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Friday, April 26, 2013
Unanswered Questions
bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Book Busta Gut at Your Emergent Church":
Why the US allows 70,000 Muslims to immigrate into the US every year, thereby importing a terrorism problem: Only 52% of Evangelicals view Islam as a violent religion, while healthy majorities of everyone else (mainliners, agnostics, etc) believe that Islam is an essentially peaceful religion:
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/us.evangelicals.split.over.whether.islam.is.violent/32260.htm
Elders (ages 67 and older) are also less like likely than Mosaics (ages 18 to 28) to have a very favourable perception of the religion and are more likely to have a very unfavourable perception.
More than half of evangelical Christians (52 per cent) view Islam as "essentially a violent religion," a new report from Barna Group reveals, though only about a quarter (26 per cent) of all American adults feel the same way.
Despite the general perception of Islam within the evangelical community, 68 per cent of evangelicals agree with the statement: "Peace between Christians and Muslims is possible."
Researchers also found that 79 per cent of mainline Christians, 82 per cent of college graduates and 75 per cent of all American adults also believe such peace is possible.
The report indicates that those who associate with different religious groups tend to view Islam differently. Only 30 per cent of non-evangelical born again Christians, 26 per cent of Catholics and 20 per cent of people who are agnostic or have no faith also consider Islam to be violent. In contrast, 62 per cent of people who are agnostic or who have no faith agree that "Islam is essentially a peaceful religion," and 59 per cent of Catholics, 47 per cent of non-evangelical born again Christians and 27 per cent of evangelicals agree.
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Apostasy Is Like a Radio Frequency Burn - Burning from the Inside Out
By Norma Boeckler. |
rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Denominations Are Dead and Dying - Why That Matter...":
Apostasy is like a radio frequency burn. A hot stove burns from the outside of the flesh inward. Radio frequency burns from the inside out. Denominations do not matter because a Confession of Faith does not matter in today's Americanized Christianity. Apostasy is not a grass roots movement. The leaders sell the laity out for a bowl of watery gruel. Much of this was in its beginning stages even before non-denominational churches took the country by storm. When the Son of Man returns, will He find Faith?
KJV Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Extra Nos: Walther: The closer to Luther the better the theologian...unless
Extra Nos: Walther: The closer to Luther the better the theologian...unless:
Walther: The closer to Luther the better the theologian...unless
I have been looking over the Net on some striking Walther quotes.
How many times have I heard the famous C. F. W. Walther quote - the closer to Luther, the better the theologian?
Walther is held up as a guru by Synodical Lutherans; this pastor even said that the closer one is to Walther, the better is the theologian.
There is one example of fanatic if you ever want to find one.
During Walther's controversy on the doctrine of election, learned men frequently quoted to Walther the fathers of the Lutheran church. Here is what Walther said, you can find the full quote in here.
The principal means by which our opponents endeavor to support their doctrine, consists in continually quoting passages from the private writings of the fathers of our Church, published subsequent to the _Formula of Concord_. But whenever a controversy arises concerning the question, whether a doctrine is Lutheran, we must not ask: "What does this or that 'father' of the Lutheran Church teach in his private writings?" for he also may have fallen into error;
Those words of Walther are an epitome of the quip - take my advice, I am not using it.
In reality, what Walther really meant in practice was - the closer to Luther, the better the theologian, unless, the theologian teaches against me (because the said theologian must be in error).
The words in red are my interpretation of his behaviour on how he handled criticism. In fact his UOJ followers have the same attitude towards their critics... they must be wrong.
When a person falls for a fallacy, one does not stop at swallowing just one fallacious argument. The person invariably swallows the next one and the one after that and so on and on.
Here is another Walther quote from this site and IMHO, shows that Walther and Huber were cut from the same cloth.
We are not reconciled to God when we believe, but we are already redeemed, are already reconciled to God, so that we believe. This is also true regarding justification. The whole world is already justified in Christ. Faith is not the condition under which we are justified but the way and means by which we become partakers of the justification which God has long ago given us
There is the fallacy of misreading Romans 4:25.
A fish is caught through its mouth.
How many times have I heard the famous C. F. W. Walther quote - the closer to Luther, the better the theologian?
