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Exclusives : The Disappointing Letdown of Three Archbishops of Canterbury
Posted by David Virtue on 2013/11/12 13:30:00 (1239 reads)

The Disappointing Letdown of Three Archbishops of Canterbury
The failure to elect Bishop Michael Nazir Ali as Archbishop of Canterbury will be viewed as the worst and most defining moment the Church of England made at the beginning of the 21st Century

COMMENTARY

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
November 11, 2013

It is now becoming apparent to any honest observer that the Anglican Communion is, in effect, two communions. Not officially of course, and perhaps never likely to be, but in reality you have a solid phalanx of Global South evangelicals led by Archbishops like Eliud Wabukala (Kenya) and Nicholas Okoh of Nigeria to name but two. Together, these two Anglican provinces make up a third of all Anglicans in the Communion.

On the other side, there is the Global North which is liberal in ethos, theology and morals with a smattering of orthodox Anglicans amongst them including PEAR-USA, CANA, ANiC held together by the ACNA, the dioceses of Sydney (AU) and Nelson (NZ). You can add Southeast Asia and Latin America and, of course, most of Africa with one notable exception.

The reality is that the two communions have two very different understandings of the faith, about what it means, what should be preached from its pulpits, what conversion looks like, how churches should grow and much more.

So how did we get here? There are several answers including the acceptance of a variety of pansexual behaviors in the Global North, the total focus on socio-political issues, women's issues, MDGs and the Five Marks of Mission. The Great Commission is not part of the ecclesiastical equation.

An overlooked reason lies at the very top of the Anglican Communion itself.

The Communion, in truth, looks to its archbishops and bishops, not only for leadership, but to hear and learn what the faith is that the faithful should believe, what is taught and believed and what is right to uphold in good times and bad. While renewal and revival often comes from the bottom up, see the Wesleys and, more recently, Nicky Gumbel of ALPHA fame, it is to our leaders that the rudders of the Anglican ship of state move, especially when the waters grow rough... when a theological Tsunami hits and the helm must be held steady.

I have watched with earnestness, hope, and then with sadness, as each of the last three archbishops of Canterbury came, and then, under pressure, folded their theological tents in the name of a false unity and inclusion, leaving the faithful to fend for themselves at precisely the moment when they should have stood up and been counted with and for the faithful. The result has seen the scattering of the sheep, especially in North America.

ARCHBISHOP GEORGE CAREY

The defining moment for Archbishop George Carey came when Episcopal Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold slithered across the Atlantic and demanded (yes that is the right word) that Carey not recognize the sudden emergence of the Anglican Mission in America with its newly consecrated bishops in Singapore as a solid evangelical alternative for orthodox Episcopalians in North America. (This was repeated more recently by Canadian Archbishop Fred Hiltz who likewise took the same trip to persuade Justin Welby to not recognize the ACNA.)

It was Carey's moment to step up to the plate and say yes, he would rescue faithful and godly Episcopalians who were only looking for a safe place to practice their faith away from the growing apostasies of the Episcopal Church. He had a moment to offer them a safe harbor. He failed. The legal and ecclesiastical consequences and mess that ensued, by his acquiescence, continue to play out to this day with millions of dollars spent on lawsuits for properties, the devastation of friendships, broken relationships and much more.

Ironically, he still doesn't get it. When he recently visited South Carolina, a legal minefield these days, he told VOL correspondent Ladson F. Mills III that the Anglican Communion's structure is still sound. He rejected the suggestion that senior leaders are more concerned with their territorial prerogatives than truth. He said Anglicanism has always reflected a "generous tolerance." He noted that The Episcopal Church is recognized for its generosity throughout the wider communion. (It was Frank Griswold who coined the fallacious term "generous orthodoxy").

There are two fallacies here. The first is that Katharine Jefferts Schori is about as tolerant of orthodox Episcopalians as Tea Party republicans are of more moderate Republicans. The second is that TEC's "generosity" (he means money) is used to manipulate African and Latin evangelical Anglicans into buying into TEC's "new and improved" understanding of the faith. Witness the complete roll over of the province of Southern Africa. No other African province has followed their example even though TEC is doing its best to try. Look at what they tried to do in recent elections in Tanzania a once totally orthodox province. Two of the most recent archbishops were persuaded not to attend GAFCON II, the province had to dig back to its third still living primate, Donald Mtetemela to get a representative at GAFCON.

