Thursday, June 20, 2013

Lindee at ELDONA, Parts III and IV

Douglas Lindee


WEDNESDAY, JUNE 19, 2013

Impressions from My Visit with ELDoNA at their 2013 Colloquium and Synod – PART III


(Continued from PART II, yesterday.)

PART III

Church and MinistryEarly on, we at Intrepid Lutherans had considered prominently placing the ELDoNA in the list on the right-hand column of our blog, under the category of “Links to Synodical Resources,” understanding that there had been some promising dialogue between WELS and the ELDoNA. So we inquired with the WELS Inter-Church Relations Committee. They said, in essence, “Absolutely not.” The context, as I recall (being informed indirectly), was their Doctrine of Church and Ministry.

So I asked when I was at the Colloquium. “Aren't you guys really just Lutheran Episcopalians? You have this 'Episcopal polity' after all... What about the laity and the congregation?” The answer was simple, and reassuring: “The only members of the ELDoNA are the pastors. This is different from WELS and LCMS where both pastors andcongregations [as corporate entities] are members of Synod. Laymen are not members of Synod. Nor are they members of the Diocese. So there is no difference there. The difference is that the congregations, as corporate entities, are not members of the ELDoNA either. So the episcopate of the ELDoNA covers only the pastors, and does not extend to the congregations. It has no authority over the congregations. The congregations are independent, and only 'affiliated with the ELDoNA' through their pastor. Thus, congregational governance is not impacted by the Diocese.” Indeed, I was surprised to learn that local polity among congregations affiliated with the ELDoNA spans a spectrum between formal constitutional structures, with voters assemblies, etc., and much more informal “consensus models” of local governance. Whatever it is, the local political structure is up to the local congregation. In other words, the order of “Diocesan polity” does not impact the political order of the local congregation – thus, in the ELDoNA, the congregation is, in a very real sense, autonomous and free. In fact, according to one individual I spoke with at the Colloquium, the non-membership status of the local congregation with the Diocese, makes it easier for the congregation to order itself and to act on its convictions, should those convictions lead it to, say, disaffiliate with ELDoNA, or require it to pursue a course of church discipline against an erring or unrepentant pastor.

I also asked, regarding the Ministry, “Aren't you guys, like, 'hyper-Euros' or something? What is that supposed to mean, anyway? And aren't you 'Loehists' who insist that 'no one but an ordained pastor can ever forgive sins?' How would you compare your Doctrine of the Ministry to that of WELS?” The first answer I got went like this, “Huh? I really don't know what 'hyper-Euro' means – I think that is a term invented by Jack Cascione, before he fully investigated his sources. So it could mean anything. Or nothing at all.”

The second answer I got was much more specific, and went something like the following: “Our doctrine of the Ministry is succinctly stated in Article V and Article XIV of the Augsburg Confession [and Apology]. 'The Ministry of Teaching the Gospel and administering the Sacraments' (AC:V) is clearly one Ministry; the public teaching and administration of such (or 'The Ministry') is clearly defined as 'Ecclesiastical Order' (AC:XIV); and the phrase 'Unless he be regularly called' (AC:XIV) pretty much excludes those without a Divine Call. And what do you do with Article XIII of the Apology? 'We are not unwilling to call ordination a sacrament' (AP:XIII:11)? If we are 'not unwilling to call it a sacrament', what does that say about our confession with respect to it? That it is something to be regularly omitted? No, rather, that ordination is a regular part of the Divine Call, that a regular Lutheran Ecclesiastical Order requires of itself that Ministers of the Word be ordained. This stands in opposition to everything the WELS Doctrine of the Ministry represents, doesn't it?” The latter point may seem to have been a bit of hyperbole, but if there are those among us in WELS who hold a Divine Call which does not include the regular teaching of the Gospel and administration of the Sacraments, who are nevertheless defined as “Ministers of the Word,” or if there are those among us who regularly carry out those ministerial functions without a bona fide Divine Call – then such an answer, a Lutheran answer straight from our Confessions, does require some serious reflection. In addition to the sections just cited, a good place to start is the index of the Concordia Triglotta (Sadly, yes, it it true: our own Northwestern Publishing House (NPH) no longer prints the Triglotta, nor do they even make it available in print form. New, it is only available now in paperback from CPH “Print on Demand,” sans Bente's “Historical Introductions”...). Here are some selections from the index:

