining the Scriptures directly, not by stating a thesis and citing a Biblical passage - for example in Missouri today, everyone on earth is forgiven without and before faith, Rom 4:25 - raised for our justification! That malapropism is found in the 1932 Brief Confession of the LCMS, now engraved in marble in the ossified hearts of Missouri Synod Walther fans.

Walther fans do not deal with the historical context of CFW's errors and his covering for Stephan's blatant adultery. Walther had no problem following a leader who took his mistress on the ship with him and parked her in the next cabin, near his eldest son! And the Great Walther signed Stephan's call to be bishop-for-life in New Orleans. So much to hide from the laity.

Walther's Pietism is denied. His poor education in rationalism and Pietism is overlooked. Instead, they make Walther the Rosetta Stone of theology, explaining all points and translating every possible obscure reference for us. Needless to say, the most frantic UOJ fan has a discussion blog called Reclaiming Walther. A newer, stinkier version is called Steadfast Lutherans, where posts on justification by faith are removed and this little blog cannot even be mentioned.

The bloated senior editor of Steadfast refers to those supporting justification by faith as "morons." So Luther and the Concordists are morons? How mature. And his junior editor covered up for the notorious sex offender Darwin Schauer when Matt Harrison demanded the threads be erased. Call it company culture. They covered up for Martin Stephan's obvious crimes - he installed a young mistress in his parsonage in Dresden, and re-installed her when Mrs. Stephan kicked her out. The Missouri founders did not see Stephan's syphilis or notice that he was always walking in the woods with young women in the middle of the night. The young women, including Walther's niece, were hanging around Stephan in St. Louis. The neighbors got very suspicious, and soon they were in Perryville, Missouri.

The Steadfast Lutherans were silenced (almost) and decimated by WELS, but Mark and Avoid Jeske's Change or Die! Conference is just fine with Mark the Mortician Schroeder. WELS has forged new bonds with ELCA that will never be broken. Dost thou not see how Pietism has triumphed in the LCMS, WELS, and ELS? They agree in doctrine with ELCA - Walther's dream - the entire world is forgiven without faith. They rejoice in their teaching to sin more that grace may abound.

But now - let's focus on the truth of the Scriptures. These may be familiar. I only do this to get people back into Luther and the Confessions, to see which Lutherans are faithful to the Word of God.

Ft. Wayne quip - "You are not a Christian. You are a Faithian."
What does Luther say?


Jay Webber and Steve Flo -
can you read this plain English from your seminary president?

Steadfast Pietists - repent.

Imputation means counted.
Please read Romans 4:24, then 4:25.

Imputed, counted, reckoned - all from the same Greek word.
Can the UOJ fanatics sit down and read the Greek New Testament?
I think not.

UOJists in WELS never noticed DP Werner reliving Stephan
or Valleskey promoting Church Growth with equal ardor.

Walther has the last word, as always, quoted by the Little Sect on the Prairie,
Jay Webber's tiny group.
Walther was definitely a Halle Pietist and - via Seminex -
 a founder of ELCA.


Wednesday, October 7, 2015

UOJists Are Fighting Back with Herman Otten's Help.
Their Secret Love's No Secret Anymore


III. The Righteousness of Faith


6] This article concerning justification by faith (as the Apology says) is the chief article in the entire Christian doctrine, without which no poor conscience can have any firm consolation, or can truly know the riches of the grace of Christ, as Dr. Luther also has written: If this only article remains pure on the battlefield, the Christian Church also remains pure, and in goodly harmony and without any sects; but if it does not remain pure, it is not possible that any error or fanatical spirit can be resisted.

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https://www.facebook.com/christiannewsmo?fref=nf

UNIVERSAL OBJECTIVE JUSTIFICATION
- OR -
THE RICHEST POOR PEOPLE WHO EVER LIVED!
How is it possible for the wealthiest father in the world to legally bequeath his entire estate to his son, but his son remains poor? Easy! The son merely has to refuse what is his. Legally he is rich, but practically speaking he is poor. You could say he is the Richest Poor Person who ever lived.  

And so it is with God our heavenly Father. He has bequeathed his entire estate to everyone through Jesus Christ our Lord. Practically speaking most refuse to believe it so, sadly, most remain poor. You could say, those who are lost and going to hell are the Richest Poor People who ever lived. Both are true at the same time.

Those who deny Universal Objective Justification are so locked up and logged jammed into legalistically thinking "either/or", they will not see the biblical truth of "both/and". Their Gospel then becomes one of, "I believe that if I believe then I'll be saved", rather than, "God has saved me! My faith is created by that powerful and unconditional Word.” 

In conclusion, those who deny Universal Objective Justification falsely assume it is impossible for God to declare the world forgiven and at the same time condemn those who "refuse" it. But that is precisely what God does. Jesus proves this at the cross when He prays, "Father, forgive them, they know not what they do” (Luke 23:34). God honored that prayer because the Son only prays that which the Father wills (John 14:10). And, at the same time, those who "refuse" to believe in God's reconciliation for the whole world (2 Cor. 5:19) are, indeed, lost (John 3:18). Both are true at the same time. Those who deny this Biblical “both/and" are letting reason run roughshod over Scripture and are, in effect, losing the pure Gospel.
Pastor Steven Flo
Grace
DeSoto, MO
stevenlflo@gmail.com

“Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but—more frequently than not—struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.”
—Martin Luther, Table Talks in 1569.
(Christian News, October 12, 2015)

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GJ - I know Otten and Flo personally. They are both wedded to the UOJ taught by Martin Stephan to CFW Walther, but that is not the doctrine of the Bible or the Reformation.

WELS agrees with them and even makes UOJ the Chief Article, so black is white, and anti-Christian is Christianity.


“The article of justification is the master and prince, the lord, the ruler, and the judge over all kinds of doctrines; it preserves and governs all church doctrine and raises up our consciences before God. Without this article the world is utter darkness and death.” (Martin Luther, What Luther Says, Vol. 2. p 703.)
After quoting Luther so effectively in the very first paragraph, Bivens corrected Paul, Luther, Melanchthon, Chemnitz, and the rest thus –
What precisely is this “master and prince, lord, ruler and judge” over other doctrines? Justification is a declaratory act of God, in which he pronounces sinners righteous. As revealed in the Bible, this declaration of God is made totally by grace and on account of Jesus Christ and his substitutionary life and death on behalf of mankind. To phrase it somewhat differently, God has justified acquitted or declared righteous the whole world of sinners. He has forgiven them. They have been reconciled to God; their status in his eyes has been changed from that of sinner to forgiven sinner for the sake of Jesus Christ. Since all this applies to all people, the term universal or general justification is used. In our circles an alternate term, objective justification, is also used. If justification is universal, it must also be objective - sinners are forgiven whether they believe it or not. This is precisely what Scripture teaches in Romans 3:23-24, when it says, “There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. “ All have sinned and all (sic) are justified freely by God’s grace. Ibid.
Bivens, like Valleskey, learned his Church Growth fanaticism at Mequon.