Carey, in Charleston, then went on to describe Charles vonRosenberg, bishop of the continuing Episcopal Church, as "a lovely man." This is the same "lovely" bishop who is now suing his own Church Pension Fund for money to continue litigating against Bishop Mark Lawrence. What exactly is "lovely" about that? And we know he won't stop suing and suing and suing until he drops and Jefferts Schori buries him in a cheap pine box casket because the church can't afford a cherry one.

And then there is this fictional statement Carey made to Mills, "[I am] both aware of and understand the challenges for the current presiding bishop in regard to the drifting away of the Diocese of South Carolina. South Carolina has been an effective and rich contributor to the Episcopal Church and Anglican Communion; therefore it is [my] hope that both sides will not miss opportunities to preserve their relationship. Perhaps this might someday include the reaching out to ACNA and AMiA by the Episcopal Church."




This is NEVER going to happen, even if Hell freezes over and dead revisionist Episcopal bishops cry out from Hell for water. There is about as much chance of Jefferts Schori shaking hands with Bob Duncan over coffee and crumpets as the Tea Party actually agreeing with President Obama on health care reform.

Carey is so naive it is beyond all human understanding. The Episcopal Church is spending millions and millions of dollars on property wars, some of which have gone on for more than five years. There is no sign of abatement. The Presiding Bishop has said she would sooner sell abandoned Episcopal properties to saloons and Muslim groups than sell them back to faithful Anglicans, and God help any bishop, even moderately liberal ones, if they disobey her. Bishop George Councell did it once in NJ, but never did it again. Dallas Bishop James Stanton did it a few times and got reprimanded. Jefferts Schori has a complete lock down on anybody who dares to oppose her. Witness what she did with nine bishops who simply filed an amicus brief in support of Ft. Worth Bishop Jack Iker. She not only wrung a retraction out of them, she got an apology as well. She took her special brand of castration tools all the way to Orlando for that occasion.

In 2008 Carey was openly critical of GAFCON, concerned that the drawing away of the more conservative bishops from Lambeth might weaken the upcoming conference and cause further damage to the communion. He now recognizes that GAFCON represents the majority of African and Asian Anglicans and, therefore, its concerns must be acknowledged.

So Carey had a Lazarus moment. Too late. GAFCON II concluded with the majority of evangelical Anglicans parking an AMIE tank on Lambeth Palace lawns.

ARCHBISHOP ROWAN WILLIAMS

Then there was Dr. Rowan Williams, an Affirming Catholic whose use of language so bamboozled the faithful that for years no one could pin him down as to what he said or meant. He gave new meaning to the term theobabble. When the theological verbiage finally cleared, it became apparent that he was prepared to discard the Holy Scriptures on sexuality. Realty finally dawned on Global South Archbishops and bishops that he could not be trusted, so they absented themselves from Lambeth 2008 and the subsequent primates meeting in Dublin. A covenant he initiated is dead. The jig was up. Williams soon after resigned.

It was at this moment in history when things might have gone otherwise had the governors of the Church of England and the Queen elected a man who was in every way qualified by theology, race, color and creed. That man was Bishop Michael Nazir Ali of Rochester, a Pakistani born convert from Islam who, when his name came up, found himself vilified, publicly "stoned" and humiliated by a lying liberal secular press, backed by a virulent gay lobby bent on destroying his reputation and candidacy. They were successful. That decision, VOL believes, has not only cost the Church of England dearly and scattered the Anglican Communion, it in effect brought about the birth of GAFCON and GFCA.

Though out of ecclesiastical office, Bishop Nazi Ali has become the Anglican spokesman on a whole host of social, moral and legal issues. He has become the leading Anglican voice in England and Europe's Culture Wars who now needs police protection from Muslim extremists because of his outspoken views.

It is interesting that when he visits the US, he spends his time with the likes of Bishop Mark Lawrence and Archbishop Bob Duncan and never gets time with any Episcopal bishop. Carey, on the other hand, still hangs out with bishops in Texas, Dallas and South Carolina and schmoozes with the Bush family.