Regarding church polity, there are many Christians (pietists, in particular, though not exclusively) who prefer the display of shared hegemony demonstrated at the Apostolic Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15), where all believers clearly stood shoulder to shoulder as equals, without distinctions based on ones “ecclesiastical office,” in the decision-making of the broader Visible Church. This model served the New Testament Church for about the first two centuries, though as early as the late-Apostolic Age it began to give way to an episcopal polity. By the time of Cyprian (A.D. 195-258), however, it was widely recognized that a political structure modeled after the Apostolic Council was insufficient to ward off the withering attacks of the World, which, under the guise of Gnosticism, had by then wormed its way into Christianity as an equal voice, eventually challenging the Church to answer the questions, “What and where is True Christianity?” The Christian answer eventually came to rest, in part, on the ones God has uniquely equipped and Called to stand in the stead of Christ, for the purpose of caring for His sheep and defending against heresy; and so it also came to rest on the visible bishopric that emerged from them: “There is where True Christianity is.” Following from this response later emerged the idea that communion with Christ was only possible through communion with the bishop; thus also emerged the framework for absolute subordination of laity (“the masses”) to clergy (“the chosen ones”). Over time, under the influence of such ideas and in response to the needs of the Church in a changing society, this episcopal polity gave way to a papacy, with a single leader serving as Christ's representative on Earth, by whom all matters of doctrine and practice were ultimately decided.

These political structures, as political structures (without reference to the false doctrines either underlying them or emerging from them), served the Church well in the various circumstances she found herself facing in the tumultuous times of the Early Church. Today, in a church body largely unencumbered by heresy coming from the outside (as in the case of hyper-separatists, perhaps, or perhaps also in very small church bodies where everyone is personally known to each another), a purely collegial and brotherly Apostolic polity, that does not recognize legal distinctions associated with one's “ecclesiastical office” for the purpose of making corporate decisions, may be appropriate. However, when it becomes obvious that serpents have slithered in, exploiting and abusing brotherliness for the sake of their secret heresies, such a political form becomes both impractical and dangerous, as it did in the post-Apostolic era. The situation had changed, so the political structure of the Church changed along with it, in order to more effectively combat the manifest danger. Likewise in the early years of the papacy – the Fall of the Roman Empire and the rapid disintegration of Western society which followed, left the West open to the deleterious impacts of barbarism that soon took the place of civil society (incessant war, crime and disease, pervasive illiteracy, ignorance and poverty, etc.). Strong central leadership equipped the Church to deal with this flood of barbarism which followed the Fall of Rome. It wasn't the political structures themselves so much as the abuse of these structures that became problematic for the Church, and required, by the time of the Reformation, dramatic correction. Nevertheless, rather than endorse a radical break with the catholicity of the Church, our Confessions directly embrace a desire and intention to retain the catholic church polity modeled after the old episcopacy:
    [I]t is our greatest wish to maintain church-polity and the grades in the Church [old church-regulations and the government of bishops], even though they have been made by human authority... For we know that church discipline was instituted by the Fathers, in the manner laid down in the ancient canons, with a good and useful intention... Furthermore, we wish here again to testify that we will gladly maintain ecclesiastical and canonical government, provided the bishops only cease to rage against our Churches. This our desire will clear us both before God and among all nations to all posterity from the imputation against us that the authority of the bishops is being undermined, when men read and hear that, although protesting against the unrighteous cruelty of the bishops, we could not obtain justice. (AP XIV)

