Kudu Don - Who Hosts Drunken Ladies Spiritual Retreats Will Be the Speaker for Mark/Avoid Jeske's Men of His Word. Jeske's Groups Are Not on the DPs' Death Lists

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    Doebler, Rev Matthew D     East Asia Administrative Committee   01/12/2014
         Professor, Asia Lutheran Seminary

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    Kuske, Rev John D          Christ the Redeemer - Barre VT       12/29/2013

    Sausage Factory, '85: The Class the Stars Fell On - Steve Witte, 

Randy Hunter

Speaking of Steve Witte, a founder of Church and Chicanery - 

Classic Ichabod - Saturday, March 20, 2010






Here Comes Doebler Cottontail, 
Hoppin' Down Chicanery's Trail





 I told you DP Patterson would get rid of him so
The Donald could develop the richy-rich Round Rock suburb for himself.

Doebler got a $20,000 grant for this?



Source
Are WELS congregations in Texas so devoid of the Gospel that they need live bunnies and an Easter egg hunt to draw visitors?

Kudu Don Patterson did this last year, so I borrowed the bunny photo and replaced Dom Perignon's face with Doebler's.

WELS Church Lady says Doebler is confessional. If Doebler is a confessional Lutheran pastor, then Glaeske is a conservative DP.

For all you missionaries looking for a call, any call, and all the congregations and schools that are out of money - rent a bunny suit. The grant-givers love a touch of fleece.

I am sure the ELS and WELS boards of doctrine will jump on this like hobos on a hotdog.

Search Easter egg hunts in WELS.

Search Easter egg hunts in the LCMS.

Long-Time Actor - On the Televangelists Copied by WELS, LCMS

"I don't see no cat."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3112137/posts

I was on the professional stage for 30 years and I know theater when I see it. A large number of high profile TV or megachurch preachers are entertainers, not pastors or evangelists.

They hone their oratory skills and know how to rivet the listener's attention through voice inflection, emotional projection and other acting techniques. They are very good at what they do.

However, I am convinced that the ones who capture the imaginations of their listeners are often charlatans who do not believe a word of what they preach. A good salesman can sell anything and even an insincere religion is a powerful convincer.

These people will bear higher scrutiny when they stand before God Almighty. They are either complete nonbelievers or utterly self-deluded. Either way, they are false to the core and more concerned about mammon than God.

Evangelicals would be better served to find a small church with a devoutly sincere pastor who will shepherd them according to Biblical principles. He (it should be a man - beware of woman pastors) should speak to congregation in a steady and genuine manner without shouting, hectoring and storming about the stage. Jesus only seems to have yelled when he was angry such as when he cleared the temple with a whip of cords or upbraided the falsely pious Pharisees.

More discipleship and Christian growth is achieved in one small group Bible study than ten Sunday services.

If the pastor doesn't know your name, you don't have a pastor. 

Former Fuller Student Rebukes Favorite Seminary of Bivens, Olson, and Valleskey - Not to Mention LCMS, WELS, ELS, CLC sic, and ELCA

Rebuke Letter Against Fuller Theological Seminary





Currently Reading:

Reason We Believe: 50 Lines of Evidence that Confirm the Christian Faith

by Nathan Busenitz

Category: Theology / Apologetics

Crossway, 2008









For some who are wondering why I no longer go to Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, I have decided to share a letter that I wrote to the President, Dean, and staff of Fuller just a month ago. This letter may come as a shock to some, and maybe not so shocking to others, but I feel that it is imperative that people know what is going on in that school. Those who are thinking about going to seminary or know anybody who is, please take the time to read this letter, because I believe you will find it to be very helpful and informative, especially if you truly love the Bible and are adamant about seeking after truth.

Here it is:

















My name is Steve Cha, and I was a student who was in the MAT graduate program. I have recently left Fuller Theological Seminary after studying one year with the school. I felt burdened to share with you why I decided to leave Fuller after much contemplation. This will not be easy for me to say, but I feel that I need to do it for the sake of God’s honor and for the future of the school.

Over the course of the year (from Spring 2011-Spring 2012), I have had an uncomfortable and unsatisfying experience at Fuller because of its teaching, which, quite frankly, borders on heresy. I’m not talking about peripheral biblical issues like charismatic spiritual gifts or modes of baptism, but the core, foundational doctrines that all Christians should agree on, as established by the New Testament and illustrated by the 16th Century Reformation.

During my five quarters at Fuller, I have had professors who defied the trustworthiness of Scripture, questioned the literalness and existence of eternal hell/lake of fire, taught a form of theistic evolution over the six-day creation account established in the book of Genesis, hinted that Jesus may not be the only way to heaven, and shaped the gospel message and Jesus’ work on Calvary to make it fit the paradigm of a cultural mandate and social justice type of message instead of the orthodox view of what the gospel and the cross means, which is God’s punishment of sinners with eternal hell, Jesus’ sacrifice and atonement to satisfy God’s justice and wrath, Jesus’ imputed righteousness, salvation by faith in Christ alone, etc.