ARCHBISHOP JUSTIN WELBY

With the recent ascendancy of evangelical Justin Welby, to the see of Canterbury, it was hoped by many, including and especially the Global South that he would lead the charge for truth against the growing apostasies of Western Anglicanism and restore a semblance of order out of the chaos. No one was looking for a miracle. What orthodox Anglicans simply wanted to hear was a vigorous defense of the faith and the recognition that a large swathe of the Global North no longer had confidence in the transformative power of the gospel, more bent on inclusion and talk of diversity and acceptance of the "truths" of other religions at the cost of the exclusive claims of Christ.

Archbishop Welby has, so far, proved a bitter disappointment for evangelicals and other Anglicans of orthodox conviction, namely Anglo-Catholics.

Recent events in Nairobi confirmed in the minds of Global South evangelicals that he is prepared to compromise on sexuality issues (he opposes gay marriage but is for civil unions) thus leaving the door wide open to other possible compromises for "the sake of unity." Such "unity" is a false unity for these Anglicans who would have been far more interested in being his evangelical foot soldiers in the spiritual war for the soul of the Anglican Communion. Instead of reaching out to them with open arms, he belittled and marginalized them and ultimately tried to domesticate them. That was a red rag to a Nigerian bull. Old colonial memories die hard. Welby did nothing to alleviate the notion that he and Canterbury remains the head of a diverse communion, and he expects his African brothers and sisters to roll over to that continuing reality. It is not going to happen. They have not only lost confidence in him, they have also lost confidence in the other instruments of unity including the Anglican Communion Office aka the Anglican Consultative Council.

Among the many things GAFCON delegates affirmed was that they would continue to cross boundaries to rescue orthodox Episcopalians and Anglicans wherever it was needed and, secondly they would establish the Anglican Mission in England (AMiE) as a rescue operation for evangelicals and Anglo-Catholics who feel marginalized by a virulent gay and women's bishops lobby.

We are now at a point in history when it is clear that not to have elected Bishop Nazir Ali as the next Archbishop of Canterbury may well mean that the Church of England itself could see a split in the coming months, predicted by Nazir Ali himself.

He said, following GAFCON II, that if the Church of England goes ahead with a formal service for gay couples it would be a "red line" for traditionalist parishes. The C of E faces a split over the issue saying that those clergy and lay members of the Church opposed to any relaxation of the rules could reject the authority of any bishops who supported the move. Indeed it may be a red line for some bishops, he said.

The realignment of the Anglican Communion is now well underway. It was given a mighty push in Nairobi recently. Nothing can stop it, unless there is full and open repentance of the sins committed by pansexually driven Global North leaders. There is absolutely no sign that that is going to happen. None.

The growing apart will continue as will the property lawsuits. Carey, Williams and now Welby all know this and they have known it for a long time. They sold out the faithful. They can no longer hide behind hopes of good will and unity; those days are over. The Anglican Communion will continue to grow further apart, even if no formal schism takes place. The Global North will continue to see its churches shrivel and die with no transcendent message to proclaim. The Anglican Church in North America (ACNA) will continue to grow and draw in other orthodox Anglican jurisdictions. It is the only serious game in town now. Any new leader following Duncan will have to seriously wrestle with the ordination of women as an issue, but that is resolvable. The sins of The Episcopal Church are not.

Many hoped for something different in the elevation of Justin Welby, apparently that is not going to happen. As a communion we are adrift, but the lifeboats are now in place and rescue ships are on the way with some even now in place for orthodox Anglicans. The future is not hopeless, but it won't be because of the last three Archbishops of Canterbury but despite them...and that is the good news. The really sad news is that the one man who could have prevented all of this - Michael Nazir-Ali - was sidelined and that is something that is now too late to fix.

