Monday, September 30, 2013

Ski Will Be Declared a Saint by WELS

Name one situation where a pastor has been removed for cause,
yet promised his job back at the same place a few months later,
the synod president and district president
colluding to mock the ministry and civil law.
"Lest the ministry be blamed..."


Ex-pastor Ski, removed from the ministry, will be declared a saint by the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Sect.
An independent panel of Church and Change leaders cleared the way for Ski to be recognized as a saint when they approved a second miracle that was attributed to his intercession. Last week a panel of NIV salesmen  and Thrivent Planned Giving Counselors put their official stamp of approval on his road to sainthood. DP Engelbrecht and SP Mark Schroeder gave their prior approval for this neutral, objective, scientific group to form their own opinion about the case.
Ski's declaration was more of a surprise to many as DP Engelbrecht skipped past the need of a second miracle. 
The date for the canonization ceremony, expected to take place this year, has not yet been set.

http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2013/10/dont-nobody-tell-me-ski-turned-down-for.html

More Humor from SpenerQuest.
LCMS Gots Its UOJ from Halle, not Luther


Walther knowingly covered for Stephan's adultery.
Stephan left his wife and family in Dresden,
but Walther helped make the man bishop-for-life.
Missouri's leaders admitted they knew all along -
see Zion on the Mississippi.

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Barry Propst (Barry)
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From my brief experience with ELDoNA about 10 years ago, they really have an axe to grind with Walther, and it doesn't stop at polity. If sacerdotalism is an issue in LCMS, it really is an issue in ELDoNA. As far as refusing to accept objective justification, I can only say that as a desperate group of "pastors", they may very well have come to acknowledge that at this point, I don't know.
In a broad since, I think they must have been rejecting it for a long time to explain some of their strange-to-Lutheranism beliefs and practices, since this doctrine is ultimately tied to every other.

This group is bent on attacking LCMS and now apparently WELS, and they will do about anything to show it. I think of ELDoNA like I think of an injured and cornered animal. They are unpredictable and can be dangerous, doctrinally speaking. Their "injury" in large part (from the instances I observed) came from a Missouri Synod that failed to discipline. The 'State of Confession' that some were making in an attempt to stand apart from a weak synod was carried too far. These guys got sympathy from the wrong crowd at the wrong time, and to ELDoNA they fled. Sad.


Woods was a famous Calvinist, a wunderkind,
and this book is still in print.
UOJ is mainline dogma - everyone is forgiven and saved.

Will ELCA-WELS-LCMS Bagman Jeske Be There To Show His Support?


Evangelical Lutheran Church in America to install first female bishop


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Updated: September 29, 2013 2:32AM


Schisms are nothing new to churches.
And when the Rev. Elizabeth Eaton, the first woman elected to head the nearly 4-million-member Chicago-based Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, becomes presiding bishop Saturday, she’ll inherit a church still tending wounds from its 2009 decision to allow openly gay clergy — a move that contributed to the loss of nearly 600,000 members.
But Eaton, who supported the gay clergy decision, says the church learned from the experience and will move forward while addressing challenges that include staying relevant and building membership.
“We’ve learned it’s really clear we’re not all of one mind,” she said.
The question, Eaton said, is “how do we find ways to continue to love and talk to each other, to help the church be a model of how to have a civil discourse in a [political] culture that’s sort of winner take all, or if you don’t agree with me, you’re wrong, but not only are you wrong, you’re probably on the side of Satan.”
The church hasn’t figured out the answer but has learned “we’ve got to find a way to have deep disagreements but still see Christ in the other,” she said.
Eaton, 58, is a native of Cleveland. She was ordained in 1981 and first elected bishop of the ELCA Northeastern Ohio Synod in 2006. She holds a Master of Divinity degree from Harvard Divinity School.
Listening will be key to increase relevancy and build the church’s membership, she said, noting that she has been encouraging people in her synod to go outside the church and ask people what their communities need and what gives them hope “instead of us telling people what we think they need to know.”