In my discussions with WELS and LCMS Lutherans, the topic of polity often arises in a way that recognizes the insufficiency of 19th Century political structures to respond to the manifold abuses everyone seems to recognize nowadays. The loopholes, weaknesses and inconsistencies of such structures have long been discovered and seem subject to frequent exploitation. WELS pastors have often told me, “In practice, WELS political structure does not even reflect its own doctrine of the Church, but that of LCMS. Same is true of LCMS in reverse – in practice, they reflect more WELS theology.” Some in LCMS have complained to me directly, “What we need is to get rid of lay influence. They are ruining our Synod. We need to have only pastors, a bishopric, making decisions.” In such cases I have responded, “Your episcopate in that case would be only as sound as your bishops. What, then, can the laity do when the bishops are, or become, corrupt?” Likewise in WELS, “These pastors are either heretics or cowards!” Then, variously, “They won't do anything other than go along with sectarian fads!” or “ They won't do anything other than what has been done for 100 years!” Then, unanimously, “We need the laity to rise up and take control!” ...And variously, “We need to run the Synod more like a business! Let's get our successful business guru's to take over where these untrained pastors seem to miserably fail all the time!” or “We need the laity to withhold their offerings until the spend-thrift heretics run out of money, and force them back to orthodoxy!” To which I respond something like the following: “Perhaps. But what happens when the laity, thinking either only pragmatically (as they usually do), or worse, with a hyper-spiritual disregard for biblical Stewardship (as some zealots have been known to do), unwittingly abandon orthodoxy? What happens when they become enamoured with the latest fads and fashion of the sects, or adopt the amoral ideologies of today's business leaders, because, through lack of training and giftedness, they have neither the perspective to recognize the error, nor the ability to articulate it to others? What do you do when the untrained laity make pragmatic decisions which fly in the face of orthodoxy, either because they don't care or because they lack sufficient perspective?”

Indeed, what do we need when both the laity and the clergy of a given church body become corrupt, and when all reasonable attempts to extract that corruption from ecclesiastical leadership fail? Answer: We need a new church body – hopefully with leaders of sufficient orthodoxy and perspective to choose a suitable polity, one that is consistent, Biblically and Confessionally defensible and well-suited to guard against the kind of heresies which attack us in our current age. For my part, I find that the ELDoNA has succeeded in this. As for the layman, in the ELDoNA, the rights of the layman are bound up with his responsibilities (as they should be), not to blindly trust what is handed down to him from ecclesiastical authorities (of which there are none for the layman in the ELDoNA, other than his own pastor), but at all times to diligently search the Scriptures, to affirm the orthodoxy of his pastor and the Diocese with which he is affiliated; and having done so, he, along with his fellow Berean-laymen, has full right and power to act according to the convictions the Scriptures have made him certain of, again without any interference from a higher ecclesiastical authority. That is to say, the “rights of the layman” are not extended to him by ecclesiastical authority, nor do they descend to him through its polity, but are his in proportion to his own Berean diligence. Though his “rights” do not extend beyond the congregation, they don't need to since neither the authority nor the polity of the Diocese extend to the congregation in the first place.

More to come, tomorrow...

Narrow-Minded Agrees with Joel Lillo-of-the-Valley

 


narrow-minded has left a new comment on your post "Some Hymns for Weddings":

I have to confess I agree with Joel. If we insist that a wedding service has to please the world and make everyone comfortable via anthropocentrism, then we should not pollute the Lord's House with it. Go to the town hall and have a civil ceremony. Elvis in Vegas would be another option.

If we really want to please the world, why stop at weddings? The answer is CW. We could pass out little dental floss samples, like the ones you get from the dentist, as people enter. The popcorn hulls stuck in people's teeth could distract from the rock band, big screen, and purpose-driven sermon on having their best life now.

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Classic Ichabod

Monday, March 30, 2009




Babtist Andy Stanley (left) hosted the conference. Big money in large conferences? Ask Amway.



Host Andy Stanley (left) posed with star-struck Ski.