END

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Brett Meyer (Brett_meyer)
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Joe, when are the Keys to Retain Sins to be used if God forgave the whole world at the cross?
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Brett, I think that you need to read Dr. C.F.W. Walther's "The Proper Distinction Between Law and Gospel." Jon Buchholz answers this in his paper as well when he reminds us that Luther's scriptural doctrine of the two sides of Justification, i.e. Justification's acquisition and its application, are to be maintained. We do not believe that Christ's righteousness was applied or delivered at the cross or the empty tomb but that it is applied in the Gospel and Sacraments. db. Gregory Jackson should keep that in mind when he continually slanders us and our synods with the charge that we are Enthusiasts as the Schwaermerei of the 16th century. God does not deal with us in any other way than by Word and Sacrament, the Means of Grace. Lord, deliver us from the slanderer.
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Brett, until you are willing to stop convoluting what is subjective and what is objective, there is nothing to say anymore.
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Daniel Gorman: According to Rev. Rydecki, he was only required to confess the BOC

Also, when Rev. Rydecki became a member of WELS he agreed to abide by the WELS constitution.

On October 2, 2012, the WELS, in conformity to the WELS and District constitutions, suspended Rev. Rydecki from membership because it considered Rev. Rydecki's stated position on the doctrine of objective justification not congruent with Scripture, the BOC, and the position of WELS.
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Rev. David R. Boisclair: "Mr. Gorman, are you saying that WELS IS guilty of popery or that Rydecki alleges WELS guilty of popery?"

Rev. Rydecki accuses the WELS AZ-CA district president of popery: "So you admit that you were emboldened to break your word to my congregation by the support you received from the seminary faculty and from the COP. You have thus implicated them in your papistic attempt to establish new doctrine ex cathedra and to force your own made-up statements upon the pastors and congregations of the WELS on threat of suspension. One would think that those who bear the name of Luther would shun such behavior, but instead you have embraced it—to your shame and disgrace."

My opinion on alleged popery by the AZ-CA district president would be outside the scope of the topic "ELDONA rejects Objective Justification."
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Anyone, when are the Keys to Retain Sins to be used if God forgave/absolved the whole world at the cross? What sin can be retained that God already forgave?
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But Rydecki is being dishonest. He knows perfectly well that the WELS is not attempting to establish new doctrine. They are standing by what they have been teaching since long before Rydecki was born.
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Brett, the sins of the impenitent should be retained as long as they do not repent.
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Matthew 18:21-35
http://tinyurl.com/cfzml96

Brett, when did the king retain the debt of the unforgiving servant if the king already forgave/remitted that debt? What debt can be retained that the king already forgave?
Theology of the Cross:
http://DawningRealm.com 
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Mr. Mueller, thank you for your response. So if an unbelievers sins are retained while he remains an unbeliever, are you saying then that in the doctrine of UOJ God never really removed the sin when Christ paid for the whole worlds sins on the cross? Isn't the Christian who applies the Key to Retain Sin standing in the stead and on behalf of Christ? How is it that the doctrine of UOJ teaches that sins can be retained in an unbeliever but also teach the only way to create saving faith in the unbeliever is to tell him his sins are already forgiven/absolved?

It's equal to saying, "Dear unbeliever, you will die in your unrepented sins that I in God's stead retain and you will go to Hell for eternity if you don't believe that God declared you forgiven, absolved of all sin, righteous and worthy of eternal life before and even if you never believe."

Mr. Bickel, you answered my question with a question which makes it very hard to follow what you're trying to say.
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Brett, you are assuming that we who believe in the biblical doctrine of Objective Justification believe that it is a universal delivery of Justification regardless of faith. That is not what the Bible says nor is it what we believe. Forgiveness has been acquired by Christ's vicarious atonement. IN CHRIST God has reconciled the world to Himself (2 Cor 5:18-20); however, the whole world is not in Christ, only those whom the Holy Spirit regenerates through the means of grace. Hence, the person whose sins are retained is the person who has never come to faith or lost faith. This is the proper application of Law and Gospel. You should know that we teach that if someone does not trust in the universal objective justification that God has effected in Christ, delivered through the means of grace, that person does not benefit from this act of God's grace. While a human being is not able to come to faith, a human being can resist the Holy Spirit as He works in the means of grace. We certainly do not deny the Scripture passages like Mark 16:16: "he who believeth not shall be damned."

In effect what you are accusing us of is Universalism, which even Samuel Huber rejected. Even ELDoNA in their theses does not accuse us of that error, so neither should you, Brett.