Walther is held up as a guru by Synodical Lutherans; this pastor even said that the closer one is to Walther, the better is the theologian.
There is one example of fanatic if you ever want to find one.
During Walther's controversy on the doctrine of election, learned men frequently quoted to Walther the fathers of the Lutheran church. Here is what Walther said, you can find the full quote in here.
The principal means by which our opponents endeavor to support their doctrine, consists in continually quoting passages from the private writings of the fathers of our Church, published subsequent to the _Formula of Concord_. But whenever a controversy arises concerning the question, whether a doctrine is Lutheran, we must not ask: "What does this or that 'father' of the Lutheran Church teach in his private writings?" for he also may have fallen into error;
Those words of Walther are an epitome of the quip - take my advice, I am not using it.
In reality, what Walther really meant in practice was - the closer to Luther, the better the theologian, unless, the theologian teaches against me (because the said theologian must be in error).
The words in red are my interpretation of his behaviour on how he handled criticism. In fact his UOJ followers have the same attitude towards their critics... they must be wrong.
When a person falls for a fallacy, one does not stop at swallowing just one fallacious argument. The person invariably swallows the next one and the one after that and so on and on.
Here is another Walther quote from this site and IMHO, shows that Walther and Huber were cut from the same cloth.
We are not reconciled to God when we believe, but we are already redeemed, are already reconciled to God, so that we believe. This is also true regarding justification. The whole world is already justified in Christ. Faith is not the condition under which we are justified but the way and means by which we become partakers of the justification which God has long ago given us
There is the fallacy of misreading Romans 4:25.
A fish is caught through its mouth.
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GJ - The little Walther book on Election is illuminating, because Walther teaches election without faith in his invented catechism and proves he is right by referring the reader to the same catechism.
Even worse, Walther quotes Luther constantly with the implication that Luther was talking about someone just like CFW.
Luther taught the Word, but Walther taught Walther.
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Wasting Money - A FEMA Priority
The Tridge in Midland, Michigan flooded too. The water is receding there, but not elsewhere. |
bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "WELS and the Episcopalian Liberals Love to Excommu...":
Why the flooding on the Mississippi and other places is bankrupting the US--FEMA continues to fix up flooded houses instead of demolishing them.
In towns, the majority of residents has a vote for a buy out, and prove that it is cheaper for FEMA to buy them out rather than just fix up the flooded houses flood after flood. Some towns are so backwards that they don't ever fill out the necessary forms, and in other towns, the majority don't want the flooded out residents to leave, but rather rebuild, or at least someone else rebuild in the same spot. If FEMA buys out a house, no one can rebuild there again. Thus, it's pure selfishness on the part of those residents who want to stay, and it's helping to bankrupt America:
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/a/161305/dutchtown-mo-under-siege-by-river-seeks-government-buyout/
But in order for that money to arrive, towns must prove that flooding is frequent and devastating enough for a buyout to be cost-effective, and Dutchtown hasn't filed a suitable one yet, said Melissa Janssen, mitigation branch chief for the FEMA region that includes Missouri.
Another southeast Missouri town, Morehouse, also considered a buyout after the 2011 flood but opted against it, even though 75 homes were so badly damaged they had to be demolished.
Mayor Pete Leija said city officials were put off by FEMA's prohibition of rebuilding on bought-out land.
"We don't need property all over town just sitting idle," Leija said.
Denominations Are Dead and Dying - Why That Matters to Lutherans
Cain and Abel - sepia by Norma Boeckler. |
But the issue is bigger than UOJ and Lutherans. In this Age of Apostasy, which will continue until Judgement Day, most denominational leaders are unbelieving apostates. The characteristics are obvious.
During the Reformation, the Church of Rome clearly represented unbelief. Anything that worked to scare the laity into giving money and working harder was embraced. Purgatory began to grow in lenth until it was assumed to last--for the most pious Carmelite nun--until Judgement Day.
WELS, Missouri, and the Little Sect on the Prairie are run by apostates, because they work with ELCA while pretending to be holier than those blokes. In addition, they have sold their souls to Thrivent and blessed that among their congregations, so the pittance given to a parish is hailed as manna from heaven.