Buske (right) is connected with Ski through the Gospel Lutheran Lighthouse
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No Lutherans were caught worshiping at this media circus for Babtists with short-attention spans.



Church and Change to Ski, Buske, Parlow, et al: "Don't let us catch you praying down there in Atlanta. We are not in pray-ah fellowship with them Babtists...not yet."



No caption required.



"Let me be frank with you."



This could be the man who thought up The CORE.



Some of you thought C and C road trips were not spirit-ual.







And a big thanks to Paul Kelm for sending me those pictures. No wonder he is a consultant at The Love Shack!

Pastor Paul Rydecki - Dear WELS laymen in Michigan: Beware the “gospel” that Jesus never taught | Faith Alone Justifies



Dear WELS laymen in Michigan: Beware the “gospel” that Jesus never taught | Faith Alone Justifies:

Dear WELS laymen in Michigan: Beware the “gospel” that Jesus never taught

It seems that my removal from the WELS for teaching that sinners are only justified by faith in Christ has sparked yet another essay.  This one was imposed on the delegates of the Michigan District convention a couple of weeks ago.  A dear relative of mine who was in attendance sent me a copy of this 52-page monstrosity, and bemoaned how the district attempted to indoctrinate the delegates in Universal Objective Justification, not only through this essay, but through sermons and devotions throughout the convention.
I have a special love for the WELS laity in Michigan, since I grew up among them and still have several relatives among them.  For their sake, I will write a few posts addressing some of the errors and absurdities in Pr. Brian Keller’s essay, lest they be deceived by this attempt to lead them away from Lutheran orthodoxy into the abyss of Huberian nonsense that the WELS has sadly become.
What a title!  That should give us enough to focus on for today.  As the rest of the essay makes clear, Keller is not only saying that Christ died for all men (which is true), or that He made atonement for all men (which is true), or that Christ earned forgiveness for all men (which is also true).  Keller explains in his essay that God, in His courtroom of divine justice, has already forgiven, acquitted and justified all people of all time, whether they believe in Christ or not.
This little prefix, “Believe it or not!”, cannot be found in Holy Scripture.  It can be found at Ripley’s museum.  It can also be found in the doctrine of Samuel Huber (1547-1624) that was condemned by Lutheran orthodoxy long before it found its way into Keller’s essay.  Huber applied this prefix (or appendix) both to election and to justification, teaching that all men were elected by God in eternity, “whether they believe in Christ or not.”  He likewise taught that all men have been justified and forgiven by God, “whether they believe in Christ or not.”  I am not claiming that Keller applies this phrase to election , as Huber did.  But he is most certainly applying it to justification, as Huber did.  As Aegidius Hunnius pointed out in his refutation of Huber’s error, “The question is whether this explanatory phrase (which uncovers the whole mind of the antagonist and clearly shows how he veils what he really means to say) is in agreement with the prophetic and apostolic Scriptures or not.”
Let the reader of Scripture judge for him or herself whether this phrase comes from the prophetic and apostolic Scriptures.
Matthew 9:2— Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.” (NKJV)
Mark 16:15-16—And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospelto every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” (NKJV)
John 3:16-18— For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemnedbut he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (NKJV)
Acts 13:38-41—“Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you: ‘Behold, you despisers, Marvel and perish! For I work a work in your days, A work which you will by no means believe, Though one were to declare it to you.’ ” (NKJV)
Romans 4:5— But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, (NKJV)
Rom. 3:21-26— But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (NKJV)
Rom. 4:20-5:1He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, and being fully convincedthat what He had promised He was also able to perform. And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification. Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ… (NKJV)
2 Cor. 5:18-21—Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (NKJV)
Keller cites all of these passages in his essay to prove that God has forgiven and justified all people, whether they believe in Christ or not, although he doesn’t necessarily cite the whole passages or the surrounding verses.  They will all be dealt with individually in a later post, but for now, let’s take these same passages and insert the Huberian tag, “whether they believe in Christ or not,” as Keller claims they should be interpreted:
Matthew 9:2— Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith—whether they believed or not—, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you, whether you believe in Me or not.” (New Keller Version)