One point should also be made: Christ said that the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, will convict the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment. Remember that He said, "Of sin, because they do not believe in me" (John 16:9). The only damning sin is unbelief since it rejects the forgiveness acquired by Jesus Christ. He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he who does not believe will be damned.
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Let's talk about analogies. Paul Rydecki in recent posts on his blog "Intrepid Lutherans" has come up with an analogy that he uses to oppose our doctrine of Objective Justification: suppose there were a mechanic who acquired engines to replace every engine on every car on earth, those who believe in universal objective justification would say that that would be the same as saying that the mechanic had actually replaced every engine on every car on earth. That would be tantamount to saying UNIVERSAL SUBJECTIVE JUSTIFICATION, which we do not say.

The installation of the engine would be the application and reception of the engine by the car owner that had the mechanic install it on his car, i.e. SUBJECTIVE JUSTIFICATION.

We who teach the biblical doctrine of Objective Justification would say that Objective Justification would be like the mechanic advertising over the whole world that he has free engines that he is willing to install on anyone's car which would be brought to him.

Luther made a simpler analogy: a king gives you a castle. Even if you do not receive and accept it does not mean that the king did not give it to you.

Gentlemen, the Bible teaches BOTH Objective/General Justification and Subjective/Individual Justification. We, in the synods that used to constitute the admirable and fondly remembered Synodical Conference, believe BOTH these biblical doctrines, and we strive to properly distinguish and proclaim them.
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Eph 1:4 "
even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him."

Even before sin came into the world, and before the fall of man, God's justification of sinful man was made just and available for the whole world. From Adam to the last person born, God redeeming work through Christ is for all people. He started it, He finishes it.
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Rev. Boisclair, I thought about your 7:16pm comment for quite some time. I will reject and contend against it because you establish a false object of the Holy Spirit's faith "trust in the universal objective justification". Nowhere in Scripture does God direct men to trust in anything but Christ alone. UOJ - "The forgiveness of sins that was won at the cross when Jesus canceled the debt of the whole world is the object of faith." Page 35, Buchholz, Jesus Canceled Your Debt
The trouble is that God never acquitted the unbelieving world as your gospel of UOJ teaches. God never viewed the unbelieving world as being in Christ since that is only a reality by the gracious gift of faith alone, worked through the means of grace. I read Buccholz' 2012 Jesus Canceled Your Debt essay again since you praised it so highly. I recommend everyone read it as it is a purely rationlistic exposition of the new gospel of UOJ and leads the reader through rational gymnastics, subjecting God's Word to human conditions, in order to establish a new way to righteousness before God and a false object of faith. The rationalistic quote I provided in an above comment is just the tip of the iceberg - so to speak.

Another issue is the teaching that God has established multiple realities. Realities in which God declares the unbelieving world acquitted of sin, absolved of all sin and righteous - but they aren't until they believe they are. One reality in which God views the world in Christ and another outside of Christ - referring to believers and unbelievers in each instance. One reality in which God has removed all sin from the unbelieving world and another in which the unbelievers sins are retained because they don't believe the sins were removed. And the list goes on...

UOJ has replaced Christ's Gospel with another false gospel. Galatians 1. Buchholz adequately defined UOJ's war against Christ's Gospel this way:
"A Lutheran pastor who is unwilling to say, “God has forgiven the world in Christ,” is not only refusing to acknowledge a truth that is expressed in the Lutheran Confessions, he is denying the heart of the gospel itself. If anyone is reluctant to say, “God acquitted the world in Christ when he raised Jesus from the dead,” he is turning away from the central truth of Scripture. If a pastor preaches or teaches, “Your sins are forgiven only if you have faith,” he is directing his hearers’ focus inward, horribly confusing law and gospel, and ultimately leaving his listeners in doubt. If he says, “Your sins are forgiven when you believe in Jesus,” he is undercutting the simple truth that forgiveness was effected by Jesus for all people as an accomplished fact before any of us living today were even born." Page 36, Buchholz, Jesus Canceled Your Debt
http://azcadistrict.com/sites/default/files/papers /Buchholz_2012-10.pdf

UOJ is proof that rationalism is a religion.

Preaching the Gospel.