Enthusiasm at Work at Rock and Roll

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Doctrinal Roadblocks to UOJ from the Formula of Co...":

Christ died so that all men could be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth. By Grace, through faith we are saved. If that Grace or Righteousness or whatever you want to call it does not exist before our conversion takes place, then where does it come from? It has to be there in the first place so that it is there to believe. We can't believe in something that is not there. It has nothing to do with piety. This kind of thinking skews into such heresy as predestination and once saved always saved and this is not the case.

Look at the thief on the cross with Jesus. He never partook of the means of grace and yet he went to heaven that day. It was Grace by faith alone that saved the thief that day which was given to him by God through Christ's death. Christ died for ALL!!!

JK
[probably Joe Krohn, member of Doebler's Rock and Roll Church, former member of Gunn's stealth church, CrossWalk Laveen, two beehives for Enthusiasts who "hate going to church."]

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GJ - JK would teach everyone on the Internet about the Bible, climb into heaven and convert the angels, if he could. However, I understand angels love going to church. Read Hebrews.

The thief was saved without the Means of Grace? There you have it, Ichabodians, a man who knows nothing and volunteers to join the teaching office of the Church.

The Word, visible and invisible, is the instrument (means) of God's grace. The visible Word consists of Holy Baptism and Holy Communion. The invisible Word consists of preaching and teaching the Word. Christ comes to us through the Word. His grace comes to us through the Word. The separation of the Holy Spirit from the Word is called Enthusiasm in the Book of Concord. Enthusiasm is repeatedly condemned in the Confessions as the foundation of all error.

Jesus spoke the Word to the thief, who displayed godly sorrow for his sins and faith in the Savior. Faith is necessary for salvation. Baptism is not absolutely necessary, but we should not despise it, as the Enthusiasts do. For example, Rock and Roll hides Holy Communion by having it celebrated before the service: stealth communion at a stealth congregation of the increasingly stealthy Wisconsin sect.

KJV Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh
better things than that of Abel.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Enthusiasm at Work at Rock and Roll":

Please stop with the melodramatics. I'm not trying to convert the internet or angels. I'm having enough trouble with you as it is. :)

We were in agreement until you started talking about some kind of separation of the Holy Spirit from the Word, if that were possible. You got that from what I said? Where? How?

You should answer my questions before twisting my words and assuming to know something with your condescension on which you are grossly mis-informed. (CTR) How convenient it is for you on your blog to sidestep the issue and questions put to you by expounding on trivial points that have no bearing on the big picture of the discussion. Shame on you.

Now, please answer the question.

DOES (sic) GRACE AND JUSTIFICATION EXIST BEFORE A PERSON BELIEVES?

A simple yes or no will suffice if that is possible.

JK

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GJ - Please study your Book of Concord, Joe Krohn, Rock and Roll theologian. Afterwards, read the blog sections on UOJ. No one is justified apart from faith. Atonement, reconciliation, propitiation, redemption (two different Greek words) - all express the truth that Christ died for the sins of the world.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Enthusiasm at Work at Rock and Roll":

Hold the phone, Joan!!!!

Baptism is not absolutely necessary for salvation? Did I read that correctly? (buzz, buzz...wrong answer)

I surmise that even the thief had a Baptism of the Spirit. Does this not preclude all faith? Is this not necessary?????

Be careful now....God is watching...

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GJ - I am not sure if this is Joe Krohn or not. If it is, he is really mixed up. If not, this is where the Church and Change diciples are going. Many of them are already there.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Enthusiasm at Work at Rock and Roll":

I should have known. I don't think there is a yes or no in your vocabulary. They are dangerous words, no?

I don't trust a book written by men(errant) to tell me what the Bible(inerrant) says or a blog section for that matter.

Jesus many times talks about the 'Water of Life' (His Word) as a washing agent. See Eph. 5:25-27.

Unless we are washed by water (Word) and Spirit we can not enter into eternal life.

Happy Reformation Day!

So where am I going?

JK