Mark 16:15-16—And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel —that all are forgiven whether they believe in Me or not! — to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” (New Keller Version)
John 3:16-18— For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son and forgave all people whether they believe in Him or not, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved—whether they believe in Him or not. He who believes in Him is not subjectively condemned; but he who does not believe is objectively justified already, but subjectively condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (New Keller Version)
Acts 13:38-41—“Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sinsthat you are all forgiven already, whether you believe in Christ or not; and by Him everyone who believeswhether he believes or not—is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you: ‘Behold, you despisers, Marvel and perish! For I work a work in your days, A work which you will by no means believe, Though one were to declare it to you.’ ” (New Keller Version)
Romans 4:5— But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly whether the ungodly believes in Him or not, his faith is accounted for righteousness, (New Keller Version)
Rom. 3:21-26— But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe, whether they believe or not. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesuswhether they believe in Him or not, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faithwhether they have faith or not, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesussubjectively speaking, and of all who do not have faith, objectively speaking. (New Keller Version)
Rom. 4:20-5:1—He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead whether we believe in Him or not, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our objective justification, whether we believe in Him or not. Therefore, having been subjectively justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ… (New Keller Version)
2 Corinthians 5:18-21—Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ whether we believe in Him or not, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ objectively reconciling the world to Himself whether they believe in Him or not, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation, that all are justified whether they believe in Christ or not. Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be subjectively reconciled to God. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him, whether we believe in Him or not. (New Keller Version)
I take no pleasure in making these additions to the sacred, inspired text, even for the sake of demonstrating the error of universal justification.  But, dear laymen, this is what your leaders are doing to your Holy Bible when they take these passages and read universal justification back into them.  You don’t have to be a pastor, and you don’t have to know Greek to understand that the meaning of these Bible passages is being altered by your leaders.
Keller declares that “Universal Objective Justification Is the Gospel Truth!”  Funny how this “Gospel Truth” (that all people are forgiven, whether they believe in Jesus or not) never showed up in a single sentence of Jesus in the Gospels.  Funny how the most important teaching in Scripture only (supposedly) shows up in a couple of verses of the Apostle Paul, taken out of context.  Funny how it doesn’t show up at all in the tan (Gausewitz) catechism by which so many WELS members were instructed over the decades.  What a huge omission the synod made for all those years!  They omitted the very Gospel Truth from the catechism!  But they are making up for it now.
Such is the way of manmade doctrine.  It changes with the wind and hates to be revealed for what it is, which is why the laymen in Michigan were subjected to this futile attempt to deceive the elect.
Beware this “gospel” of Universal Justification, because it is a “gospel” that was unknown to the historic Lutheran Church, to the prophets, to the apostles, and to Jesus Himself.  Take to heart the words of Luther and stick with the simple Biblical Gospel that the only way for sinners to be justified before God is by faith in Christ Jesus.
[Paraphrasing the Apostle Paul:] “Therefore my doctrine is true, pure, sure, and divine. Nor can there be any doctrine that is different from mine, much less better. Therefore any doctrine at all that does not teach as mine does—that all men are sinners and are justified solely by faith in Christ—must be false, uncertain, evil, blasphemous, accursed, and demonic. And so are those who either teach or accept such a doctrine.” (Luther’s Works, Vol. 26, 59)

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Fox Valley Pastor Joel Lillo Owes Church Lady an Apology



Pastor Joel Lillo has left a new comment on your post "Comments on Contemptible Worship - CoWo For Short":

Oh, wow! You found TWO spelling errors in the last fifty comments I have submitted! That must mean that I'm a moron!

Of course, you can find that many in each sentence of the WELS Church Lady's comments.

She agrees with you, though, so she must not be a moron!