I have many examples and stories to share, but I’ll start with some of the key ones. It first started when I took the NT Gospels class with Professor Tommy Givens. Professor Givens taught a skewed understanding of the gospel message. In general, he taught an unorthodox view of what Jesus did on the cross, and had an unbiblical view regarding heaven, hell, and the afterlife (which he didn’t really believe in). In addition, the eschatological view Professor Givens taught is not what the Bible teaches regarding the future and Jesus’ Second Coming. Givens interpreted Matthew 24 (the “signs of His coming”) to be merely pointing to the destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70 and God’s judgment on the Pharisaic Jews, when the language of the text and its worldwide scope clearly show that it is talking about the final generation before Jesus’ Second Coming to earth. My big issue, however, is not with the professor’s eschatology error.

The real dangerous issue that came about was that Professor Givens defied a central pillar of Christianity by declaring that he did not believe that there was a place of individual eternal torment that unbelievers go to after they die. In essence, he didn’t believe in hell! He believed that people go out of existence when they die (which is exactly what the WatchTower teaches) and that the lake of fire in Revelation 20: 11-15 was symbolic and figurative! Furthermore, Givens made an unproven claim that the place of “outer darkness” that Jesus talked about in the Gospels was really God’s judgment that came upon the Pharisees duringRome’s destruction of theTempleand the Jewish people in A.D. 70 and didn’t apply to us today. This is clearly unbiblical and indicative of poor hermeneutical training, since the Bible shows that the references to outer darkness, place of weeping and gnashing of teeth, and fiery furnace is the reference to eternal hell, not to some temporal earthly judgment of the past, with no real relevance today.

So why doesn’t Professor Givens believe in the traditional view of hell? It is because he implied that he cannot imagine a “loving God who can torment people in hell forever” (which is exactly what Rob Bell believes), and Professor Givens made another speculative claim that the orthodox idea of hell was based on Greek mythology and had no basis from the Old Testament.

Tommy Givens even stated in class that mainstream evangelical preachers and theologians, such as John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul, Greg Laurie, and David Jeremiah were all wrong in their view of eschatology and to some degree the gospel message and the Christian life!

Because Given’s view of hell was a serious heresy that tampered with the foundational doctrines of Christianity, I reported Given’s unorthodox views of “the afterlife” to the student affairs office, and the office told me that they would take care of this issue. I don’t know what ever came about with the school’s dealings with Professor Givens, but I must say that if he has not repented of his view and continues to teach what he does in class, Fuller Seminary is obligated by the command of Scripture to deal with such a professor and dismiss him from the faculty until he repents. I say this not to hurt or defame Professor Givens, but in with a strong desire to see Givens restored to the truth.

I seriously pray that Professor Givens is not a wolf-in-sheep’s clothing. If his view of the afterlife is like that of Jehovah’s Witnesses and mainstream Judaism, then he is most likely following another gospel and another Jesus, and he must not ever be in a position to teach other students who can be easily misled, even if the school is post-conservative evangelical. If his students listen to his false teaching, then they will also teach the wrong things to other in the future and needlessly incur God’s divine chastening.

There are numerous other aberrant doctrines and teachings I can point out from other classes, but I want to say that my decision to leave Fuller was finally cemented after taking Systematic Theology I with Professor Margaret Shuster. For the first few weeks, it seemed as if Shuster were teaching nearly everything correctly, until she got to the issue of anthropology and the six-day creation account. She did not honor what God stated plainly in Genesis 1 about how He created the world. Instead, Professor Shuster bought into the error of the secular humanistic thought and taught a false, distorted, and illogical view of how the world came about, teaching a form of theistic evolution that nearly matches the views of atheist scientists. She even taught that Adam and Eve evolved from “Neanderthal species,” a view that is entirely unbiblical and based on speculative theory from the secular world.

I find her beliefs very disheartening and discouraging. Just the fact that evolution has done more damage than good to the morale and cause of Christianity during the last century (leading to ungodliness, atheism, and immorality throughout the world) already is an indication that the theory is suspect and has been one of Satan’s most powerful tools to cast doubt on the clarity and trustworthiness of Scripture, most specifically sections like Genesis 1-11, which is the foundation to the rest of Scripture.

Predictably, Professor Shuster’s teaching on theistic evolution confused and caused some heated debate in the classroom, and why wouldn’t it? Most of the students grew up believing that God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh (which is why the world runs on a seven day cycle, and why God instituted the Sabbath law forIsrael). Most importantly, these students believe in the simplicity, perspicuity, and integrity of God’s Word, which the unbelieving academic world seeks to demolish everyday with their anti-Christian theories and futile speculations.