Anyone in those four Lutheran sects is free to mock the Word of God and carry on as a wolf. In fact, the apostate lupine leaders love their apostate wolf-pastors. Engelbrecht and Buchholz are not the only ones. Seifert organizes Death Squads for anyone in the Intrepid Lutheran blogging group, but somehow missed all the predations of Church and Change for decades.
This explains why political tactics are wrong and useless. Many call themselves conservatives, but rely on maneuvers--doing things right--to get something done. The apostate leaders are happy to guide the gullible on timing and limits, as long as the proper response is enthusiastic agreement or profound contrition.
The dividing line is justification by faith, the Chief Article of Christianity, the Master and Prince of all the other articles. This distinction is not simply within Lutherdom but applies throughout Christendom as well.
We hear about the loud, noisy, obnoxious Babtist leaders like Ed (Two Masters and Two Doctorates) Stetzer. Or stealth Babtists who are gay activists like Andy Stanley. Watch that category grow in number. Or the generic leaders like Craig Groeschel, who could be anything.
Many Evangelicals are horrified by the money-grubbing tactics of their alleged superstars. I have tried UOJ out on some of them. They could not comprehend anyone falling for an obvious example of Universalism - their name.
I asked some to look over the NNIV, Romans 3. I said, "The NNIV teaches UOJ." The brightest one said, in one verse, yes, but it still teaches justification by faith. That revealed an interesting litmus test. The Sausage Factory reads Romans 3 and finds UOJ, and they will tear up trees by their roots to get their apostate paraphrase. A believer looks at the same chapter and says - justification by faith is still there, even with the extra "all." (all are justified)
Naturally, Murdoch's media umbrella wants to sell to both sides of the issue, just like Herman Otten.
Saved by grace through faith - by Norma Boeckler. |
As long as Lutherans sob for the approval of their apostate leaders, they will be driven down the same road to perdition.
A case in point - St. John Lutheran in Milwaukee is not the only property stolen by a denomination. The Episcopalians have made a hobby out of using national funds--and a mortgage on their headquarters--to take away the property of large, conservative congregations.
ELCA has a process (diaprax) for a congregation to take two votes and leave the denomination with their property. This describes how Grace ELCA in Eau Claire has lost $30 million in property and cash to the 10% of its members who wanted to stay ELCA.
Could greed have motivated ELCA to step in and play rough?
St. John in Milwaukee is a valuable property with cash and an endowment fund. A law firm worked with two men and WELS advice to grab the property and money, changing the locks to get rid of the legitimate members and the pastor.
A Time of Grace (WELS/LCMS/ELCA) staffer is involved - the pastor's vicarage supervisor. Whoda guessed that? WELS, greedy for money? That seems to be their theme, decade after decade.
Case in point - St. Peter (WELS) in Freedom, Wi. They have WELS grant money, Thrivent money, offering money, and still sell candy bars, pizza, SCRIP, and old newsprint for extra money. They are like the old Jewish woman who said, "If I were Rockefeller, I would be richer than Rockefeller."
Her friend said, "How could you be richer than Rockefeller if you were Rockefeller?"
"I would do a little sewing on the side." (Leo Rosten, The Joys of Yiddish)
The Spirit is truth - by Norma Boeckler |
The UOJ Shrinkers used to cry that I was doing everything wrong. They cited the Four Noble Truths of WELS. But every time I copy their own materials, with the links, the materials disappear. "The guilty run when no one pursues."
Where are the current materials from St. Peter Freedom? Erased and de-linked.
The Lutheran wolves remind me of the pit bull that jumped its fence and ran straight across the street for our dog Sassy Sue. The pit bull attacked Sassy without breaking its stride. I planted my foot in the dog's ribcage, toe first, and the dog ran back faster than a DP from the Northern District. Sassy was unhurt, but very scared by the unwarranted attack.
Animal Control, from the police department, took the dog away about 15 minutes later. I painted a picture of the same dog jumping the fence to attack a child, because the owner defended his dog as "being territorial, like a cat. Cats are territorial too."
The shepherds of Lutherdom are feeding the wolves instead of using their shepherd's crook to poke them in the ribs and drive them away.
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