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GJ - The discussion had nothing to do with the WELS Church Lady, who is often quoted because of her common sense and good humor, which is utterly lacking in Fox Valley. I wrote long ago that I would edit the posts of friendly writers and leave the opponents to do their own editing.

I enjoy adding the (sic) because WELS pastors never stop bragging about their superior education. If they have not mastered the English language, how can they comprehend the doctrinal masterpieces of the orthodox Lutherans?

Brett Meyer Answers the Unclear Boys of UOJ


The UOJ posse strikes often,
claiming they really teach justification by faith.

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Many Assertions - No Support":

Rev. Bosclair states, "This website equates regeneration with Justification"

Yes, correct. Scripture declares in Mark 4:12, “That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.”

The doctrine of UOJ is a doctrine of devils and opposes and contradicts Scripture at every turn. The false gospel of UOJ would have your children believe that the whole unbelieving world was forgiven by God, and then maybe some of them would in time come to believe they were forgiven and by that kind of faith, which is not the faith of the Holy Spirit, they are saved eternally (the benefit of the faithless forgiveness they received while they bathed under God's wrath and condemnation - John 3:36, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:18, “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

Rev. Bosclair spews the venom of UOJ because it is a baseless and vile product of man's reason attempting to establish a way to righteousness before God while rejecting the faith of Christ, His righteousness worked solely through the Means of Grace. What blasphemy it is to condemn the righteousness of Christ in the chief article of Justification solely by faith in Christ alone - declaring that faith a work of man if by it alone a man is forgiven all sin.

Rev. Bosclair states, "The lie is that we who believe, teach, and confess Objective Justification deny justification by faith, or more precisely justification by grace through faith."

If the UOJists today were as bold as Siebert W. Becker and clearly state what their chief doctrine teaches - this we believe and this we reject - Lutheran laity would throw their mutinous carcasses to the curb. Siegbert, the father of UOJ in the WELS (H.A. Preus in the LCMS, Knapp and Tholuck at Halle and their grandfather Samuel Huber at Wittenberg) clearly defined the teaching of UOJ. UOJ teaches it is by grace alone that the whole unbelieving world has been forgiven all sin and declared righteous in Christ - outside of the Means of Grace and regardless of any kind of faith. It is then by faith alone in the previous faithless forgiveness that they are saved eternally - receive the benefit.

Somebody needs to study their chief doctrine.
Becker:
http://www.wlsessays.net/files/BeckerJustification.pdf

H.A. Preus:
http://www.christforus.org/Papers/Content/HermanAmbergPreusonJustificationofWorld.htm 

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GJ - One of the Preus patriarches was removed from his parish (on Good Friday!) because of his UOJ. It fits well with their martyrdom complex. Ironic - because UOJ is an expression of Pietism, not Biblical, Lutheran doctrine.

Rolf Preus:

The Importance of the Pure Doctrine 

The French have a saying, “Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.”  The more things change, the more they stay the same. In his presidential address to the Norwegian Synod in 1884, President Herman Amberg Preus speaks directly to our generation: 
Many people are confused in their simple Christian faith and ask in doubt:  “Yes, what is the truth?” Base elements, which must be found in congregations, step forward who quickly gain support and attempt to make themselves influential.  Respect for the ordinances of the church and for Christian morality is dulled.  Doctrinal discipline and the little church discipline which is to be found, are relaxed.  Agitation and church politics are promoted.  Majorities decide matters instead of the Word of God.  Thus we stand in danger of a general demoralization.  Suspicion, disunity and conflict arise between members of the same congregation, yes, of the same family.  Factions are formed which lie in wait for each other and try to get the best of everyone.  Splits in congregations and deposing of pastors have even occurred because of the controversy.[12]
Sound familiar?  Pastor Preus spoke from personal experience.  He and his son Christian served as pastors of Norway Grove Lutheran Church in Dane County, Wisconsin.  Herman had served the congregation for thirty years.  Agitators from the so-called Anti-Missourian Brotherhood stirred up certain members of the congregation to demand that their pastors repudiate the confessional Lutheran doctrine on election.  They refused.  On Good Friday 1883, Pastors Herman and Christian Preus were not only deposed by a majority of the congregation.  They were bodily removed.  The congregation later repented of their sin. 

