Saturday, February 2, 2008

Ignorance Enlivened by the Straw Man Fallacy



"I don't care what people say
UOJ is here to stay
Sound off, one, two..."


A. Nony Mousehas left a new comment on your post "No, No, Nanette":

No, Greg, you're wrong. UOJ IS the same as the Atonement. I think you're just trying to stir up more trouble. I feel really sorry for the poor folks who are led astray by you, and they lose the comfort of the Atonement-UOJ. On their deathbeds, they will stuggle as they look to their weak and trembling faith, rather than to Christ crucified and risen!

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GJ - First let me address the ignorance of Rev. A. Nony Mouse (WELS).

Here is a quotation from Robert Preus, when he still supported UOJ (and the Church Growth Movement). Both go together.

Cited by Jack Cascione, another UOJ Stormtrooper:

THE PRESIDENT’S MESSAGE – "OBJECTIVE JUSTIFICATION"

The doctrine of objective justification is a lovely teaching drawn from Scripture which tells us that God who has loved us so much that He gave His only to be our Savior has for the sake of Christ’s substitutionary atonement declared the entire world of sinners for whom Christ died to be righteous (Romans 5:17-19).

Objective justification which is God’s verdict of acquittal over the whole world is not identical with the atonement, it is not another way of expressing the fact that Christ has redeemed the world. Rather it is based upon the substitutionary work of Christ, or better, it is a part of the atonement itself. It is God’s response to all that Christ died to save us, God’s verdict that Christ’s work is finished, that He has been indeed reconciled, propitiated; His anger has been stilled and He is at peace with the world, and therefore He has declared the entire world in Christ to be righteous.


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GJ - I have gathered most of the material on this subject in Thy Strong Word. Those quotations have shown people the error of their thinking, which can only come from being carefully taught error in one of the synodical seminaries. As they often said at the Sausage Factory in Mequon, "Doctrinal error usually starts in the seminary faculty." No kidding. At least Robert Preus had the courage to repudiate his former position, which was tied to his Norwegian heritage.

The equation of UOJ and the Atonement is wrong, just plain ignorant. Dr. Preus confessed a common error in the passage above, taken directly from Walther's infamous Easter Absolution sermon: to wit - UOJ is God declaring the entire world righteous, forgiven, full of grace without the Means of Grace, enjoying the Promises of God without hearing the Promises of God, guilt-free without knowing what guilt is.

Thus endeth the lesson on ignorance.

The Straw Man fallacy. One sign of a weak argument is the use of a logical fallacy or even a string of them. The Straw Man fallacy is distinguished by the hothead saying, "This is what you claim and it is wrong."

Mouse's Straw Man is - "You direct people to have faith in their faith." That is a common canard (French for duck) from the UOJ troops. How they march in formation - always in the wrong direction.

No, Mouse. Justification by faith teaches people to trust in the redeeming work accomplished for them by Christ. The Go