What Shuster said next shocked me. She made this statement (which I hope is not true, but if it is, I am speechless): “What I am saying about creation and anthropology may seem shocking, but I am actually one of the more conservative teachers on staff. At least I am trying to give a historical place to Adam and Eve, whereas most other professors within Fuller don’t…”

If this statement is true, then I cannot, in good conscience, get my graduate degree from Fuller Theological Seminary, especially if this degree is going to represent me and my teachings for the rest of my life. Fuller may be a popular seminary name to have on a resume, but it is simply not worth it for me because Fuller is so theologically suspect. It is truly sad I had to make this decision and now take the time to write such a letter to you, considering I had hope for Fuller and my Christian education when I came to the orientation. I even read Fuller’s Statement of Faith that made it seem like it was solid in Christian foundational doctrines, when in fact it is not and is somewhat deceptive.

I understand Fuller’s desire to be as open as possible to students from many denominational backgrounds, but that simply cannot work because it ends up accommodating everyone’s views (even if they are wayward and unbiblical), and still offending some. It’s ironic that Fuller claims to be open and accommodating to all denominational backgrounds (even to Catholics and Seventh Day Adventists), but most of the professors and staff are anti-conservative evangelical.

Fuller’s evangelical teaching is so different than the orthodox teachings of many popular preachers, even on TV shows and radio stations, and is even at odds with one of Fuller’s most known graduates, John Piper. How does John Piper’s teaching square with what Fuller teaches currently? Even over the course of the my year at the school, I have examined the types of books I was assigned to read for class, and I noticed a pattern amongst almost all courses, in which books were written by Catholic priests like Gustavo Gutierrez and open theist writers like Clark Pinnock, yet Fuller never incorporates course books from conservative evangelical preachers who have boldly stood up for the integrity of God’s Word and get persecuted in the process, even by the liberal “evangelicals.” Most of the books I read from Fuller had a water-downed view of the gospel, oriented very specifically toward a social justice, liberation theology, feminist, and cultural mandate type of crowd, and should not have been the books assigned for the courses, especially if Fuller’s aim is to train students who will be faithful expositors and teachers of God’s word.

Because Fuller does not have a very high view of Scripture and opens up Bible books to many interpretations, it confuses students and makes them unsure of what to believe about the Bible or how to teach God’s Word for future ministry. Fuller seems to encourage and tolerate students who question key doctrines of the Christian faith, having them dabble over futile speculations, historical theories, and man-made traditions, all of which does incredible damage to the student’s sanctification and Fuller’s reputation.

It pains me to say this, but some of these students are so confused as to what they believe about their faith that they are not fit to be pastors once they graduate. I learned the truth of this when one of my Fuller classmates named David told me about a time when he was trying to obtain signatures from Fuller students to stop homosexual/gay agendas being pushed into public grade schools and their textbooks. David told me that most of the Fuller students refused to sign the petition because they didn’t know what to think about homosexual agendas and/or thought there was a better way to approach the situation.

In essence, they were okay with the homosexual agenda being legitimized and taught in public schools. Any soundly educated and regenerated Christian should know the answer to this dilemma, whether it is homosexuality or pedophilia, abortion, incest, bestiality, murder, or any other transgression of God’s law that would be taught and legitimized in a public forum. In fact, David told me that he was able to get more signatures at a local Albertson’s (from the unbelieving world) than from students at Fuller!

Do you find this terribly tragic?

In conclusion, my point in writing this letter is to bring awareness of what is going on at Fuller Theological Seminary and what needs to be corrected according to what Scripture says. I am not here to spread any hate messages or hurt anyone. I do not presume to be better than anyone in the school or presume to know everything there is to know about life. My aim is to simply confront and rebuke the position of my past instructors and of Fuller Theological Seminary based on what Scripture presents so that Fuller can be the school God desires it to be. Although Fuller is not quite as aberrant and liberal asPrincetonor Yale Seminary, it is clearly heading in that direction. And if Fuller Seminary persists and continues to go that route, then the Lord will have no choice but to remove its lampstand out of its place (Rev 2:5). I humbly ask that Fuller return to sound, biblical Christianity, especially if it wants to see more of God’s blessing poured out on the school and its students.

I have a feeling that some of the students and even staff members at Fuller are on that wide gate path that Jesus talks about in Matthew 7, and the fruit of their teachings pretty much affirms it. If Fuller Seminary is serious about the warning Jesus makes in his rebuke and eschatological judgment passage, as well as His repeated the authority of Scripture, then I pray that the school will immediately see to it that all necessary corrections are made, even if it shall be uncomfortable and inconvenient in the early stages. As much as we naturally want to be people-pleasers, our first priority is to be a God pleaser, even if it shall lead to persecution, insult, and death. The way is very narrow, but the ultimate end is rewarding.