[end of Preus quotation]

The martyrdom of H. A. Preus is a significant part of the Preus mythology. If they admit he was wrong, they would have to concede an entire series of errors. UOJ is orthodox because H. A. Preus taught it, and H. A. Preus was orthodox because he was bodily removed from his congregation for teaching UOJ.

Every alleged UOJ quotation from Luther to the post-Concord era of orthodoxy is an expression of the atonement of Christ.

Romans 4:25 is supposed to teach UOJ, but the entire verse teaches the opposite.

Here is another classic UOJ claim.

KJV Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even
so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

They allege that Romans 5:18 teaches UOJ, a few verses after this,

KJV Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory
of God. -

jarringly after an entire chapter (4) on justification by faith.

UOJ is a claim seeking desperately for a foundation, and not finding any, roams about looking for a new lodging, a new quotation to posses and distort.

One test of a claim is to look at an opposite expression of it.

KJV Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even
so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The second half of this verse is supposed to be proof of UOJ. If "all men" is changed to "some men," it would be in harmony with Calvin's limited atonement. The original verse only says that this Gospel is sent to the entire world, not that every single cannibal and Hindu is declared righteous in Christ. Be sure to shout in Christ, as Jay Webber does, to prove some kind of point. No one knows exactly what that point is, but repetition does have its influence. Glaring also helps. UOJ Enthusiast glare when they spout their foamy assertions.

Apparently, that in Christ means people are forgiven in Christ, but not really, until they make a decision in favor of UOJ. That would be the "faith in their own faith" that the UOJ Enthusiasts condemn so often.

According to Rolf Preus, the Gospel is only the Gospel if it is expressed as UOJ, which comes straight from the bowels of Pietism, from Halle University, the alma mater of the founder of the Missouri Synod, Martin Stephan.

A Calvinist gave America the double-justification language of UOJ (OJ and SJ) when he translated G. C. Knapp's Halle lectures.

Calvin rejected the Means of Grace. UOJ Storm-Brownies are incapable of discussing Lutheran doctrine intelligently, dealing with the Means of Grace or the efficacy of the Word. The UOJ Hive is just as buzzy about the Holy Spirit as Calvin was.

Calvin has the Holy Spirit dropping by, here and there, making our empty sermons and ceremonies effective by His impetuous actions. The sermons is nothing if the Holy Spirit chooses not to be present. Holy Communion and Baptism - the same. That is why Calvinists pray "Sovereign Lord." That phrase is an expression of this disconnect between the Holy Spirit and the Word.

UOJ is not pure Calvinism. The dogma is not pure anything, but an amalgam of Pietism, Calvinism, and rationalism.

One of the key moves in UOJ is to claim - "If Christ has taken on the sin of the world, then the entire world is righteous." That rationalism is a basis for all their absurdities. Where is this a Biblical claim? Nowhere. This is simply a philosophical construct clinging to a citation where it does not fit at all.

The Hive never worries about context.


Dark Helmet loves UOJ,
but he kicked out Rolf Preus anyway.

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Daryl Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Brett Meyer Answers the Unclear Boys of UOJ":

Ichabod brings up the oft cited proof passage of UOJ, Rom. 5:18, and, though it's been said here many times before, I'll bring it up again: the fact that faith is the context of this passage wasn't lost on the authors of the Formula of Concord either. "Therefore it is considered and understood to be the same thing when Paul says we are justified by faith, Rom. 3:28...or that by the righteousness of One justification of faith came to all men, Rom 5:18." (FCSD III:12 Conc. Trigl. p919) Yes, the English translation uses 'justification of faith came to all men', although the Latin uses 'vitae' while the German has both 'Glaubens' and '[Lebens]'. At any rate, do pastors still hold a quia subscription?