Graphic: Fewer ELCA members
Church Growth - WELS/LCMS style.
Thinking outside the pew also will be important.
“Do we have to have services at 10 o’clock on Sunday morning?” Eaton said. “For a huge demographic, that doesn’t work. How do we say we’re going to be more creative about when we invite people to be part of worship?
“We have some congregations who have worship services in restaurants, at coffeehouses. Those creative approaches are things we have to try.”
In targeting younger members, she said, “It’s not just about talking about what we believe. They want to see justice combined with faith.”
Building diversity remains a challenge and will be a priority.
“We still have congregations who will not interview a woman to be a pastor, and we’ve been ordaining women as pastors in the ELCA since 1970,” she said. “We have folks who will not interview a person of color if it’s a predominantly white congregation. Those are some huge barriers.”
Only 23 percent of clergy in ELCA are women, according to the church’s website.
Eaton’s “presence will bring greater inclusivity,” said the Rev. April Ulring Larson, who was the first woman bishop in the ELCA.
Becoming a more diverse church is important because the country is more diverse and because “that’s God’s vision,” Eaton said.
Her focus on inclusiveness will address members who, because of their scriptural convictions, are opposed to the church’s homosexuality stance but decided to stay.
“This was a very costly decision for us,” she said. “Families were divided. Congregations were divided. It’s important to acknowledge the sacrifice of people who stayed even though they don’t agree with the decision. We need to make a space for them to have a voice.”
Asked if she plans to forge a relationship with the North American Lutheran Church, the group that formed out of the controversy, she said: “They’re our brothers and sisters. They’re always welcome. But the manner in which that denomination was formed caused a lot of pain for this church, and that’s not quickly forgotten.”
Humility is required of both sides, she said.
Representatives from the breakaway group did not return calls for comment.
“Her synod had a really tough time,” said the Rev. Wayne Miller, bishop of the ELCA’s Metropolitan Chicago Synod, who noted that the gay issue wasn’t a big deal in Chicago.
As synod bishop, Eaton spent a lot of time in church fellowship halls dealing with angry crowds, Miller said. “She was incredibly steadfast and faithful.”
Among her priorities will be helping the church live out key Lutheran themes.
“Our first and highest goal . . . is to be where there is suffering, where there is hurting,” Eaton said.
“We’re church first, church for the sake of the world,” she said. “Of course worship is primary and the thing we do. But if we’re just having our little conclaves and our own little congregations and say, ‘Well, too bad about everyone outside,’ we are completely missing the point.”
Email: Fknowles@suntimes.com

Mark Jeske, the all-synod man,
sits on the Thrivent Board and shares your wealth.
Planned Giving Counselors are Thrivent salesmen who earn
commissions for their divine calling.

Katy Perry often displays her lack of talent,
but Fox Valley WELS is in love with her.

Resident Hater in a Fanatical Sect Finds Eldona a Fanatical Sect -
For Its Potential Support of Justification by Faith.
Ask Kurtzahn and the CLC If Incestuous Adultery Is a Sin.


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George Mueller (Mueller)
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Among some orthodox Lutherans the theological method becomes quite insular and parochial, consisting mostly in quoting other members of the group. Since they deem themselves orthodox and outsiders heterodox their students rarely give much attention to what outsiders say. But, alas, they sometimes make poor arguments and the bright students become impatient, and seek instruction elsewhere. That explains the Paul Rydeckis of this world. Bright, dissatisfied, arrogant, and just a little bit smarter than the average bear.

The WELS descends into theological sloganeering rather quickly. That doesn't make her wrong. Just annoying. But Rydecki, knowing he knew more than his fellows, knowing he was smarter than they, confused himself. He saw the shortcomings in the way WELS was wont to articulate the gospel and attributed them to doctrinal error. True enough, some within WELS might present the objective/subjection distinction in terms that appear to make the gospel mere information about a past justification. Appear to. Don't actually do so, but men like Rydecki are looking to find fault for other reasons as well. So he chucks objective justification. He knows better than his teachers.

The self-assurance of the ELDoNA crowd and their apparent scholarship and familiarity with authentic Lutheranism made them a good home for this disaffected WELS man. Why not join with a group of disaffected Missourians?

Here's the sad irony. While they all have plenty of legitimate criticism to level against their former synods, they are rejecting, not only a truth on which both of these synods agree, but a truth that is far more precious than any of the things with which these bright men occupy their minds.

Let him that thinketh he stand take heed lest he fall. Pride is the chief cause of the fall.

[GJ - Plus there is just plain schtoopid.]
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Timothy Blank (Timothyblank)
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Seems the ELDONA has gone from a fringe group in Lutheranism to a fanatical sect.
To list, as I have counted them thus far, their deviations from orthodoxy:
1) At best, tolerance of deniers of objective justification, and at worst, outright rejection of Christ's complete work on the cross.
2) Belief that the Great Commission is directed only to future clergy and not to all believers.
3) Rejection of the priesthood of all believers. More specifically, they reject that Christ commits to all believers the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and commissions all believers to preach the Gospel and to administer the Sacraments. (Brief Statement, par. 30)

Timothy the Blank
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Tim Schenks (Tschenks)
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I recall that Pr. Rolf Preus, resident Lutherquest chaplain, didn't want anything to do with the Eldona either.

But I'd like to hear what Pr. Eric Stefanski has to say about this, as he did join Eldona. To bad he won't post on LQ.

Tim Schenks Schanks Schunks