Scripture mandates that, according to Jesus’ message about the 7 Churches in the book of Revelation, Christian organizations like Fuller Seminary return to orthodox, biblical Christianity so that it will not have to be subject to God’s discipline. I only desire to see God’s blessing and favor over Fuller, but this cannot happen if it continues to experiment and tolerate theories that are unbiblical and sometimes heretical. Remember that we will all stand before the Bema Seat Judgment one day (2 Corinthians 5), and our lives will be assessed based on how faithful we were in carrying out God’s word in this life.

How do you think Fuller Theological Seminary will do on that day? Be like the Bereans and read the Scriptures honestly, and you will know the answer. It’s not too late to change. Make the appropriate changes while there is still time.



Sincerely,



Steve

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The Confessional Lutherans Are Masters of Deception and Self-Deception

When my English students see me with a beautifully bound book, they ask,
"Is that Moby Dick?" I must mention that work fairly often in class.

One great passage in Moby Dick describes the mad prophet who bewitches a ship's crew with his ravings. The author points out that the deceiver deceives himself most of all.

The people who call themselves Confessional Lutherans are far worse than the objects of their conditional wrath. They deceive themselves most of all because they confess nothing.

Let me explain. Every so often there is a little outbreak of dissent. For instance, a few people suddenly discovered that Thrivent was pro-abortion, eager to match funds for the baby-killing machine called Planned Parenthood (one of the most ironic names since Confessional Lutheran).

They might have know a few years earlier if they had read this blog. No one reads it, so it must have registered 2500 page-views yesterday from me checking on the stats. OK - someone is reading it, but they are terrified of quoting or citing it, let Paul McCain - Confessional Lutheran - turn the slime hose on them.

They are Confessional until and unless someone threatens them. Sometimes they imagine the threat first, which is enough to silence them.

The Thrivent dust-up will last a few weeks. If someone persists with the truth, he is a fanatic or crazy or has some weird hang-ups. That will be suggested by the LCMS money-men. Finally, he will be told to silence himself or else.

Bribes also work. They are not conditional. No. It is just that certain opportunities come up just when someone starts to gain traction on an issue. The issue evaporates with a flimsy excuse.

Herman Otten publicly moaned about Thrivent grants until he got a fat one for Christian News. The last time I looked, his congregation was still part of the baby-killing business (granted - I looked about 20 years ago).

The editor of Lutheran Forum wanted the fraternal bribes investigated. I was well read on the topic, about 25 years ago. I offered to write the piece. Lutheran Forum got a fraternal grant and lost interest in the topic. They never responded to my query letter. But that was a co-inky-dink.

Recently, LutherQueasy and Steadfast Lutherans exposed the latest scandal involved DPs promoting sex offenders into the pastoral ministry. ELCA is not alone. Matt Harrison ordered "Steadfast" to erase all the evidence about Darwin Schauer - and they did.

As Henry of Navarre said, "The Kingdom of France is worth one mass." He was the great Protestant leader who came to Paris to claim his throne. They would not let him in until he joined the Church of Rome, so he converted with that quip. How many Protestants were slaughtered in the quest for religious freedom? No matter. He flipped sides for a crown.

Many of your Steadfast, Confessional, Intrepid Lutherans have done as much for far less reward than a kingdom.

A coveted committee assignment?
A call to Sweden or Japan?
Being taken off the official WELS leper list?
A seat on a synonical board?
A return to the ministerium?
A teaching job?
A position at the publishing house?

One Confessional Lutheran advised me, "Never fight a battle unless you can win." So he felt the only battle worth fighting was no battle at all. That sounds like a life full of tedious meetings and self-congratulations.

Another one said, "I was not getting anywhere, so why try anymore?" Of course, in the Age of Apostasy, which is predicted somewhere in the Bible - or maybe in Shakespeare - getting somewhere is like brooming back a high tide.

The only requirement is to be faithful stewards of the mysteries of God. That precludes our human, narcissistic, self-centered concept of winning. There is no compromise with God's Word.

According to Isaiah 55, God's Word always wins because His Holy Spirit never works apart from it, never returns void, and always prospers His will. That means the collapse of the Synod Conference and its Big Sister ELCA is promoted and accelerated by God's Word. Every idiotic convention and committee meeting that goes against the Word and the Confessions is additional lubricant for the apostasy machine.

The apostates become more obvious, the faithful become more alarmed. The Confessional Lutherans rush to serve as the next herd of Judas Goats, the ones who lead the sheep to the slaughter. After every council meeting, every voters meeting, every district and synodical debacle, they say - as Liz Eaton did after the 2009 convention vote - "Don't worry. Nothing has changed. Everything is fine. Only the crazies worry about what just happened. Holy Mother Synod will wipe away your tears and provide for you forever."

She and Mark Jeske rule over the Synodical Conference.